Another Botched Raid - Incident Report

An "isolated incident," of course.

This one's got it all. Terrified immigrants who don't speak English, a roughed-up pregnant woman, a man kicked in the groin, another woman with a heart condition, flashbang grenades, and assurances from the cops that this kind of thing happens "not very often." Fortunately no one was killed. Only terrified.

The police never contacted the landlord of the residence to verify. And when they raided the "right" address, the place was empty.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Hispanics make great citizens - they come ready with a fear of the law. Why not let 10s of millions of them in?

And those with ego - the men in particular and you see it when they drive - won't like being in fear.

They will make great cops and follow any orders.

It's what they were taught in their home countries--and what we're teaching our own citizens now.

Onward and upward,
airforce

We are just now learning the lessons of fearing corrupt officials and enforcement officers.

I lived in Brazil; the police there were feared more than the cartel leadership.

Flashbangs? Wow they went easy on them, they gave scott woodring's place two satchels taped together.

And Another One

New York City:

Cops in New York City are accused of wrongly breaking into a local man's home this month, holding him at gunpoint, then stealing $2,000 from a jacket.

The May 9 incident was a result of a raid in which the police officers were given faulty information, the New York Daily News reported Sunday.

"They didn't tell me what they were looking for or why they were here," said Alisaleh Moshad Ali, 50, the Yemeni immigrant whose house was broken into. "They just told me to get on the floor."

The police later apologized, after finding that they were at the wrong address. However, Ali and his wife, Leslie, 30, have not received any explanation for the $2,000 Ali says went missing from his jacket, which was in a closet.

Police argue Ali left the house for 30 minutes after the incident, leaving someone else the opportunity to steal the money since the door was reportedly broken.

The Daily News reported the police department has been receiving an increased number of complaints involving raids on the wrong homes.

The list just keeps growing.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Near Durango, Colorado:

Law-enforcement officers raided the wrong house and forced a 77-year-old La Plata County woman on oxygen to the ground last week in search of methamphetamine.

The raid occurred about 11 a.m. June 8, as Virginia Herrick was settling in to watch "The Price is Right." She heard a rustling outside her mobile home in Durango West I and looked out to see several men with gas masks and bulletproof vests, she said.

Herrick went to the back door to have a look.

"I thought there was a gas leak or something," she said.

But before reaching the door, La Plata County Sheriff's deputies shouted "search warrant, search warrant" and barged in with guns drawn, she said. They ordered Herrick to the ground and began searching the home.

"They didn't give me a chance to ask for a search warrant or see a search warrant or anything," she said in a phone interview Thursday. "I'm not about to argue with those big old guys, especially when they've got guns and those big old sledgehammers."

They'd been investigating the trailer next door for a month, but still managed to hit the wrong home.

Herrick's son, David Herrick, said investigators surveilled the neighbor's house before the raid, and it was extremely unprofessional to enter the wrong house.

"There is a big difference between 74 and 82," he said, referring to the house numbers.

What's more, Herrick doesn't understand why his 77-year-old mother was handcuffed.

"Why they thought it was necessary to handcuff her and put her on the floor I don't know," he said. "And then they had to ask her what the address was."

Onward and upward,
airforce

The "energizer" commercial comes to mind with these recurring "Keystone Cop" "incidents"......."They keep going & going & going" & etc., et cetera!

At this point I am wondering if the cops are doing this on purpose.

HA! On purpose? That's a good point DJ.

They may very well be PREPPING us for acceptance of the "storm trooper" mentality. You know, kickin in doors, guns to the heads, yelling, screaming, mis-treatment at the hands of oppressors, possible "accidental" deaths that get forgiven in the name of "it was all a terrible mistake", etc.

God help us if it is, in fact, on purpose. We're in for some deep doo-doo ahead!!

If they are, they're going about it with the typical government inefficiency. Municipalities are being sued, cops are losing their jobs and even going to prison, and "no-knock" raids have virtually come to a halt in Atlanta (where Kathryn Johnston was killed).

This is actually a pretty good argument against all those conspiracy theories I keep hearing about. If they can't even cover up a botched raid, it would be pretty hard to envision them pulling off a giant 9/11 conspiracy.

Onward and upward,
airforce

heh, except for one point. Its like the way the BATF handles paperwork...one or two errors can be covered up, but when there are thousands of them, eventually some will slip into the public eye. Eventually some people will take notice. Unfortunately its probably like the cockroach analogy. For every one we see, there are ten or twenty or one hundered that have gone off under our noses.

True. I honestly don't know how many of these we are missing. Many victims are simply too afraid of reprisals to complain.

And, I'm sure we're missing some ourselves. If you know of a raid gone bad, let Radley Balko or myself know about it.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This one in Louisiana:

THIBODAUX, La. -- Two Lafourche Parish Sheriff's Office narcotics agents burst into the wrong house during a raid in Galliano earlier this week and now face possible disciplinary action.

Sheriff Craig Webre classified the mistake as "very rare" and said the agents, Lt. Chet Caillouet and Deputy Robert Mason, likely used the wrong two-story house as a reference point.

Hundreds of search warrants are executed each year, Webre said. He said he recalled only two such mistakes in the past 15 years.

"If you're the person on the receiving end, one in 1,000 or one in 100,000 is too much," Webre said.

Mike Lefort said he was lying on his sofa when officers broke his screen door Monday night and announced, "Police! Police! Get down!"

"They were apologetic afterward," said Lefort, 61. "They realized they had made a mistake."

Lefort added his mother, Thelma Lefort, had a tough time overcoming the initial shock of the police entering her home. The 83-year-old's blood pressure rose, her son said.

The Sheriff's Office replaced the wooden screen door with a new one, said Lefort, who added that he is deciding whether to take legal action.

Webre said he plans to insert an extra layer of security to prevent similar mistakes: one person will prepare the warrant and a second person will verify it before it is executed.

No drugs. Just an 83-year-old woman and her son.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I blame all this on judges who rubber stamp warrants and provide no judicial oversignt. These stock warrants are signed, fired, and forgotten.

Yep. I sometimes wonder why they bother to have a judge "sign" the warrants at all.

Onward and upward,
airforce

i THINK THEY PHONE THEM IN!!

Many of them, they do. And, yes, I share your anger. If it is a life or death situation, no warrant is required anyway; I see very little reason for telephonic search warrants.

Onward and upward,
airforce

They use them as a matter of routine in DUI enforcement.They need concent or a warrant to draw blood for BAC evidence.

Weapons "cache" discovered and reported by snooping maintenance man.

The guns were legal but seized anyway. Child porn charges pending.

I'm convinced that "child pornography" charges are the modern day version of the old "throw down piece." They realized they were in the wrong and "threw down" the child porn charges to make it appear as though there was in fact justification for their actions.

I know child porn is a problem and it's traffickers deserve the most severe penalty possible, but the JBTs way over use it to stir up public opinion against someone they are out to get.

McMedic, You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly the way they are using "child porn."

Cajun, you've got that one pegged! It's the "HOT BUTTON" "RIGHTEOUS" issue that garrantees SERIOUS scrutiny.

And, LIKELY, you're right on the "THEY REALIZED THEY WERE WRONG ..."

Very likely! (You know, it's awfully expensive to get ALL of those high quality firearms...why not just "AQUIRE" them, thru FORFITURE ... hmmmmm?

The scary thing is, with all the spammers around, it's hard to find a computer that doesn't have child porn on it somewhere.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Makes you wonder if the JBTs aren't doing a little preemptive "seeding." Disseminate that crap to any and everyone and it's there when they need it. A pre-placed "safety net" if you will.

There are a lot of old tricks out there to put images on a computer that won't show up on a browser.

Java .jar files can contain images and even if the image is not used it can be renamed to .zip and unpacked by anyone and pictures extracted. This is why those java programs that require you to allow the applet to download a .jar file locally (some do that), should only come from a trusted source.

The "height=0 width=0" HTML tag is another one. That used to be done with HTML email programs years ago when you wanted to see of someone opens an email you send to them. It works more on a CGI script approach that drives a counter, like those hit counters you see on web pages. On the other end they can tell if you actually opened the email or not, and you never see a picture but that picture can be cached in the computer, like every image you see. Spammers use this technique to see if the email they are spamming is active or not. This is why opening spam mail is like opening a flood gate.

Another possible trick, though I have not seen done actively, is to use the alpha portion of a .png or similar image file format where each BIT of the image has an additional element to it that can form the array for an entire different image. Kind of like "invisible ink".


By the way, do not leave any firearms out for maintenence men to see. People get off on calling the state, it makes them feel important to rat on somebody. Especially where guns are involved and the person who finds them is among the indoctrinated who thinks that everybody who has them is a terrorist. If there is no room in the cache then just leave out the bolt-actions.

Sounds like everyone should have a thermite charge on top of their Hard Drive even if they don't think they have anything to hide, just in case.

Better idea. Rigg the front part of the house and when they kick in the door, let them wear the whole front side of the house. They'll get the picture real quick!!

What really pisses me off, is that if someone fought back to save their own lives, that person would later be put to death for being a "cop killer".

The mentality they eventually want us all to have is this...
They want it so that one day, cops can randomly knock on a persons door, demand they hand over their teenage girl for forced "entertainment" and "morale boosting", and have a submissive population that would be willing to do so.

Anyone who resists, would be widely ridiculed as "un-patriotic" and "against the troops!" and an evil "Subversive"...

One time I mentioned a botched raid to someone before, and how horrible it was what they did to the occupants of the home. And of course, the person said "Well you werent there, you cant judge them for what they did. You dont know if it was necessary "

OF course, if the guy had SHOT THEM all to death, thinking they were criminals, that same consideration wouldnt be given....

The mindset they want, is they want a population that sees itself as slaves, that sees government police, soldiers, and agents as a kind of demi-god, and anyone who resists as "evil", "ungodly","anti-social" insurgents and "Terrorists"

Three days after her name appeared in a Chicago Sun Times report about police harassment of residents in her public housing facility, a narcotics team raided the home of 63-year-old grandmother Carol Wallace.

Carol Wallace, a 63-year-old grandmother, has no criminal record and said she has never had any run-ins with the police in her 10 years at the Dearborn Homes public housing complex. She accused the police of trying to silence her.

"They did this just to harass me," Wallace said. "My nerves are shot, and I'm afraid. I feel like I've been violated."

[...]

Wallace said about six of the officers dumped clothes from a dresser and closet on her bed and floor and rifled through her medications. Police also told a friend at the apartment that visitors weren't allowed, she said.

It may have been another case of a wrong-door raid, rather than retaliation. The description of the suspect in the warrant seems to fit one of Wallace's neighbors.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I think high on my priorty list would be to whip the maintenance man's ass.

PatriotAr15-
U know they WILL label anyone who defends themselves against BLUE Nazi's as "cop-killers".

Two realities we NEED to remember.
ONE: Cops are "Blue Knights" to the citizenry, therefore permanent hero types

TWO: Fellow cops kill [so-called] cop killers no matter what the reason their comrade was killed.

It's pretty much us against them now. That IS REALITY on any given day, infraction, etc.

you have it right AP2, cops figure that they have the right to kill citizens by mistake or because they felt threatened by that cell phone he was holding, but defend your self from a trigger happy cop and they will try to make you pay... They do not want you to go to trial... you just might get off..

The internet started as a DARPA project and porn is the number one industry on the net. I am sure they can seed what ever they want.

From Jasper, Texas:

According to the amended lawsuit, the officers had obtained a search warrant on Sept. 28, 2006 to enter a residence at 126 Circle Drive in Brookeland. The Hunts reside in a mobile home located at 940 Church Street in Brookeland.

[...]

The lawsuit alleges that Hunter, Tomplain, Noyola, Poindexter, Erimias, Coulter, Payne and Hall "broke in the door and trashed the house. They kicked in two doors, tore up three lamps and tore down the gate coming into the house.

Officers confronted the Hunts at the rear door of the home and ordered them down at gunpoint, according to the lawsuit.

"All the defendants left the house after they terrorized both plaintiffs and trashed the premises when defendant Hunter belatedly told everybody that they were in the wrong house," the lawsuit states.

Officials could not comment on the lawsuit.

Note too that this happened in September of last year, and wasn't reported. Were it not for the lawsuit, we'd never have known this had happened. How many other people have had this happened to them, but were too frightened or scared to go the media, were ignored by the local media, or couldn't find a lawyer to bring a lawsuit?

Onward and upward,
airforce

Here's another one we missed the first time around.

“The lady (SWAT officer) says ‘Mother F-----, I said get down or I’ll blow your f------ brains out,’” Roach said. “We were just blown away. We didn’t know what was happening, it happened so fast.”

Court documents showed police were acting on a tip from an informant that crack cocaine was being sold from Roach’s address at the time, 1773 Wilson Avenue.

A search warrant listing that address was executed and, afterward, Roach said a SWAT team pointed guns at his family, including six children ages one to 16. Then police discovered the informant had given the wrong information.

The raid happened in December 2004. It's in the news because the family's lawsuit was just thrown out of court on qualified immunity grounds.

“It is fundamentally under Kentucky law that the power to exercise an honest discretion necessarily includes a power to make an honest mistake in judgement,” the judgment read.

Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney William O’Brien said the judgment exonerates the city from any liability and that it’s a balancing act of society’s needs.

So what incentive is there to not take shortcuts, and make sure the informant knows what he's talking about next time?

Folks, we need your help. We honestly don't know how many of these "isolated incidents" we're missing, because we don't hear about them. If you hear of one of these incidents in your area, please email me at billyroberts@pccompsoft.net with as much information as you can, including any local news stories (if any).

We are making headway on this, but we need to keep the pressure on.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Two more to report. First, in Temecula, California:

While Williams said he could not discuss specifics, he did confirm that a raid conducted by the Street Enforcement Team last week ---- which ended up at the wrong Temecula house ---- is part of the administrative investigation.

[...]

Williams said he believes the team was supposed to be raiding a parolee's home Aug. 24 when they inadvertently hit the wrong door.

Officers ended up at the home of David and Lillian Scott, just off Rancho California Road.

Lillian Scott said she and her husband were in the living room discussing family plans, their 15-year-old daughter was in the garage with two friends and their 16-year-old son was in another room feeding the Scotts' 5-month-old baby.

That all changed at 9:35 p.m. she said, when Temecula police officers ---- four or five, she's not sure ----- carrying rifles charged though the unlocked front screen door and ordered the couple to the floor.

"Two of them came over and put handcuffs on the two of us," Lillian Scott said. "We asked what we had done wrong and didn't get an answer."

Elsewhere in the house other officers handcuffed their daughter and her two friends.

"(The officers) told them to get down on the f---ing floor," she said.

Her 16-year-old son, who was feeding the baby, was also ordered to the floor and handcuffed, Scott said.

From the other room, Scott heard her infant crying.

"I asked if my baby was OK and the officer told me if I moved he was going to put a bullet in my head," Scott said.

The officers apparently figured out they'd hit the wrong home when they'd cleared the second floor, then realized they were only supposed to be in a one-story home, something you'd think they might have verified before tearing down the front door. Here, at least, the city has been apologetic, and is talking about making a settlement offer to the family.

The second comes from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania:

The door had to be repaired this morning after police reportedly rammed it during a raid on Norma Saunders South Philadelphia home Friday night. Her bedrooms were ransacked, drawers overturned and kitchen cupboards emptied onto the floor. According to a search warrant, police were looking for drugs and weapons.

Away for a family reunion at the time, Saunders returned when her alarm company called. When she returned she found the security system was ripped from the wall.

Norma tells Action News, "When I came home my neighbors ran up to me and said, 'Norma they had the wrong house. We tried to tell them they had the wrong house.'"

"This has never been a drug house. We've never had a problem with this home at all. So this I knew this had to be a major mistake," said Reverend Tobin Young.

Neighbors say police simultaneously raided another house on the block and placed several people in handcuffs.

68-year-old Saunders, a great-grandparent and retired veterans hospital nurse with heart problems, contends she has no dealings with drugs, nor does her 50-year-old son who works security at Abington Hospital while pursuing a college degree in computer science.

At least they weren't home to experience the violence in person. And the War on Drugs continues...

Onward and upward,
airforce

if they are that stupid then I can worry less.

I wonder if this family sits around the radio and TV for the O'HannityBuagh dosage and clamors for more police state?

Or was up to that point.

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How much more of this bull$hit are people going to take? What they need to do is go to the head cops house and do the same thing to him. Cuss him and his wife like a dog, slap her around, take him outside and beat the living hell out of him and go home after they ransack his house! I can't believe this crap???????????? Oh, and just for an encore, leave his car upside down in the front yard!!

Hope the settlement is in like 8-12 figures.

The stress, the stress....

Except that the LEOs are exempt from personal responsiblity because they typically work for a an incorporated municipality, and thus who ultimately foots the bill for malicious or incompetent police activity?

We the People!

"The officers apparently figured out they'd hit the wrong home when they'd cleared the second floor''

i would think that if there going to be alowed to carrie guns. they should be smart enough to stand out side of a house and be able to tell if its a two storie house.

this is crap. I train guys that do this---and there smart enough to tell you which way the door is going to open in the next room---memeroize the floor plan, every time I see something like this---how stupid do they think the public is. Its all BS.Has any one heard of intel. They knew what they were doing!!!
its something you get before you go to a raid.

Makes you wonder if they pissed off someone on the PD...
Every single one of those officers should be up on charges as well as the schmuck in charge of the op.

They are lucky they didn't get freaking pasted by someone who actually DOES keep weapons in their home for self defense. One of these days they are going to knock down the wrong damn door and they are going to die. Law of averages catches up with everyone.

Not exactly a botched raid, but another great example of Justice Scalia's "new professionalism in law enforcement."

An undercover cop's use of a stolen gift card was caught on a security camera and recorded in store receipts, and he admitted it in statements to investigators.

But after more than two full days of deliberation, an Oakland Circuit Court jury returned a not guilty verdict in the case of Richard Craze in Judge Colleen O'Brien's courtroom. He had faced up to five years in prison if convicted.

The 12-year Madison Heights Police veteran was charged with larceny in a building in the theft of a $125 Home Depot gift card he picked up during a Pontiac drug raid in March. He was assigned to the Oakland County Narcotics Enforcement Team (NET) task force at the time.

"We hoped the jury would weigh all of the evidence," assistant Oakland County Prosecuting Attorney Paul Walton said outside the courtroom. "But you can never predict an outcome

"You might have one person who, for whatever reason, just has trouble with convicting a police officer with a crime, regardless of your evidence. Here we apparently had two."

The quote from his attorney is bizarre. After reading it, I felt like one of us was living in the twilight zone:

"The card didn't have someone's name on it or an amount on it," said Rickel. "He wasn't trying to deprive anyone of anything. He picked it up, and when he went to the store he used it. The jury agreed that intent to steal from the homeowner was never established."

He will now sue to get his job back. I will withhold further comment, since this is a family forum.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I just reviewed the two pages of this post, & they contain TEN, (10) substantiated cases of misapropriation of authority, violent house invasion, lethal threating with a loaded weapon, with intent to kill, and ransaking, child abuse, & tresspassing...(to name just the most egregious offenses)...ALL carried out under the "COLOR OF LAW" (which, in & of itself is against the LAW)!

WHY don't people get enraged...say something...SPEAK OUT? SIMPLE!

Because, first of all, in ALMOST every case, the event only occured in ONE Town, ONCE. So, to the involved, it was easy to "let the LEO's 'off the hook', since they only made one mistake"...apparently. BUT! IF all ten of these cases were published (along with the dozens of cases dear Airforce HASN'T found), then the story would begin to expose a PATTERN...not good for P.R., you know!

And, then there's the reality that NO ONE WANTS to prosecute the "HARD WORKING POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE ENDANGERING THEIR LIVES DAILY, JUST TO PROTECT US! HOW UNGRATEFUL IT WOULD BE!"

Of COURSE, (as DICKWOLF) points out...there is that little, ittsy bitsey tiny wennie point about TRAINING...TAC PLANING...ACTION DRILLS prior...ect. In OTHER WORDS:

IF these PUBLIC DEFENDERS were, in fact, properly trained & constrained by PRACTICED DRILLS, none of these TEN EVENTS (and countless others), would have even occured.

Take, for instance, take the L.A. SWATT: Out of the HUNDREDS of "events" & "dynamic entries" that they've been involved in, I know of NOT ONE that was at EITHER the WRONG ADDRESS, or TIME or arrested the wrong "perp"!

WHY? Because the L.A. SWATT is a SERIOUSLY DEDICATED GROUP OF SERIOUSLY FOCUSED individuals that ARE DOING THEIR JOB right reasons! AND, THEREFORE, THEY DO IT WITH THE RIGHT TYPES OF TRAINING!........ PERIOD! ....END OF RANT!

For some reason, the story about a 2004 botched Maricopa County, Arizona SWAT team raid--in which the SWAT team burned down a house, killed a puppy, smashed a neighbor's car when they lost control of their SWAT military vehicle, and arrested one guy for outstanding traffic tickets--has been making its way around the Internet again. Radley Balko mentioned the raid in his piece for reason about how the SWAT team always kills the dog.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, remember, is the self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America." He was one of the first to acquire the tank-ish vehicle for his SWAT team, so it's only fair to point out that his boys lost control of the thing, and damned-near killed a bystander and her daughter.

In any case, in a Boing Boing thread on the story, one commenter links to a police discussion board thread about the raid. The headline?

Liberal news media slams Maricopa County Sheriff's Department....just wow

The thread then goes on to bash the reporter for daring to tell the story about how the SWAT team burned a home to the ground, totaled a car, and chased a puppy into a burning building to perish. No criticism at all for the bungling cops, mind you.

Some people just don't get it.

Onward and upward,
airforce

They will get it someday.

Yeah. Not in my county, it's gonna stop someday... I heard about that.

So, they chase puppies into a burning building. Next we'll find out that they eat babies and burn ants with a magnifying glass and cut in line.

Yes.

They also order sushi and not pay.

Another wrong house:

A West Philadelphia family says they were terrorized in their own home Sunday night and blame the Philadelphia Police Department. The Narcotics Division was conducting an undercover operation, responding to complaints of drug deals happening on a home on the 5400 block of Summer Street.

"The officers responded to the wrong home," said Inspector Aaron Horne, commanding officer of the Narcotics Division. "They made a forced entry. Once inside they were alerted to the fact it was the wrong residence."

The police department spouted the usual line about how this almost never happens. Except that it's the second incident in Philly this month. Also, this isn't particularly comforting:

In this case, he says surveillance officers didn't give an address of the home they were targetting.

"They gave a physical description, house with a black storm door, in front of the residence was a pick up truck. Unfortunately there was a house 5 doors away that had a black storm door with pick up in front. The officers didn't have time to determine which house was which," said Inspector Horne.

So instead, they just took their chances, knowing there was a 50-50 shot they would end up terrorizing innocent people?

Some real professionalism, there.

Inspector Horne said "On behalf of the Philadelphia Police Department and the Narcotics Strike Force, I'm totally willing to apologize for the efforts, the mistake. The overall intent was to eradicate drugs from the neighborhood."

Oh, well if that's the intent, I guess it's all okay, then. What's a terrorized family or two if it prevents Philadelphians from getting high; if—as I'm sure is the case now that the raids are complete—that neighborhood is now 100 percent drug-free?

Onward and upward,
airforce

Then when they shoot some citizen, who they startled awake at 3 in the morning, because he grab for his home defense weapon, they say OOPs but he did have a gun...

Another one, this time from northern California:

A Mill Valley couple, claiming a drug raid at their home was "shocking, traumatizing and improperly conducted," filed a lawsuit in federal court Thursday against federal drug agents and a Petaluma police officer.

Carl Keane and Chieko Strange say they were rousted from their Ferndale Avenue home last December by federal agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration, accompanied by Petaluma police and deputies from the Marin County Sheriff's Office.

No drugs were found in the search, but Keane was arrested on suspicion of felony drug trafficking; Sonoma County prosecutors dropped charges against Keane in March.

The civil lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for Northern California, claims conduct of federal agents Seth McMullen and John Silva and Petaluma police Officer Paul Accornero violated the couple's constitutional rights.

Keane and Strange's attorney, Michael Coffino of San Francisco, said the civil rights action was "based on the incidents that led to the arrest and (property) search."

Coffino said compensation was being sought for property damage as well as "for what this has done to their lives, which has been incredibly disruptive."

Authorities "shouldn't have been there in the first place," he said.

Keane declined to comment.

Drug Enforcement Administration spokeswoman Casey McEnry, who noted she had not reviewed the lawsuit, declined to comment on specifics, saying the agency "would let judicial proceedings take their course."

Onward and upward,
airforce

I have a simple question. What is going to happen when they hit the wrong house and some one hoses them down with a 7.62?

The answer is simple too, the JBT's die from 7.62 rounds then the rest of them lie and comit another massacre like Waco. No more no knock warrents should be allowed.

The answer is to not use SWAT teams to enforce nonviolent, consensual crimes. Better yet, make nonviolent consensual crimes not crimes, and end the problem altogether.

It is not a perfect world, there are some very dangerous people around, and there is a place for SWAT. But they should be used very, very rarely.

Onward and upward,
airforce

SWAT should only be used as a last resort. Uniformed police with a legitimate warrent in hand should always knock on the door first. Anyone wearing a ski-mask and breaking down a door without knocking first could be shot.

Check this action out: http://www.ohio.edu/outlook/07-08/September/53n.cfm

Or http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/UPDATES01/70923003


I ask, what does a self-proclaimed rural college campus need a SWAT team for?

Because SWAT is cool, man. It's so much cooler than writing parking tickets.

Wyrm, you'll find the simple answer in that first sentence....sadly, but REALLY!

The idea that such HIGHLY TRAINED (that's a matter of opinion, BTW!) "SPECIAL OPS" personnel will enhance the Dept.'s capabilities is SOLEY BASED UPON LEGEND...rather than research!

God DAMN'EM! Their gonna' get someone killed, just to show how "CAPABLE" they are!

zeroedin, I guess it was more of a rhetorical question on my part. Really, there is no good answer, because honestly, there's no good reason to have a friggin SWAT team on a COLLEGE CAMPUS, especially a self-proclaimed 'rural campus'.

They want to get in on having their own JBTs instead of waiting for USGov to assign some "Blackwater" types to them untill they can fill the slot.

More on the raid in Petaluma:

The suit filed by Carl Keane and his girlfriend, Chieko Strange, of Mill Valley, names as defendants Petaluma Police Officer Paul Acconero and DEA agents Seth McMullen and John Silva.

The lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages, is meant to "redress one of the worst nightmares of any law-abiding citizen," the couple said in their filing.

The three defendants were among a group of DEA agents who burst into the couple's home Dec. 19 using a search warrant signed by a Sonoma County judge for an investigation of a cross-country shipment of six pounds of marijuana.

No drugs, drug residue, money or weapons were found during the search of Keane's house.

Strange, 63, said in the suit that a DEA agent held her down with a boot on her head as agents stormed through the house yelling, "Where are your weapons?" and "You know why we're here."

An Orwell quote seems appropriate here.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever."

He wasn't far off--we're up to about 40,000 times per year in this country. All so places like Petaluma can be spared from scourges like six pounds of marijuana.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Airforce-
Thanks loads, brother, for being like a pit bull on these incidents of StormTrooper" mentality!!

They are growing exponentially. It's sickening! I am all for giving LEOs respect when deserved. But when guys like this continue to break the law and violate citizens Constitutional rights, they deserve, well, read my mind!

Keep up the great detective work. We NEED to be constantly reminded about this crap so it'll settle in REAL GOOD what & who we are up against!!!

KUDOS, Bro.

Thanks, but Mr. Radley Balko deserves the credit. I just help out a little.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Airforce, I realize this is NOT a "botched raid" but I felt it appropriate for this discussion forum! MUST SEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

YouTube Video here.

Warning:
This video is graphic and WILL make you queezy after seeing the blatant disregard for human life a "PIG" has for a U.S. Veteran.

If you listen closely, you can hear the VET (seated on the ground) telling off the cop by making remarks such as "I've been in real war" and such. The cop asks him (ASKS him mind you) to "Get up" and when the man complies, he's shot to death!

Absolutely SICKENING!!

We ARE under TYRANNY and DICTATORSHIP!! WAKE UP, people!!!


Benjamin Franklin said;
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Thomas Jefferson said;
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press."

Thanks, A.Patriot2. I'll pass this along to Mr. Balko. Believe me, we need all the help we can get in finding these cases of police abuse and misconduct.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Addendum to the shooting story:
The person shot was not, repeat NOT killed. He survived. Shots were to leg, shoulder and chest I believe.

The cops been fired. The victim is suing the police department AND the cop personally.

That's a relief. I thank God he survived that incident! But what a bummer of a night he had - eh?

When tasering is not enough:

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article1.cfm?issue=09-25-07&storyID=28068

Keep 'en coming, folks!

I was witness to one incident where a taser had no effect on the subject. A man--clearly out of his mind--walked into the emergency room with a pistol tucked into his waistband, announcing he was God, and was going to take revenge for 9/11. Security officers evacuated the waiting room while the police were coming.

When police arrived, they ordered the man to lie on the ground. he said nothing, and continued to stand--apparently in a catatonic state.

After some discussion, we determined that the taser was probably the best less-lethal option we had.

He was tasered three times. Each time, his head would jerk up a little bit, then he would go back to his previous posture, standing with his chin on his chest, almost appearing asleep. and that was with enough juice to put an elephant on his knees.

It was finally decided that he was probably not faking his catatonic fugue. two officers rushed and tackled him and disarmed him. eventually, he was transferred to a different hospital.

I was amazed. If I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't have believed it. I'm pretty big, and when I was tasered in training, every muscle in my body went numb.

Onward and upward,
airforce



Onward and upward,
airforce

Being that these cops tackled him and disarmed him is what i call a REAL cop. They were not jackbooted thugs. A jackbooted thug would have just shot him 30 or 40 times and hollerd for more ammo. My hat's off to these guys!!

It still wasn't without risk, both to the officers and to the deranged man. Sometimes your options for ending a situation peacefully are pretty limited, and this was one of those times. We just couldn't think of anything better.

Onward and upward,
airforce

By MIKE ROBINSON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
September 30, 2007 6:04 PM EDT

CHICAGO - Videotapes of angry officers savagely beating civilians and charges that a murder plot was hatched within an elite special operations unit have Chicago's troubled police department reeling again.

Adding to the department's woes is word from federal prosecutors that they are investigating claims that homicide detectives tortured suspects into confessing to murders that landed them on death row in the 1980s.

Not since club-swinging cops in baby-blue helmets chased demonstrators through clouds of pepper gas at the 1968 Democratic National Convention have Chicago police been so awash in trouble.
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The biggest shock came Wednesday when federal prosecutors charged special operations officer Jerome Finnigan with planning the murder of another member of the unit to keep him from talking to the government.

"This kind of stuff on Page One is just horrible," and reinforces a misleading stereotype of police, said Roosevelt University political scientist Paul Green, who taught at the police academy for four years.

"The overwhelming 99.9 percent do their job professionally," he said.

But evidence of deep-rooted problems is piling up.

Finnigan, 44, also is one of six members of the special operations unit, created to crack down on gangs and drugs, who are charged with operating a shakedown operation aimed at civilians. Prosecutors say they have him on tape weighing the possibility of having someone kill a fellow special operations officer to keep him from becoming a witness against him.

Finnigan and his attorney, Michael Ficaro, declined to comment.

In July, three off-duty officers pleaded not guilty to charges that they beat four businessmen in a bar in a videotaped confrontation.

In another videotaped confrontation, off-duty officer Anthony Abbate was seen apparently beating a 115-pound female bartender because she would not serve him another drink. Abbate has pleaded not guilty to a felony charge of aggravated battery.

The quagmire is deepened by five federal lawsuits accusing police and city officials of covering up the torture of murder suspects at the Area 2 detective headquarters under violent crimes Lt. Jon Burge in the 1980s. Burge was fired in 1993 after a suspect in the murder of two officers allegedly was abused while in his custody.

A four-year study by two special prosecutors appointed by a Cook County judge, released in July 2006, found that Chicago police beat, kicked and shocked scores of black suspects in the 1970s and 1980s to get confessions. The report said it was impossible to file charges because the incidents were so old that the statute of limitations had long since run out.

On Wednesday, however, U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald announced the federal government was stepping into the torture case, saying it would seek evidence of "perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice by members of the Chicago police department."

"It's political, it's cultural, it's systemic," said attorney G. Flint Taylor, who represents several former death row inmates now suing Burge and city officials.

Attorney Richard Sikes, who represents Burge in the five civil suits, said after Fitzgerald's announcement that allegations against his client "have been fairly investigated by the special prosecutors who found that charges were not appropriate."

The department has been slow to put its best foot forward. Officers in the news affairs office said only department spokeswoman Monique Bond could comment. Bond did not return three calls seeking comment over two days.
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Mark Donahue, president of Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7, said most officers are doing a professional job but the department's reputation has been hurt by the misdeeds of a minority.

"I subscribe to the few-bad-apples theory," Donahue said. "It is also due to the attention that the few bad apples are getting from the media."

The City Council recently revamped the Office of Professional Standards, which investigates charges that police officers abused civilians. Instead of reporting to department higher ups, as it did for years, the office now reports directly to Mayor Richard M. Daley.

Craig B. Futterman, a University of Chicago law professor, says such investigations in the past were shoddy and rarely resulted in discipline against the officers.

"If they investigated crimes the way they investigate complaints against police officers they would never close a case," Futterman says.

All too often, that's true. And on the rare occasions when a criminal case is brought against an officer, it is often tough to get a conviction. If we could privatize law enforcement, we could get more accountability--but eyes glaze over whenever I talk about this concept.

Onward and upward,
airforce

News story here.

Police come to a woman's house because her car by chance is similar to a car used in a recent bank robbery. She's not at all connected to the robbery. As she speaks with one police officer, another walks around back to look around. He walks her yard yard, where, as any reasonable person might suspect, one of her two dogs growls at the sight of a stranger poking around on the property.

The cop takes out his gun and shoots the dog dead while the woman's two-year-old son watches from 20 feet away.

Sergeant Chad Paulson of The Crow Wing Sheriff's Department says the deputy had his weapon drawn because the bank robber may have been on the premises. He also said the deputy "shot the dog because it approached him growling, baring it's teeth, with the hair on it's neck standing up."

This is absurd. The dog was a terrier lab. I've had hundreds of dogs bare their teeth at me. Not once have I thought my only option was to kill the thing.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Hey AF, not my eyes. I've been saying that for YEARS.

Trust me, Coolhand. You're the exception. But, if you really want to put a room to sleep, talk about privatizing our nation's roads and highways.

On a different note, go out and buy the November issue of reason magazine. Better yet, buy two, and give one away.

Radley Balko has an article in it that he's been working on basically since we first reported the Cory Maye case, and on which he's been spending much of his time for the last eight months.

The article zeros in on Dr. Steven Hayne, the doctor who did the autopsy in the Cory Maye case and, as it turns out, does the vast majority of all the autopsies in Mississippi. Dr. Hayne has some pretty serious credibility problems, beginning with the staggering number of autopsies he does each year. There's also a high probability that he has put a significant number of innocent people in prison, including (possibly) on death row.

I don't want to give too much away, because the issue is just now hitting newsstands. But we're hoping the story makes an impact. One justice on the Mississippi State Supreme Court has already cited some of Mr. Balko's prior writing on Hayne in throwing out his testimony in the murder trial of Tyler Edmonds. But the whole court stopped well short of decertifying Dr. Hayne as an expert in Mississippi's courts. This new article digs quite a bit deeper. He reviewed lots of depositions and autopsy reports, and interviewed more than 50 people, including dozens of Dr. Hayne's peers and former colleagues.

Incidentally, Mr. Balko did find one doctor in Mississippi who has in the past been willing to stick up for Dr. Hayne's credibility. he didn't find many, but there was at least one. This doctor is often present at Hayne's autopsies, and has in the past collaborated with Hayne to write medical articles and make presentations at conferences.

His name? Dr. Michael West, whose own qualifications seem to be largely a figment of his imagination.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This one took place in Henry, a small town in southern Virginia, in October of 2003.

Ariel Alonso and Jonathan Conrad were two lonely men who developed an interest in alchemy. After meeting on the Internet, the two men shared a home in Henry, Virginia, where they practiced amateur chemistry, producing various elixirs that they then sold on their website. Cooky? Sure. But not criminal. Conrad, in his 50s, was into alternative medicine, and generated most of the income from the venture. Alonso, in his 70s, was bit more eccentric -- he dabbled in metallurgy. The two had invested thousands of dollars in the lab, but were able to make a decent living from their web business.

On October 13, 2003, local authorities paid a visit to the home, where they saw the men's chemistry equipment, and (naturally) immediately suspected a methamphetamine lab. For reasons still unclear, a "field test" tested positve (there seem to be lots of false positives with these narcotics field tests). The DEA would later admit that test was only "equivocally" positive.

So later the same day, DEA agents raided the men's home. The raiding officers devastated the lab, shattering thousands of dollars in equipment, and arrested the men on charges of manufacturing methamphetamine. The two spent 18 days in jail.

Unfortunately for the drug cops, more extensive lab tests later revealed no sign of methamphetamine, nor of any of the chemicals used to make it. In fact, there were no signs of any illicit substances at all. The two men were released.

Despite their innocence, the DEA refused to compensate Alonso and Conrad for the damage drug agents did to their lab. With no source of income and lots of credit card debt used to buy the lab, Conrad moved in with a relative in North Carolina. Alonso had no family, and so moved back into the home, where he lived on Social Security. When his furnace broke, he had no money to repair it, and had to use his stove for heat. He eventually contracted lung cancer, and died in a low-income nursing home in September 2004.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Yes lots of false positives on a field test.

There is also a little signal a handler can give to a drug dog that makes it bark or act like it smells drugs.

Soon that will be caught on camera.

That's exactly why these house distroying ba$tards should have been shot when they came through the door!!

Botched raid victims William and Sharon McCulley, whose case Radley Balko mentioned in Overkill, were awarded $325,000 this week after a botched drug raid last year hit them and their grandchildren.

...That’s when, without a warrant authorizing entrance into the home of William and Sharon McCulley, but rather with an “anticipatory search warrant” that authorized them to search any property where the marijuana was transported, police entered their home.

Though the Toyota truck they had been following and the transported box wasn’t at the McCulley’s home, police then threw Sharon McCulley on the ground next to her grandchild and handcuffed her, pressing a gun so hard into her head it left a circular mark, according to the complaint.

Her husband, William McCulley, who has a severe nerve disorder and has a walker and leg brace, was also ordered to lie on the ground, but was unable to do so quickly because of his disability. Thrown to the ground by an officer, William McCulley’s implanted electronic shocking device to alleviate pain malfunctioned causing him to convulse, court documents state.

Onward and upward,
airforce

“anticipatory search warrant”


That's an oxymoron.

I had never heard of one of those either. Pretty scary, isn't it?

Onward and upward,
airforce

This kind of thing almost never happens, does it?

An Accokeek couple is demanding an apology after Prince George's County Sheriff's Deputies burst into their home and killed their dog - all because deputies went to the wrong address.

Pam and Frank Myers were tucked away in their home Friday night watching a movie when the warrant squad pounced.

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They wouldn't let me go to the bathroom which is like seven feet down the hall," said Frank Myers.

"it was terrifying. I can't sit on my couch at night any more. I'm looking over my shoulder the whole time," said Pam Myers.

The Myers say the deputies knew immediately they had raided the wrong home. They say it could have ended with an apology, until the couple heard two shots from the yard.

"And I said, 'You just shot my dog," said Pam Myers, through tears. "I just wanted to go out and hold her a bit. They wouldn't even let me go out."

The couple's five-year-old boxer Pearl was killed. The deputy says he feared for his life. They say the dog would bark but was no danger to the deputies.

The house the elite, well-trained, highly professional police unit was looking for was two doors down.

Onward and upward,
airforce

They 'feared for their life' because of a BOXER?!?!?!?!!??!!!! What, were they afraid she was going to slobber them to death? Or pee all over them in her excitement over seeing some strange new people?

Man, it's getting bad out there folks! Got so anymore a man has to sit on his couch with 12 guage in hand pointed at door with safety off just to watch the evening news. I've got a better idea! Just rig the shotgun at the door and sit back and relax. If something goes wrong, pick up the shotgun and go finish the rest!!

I fear it's only going to get worse Patriot, looks like they are testing to see how far they can go before someone steps in and tells them too far...

It's a good thing this almost never happens:

http://www.wlwt.com/news/14656397/detail.html

SWAT goes into the wrong apartment--after shooting gas into it--and leaves a mess. A single mother and her two children now have nowhere to live.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Here's you another one Air Force:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T7ELUG0&show_article=1?ic

Stun Gun Used on Pregnant Woman in Ohio

TROTWOOD, Ohio (AP) - A policeman forced a pregnant woman to the ground and used a stun gun on her when she refused to answer the officer's questions and resisted being handcuffed, authorities said Thursday.

The woman went to the police department in this Dayton suburb on Nov. 18 to ask officers to take custody of her 1-year-old son, said Michael Etter, Trotwood's public safety director.

The woman told the officer she was "tired of playing games" with the baby's father, Etter said. The woman refused to answer questions, became frustrated and tried to leave with the child, Etter said. The officer feared allowing her to leave could jeopardize the child and he decided to detain her to get more information.

He said the officer grabbed the woman, got the child away from her and forced her to the ground. When she resisted being handcuffed and tried to get away, the officer used the stun gun on her, Etter said.

The woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said.

The woman was arrested for obstruction and resisting arrest and transported to jail, Etter said. When she arrived at the jail, it was discovered that she was pregnant, and an officer took her to the hospital, he said. The condition of the woman and the fetus was not known.

The FBI is investigating the arrest and Etter said the police department is conducting its own probe to determine whether excessive force was used.

He said the officer remains on duty.
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What SHOULD the sheep have learned from this?

1) The police are not your friends.
2) Never, never, NEVER initiate a conversation with the cops. If you do, you are done talking when THEY SAY you are done talking.
3) No one is immune to getting a beat-down by the po-po.
4) The cops will use any excuse they can find to get you on paper. SHE went to talk to THEM, they did NOT seek HER out. Yet here she is, arrested. If there wasn't already a record on her, there is now.


Now, here's what the sheep WILL learn from this:


Hey, isn't one of those shows about people trying to sing on? Quick, change the channel.

Thanks, guys! I'll pass this one along. we need all the help we can get!

At first blush, I can certainly see why the officer would be concerned. A baby in the hands of an apparently unstable person is not a safe situation. When the woman tried to leave, abandoning the baby, there was certainly reason to detain her, and the officer is authorized to use reasonable force to detain her.

This seems to be a tough call to me. the woman appeared to be a danger to herself and others, but there is no easy way to detain a resisting woman without some use of force, and any use of force implies some risk.

With the presence of the infant, use of pepper spray would be ruled out. Takedowns or joint locks are frowned upon with mentally unstable individuals, and a baton probably has more risk of injury than does the taser. (I'm assuming, of course, the officer did not know the woman was pregnant, which seems reasonable.)

I suppose the biggest fault I can find is in not calling for paramedics immediately. Here in Tulsa, that is standard procedure anytime force is used. it seems to me a trip to the hospital emergency room--where a doctor can determine if she needs psychiatric help--would be called for in this case, before a trip to the jail.

But this is all speculation on my part. In any event, this is joining a long list.

Again, thanks for the help. Keep it up!

Onward and upward
airforce

Airforce, I dont see anywhere that it says she tried to abandon the baby.

"became frustrated and tried to leave with the child, Etter said."

She tried to take him with her.

Did you read a different article than I did? I didn't see anything about that, either. She got frustrated with the pigs and tried to leave...that I can understand. I don't think that makes her mentally unstable.

Once again, I'm not seeing it. If you have a link to an article that's different from the one I read, please post it. Otherwise, I don't see how getting frustrated with the asinine questions cops ask makes anyone a danger.

The biggest fault I can find, based on the article I posted (which is where Patriot's link took me, maybe it's a different article now, who knows), is:

In essence, she went to THEM to file a complaint. At some point, she reconsidered, and decided she didn't want to after all. But the cop wasn't going to just let it go at that.

Let's use the same basic problem, but in a different circumstance:

Back in 2001, someone illegally entered my house on Christmas Eve. I was going to say broke in, but it wasn't really a break-in since my wife accidentally left the door to the back porch unlocked. Our kitchen door was barred from the inside, so they couldn't get into the house itself, just the porch. There were tool marks on the doorway where someone tried to break in to the house, but was unsuccessful. Since they couldn't get into the house, they just stole a frozen turkey out of the freezer on the porch.

When we noticed the marks on Christmas Day, we called the police. The cop that came looked at everything and basically told me there wasn't much that could be done, but I could file a report anyway if I wanted to (yeah, our cops here are just wonderful, very adept at their jobs). I decided that I really didn't want my name and address in the newspaper, esp. if they weren't going to catch the crook.

Now, using my example, let's use her circumstances. If the same thing that happened to her had happened to me, when I declined to file a report I would have been badgered, intimidated, and finally thrown to the ground, tasered, handcuffed, and finally, gotten a trip to the county jail. And for what? For not wanting to file a complaint.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

From the article:

The woman went to the police department in this Dayton suburb on Nov. 18 to ask officers to take custody of her 1-year-old son, said Michael Etter, Trotwood's public safety director.

I think you would agree this is not normal behavior. I'll grant you, parents can get frustrated with their children, and cops do sometimes get calls asking them to take children away. (These are usually handled pretty easily; most often, the other parent is called, or another family member, to take temporary custody of the child.)

This one, however, is far different. The woman tried to leave the baby with the officer and, when he started asking questions, she picked up the baby and tried to leave. If I were the cop, I would have three questions: Who is she? Where is she going? What does she plan to do when she gets there?

Now, I should tell you, I am a corrections officer at the county jail, and I work security part-time at a couple apartment complexes. It is not unusual to have someone claim they're suicidal. (They're usually hoping to score some drugs from the jail infirmary.)

But this appears real. Women just don't try to give away their baby, then try to leave in a hurry without even identifying themselves. This woman may as well have had "suicidal" tattooed on her forehead.

If I were the cop in question, I would certainly be concerned for the welfare of the woman, the baby, and any other children she may have had. I would have detained her, until it could be determined she is not a danger to herself or others.

As you might imagine, Radley Balko and I have a different outlook on many incidents. (As he freely admits, I have "been there" and he hasn't.) We're trying to get more information about this, but I'm not optimistic we will; the woman's medical records will be private, of course, so we won't know her state of mind.

This is not to say I think this situation was handled as well as it should have been. As i said above, this woman probably should have been taken to the hospital emergency room, rather than the jail. Was it really necessary to taser her? I don't know yet but, based on my experience, the cop was right in using whatever force was necessary to detain her. He may very well have saved her life, or the life of another, by doing so.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Here's another video. I don't think anyone can deny that this cop is an a$$hole!!

http://www.statesman.com/news/mplayer/other/32386?f=1

Yep. By my count, 99 seconds from getting pulled over until the guy gets a ride on the Taser. More troubling to me is how many people watch these videos and find nothing wrong with them. I realize these people aren’t being as respectful with the police as they ought to be (if for their own safety, if not out of courtesy). But if we’ve gotten to the point where a paralyzing jolt of electricity is now an acceptable punishment for getting uppity with a police officer (or in this case, for not bowing to the officer’s uppity-ness), well, that's just wrong.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This one made my blood boil. Makes me want to turn that tazer on the cop and leave it on till the foam froths from his mouth and his eyes pop.

Surely you wouldn't wanna hurt the poor cop would you CW? I was thinking along the lines of a Greyhound bus having a right front blowout 50 yards before he got to the cop!! Running 70 MPH of course!

Hot wire the door handle so the cop got a taste of his own medicine first. A little superglue on the door handle would have been fun also.

Here is one for all to ponder!
TAZERS...THE NEXT GENERATION! SHOCKING!


I hate all people who like to inflict pain!!!

Alarmed by recent incidents? Wait'll you see what the company is planning for 2008
Dec 02, 2007 04:30 AM
Andrew Chung
Staff Reporter

The Taser is going wireless.

Until now, the electric-shock gun consisted of two barbed darts attached to wires that shoot out and strike the victim, immobilizing the person with 50,000 volts of electricity, causing severe pain and intense muscle contraction.

But the wires could only extend a few metres. With the new "extended range electronic projectile," or XREP, the Taser has been turned into a kind of self-contained shotgun shell and can be fired, wire-free, from a standard shotgun, which police typically have in their arsenal already.

The first electrode hooks on to the target, the second electrode falls and makes contact elsewhere on the body, completing the circuit and activating the shock. It can blast someone as far as 30 metres away, and, unlike the current stun guns, whose shock lasts five seconds, the XREP lasts 20 seconds, enough time to "take the offender into custody without risking injury to officers."

Taser International spokesperson Steve Tuttle says the XREP would be perfect in a standoff. "Here's someone you just don't want to get anywhere near," he says.

The XREP is one of two major new applications the Scottsdale, Ariz., company is preparing to field test, a prospect that makes Taser's critics anxious. They say more study is needed of the old products, let alone the new.

Tasers are sparking all sorts of questions and concerns these days.

Like death after Tasing. Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski died after the RCMP Tased him when he'd become agitated after spending 10 hours inside the secure area at the Vancouver airport.

Or questionable Tasing. University of Florida student Andrew Meyer was Tased even though a handful of officers had already piled on top of him after he refused to stop asking former presidential candidate John Kerry questions at the microphone. (He's the one who uttered that now infamous plea that has spawned bumper stickers and T-shirts: "Don't Tase me, bro!")

Tasers are now used by more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies in 44 countries. There are more than 428,000 Tasers in the field, not to mention the tens of thousands of Tasers that have been sold to civilians.

And the innovations keep coming.

Besides the XREP, the company has developed a device meant to keep someone from approaching a certain area – a tactic called "area denial." "What if you could drop everyone in a given area to the ground with the simple push of a button?" asks a dramatic promotional video for the "Shockwave."

Taser has turned its weapon into a connected series of six darts arranged in an arc. The company says the device can be extended in a chain or stacked "like Lego," depending on the needs of the user.

So an army platoon, for instance, could use it to prevent unwanted people from approaching their camp, and not have to risk getting close to their targets.

Amnesty International, which has raised concerns for years, says the Shockwave poses serious risks of inappropriate use. When you target an entire area, or a crowd, you can't distinguish between the individuals you're trying to restrain, says Hilary Homes, a security and human rights campaigner for Amnesty International Canada.

"It targets everybody to the same intensity or effect," Homes says. "With materials like that, you worry about ...arbitrary and indiscriminate use."

Tuttle says the technology will be used for military applications, "not for a riot in Toronto."

Amnesty says that between 2001 and Sept. 30, 2007, there were more than 290 deaths of individuals struck by police Tasers in North America, including 16 in Canada. It reports that only 25 of those electroshocked were armed, and none with firearms. It's calling for a moratorium on their use by police until a full, independent inquiry is held.

Homes says the new shotgun-style Taser doesn't pose any risks that aren't already there with the older weapon, except that "this allows more things to be done from a greater distance."

Mostly, it's the concern over the expansion of this technology even as there is heated debate over the devices' safety. "We'd prefer there weren't new variations until a study of the central technology was done," she says.

The safety concerns revolve around the growing number of deaths following Tasering and the increasing use of the term "excited delirium" by the company and other experts to explain the deaths, while denying the weapon any culpability.

Excited delirium is a catchall phrase to describe symptoms of extreme stress, such as disorientation, profuse sweating, paranoia, and superhuman strength.

When someone is in such a condition – heart racing, blood pressure bursting, fight-or-flight hormones like adrenalin coursing through their body – wouldn't a giant electrical jolt just make things worse?

"Show me the medical and mechanical reasons why it would make it worse when doctors are telling us, when someone is in that situation you should treat it as a medical emergency and get that person to a medical trauma centre in the quickest way," Tuttle says. "With no Taser, he's impervious to pain, agitated, slippery with sweat – you won't get control in five seconds. Maybe you'll use batons, which won't work, pepper spray, which is much more stressful, a bean-bag round, maybe deadly force because the situation spins out of control?"

Dr. David Evans, the Toronto regional supervising coroner for investigations, says that while there's no proof to say the shock could make things worse, "I agree potentially it could." But, he adds, "why aren't they dropping dead immediately?"

Evans says that it doesn't seem to make sense that the Taser is at fault in the deaths, because the deaths have not been instantaneous. "Normally you'd expect that if someone was going to die from electrocution related to electrical discharge, they'd die right there and then, within a few seconds," he says.

Tasering doesn't cause changes in the heart rhythm, or arrhythmia, which leads to death, he says.

It's a view that Ontario's deputy coroner, Dr. Jim Cairns, has used to help shape the Toronto Police Services Board policy toward allowing Toronto police to use Tasers. Cairns also spoke at a Taser tactical conference in Chicago last July about excited delirium.

Taser points out that the weapon has not been implicated in any of the deaths in Canada. "We're just repeating what the medical examiners are saying," says Tuttle. "The vast majority of those cases have been excited delirium or (drug) overdose."

Even though "excited delirium" isn't an accepted medical diagnosis, it may be listed as a "contributory factor" in police-custody deaths, Evans says, but not as the primary cause.

Taser isn't the only company developing electrical stun weapons. Indiana-based Xtreme Alternative Defense Systems has, in a prototype phase, a futuristic weapon that sends out a streak of lightning, apparently by projecting an ionized gas or ionizing the air itself with a laser, which conducts the electricity forward. The technology could potentially also be used to disable vehicles and, in the future, to help militaries neutralize incoming rocket propelled grenades.

Taser expects its new products to be available by mid-2008.

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Technology/article/281670


Reply: Like i said before, when they come, they made your choice for you! Live or die! The decision is up to you!! They started this $hit, not us!!

Here's you another one Air Force:

IRAQ VETERAN VICTIM OF GOVERNMENT ABUSE







By Charlotte Iserbyt

November 23, 2007

NewsWithViews.com

A day rarely passes when Americans don’t read about crimes being perpetrated not only by citizens, but by the very law enforcement officials whose duty it is to protect citizens. We all read about these shocking incidents, be they the tasering of old ladies, the arrest and hand-cuffing of female concert pianists who may be exceeding the speed limit by one mile an hour, or to use a word we all love to use: “whatever.”

This morning an email brought me news of another atrocity to be added to the list of law enforcement abuse:

On Sunday, October 21, 2007, Billy Miller was arrested by the Farmington, New Hampshire (LIVE FREE OR DIE!) Police Department on charges of misdemeanor. He was unlawfully held at the Strafford County Correctional Facility, Dover, NH in the “booking department” for seventeen days. THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW. NO ONE MAY BE HELD FOR MORE THAN 72 HOURS!

Bail condition was set at $20,000 cash ONLY, excessive, and held in a state of peonage which is strictly prohibited by the Constitution. He was drugged from the first day (documented), restrained, denied visitation, held in solitare with lights illuminated 24 hours, denied his right to file a Writ of Habeas Corps.

During Billy’s detainment, his mother, Marie Luise Miller, was permitted a few visits, and than none. The attempt is to deem her son incompetent. Her son is an extremely intelligent man, a veteran of Gulf War I, 82nd Airborne , Special Forces. Billy was competent and coherent during his mother’s first two visits with him. Thereafter, it was obvious by her son’s physical appearance and frame of mind that he was under the control of some kind of substance. On her last permitted visit, Friday, November 2nd his skin was red as a lobster and his facial skin was red and blue. His mother has been, since then, denied visitation and the reason for denial of visits by the guards is that her son is mentally incompetent and needs medical attention. If that being the case, he should be in a hospital, NOT IN JAIL!

On November 7, 2007 Billy’s mother filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus in Superior Court and somewhere between November 7th and 8th, as the judge denied the Habeas Corpus, her son was moved to the State Mental Hospital, New Hampshire (Live Free or Die!) This was supposed to be an order from the judge for 10 days’ observation. Instead, Billy was held there for 13 days where the drugging continued. Questions about the medication went unanswered and requests to see the doctor were ignored.

On November 20, 2007, much to her horror, his mother learned that her son had been moved to the State Prison psychiatric ward in Concord.

Billy Miller is being incapacitated by the drugs and being held with convicted criminals and has not even had a trial! His life is at risk!

So……what can I do? What can you do? What can all of us do?

Americans are good people, but many of us have excuses for our inability to take a courageous stand. We lean on the excuse that maybe Billy’s situation is not as bad as it sounds; maybe there’s another side to the story; anyway, our lives are so busy (we are overwhelmed by job loss, illness, depression, high cost of gasoline and heating fuel, mortgage to pay, etc., etc.). The very sad truth related to doing “nothing” is:

‘YOU’LL KNOW IT IS TRUE WHEN IT HAPPENS TO YOU!”

Once we (yes, that means you and me, not just the Billy Millers of the world) are the victims of government abuse, the semi-legitimate excuses for doing “nothing” mentioned above will seem meaningless in contrast to the victimization we and our families and friends will be forced to endure, if we do nothing.

Are we going to hold off helping our fellow citizens until the same kind of thing that happened to Billy Miller has happened to a majority of our people? How long will we, as individuals, be exempt from such government tyranny?

Will we wait until our government has taken total control of our lives and abused our God-given Constitutional rights, as happened in Nazi Germany when good Germans knew of the atrocities, but did nothing?

Have we forgotten that our state and national governments are limited by the U.S. Constitution in their ability to abuse citizens? Have we forgotten that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights still exist, and that our government is framed so that we have representation through our elected officials to redress tyrannical acts of the state or federal government? Or perhaps we have bought into the globalist argument that our Constitution is outmoded?


New Hampshire State Government, which ironically boasts on its license plates “Live Free or Die!,” and New Hampshire's Congressional Delegation, are bound by their oath of office to deal with this matter. Citizens of New Hampshire MUST politely let their elected officials at the local, state and federal level know that such abuse will NOT be tolerated and that they will be "out of office" if action is not IMMEDIATELY taken to reverse this tragic situation and see that those responsible for this cruel and unlawful treatment of Billy Miller are removed from their jobs and receive appropriate punishment.


Citizens from other states should get on board to expose this abuse of human rights and to help the mother of Billy Miller, Marie Louise Miller, in her courageous efforts to right this terrible wrong. Her telephone number is 603-834-4854.

On this Thanksgiving Day, 2007, let us remember not only to thank God for the blessings he has bestowed upon our families and nation, but also to take action to protect the very God-given freedoms which are so clearly enumerated in the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights, the very freedoms for which Billy Miller was willing to die when he served in the military during Gulf War I


My REPLY: GUESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep 'em coming, Patriot (and everyone else). This is good stuff.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Again, I say, how much more are we willing to sit here and take. We all know that calling the cops, lawyers and politicians gets you NO WHERE. They will continue to abuse the people and strip us of our RIGHTS untill we start fighting back.

I agree CW! I can't post what i want to here in open forum. You know my politics and you should by now know my reponce to someone terrorizing me!! They just haven't hit the right one yet, but when they do, it will start. Once it starts, there will be NO letting up until it's over!!

Here\'s another one.

Officers broke into a 72-year-old man's house and roughed him up, looking for a stolen motorcycle. They had the wrong address, which perhaps explains why the man was "agitated." So agitated, in fact, they arrested him for obstruction.

The jury originally awarded him $75,000 in punitive damages. The judge left him with not quite $13,000, just enough to cover his medical bills and expenses.

Onward and upward,
airforce

You mean they stole his money?? I'll be a son of a biscuit eater! Common filthy rotten piece of crossdressing transvestite baldheaded scumbag! WTF? $hit like this is what makes people go off and do whatever!

Two more, both involving police intercepts of packages using the DHL delivery service on the campus at Duke University.

In the latest, police intercepted a package of marijuana bound for a fraternity house, then raided the place in full SWAT attire when one of the fraternity members signed for it. One of the residents describes the raid:

I am writing to share both my relief over the dropped charges against my housemate, senior Eric Halperin, as well as my continued anger at the blatant abuse of power by the Durham Police Department.

On the morning of Feb. 27, our home off East Campus was raided by a team of State Bureau of Investigation agents and members of DPD. Without warning, our front door was knocked down and a handful of fully armed officers entered our home. Subsequently, we were ordered to the ground at the behest of assault rifles, dragged across the floor, hand-cuffed and forced to strip naked.

In carrying out their search warrant, police officers destroyed hundreds of dollars of our personal property. Upon failing to find anything incriminating, my friend, Halperin, was falsely charged with drug trafficking without any investigation or evidence, except his signing for a DHL package not addressed to him.

It took a month, but police have now dropped all charges against Mr. Halperin. The earlier incident followed almost the same formula, except it took place in a dorm room. In that case too, the charges against the Duke student were dropped.

Even assuming it's appropriate to arrest a college student who signs for a package of marijuana addressed to someone else, why the SWAT tactics? Did the police department really think the fraternity was going to put up a fight?

Last month, there was a similar incident at LSU, in which a SWAT team raided a college student's home based on an anonymous tip that there might be some pot inside. They found nothing.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Ridiculous!!

They need to get a life and stop picking on poor pot smokers. Enough already. Do they really consider pot to be just like Heroin, or what? Geez!! :rolleyes:

This time, the wonderful Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms gets into the act.

Story and video here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

As part of a massive operation targeting hydroponic marijuana growers called "Operation D-Day" (nothing militaristic about that at all, is there?), federal agents in Florida mistakenly raided the home of a Cuban immigrant couple.

It's worth noting that while police say these tactics are necessary because drug distributors tend to be violent and armed to the teeth, this operation apparently turned up just eight guns from 150 homes.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Didn't you know that Federal agents have the finest personal firearms collections?

Of course they only found eight crappy guns. Wink, wink!

They are most likely going around looking for good AR uppers to mate with the high-quality AR lowers BATFE stole from me two years ago.

Now you know where the term "stolen guns" really originated.

Police investigating a child sex abuse case break into the home of a man recovering from intestinal surgery, rip out his catheter, then leave him alone without medical care.

Even if this was the right guy, that seems more than a little unnecessary to make an arrest.

Naturally, it was the wrong guy. Why else would I put it under this topic?

News story here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Sounds like the various federal agencies and federally funded cops do more harm than good these days. They are really good at taxing us with bs traffic citations to pay for their salaries and harassing innocents. Its too bad they don't do something to control illegal immigration or drugs or actual crime. It is nice to know they have minimal proficiency with weapons and training. They do have one big advantage they are like cockroaches when they come to your house they seem to always outnumber you. They're too busy tasing innocent people to do any real good anymore. The longer I live the more I identify with our founding fathers. Hmm does anyone know if Raid makes a product to control industrial sized federally funded cockroaches? Maybe it would be a box of donuts with interesting side effects? Surely someone markets a soloution to the problem?

The Failure rate of Parachutes is about 1 in 300 jumps.

So if you are serious Sky Diver you will most likely experience a Main Chute failure eventually. The more you Jump the sooner you will have that failure.

The same principle applies to injuring and murdering innocent Citizens.

The more people they hurt the closer they come to ticking off the wrong person.

And considering the number of these attacks by Law Enforcement on innocent Citizens, I do not believe it will be much longer before they finally attack the wrong person who will get payback. And once the first person fights back it will encourage other people to fight back, and the percentage of people fighting back will increase, until eventually cops really will not know if they will return home to their families or not.

Then things will get very interesting, and may be the cause of the next Civil War

The reason I believe what would be simply a few Citizens getting Personal Justice, will turn into a Civil War, is if the cops do not know exactly who is targeting them, and start doing what was done in the case of the “DC Sniper”.

The cops were targeting anyone who fit the profile and were also targeting all owners of AR-15s in that area. And remember that those jerks, I mean the so called Sniper were targeting the general population. What do you feel would happen if it was the Police who were being targeted.

I believe that the Police would use extreme tactics to apprehend these Cop Killers, and if a few Citizens get killed in the process the cops are not going to care at all. And this just may be what it takes to get a large percentage of people to fight back. Just think about this, if you were a gun owner and other gun owners were being murdered just because they were gun owners and you thought that these murdering pigs would try to murder you, what would you do. The options would be to: do nothing, just do nothing and hope they will not murder you; give in, call the cops, and voluntarily offer to cooperate and turn your guns in; or do as a real man would do and join the fight and start targeting and taking out the police before they take you out.

Each of these options will be taken by a percentage of the gun owners who are on the police hit list, and the eventual outcome will depend on what percentage will actually fight. If enough people fight then it becomes an insurrection, and if there are insurrections in a large number of areas and these insurrections grow large enough, it will become an actual Civil War or Revolution.

It is a fact that the more oppressive Government becomes and as more atrocities are committed by police, the more people will fight back, and eventually will be able to defeat the enemy.

It used to be Winning the Hearts and Minds of the People. But what are Government and it’s agents of Satan are currently doing is, Losing the Hearts and Minds of the People.

The Militia does not have to worry about getting people to come over to our side, since the Government is doing a very good job of making enemies of the people.

If you’ll remember, Justice Scalia argued in Hudson v. Michigan that the Exclusionary Rule isn’t necessary in the case of illegal no-knock raids because there are less drastic, more effective ways of deterring police officers from conducting illegal searches.

The ruling was of course confined to the issue of wrongful no-knock searches, but it’s no secret that Scalia and other Federalist Society types want to do away with the Exclusionary Rule altogether. These other methods of deterring police from conducting illegal searches, Scalia argued, include a vague “new professionalism” in police departments across the country (which, Scalia explained, is due to the fact that police have been held accountable when they do conduct illegal searches by the exclusion of evidence), civil rights suits from people who have been wrongly searched, and internal disciplinary procedures against offending officers.

Scalia’s first reason is debatable at best. And as we’ve seen, his other two remedies rarely happen, in part thanks to rulings from judges like Scalia, who have made it increasingly difficult to sue an agent of the government.

Here’s the latest piece of evidence against Scalia’s argument that police are usually disciplined by their own departments for conducting illegal searches:

The point here is not that a small number of police officers were caught conducting illegal searches. The point is that they weren’t in any way held accountable for conducting them, even after called out in court by a judge.

Those internal disciplinary procedures aren’t merely not working very well, they’re practically nonexistent.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Tom’s River, New Jersey:

Even they’d had the right guy, was the beating and stomping really necessary? Note too the lack of an announcement. But don’t the police say they always announced before a drug raid?

Onward and upward,
airforce

Like i said before, it is the way they are trained! We have NO choice in the matter! They started this $hit, not us! If they come, it will be a matter of survival!!

Last Thursday, narcotics cops in Troy, New York shot the locks off a door, tossed a flash grenade through a window, and stormed a house as part of an early-morning drug raid. They found only a single mother inside, not the drugs or weapons described in the warrant.

The raid seems to have stemmed from a bad tip from a confidential informant. But Troy authorities don’t seem particularly repentant. Here’s District Attorney Richard McNally:

Obviously the checks and balances weren’t in place, or the police wouldn’t have terrorized an innocent woman (fortunately, her five-year-old daughter wasn’t home at the time).

One local TV reporter spoke with a police sergeant related to the case, who said the police have no intention of repairing the damage they did to the woman’s home.

Which apparently means they feel no obligation to clean up the mess they made.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Of course not. Why would they? When a medieval lord got done with a peasant's wife, do you think he cleaned her up before handing her back to her husband? Or do you think it more likely that he pulled up his pants, smirked at the entire family, and walked out of their home, maybe kicking the dog or knocking over some furniture on his way out?

I'm going with the latter.

Hmm... sounds like terrorism to me. By definition, even.

I think we all know what time it is. All I can say is I better not hear about something like that happening in my sleepy little town, or they got trouble.

The only thing I can say is it's time to start inviting yourself over to their house for a BBQ

There were two more in the Bronx this week:

Why didn’t they check the surveillance video before conducting the raids? And how thoroughly could they possibly have searched this informant if he was able to hide drugs in his clothing? Moreover, if they were this sloppy while using this informant, how do we know other cops in the city aren’t making similar mistakes with other informants?

(This particular informant has been the source of information for at least a dozen other drug raids.)

Once again, the larger point here is that these raids are too violent and dangerous, the margin of error to small, and the tips and investigations that lead to them too subject to mistakes and bad information for them to be used on nonviolent drug offenders.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Yet another stunning victory in the War on Drugs!

Last December, we wrote about a botched SWAT raid on an innocent Minnesota family. Acting on bad information from an informant, the police threw flash grenades though the family’s windows, then exchanged gunfire with Vang Khang, who mistook the police for criminal intruders. Seven months later, no one in the police department has been held accountable for the mistakes leading up to the raid.

However, this week Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan and Mayor R.T. Rybak did give the raiding officers medals and commendations for their bravery in nearly killing Vang Khang, his wife, and their six children.

Said Chief Dolan while handing out the hardware:

"The easy decision would have been to retreat under covering fire. The team did not take the easy way out," Dolan told the crowd. "This is a perfect example of a situation that could have gone horribly wrong, but did not because of the professionalism with which it was handled."

This is really beyond outrage. The city of Minneapolis is commending and rewarding its police officers for firing their weapons at innocent people. A family of eight was terrorized, assaulted, and nearly killed, and it’s the "perfect example" of a situation that could have gone wrong?

It’s not the first time this kind of thing has happened, either. In November 2006, a Baltimore County, Maryland police officer was given an award for shooting Cheryl Lynn Noel, a mother of two gunned down in her nightgown when she grabbed a gun after mistaking the raiding police officers for criminal intruders. The officer then shot Noel a second time from point blank range. That award came shortly after the Noel family filed a civil suit against Baltimore County.

Onward and upward,
airforce

At this point in time, the way I look at it, is this problem can only and will only be solved by Peoples Justice administered by Night Riders or by the Victims themselves or their loved ones. What the people need is our own version of the Star Chamber with vigilantes administering justice to cops and others that the official justice system refuses to.

Law Suits will not correct this problem, since for one thing the Guilty Parties, meaning the Cops and Police Departments never have to pay up and it is only the Taxpayers who get stuck with paying any judgment.

Someday very soon someone will get personal payback and then the fun will begin.

According to a recently filed lawsuit, police in Milwaukee launched a 2006 SWAT raid based on a tip from an estranged, grudge-nursing sister who hadn’t seen her sibling in four years. The other woman’s husband house grabbed his gun to defend his home as the SWAT team entered, and was shot by police in the shoulder.

News story here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This one is in Buffalo :

Buffalo police then raided the “correct” house, but found no illicit drugs, and made no arrests.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Right in my backyard, but not a peep here about it in the media (other than this newspaper article). In fact, I don't recall hearing about the raid when it initially happened, either.

Things are heating up.

Back in June, police in St. Louis broke in to the home of an 86-year-old woman, Mary Valentine, deployed a "smoke bomb," and turned her place upside down in what looks to be a mistaken drug raid. A clergyman from the woman’s church has been trying to get an apology and compensation, but thus far has been rebuffed by city officials.

Police tore down Valentine’s door, ripped up her walls, sliced open her mattress, and seized a safe containing stationery. They found no drugs, made no arrests, and, three months later, have made no offer to compensate her for the damage done to her home.

News story here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Some of you have told me you're tired of reading about these incidents, that they only make you frustrated and angry.

I don't blame you. I'm getting pretty damn tired writing about them. But, I don't know of any way of stopping them, unless we publicize them first.

So, bear with me. And, if you can, tell your friends about these incidents. And write your congressmen about them. And write letters to your local papers about them. And call in to radio talk shows about them.

Realistically, that's all I know how to do.

Here\'s another one.

Police in Canton, Ohio shot and killed a man during a SWAT-style drug raid last week. He was in the shower at the time of the raid, and apparently brandished a gun at the raiding officers. He is a convicted felon, though his last crime was 13 years ago.

Police say the raid was conducted based on tips that there was drug dealing at the man’s home. So far, I haven’t read an account of the raid that mentions if the police found any illicit drugs.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Yesterday, I posted above the case of Darryl P. Ross, a man shot and killed during a drug raid on his home. Curiously, there’s been no mention of what, if any, illicit drugs police found in Ross’s home. His family is calling his death a murder, and trying to raise money for a private investigation.

That may now prove difficult.

A judge has ordered all police documents in the case–including the search warrant, police affidavit, and evidence return sheet–sealed. The given justification was to protect the identity of the confidential informant in the case.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I tire of the incidents themselves. However, please don't let any of this discourage you from doing what you have been doing.

I, for one, appreciate the work you are doing. These incidents need to be exposed to the light. Keep up the good work!

As I have said before to others.
The Police, Prosecuttor and the Judges are in collusion on these type of cases. Their informant is probably a paid liar that they do not want to be found out.

They all need to be put in a pine box!! Hell naw, just a big hole with plenty of lime!!!!!!!!!

In this one, a tip from a bounty hunter led to a terrifying raid on an innocent family.

I think the Fourth Amendment requires a little more than that.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This one comes from Orlando, Florida.

Police storm the house of a a grandfather, who was watching his infant grandson at the time–-complete with full SWAT attire, guns to the head, and “smoke bombs” (likely concussion grenades).

They were investigating the robbery of a cell phone store. The man’s 20-year-old grandson had apparently made a call from one of the phones.

Provided the police did the proper investigation beforehand to be sure they had the right guy and the right house, apprehending someone suspected of armed robbery would be a legitimate use of a SWAT team.

But since I’m writing about the story, you can guess what happened. They invaded first, and asked questions later. The grandson (a) hadn’t lived in the home for six years, and (b) apparently was guilty of little more than unknowingly purchasing a hot phone. He handed the phone over, and the cops left.

In the meantime, a man who did nothing wrong had his home ransacked, his privacy violated, and was generally terrorized. If he’d had a gun in his home for self-protection, he’d likely be dead.

It’s not that SWAT tactics are always wrong. It’s that they’re too often the first resort with the police departments that have them.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Here's another wrong door drug raid. Except this time, the intruders were criminals:

Now, consider this: The people who got raided by these criminals were actually treated better than most of the people wrongly raided by the police.

Consider:

1) No one was shot or killed. And no dead dogs.

2) The intruders actually apologized when they realized they had the wrong house.

3) And, now that they’ve been caught, the intruders will actually be punished for terrorizing a home full of innocent people.

News story here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Wow. Novel idea.

In Lawrenceville, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta:

Seems like we’ve reached a troubling new comfortableness with wrong-door raids when the police department’s defense is, “well, at least it wasn’t deliberate.” I’d hope that raiding the wrong house would never be deliberate.

Video of a local news report here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Not a drug raid. A prostitution raid.

You’d think that after the police figured out they had the wrong house, they’d apologize, and possibly even compensate the girl and her family, wouldn't you? But according to the lawsuit, you’d be wrong:

We have a call into the Galveston district attorney and with Dymond Milburn’s lawyer. We’re going on a press account of one side of a lawsuit, here. So it’s possible—and I would hope--that there are some important details missing.

Otherwise, a police mistake leads to an innocent 12-year-old getting violently snatched up and roughed up by a group of plainclothes cops jumping out of a van . . . and they charge her for resisting?

UPDATE:

Onward and upward,
airforce

Damn they're not even trying to look like they're doing their jobs anymore, the bastards are just going after whoever... whoever ain't connected or under some cop's protection.

They'll never, ever stop on their own. You know that don't you?

I've been outraged by every single one of these incidents I've reported. But some of them are so outrageous, they take my breath away. This is one of them.

To be fair, though, I've only heard one side of the story. I really hope there's more to this. If there is, I'll post it here.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I think most members know how I feel about the evil that cops do and get away with but I will post this just because this case of police evil is worse then a lot of other instances that have happened.

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The day of Reckoning is fast approaching.

If I had a daughter and those Pig Dung Eaters did that to her I would get payback and they would never do that to anyone else’s child. And someday very soon cops will do something to the wrong person and then they will finally start to pay for the evil that they do.

Cops are pushing their luck. It is a truth that if a person pushes their luck once too often they will pay the price for their arrogance. It is like that Bear Man who lived among wild Bears and even touched and kissed them. He pushed his luck once too often and became Bear Food and Bear Scat and took his stupid lady friend with him.

The same fate will befall these arrogant cops who believe they are gods.

There are many types of people in this world and Country, some of them are total wimps and cowards and others are real Men who love their Family more then they fear death, and one day some evil cops will harm the family of such a Man and these cops will feel the Man’s wrath and they will die.

I personally know this type of man and I know that if those cops did that to his daughter those cops would die or wish they were dead. And this man has not only the disposition but the skills and capabilities to get his vengeance and take a large number of the law enforcers who will try to kill him with him.

And I believe that most of us know at least one man like this, one who will not cower in fear but will get his own justice for harm done to someone he loves.

There are many men who were Army Special Forces, Navy SEALS, Marine Snipers or Marine Recon like some of my friends. And some of these men will be willing to use their skills in defense of their loved ones or to get justice for their loved ones. And when, not if this happens it will be the SHTF big time for some police officers.

And like in Unintended Consequences Men doing this will get other Men off their asses to take similar action against any cops and others like Bureaucrats who have violated their Rights, and then the WAR WILL BE ON.

As has been posted by another Patriotic Member or two.

Making a list and checking it twice got to find out who is Naughty or Nice.

And it will not be Santa Claus who will be coming to town.

Ho Ho Ho!



Santa Clause is Coming to TOWN, bitches!

I agree. If that was my daughter, there would've been no struggle, there would've been dead cops. Period. Dead. Cops. No argument, those cops would be dead, and I would've strung their bodies from a tree with a sign, "CORRUPT COPS, BE YE WARNED", and left their asses there.

There’s been quite a bit of discussion around the Internet on the Dymond Milburn case since we posted on this Houston Press story this afternoon. Even I thopught it seemed a little improbable. Which is why more than a few commenters at various sites have raised the possibility that the whole thing is a hoax. If it is, it’s quite a hoax. Like, on a Tawana Brawley scale.

So let’s clarify some misconceptions…


It’s all a hoax.


The lawsuit is very real. It was filed in August of this year.

Here’s a write-up from the Courthouse News Service from the day it was filed. Here’s a copy (pdf) of the complaint.

If this is a hoax, Milburn, her family, and her attorney are going to great lengths to pull it off. Yes, her complaint likely paints what happened in a light quite favorable to her, and unfavorable to the police. But I’d be very surprised if the major components of the complaint weren’t true.


This happened two years ago. Why are you posting about it now?


The incident happened in August 2006. The lawsuit was filed in August of this year. Milburn’s attorney tipped off Houston Press reporter Chris Vogel, who wrote about the case yesterday. We saw Vogel’s story, and blogged about the case today.


This is just one version of events, from Milburn’s lawyer.


Yes, and I made that clear in the post. After I put up the post and talked to Vogel on the phone, he posted a response from the police officers’ lawyer, William Helfand. You can read that here.

Here’s what isn’t in dispute: Milburn was wrongly targeted during a prostitution raid. The police were looking for white prostitutes. Milburn is black. She was apprehended by plain-clothes narcotics officers who emerged from a van as she stood outside her home. She resisted. The police have acknowledged they targeted the wrong house.

Three weeks later, Milburn was arrested at her school, in front of her classmates, for “assaulting a public official.” At some point, her father was arrested on a similar charge. The judge declared a mistrial on the first day of Milburn’s trial. According to Vogel, she’s scheduled to be tried again in February.

Milburn and her family are now suing the police officers who apprehended her. They claim she was severely beaten during the raid. According to the compliant, two hours after the raid, Milburn’s parents took her to a hospital, where doctors documented a host of nasty injuries.

I haven’t seen documentation of the hospital stay or the injuries, but if that’s all included in the complaint, I would assume it exists.

I called the Galveston police department and the Galveston district attorney’s office for comment. I haven’t yet heard back from either.


Milburn has profiles on social networking sites that say she’s 17. That means she would have been 15 at the time of the raid, not 12.


I won't link to a minor’s social networking page, particularly a minor who may have been the victim of abuse. She doesn’t need a bunch of crazies trying to contact her. Use Google, or check the comments if you’re interested, but yes, she does state in one of her profiles that she’s 17.

My guess is that Milburn exaggerated her age, as teenage girls sometimes do on the Internet. This high school track and field results page says she was born in 1993. If her birthday falls later in the year than August, she would have been 12 at the time of the raid, as indicated in the complaint.


If it’s true, why hasn’t an outrageous story like this been picked up by the national media?


Why don’t 90 percent of the abuses of power we look at on this site get covered by the national media? The lawsuit was filed in August of an election year. A single instance of police misconduct in Galveston at that time would have quite a few other stories to compete with. As to why the story wasn’t covered in 2006, Vogel tells me the raid took place in a low-income neighborhood. I would guess that after a traumatic experience like that, and after the seemingly retributive arrest, the family was either too frightened to take their story to the media, or couldn’t get anyone to listen when they did.

I’ll post more information on this case as we learn of it.

Onward and upward,
airforce

"I've been outraged by every single one of these incidents I've reported. But some of them are so outrageous, they take my breath away. This is one of them.

To be fair, though, I've only heard one side of the story. I really hope there's more to this. If there is, I'll post it here.

Onward and upward,
airforce"


I hope their side is a Drastic difference!
It has to stop, and people have to be held accountable for their action no matter what position they hold.

I have always believed that all Law Enforcement, Government Agency, and our Military should be held to a much higher standard. A code of Morals & Ethics should be burned into the back of their heads so the guy behind them in line has something to read!

"Setting a good example is s far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms"

I have received nothing yet from the Galveston district attorney or or police department. However, the attorney for the officers involved in this incident, William helfland, sent me an email reiterating what he said earlier:

I won't comment on this response. It's not because I don't have a comment, but because I make it a policy not to use profanity here at AWRM.

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airforce

Appropriate actions by the punks!! Sounds about right to me!! SOP at it's best!! They just haven't hit the right one YET!!!!!!!!

News and video here.

The vicious beast was a 2-year-old Dalmatian.

It’s the second time in 10 days that cops in Gwinnett County have forced their way into the wrong home.

Ironically, that\'s not the only story about a murdered dog in Gwinnett, Georgia, today.

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airforce

Patriot

Yes they have not hit the right one YET but they WILL if they don’t change their attitude toward the People they supposedly serve, yea right serve. And at the rate these Incidents are occurring it will not be that long before they do hit someone who will hit back.

airforce

You know how I feel about dogs and what I stated above also goes for the dog murdering Cops.

Anyone who kills one of my loved ones or my dog and I do not get justice via the System will receive my Justice.

These murdering cops are pushing their luck, the odds are not on their side and every time they do this they are rolling the dice and someday they will lose big time.

It is stated that the Square parasail type Parachutes have a Failure Rate of 1 in 300 deployments. So every time you jump out of a perfectly good aircraft the odds are 1/300 and keep getting worse that your main chute will fail. The thing with these raids is we don’t know what the odds are but considering what I know about people it should not be very much longer before cops do hit the wrong person and pay the price.

And it is a sure thing that the cops will blame everyone but themselves for this happening and call the person getting revenge a rotten cop killer.

Cop shoots dog in drug raid. Bullet goes through dog, hits DEA agent.

Dog and agent are expected to recover. No charges have been filed against the homeowner.

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airforce

Wow! A dog and a pig with one round! I need me some of them bullets.

It's always good to hear that one of our faithful, loyal public servants are able to heroically pull through a gunshot wound.


What?


No, I mean the DOG. He was the only public servant there!

Here's three more.

A 19-year-old Missouri woman could get 30 years after shooting at police on a marijuana raid (her parents were apparently dealers) last month. She too says she thought the home was being robbed.

And in one we missed from last November, police in Woodhaven, Michigan raided and trashed the wrong home while looking for a narcotics suspect, finding instead a 25-year-old woman who had just gotten out of the shower.

And in Las Vegas, 32-year-old Emmanuel Dozier is in j...oting and wounding three police officers , also during a narcotics raid.

Dozier also says he thought his home was being robbed. His girlfriend, Belinda Saavedra, was on the phone with 911 at the time of the raid.

Police insist they had the right house (Dozier has a prior arrest record in California), but found no drugs in the home. They did, however, find Saavedra’s children. The Las Vegas Review-Journal ran a spot-on editorial about the last raid:

For all of the “wrong-house” raids we write about, even when police get the right house, these raids force a volatile confrontation with a high potential for error. There have been about a half dozen cases of police officers getting killed or wounded on drug raids in just the last few months. These tactics make warrant service more dangerous for everyone, including cops.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Another one from Gwinnett County, Georgia:

It’s the second wrong-door raid in Gwinnett County in two months.

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airforce

Police in Howard County, Maryland c... two police cars burglarized last month.

They found nothing, but they did shoot and kill Hasenei’s Australian cattle dog. The police say the no-knock raid and tactical entry were necessary because Hasenei is a (legal) gun-owner.

Sounds like they need more training.

He wasn’t arrested.

So the police say they used a no-knock and a tactical team to secure the place quickly because they knew Hasenei was a gun owner. Yet Hasenei was able to get up from bed, walk out from his bedroom, and enter his living room before making his first contact with the tactical team. Which shows that all they really succeeded in doing was to provoke a potentially violent confrontation with a guy who at the moment looks to be innocent of any crime.

It’s a good thing he didn’t grab one of his guns on his way out of the bedroom.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I am repeating myself but If anyone kills my dog they will die, No Ifs, Ands or Buts.

I will state this anyone who feels that after the Civil War there should Not Be A Purge of our Enemies is NO PATRIOT.

Every Cop who has ever abused his power, or enforced Unconstitutional Laws, or violated the Rights of the People in anyway or has fought against the People in the Civil War needs to be Purged, with no mercy. And the same goes for everyone up their chain of command.

We just had a cop killed when he stepped out in traffic...

I had met him he seemed like a decent guy... that said every since all I have heard is how thankful we all should be to have LEO's to protect us and how hard and dangerous their job is.

Then I hear how we should always give them the benefit of any doubt.

When this hero worship starts in the media,and I begin to feel for the rest of these clowns.

I come back to this thread and reread all of it. I am sorry that some good guys get killed but sorry LEO's thats your job.

Your no hero's, real hero's never want the recognition. They just do what they should to the best of their ability.


What you see in these 5 pages is thugs hiding behind badges... No hero's here.

See reading this works, I'm pissed again.


P.S. What ever happened to Billy Miller the gulf war Vet

I stay pissed Greywolf!! Too much going on i guess!! I got to go with Snipe on his last post!! He's got it right!! It would have been nice to have had a full auto M60 when he walked into the living room!! I'll bet no one would have knocked him anywhere!!!

From Toledo, Ohio:

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airforce

Kansas City, police and FBI use flashbangs with two children inside the house[/b]. Gee, what can go wrong?

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airforce

and the raids just keep coming!!!!

The Dakota County Attorney has conc...ion of a man who had done nothing wrong.

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airforce

[b]Comedy Central[/b] has a bit on botched raids here.

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airforce

This one is from Chattanooga, Tennessee:

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airforce

I think a nice Coral Snake placed in a drawer or someplace interesting would convince some cops to be more careful in who they mess with.

And Large Bear Traps are useful for more then just Bears.

A little powdered Lye on toilet seats can work wonders for someone assigned a desk job.

Here\'s one from Murfreesboro, Tennessee:

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airforce

And this one from Jeffersonville, Indiana.

Several police departments were fanning the area after the recent shooting of two police officers after a robbery. The woman grabbed a gun, thinking the cops were criminal intruders. Fortunately, they didn’t kill her.

They did, however, trigger a heart attack, requiring open heart surgery. We’ve seen this happen quite a few times in the past. When a cop goes down, other cops seem to think the Fourth Amendment, police procedures, and laws against excessive force no longer apply. They do.

Onward and upward,
airforce

A Florida deputy accidentally shot a woman during a drug raid. Details are pretty sparse right now. When I find out more, I'll post it here.

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airforce

Unarmed college student shot in chest during raid. We now know the shot was fired by one of the officers.

The police haven’t yet said what if any drugs they found, or why the officer fired his weapon.

A police spokesman did assure the community that this was an “isolated incident.”

No, I’m not kidding.

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airforce

Oh well, if it was just an isolated incident no big deal. a young college student has just been killed for no reason but not to worry.

I am sure his parents and family are relieved to hear it was just an accident.

Grand Valley State students held a ...is off-campus apartment Wednesday night.

Kopp was unarmed, and according to police accounts, there was no struggle or fight. According to the Grand Rapids Press, Kopp is a film and video major, and identifies himself on his Facebook page as "a left-wing hippie peace-keeping liberal."

Just the sort of person that SWAT raids were made for. :rolleyes:

Thus far, the Ottawa County Sheriff's Department has said only that the raid was part of a drug investigation, and that Kopp was shot by one of its deputies. They haven't said what drugs they were looking for, what probable cause they had against Kopp, what if any drugs they found, or why Kopp was shot in the chest.

Also on Wednesday, police in Pinellas County, Florida say they accidentally shot 45-year-old Brenda McKay shortly after tearing down her door during a drug raid. McKay was shot in the thigh, and is expected to be okay. Police made no arrests after that raid.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This shit really pisses me off. How did them cops ever get considered "qualified" to carry a gun anyway? You would think that these cops would have some sort of training on when to start shooting, but it sounds like they don't have the discretion of a 3 year old.

It sounds like they just like to shoot their guns so they can feel big. Do they take scalps to wear on their belts too? Afterward do they sit around the proverbial campfire and boast about who was the toughest and who could kill the most babies before their conscience started to bother them?

I think its time for Americans to tell them we won't take anymore of their bs, and back it up with some firepower.

If police had arrested McKay, they would have been financially responsible for here health and well being. (read medical bills)

Derek Copp’s father spoke to the press, and says his son was shot when he moved his arm to cover his eyes from the police flashlights as they came into his apartment. That would be consistent with the police account that Copp was unarmed, and that there was no confrontation.

It was also be another piece of evidence showing the idiocy of using such violent, confrontational police tactics for nonviolent offenses. These raids have a low margin for error, for cops and the people they’re targeting. Look over the more than 170 posts in this topic; It's like I keep rehashing the same raid over and over.

The bullet apparently broke Copp’s rips, ruptured his right lung, and punctured his liver. The Copp family didn’t hear about the shooting until six hours after it happened. Even then they were told by hospital staff, not police. The police also still haven’t released why they raided Copp’s apartment, what if any illegal substances they found, or why one deputy felt the need to shoot the guy.

It seems pretty clear by now that Copp was a recreational pot smoker; there’s no indication thus far that he was dealing (not that that would justify shooting an unarmed man).

The Grand Rapids Press apparently t...’s Facebook account for drug references. No, I don't know why. But that's another rag I'll never subscribe to.

Onward and upward,
airforce

CATO has got a great webpage devoted to this topic.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/#

Some things for us to pay close attention to are the mistakes these JBT squads are making. Sometime its just a simple mistake as tripping on your partner's foot and you end up shooting him in the back by accident. Stupid little mistakes can end up turning into huge problems, especially with CQB. Study it and practice.

The mistake these squads are making is using violence to enforce a nonviolent law.

These raids are inherently high-risk. You can have the most highly trained, best-equipped SWAT team in the world, but you can never make these raids completely safe. Sooner or later, the law of averages will catch up with you.

The solution is, don't use these paramilitary tactics unless the situation calls for it. If you are attempting to take a serial killer into custody, then by all means bust down the door at night. But if you're looking for some guy who might have some dope, a simple knock on the door should suffice.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Another double puppycide , this time in Buffalo. Police were looking for hydrocodone. They didn't find any.

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airforce

FUCKING NO GOOD WORTHLESS COCKSUCKING BASTARDS!

I say we go start shooting cops dogs. Hey the bible does preach a dog for a dog right?

Since the Oakland SWAT killings, the LEOs around these parts are afraid to enter homes that might have guns...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

I'm wondering if the Magistrate that signed the warrent has even read this?

huh, that's funny. I think criminals are afraid of the same thing!

They shot someone's dogs over some fucking Vicodin?

Livingston, Illinois woman claims t...d ordered her to the ground at gunpoint. They apologized after realizing they had raided apartment 1 instead of apartment 10.

She claims $20,000 in medical bills.

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airforce

Officer trips, accidentally shoots a man in the chest during a drug raid in New Jersey.

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airforce

The police officer who shot Grand V...th the negligent discharge of a firearm. It’s nice to see him held accountable. But the problem is the policy of sending police into private homes with their guns drawn to enforce consensual crimes.

Until that policy changes, we’ll continue to see incidents like this one. Charging the cops or homeowners who make mistakes under such volatile circumstances isn’t going to change anything. We need to stop putting both parties in such a position.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Customs officer sues after a wrong-door immigration raid on his home.

The Slaughters are suing each of the five officers for $500,000.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Wrong door raid in Baltimore.

Weeks later, the guy still can’t get the city to repair his door. Their explanation is that because the address written on the warrant is the address the police raided, there was no mistake. Even though the guy they were actually after lived and was eventually arrested two doors down.

Ah, but it gets worse. If it’s not the cops, it’s the bureaucrats. The guy stored his old door in his backyard, hoping the city would eventually repair it. When it became clear that wasn’t going to happen, he called the city’s special trash pick-up to come and get it. They never did. But a city code inspector did come, and fined the guy $50 for having a broken door in his backyard.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Another wrong-door raid in Columbus. Article and video here.

At least they didn't shoot any puppies or people this time.

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airforce

Im really suprised with all of the no knock warrents and the fact that they dont identify themselves that more SWAT temas down get mowed down in the doorway. Any explanation? I know that if a bunch of armed guys kicked in my door without identify that they were police they would get the full 30 rounds of 5.56 from me.

How they hell can anyone tell the police from the 'bad guys?'
Well I know that Ill be getting more then one comment for the above line but you know what I mean.

Tyranny triumphs when resistance is nonexistent

Well, here\'s an official explanation I haven\'t heard before.

Overcast skies??!!

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airforce

Now I have heard everything.

Overcast skies. *sigh They want all the latest toys that go bang, they're out to right the world of evil things like Larador retrievers, they claim they are "the law" and yet the morons aren't smart enough first to have a flashlight or turn on the inside light in the patrol car, or ****GASP** have to step OUT of the vehicle, walk all the way to the front and use the headlights to clearly read the address

I guess the "swamp gas, reflecting light off of venus, it was a weather ballon or training excercise" excuse doesn't work anymore so they thought overcast skies might

Well, at least the sun wasn't in their eyes. :rolleyes:

Onward and upward,
airforce

Here\'s one from Montgomery County, Maryland. The raid actually happened in 2005 but, because of the lawsuit, we're only now hearing about it.

Right.

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airforce

The July 10 CATO podcast features Berwyn Heights mayor (and botched raid victim) Cheye Calvo speaking on SWAT raids and the War on Drugs. About ten minutes, and well worth your time.

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airforce

An elderly couple who were subjected to a wrong-door raid have filed a lawsuit.

This was the raid where the husband asked if he could go out to restrain his dog. The police said no, then went out and killed it.

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airforce

They should not be suing for 5 Million they should be suing for at least 10 Million.

I hope it is people like that couple who will be sitting on the Tribunal that the Police will have to stand in front of.

And I will restate that IF ANYONE KILLS MY DOG they will not live very long after that.

The only way this will ever stop, short of a Revolution would be if these Counties, Towns and Cities which employ these scum lose large enough Law Suits that they are Bankrupted.

The City of Central Falls Rhode Island had to take out a Bond due to the Police losing a Law Suit, and the City of East St. Louis at least I believe it was East St. Louis, turned over the Police Station to a person who won a Large Suit against the City.

Botched raid lawsuit settled for $30,000.

This is the case where the county initially offered free movie passes as compensation.

Though the raid happened three years ago, the settlement comes just a little over a month after the raid was written up in the local media. Funny how that works.

Onward and upward,
airforce

It's a shame that the taxpayers wind up paying the bills - most jurisdictions don't even count payments like that out of agency budgets.

It's about time that the officers themselves who screw up pay for it. No more qualified immunity, when they screw up (and their supervisors, training officers, chief of police, mayor) they pay for it.

If I screw up with a patient I'd get sued - personally. Even though I usually work at a government run facility (county, university hospital). You can be sure that my colleagues and I go out of our way not to make mistakes. Why not expect the same from law enforcement?

The number of 'accidental' raids will rapidly approach ZERO, once bubba looses his house and pickup.

This is not meant to inflame anyone's sense of pride in how they train. This is merely a realistic answer to a good question.

The reason nobody is shooting back is because the Police perform an Ambush. They hit you while your sleeping. They hit you when you come home. They hit you when they know you won't be ready. They hit you with overwhelming force. They are far more highly trained in CQB. Unless you are a HSLD operator you have zero chance of survival.

If a person were to set up an early warning system using simple seismic sensors triggering an alarm or even motion detection and some cameras. The ability of the police to raid your house would be far lower.

With the exception of a few most militia guys have no clue what they are doing. They don't spend the time that is required to have the speed and skill necessary to shoot a thug attacking them on the street much else a High speed death squad.

It takes some serious skill to fight off an 8-12 man death squad. Even if you have 8-12 men. Playing army and infantry tactics won't get it done. In fact I don't think too many people with massive military experience have what it takes to defeat a SWAT team.

I know many HSLD people. Some from Vietnam, Most from Iraq and Afgahnistan. Some from other countries and some couldn't even tell me who they were. The topic of what do you do when the SWAT teams come for you always comes up. The answer is always comply with them or fortify and plan the E&E. It's never take out the opposing force.

There is a serious lack of strategy in thinking you will ever win or really even damage a death squad. You "Cannot" fight a superior force on their terms. You must "always" fight them on yours.

Either fortify your house or be smart about it and learn to escape and evade anything. This idea that anyone is ever going to last more than 2 seconds (litterally) in a fight against elite forces is insane. It's not going to happen without some serious planning. In the end you better have an E&E plan or you will eventually lose through attrition.

It's a valid question which many people have had including myself. Like was said earlier they don't go into houses where they might get shot. These are ambushes which are designed to make sure you lose.

What you do to protect yourself against unlawful home invasions before they happen is the key. Hollywood training practices need to stop and people need to get serious about protecting themselves. This applies to the military, police, Militia, and concerned citizens.

BunnyFluffer

Since I Rent there is not much I can do to slow an Entry Team down.

But if I owned my own place there is a lot I could do and I am not referring to using death traps since that would be Illegal.

Things that could be done range from simply disorienting them like by using Multiple High Watt Second Photoflashes or Covering the Floor with a large number of Marbles or large Ball Bearings.

Also a large hole in the floor covered by a Rug would create a little havoc for an Entry Team.

Also having a steel door frame and door would slow them down and if the steel door was the bedroom door the Entry Team would be at an extreme disadvantage and if after they entered the house a door automatically closed behind them I have a feeling they would not be very happy.

There are a lot of things that can be done, limited by how much money you have and how much time and effort you want to put into it.

And I am only referring to the Non-violent and legal things.

If you want to go all the way that I will leave to everyones imagination.

BunnyFluffer

Now the Absolute Best Way to deal with Swat is simply not to be home when they come through the Door.

And if you are really ticked and don't want to just escape but to get payback then you want to be across the street behind cover and concealment and be properly armed, preferably with a few good fellow Patriots. Ambush the Ambushers.

I applaud your efforts for thinking about the right strategy. The tactics need some work though.

I know not to step into a room without checking my footing. Chances are since most houses they RAID are methlabs the place is full of garbage and not very tidy. I think they have figured out about checking their footing since I was taught this by a former SWAT member.

They are not going to stack up on the door. They will come through windows and walls. You also have to live in this house. I don't think these are very practical ideas. I would probably break my hip every morning.

Steel doors even commercial are not problem for the police. They will use a Rabbit tool or simply smash the lock with a sledge hammer. If it's a really secure door they will just tear the wall off. They learn all this from firefigther who are experts in demolition of secure doors quickly. Time added to entry is less than 2 seconds. But that would buy you 2 seconds maybe even 4 if they did not know you had a steel door on the bedroom. But since they would come through your window it's not likely your door would matter.

After the Rabbit tool destroys your door it won't close behind them either. Not sure what purpose is served by locking them in a house with you?

For the sake of the impressionable minds please state that it is your imagination and not proven tactics which you are sharing.

I think I made the point in my post that it was completely possible to slow them down. However if you try to do this to the military you will have your house leveled or set on fire like in Waco. Trapping is only good to buy you time to Escape and evade. Even then these people are not nearly as stupid as some would like to believe. They encounter traps and fortifications every day on the job. They know what they are doing.

One proven tactic is to not put on any identifying documents or register with ANYONE public or private where you really live.

Route everything through a mail service using the address you register with the government. Live somewhere-anywhere-else anon. This may require a lowered standard of living. If you have family they too must have this mindset burned into them-like on the same level as wearing clothes-or your efforts will fall apart.

There are other measures but I don't want to give al kada any insight...

Do as many things as you can to make each JBT say "WTF!?" I call these 'WTF factors.' The more WTF factors you can put in their way, the better. Not just conventional booby-traps, but things like manakins, silhouettes, or even posters in every room. See how many rounds they shoot off thinking that Lord of the Rings poster is a badguy. Put large mirrors on the walls so they see their own reflection and start firing. Put as much large heavy furniture in their way. Block doorways and windows with it. Create false 'last stand barricades.' Hang sheets and tarps from the ceiling to impair their vision. Rig up dummy explosives everywhere and create a spiderweb of "trip cords."

The whole purpose of the 'WTF factors' is to disrupt their SOP. They've trained and trained and trained to operate in a certain away, under certain assumptions. They're trained to operate hard and fast. If they keep getting slowed down by random unpredictable bullcrap in their way, they lose a lot of their momentum and confidence.

All the while they're stumbling around in your fun-house, you're safe and sound elsewhere.

This will stop most LEO from finding you only because they don't have the resources to look that hard. A Private Investigator or Bounty hunter is going to find you unless you ditch your entire past including family.

Still this is good advice because it makes it that much harder to find you. If somebody knows where you are or I have enough information about your habbits. I will find you. Everyone leaves a huge trail to follow. It's the sad reality of our species. In the woods or in the city we leave huge trails that are highly personalized. Minimizing this using things like your suggestion will slow them down considerably.

I agree with the WTF factors. This works anywhere you are being followed. A professional tracker will always find you. There is no way to defeat them. Even under water Scent hounds can and will find you.

Counter Tracking is similar to the WTF factors. You cover your trail enough to make a tracker stop and think WTF? where did he go. He will find your trail but it might take him 20 minutes to get back on it.

The problem with doing this to your house is that you must still live there. All of this must be set up in advance. I would do something like this to my hide out where I know I am being followed. Probably not to my house but it would most definately work if you wanted to do it to your house.

Drug dealers have been building steel reinforced cages in the door ways to stop the Haligan and Rabit tool dynamic entry. When the door is smashed there is a wall of steel to stop them. They just started going through windows. So the drug dealers started reinforcing the windows. So SWAT started pulling the entire side of the house off. So the drug dealers just started reinforcing the entire house.

The reason for the reinforcement was not to keep them out permanately. It was to slow them down so they could destroy the evidence. Where there is a will there is a way.

A smart team covers all the exits. So you better be out before they come to get you if you want a chance to escape.

I can tell you how to avoid this kind of BS no-knock crap. However, I was banned from AR15.com for posting it.

well I am sure they wont ban you here or even shun you lol go on and say it....

Tips from a 'friend':

1. If you're building a new home, the only choice for construction material is LITE FORM. 6-8" reinforced concrete walls with steel doors will certainly delay entry, especially when the concrete is 'hidden' under vinyl siding.

2. 1/4" plywood with 2" nails (pungy spikes) placed unseen on the floor beneath windows.

3. Thin high-strength trip wires across hallways with more pungy spikes on the floor.

4. Doors that open onto dead ends or disguised as closets.

5. Use the same house number as your neighbor.

6. Put your house number on your garage, and an unassigned number on your house.

7. If your assigned house number is 1313 mockingbird lane, complete all forms with 1313-1/2 mockingbird lane. It'll buy you a few minutes.

8. Get a mailbox in a neighboring town and have all of your mail delivered there.

Friend also advised that you remember a few swat teams weakenesses.

Kevlar will stop bullets. It will NOT stop arrows, knives, or spears. A post hole driver loaded with an inch and a half sharpened oak stake will penetrate several vests when propelled by 8 ounces of black powder. A wicked surpise for those 'stacked' vests.

Same surprise loaded with steel balls and a chain do wonders to knees and ankles.

Swat teams wear no armor on the back side of their extremities.

Kevlar will melt if it gets to close to combustible chemicals and a source of ignition.

Yard, porch and window decorations that say, "front toward enemy" can be deterrents.

Strobe lights inside a home can be distracting as can a loud recording stating that, "You have entered a DHS safe house. Please leave the building and wait for Emergency Response Team outside." or "Self destruct will begin 30 seconds. Self destruct will begin in 25 seconds..."

Video cameras will allow you to relive the moment for years to come.

Kevlar doesn't melt, it burns to ash. Its the same stuff as Nomex. I had a piece of kevlar (spall blanket in an M113) that I was going to do a demo on once....all that was left was a fine brown ash.

Here's a not-so-flattering story about a NJ cop:

http://cbs3.com/local/officer.robert.melia.2.706410.html


N.J. Officer Allegedly Performed Sex Acts On Cows
Previously Charged With Sexual Assault On 3 Girls

Moorestown Patrolman Robert Melia of Moorestown was arrested without incident on April 12 and charged with aggravated sexual assault of three juvenile females.

More charges have been filed against a Burlington County police officer who was recently charged with sexually assaulting three girls.

Authorities announced Moorestown Officer Robert Melia Jr., 38, has been charged with four counts of animal cruelty after allegedly engaging in sex acts with cows between June and December of 2006.

Melia and his former girlfriend, Heather Lewis were previously charged with three counts of aggravated sexual assault and one count of criminal sexual contact with three girls in his Pemberton home from 2003 until 2006.

Melia is being held on $510,000 bail.

The sample I had melted, or at least the outer cover melted once it was sprayed with gas and lit. Perhaps mine wasn't true Kevlar?

A good Flechettes load like the ones offered by FMCO will penetrate a vest and I believe that 12 gauge Brenneke slugs will also. Of the two I would chose the Slug.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

1. You won't know their coming.

2. You will be hiding in the bushes and they will be setting up a perimeter with you in it.

3. They have full auto and in almost every case better training.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

You guys are hard core. I would never live in a house that would kill me and my family just so that I can avoid the very unlikely chance of a SWAT team coming to get me.

Once again I must bring back reality into this situation.

SWAT teams are not stupid. Most of the above tactics would not work on a burglar much else a SWAT team.

SWAT Teams use level 3 or level 4 plates front and rear.

SWAT teams will not be fooled easily by moving your house numbers. Your garage is obviously not the house they have the floor plans too.

Vests that police use are no longer kevlar. Most of them are using far more advanced composite materials. It also takes a tremendous about of heat to melt 39 layers of kevlar.

I would like to see you guys start trying these tactics you are saying would work. It should not be promoted publically if you have not tried it. Because that is how people get killed.

I am not trying to be a troll. I am trying to save lives by dispelling the bad information people seem to be getting.

Keep in mind every SWAT team will have different gear, different tactics, and almost universally better training than the average militia. They also have Full auto's in almost all cases.

I know this can be done but why? It's so much easier to escape and evade. Your in a losing battle if they sent SWAT in after you your days are numbered. There are so many cases of prepard people getting taken down by stupid tactics.

Maybe the cover....kevlar is a thread-like product that can be twisted into bigger threads/yarns for fabrics. It doesn't really have a 'cover' but in use (as in body armor) the layers are encased in a plastic envelope to keep the kevlar clean and dry.

Most 'SWAT' teams don't deserve the title. Thanks to fed.gov handing out tons of taxpayer money every Mayberry department got funding to create their very own 'swat' team - they got superhypertacticool black clothes (which is why 5.11 makes sizes up to 5XL), body armor, fully auto weapons (the MP5 is a fav), radios, etc.

Once they bought all those toys, some even had money left over to get some training at FLETC.

However, most of that money is long gone, and the departments don't have the budget to maintain the equipment (radios, vehicles) or buy ammo, much less send Bubba and Bubba and Billy to school to maintain the training, or send the FNG's to school. So, the various Barny Fifes get to reinforce each others bad habits, spread bad info, and ignore niceties like getting the right address on a warrant (or finding it when they try to serve the warrant).

While Big-city teams are better, and some drug joint task forces (in wealthy, high-tax base counties or regions) have adequate training budgets and facilities, most don't. I don't want to have to face any of them, but I don;'t think they're invulnerable: I occasionally see the individual officers in my ED after they screw up - and it's them making a mistake far more often than the alleged bad guy hurting them.

As far as body armor goes, it's not necessary to 'melt' kevlar (or spectra or twaron, or whatever the miracle fabric de jour is - it's all some form of aramid)to get past it. I have no idea what point you were trying to make there.

Some of the tactics mentioned will at least slow down and disorient any attacker. There are others that can be used, too. G. Gordon Liddy espoused one way of dealing with armored police back in the 80's on his radio show.

This would me far more ideal but far less likely at the same time-unless you live in certain urban war zones...

One certain way of defending against a well equipped team of urban marauders is a neighborhood wide defense; if they come in with seemingly overwhelming numbers you have at least one or two people to raise the alarm-a phone tree or even do a Paul Revere with a whistle or bell.

Every house in the neighborhood that has watchmen will have rifle-proof shooting positions at positions far from the windows. These ballistic barriers can be camoflaged inside cabinets and such. Watchmen will have what high powered rifles at the ready. Certain locations may have more...

Wherever the raid goes neighborhood watchmen on standby grab their rifles and get into the proper positions. As the urban marauders step out they take random gunfire from multiple angles as they form up for a home invasion. If other weapons are available they would be used of course. The marauders may have additional reinforcements in a perimeter encircling the targeted home and may rush to the rescue. If they remain on station the person whose house is being raided has a better chance of escaping. He's lost that home anyway.

Always shoot at the criminal with the scoped rifle first!

This sadly requires several people in your neighborhood to be ready at all times to repel intruders, because you'd never have your full neighborhood watch group around... got to work, shop.

We all talk trash about SWAT, but do any of you know where your local SWAT Live (Their office and training areas. Then you could see who they are. What is their training level, and where thy keep the weapons for that unlikely day you may need them.

Watch the movie Speed to get a good idea of what is possible.

And just think of how a Patriot can make use of a couple of Relays and a Pendent Switch.

Judging by how often they get the wrong house, I'd say this isn't the case.

The feds this time:

Well, you kinda hope the feds wouldn't intentionally target the wrong apartment. At least there's this:

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In a case I first posted on September 24, 2008, the family of Darryl P. Ross has now filed a lawsuit for his shooting death .

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I think these cops are spending way more time in Cover Your Ass class than Do it Right class at the police academy.

Here\'s another wrong-door raid from Washington, D.C.

David and Allyson Kitchel tell local TV station WJLA that MPDC police recently raided their home looking for a suspect wanted on weapons charges. They say the raid caused $3,000 in damage. The Kitchels bought the home from the suspect’s family 18 months ago. Police apparently raided the home after getting an address from the suspect’s mother, but didn’t bother to check public records to see if the house had been sold.

The Kitchels say when they asked the city to compensate them for the damage, they were declined. The city explained that “the warrant was authorized and valid,” and that “MPD officers determined there was sufficient probable cause.”

So I guess as long as all the proper procedures were followed, the physical damage to the house is all in the Kitchels’ imagination. Good thing they don’t have an imaginary dog, too.

I suspect that now that the Kitchels’ story has hit the media, they’ll eventually be compensated. But it makes you wonder how many times this sort of thing happens in less affluent parts of the city, where residents are less likely to have their stories covered by the local news.

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Yep, that one is a clear abuse of the authority of the warrant when they take a battering ram to a door at the rear of the house when the owner clearly has the keys and identifies herself to the officers at the front of the house.

You see that in transition neighborhoods where the yuppies buy in places that used to be bad, and the cops and courts see a sharp drop in "business" but they are the same doorkicker breed and mentality that did crime suppression during the crack war years. They long for the good ol days, figure everyone is lying to them and or on dope, trying to scam something or another, so their job is to go into the neighborhood and suppress it.

Lacking serious crime, they create crime, but people get wise to that, so they come up with this new "war on guns" where they can get a dope dealer who quit the dope business but probably still keeps a gun or two around for protection. Then some incident happens like this with the yuppies and change comes with some lawsuits and social retaliation. Usually it means some serious messages from local real estate interests who are making bank from the stuff going up in value and the rehab house flippers who flip houses every year or two.

Same sorts of things were happening in much of Portland until very recently. In fact, they are even changing the signs on the "Tactical command operations center" police station to something more socially acceptable. No more rifle racks in the cars, more bike patrols, less squad cars, more of those unmarked cars. No more of the armored vehicles being used to serve search warrants either.

Another wrong-door raid , this one in Tennessee. Police enter the wrong side of a duplex, throw the residents to the floor at gunpoint, and manage to handcuff a recovering cancer patient. Then they scratched off a part of the address on the duplex to cover their mistake.

They finally did get their vicious criminal. He was selling pot.

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Deputies visit the wrong house, kill the dog. Not really a "raid," but the puppycide qualifies it.

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The concept of SWAT to deal with active shooters,hostage situations,and other immediate and extreme threats to life is sound.

However,enter the 'war on drugs'.Despite the necessity for the first prohibition to actually be legitimized by an actual amendment to the Constitution,and the lesson it should have taught as to its failure and the fact that violence increased by hundreds of times over when we created an illicit market for criminals to thrive off of,we have been violating the individual right to choose to be a crackhead for over 4 decades now.
It has done nothing but create extreme burdens on people caught in the middle-the average American,not to mention the burden on Liberty it imposes with forfeiture laws,skyrocketing incarceration rates,and the actual cost of this illegitimate 'war' in terms of taxation to fund it.

SWAT teams,once considered a necessity only for dealing with extreme situations, started financing their operations past the initial government grants by asset forfeiture laws.They now kick in doors for the money found in drug dealers' possession.
They kick in doors for cash.

"Hell,if the dopers get to profit from their crime,why shouldn't the police?" Say the misguided statists among us.

This has ushered in a whole new era of corruption.Rather than lone rouge cops or groups of rouge cops acting on individual proclivities of racism or greed outside the limits of their recognized authority,they are now encouraged to find and seize property and money for themselves and their agencies.

This is a game changer.

Rather than actually being outside the law in acts of corruption,this is 'lawful' as per the bureaucracy.In order to 'crack down on crime',they have made crime profitable for the state.The entire concept is that the more seizures of money you make,the more toys you get and the more money you make.This is institutionalized corruption based on nothing less than materialistic greed,which establishes police as nothing less than government sanctioned mercenaries who use military tactics that endanger life well beyond the actual 'crime' they are acting on (if a REAL crime is actually being committed at all) in order to catch a payday.

This is unacceptable.

And now where is the incentive to actually reduce crime?
One could suppose,by the twist of logic that makes crime pay for the police,that the police themselves would not like to see a reduction in the type of crime they profit from.Nor would the state,which rakes in millions of dollars in seizures annually.
Logic would dictate that it would make sense to not actually win the 'war on drugs'; about as much sense as a gift shop owner who wouldn't want to provoke a reduction in tourism.

Why end a good thing?
Even if it is killing the Constitution.....



Its all about the bottom line,right?
All about the profit.

However,this profiteering from crime makes them nothing other than CRIMINALS.

We should never tolerate the use of such extreme force in our neighborhoods,no matter what kind of neighborhood-unless there is no alternative but to use such force because of a hostage,active shooter,or other actual deadly scenario.

Serving a drug warrant for cash is simply not that kind of scenario.


I appreciate the discussion on how to deal with SWAT teams.They have gotten out of control on a national level.

However,I believe we should look at the background and history of how things got to be this way.Its all about the 'war on drugs',or rather 'The un-Amended Prohibition'.We need to be active and attempt to lawfully rescind those laws that have created this situation.
Thats our first line of action,our first line of defense.
By ending the illicit market on drugs,we not only take away the windfall profits this has given to criminals,which has enabled obscure street gangs to become international threats and in turn has given them the finances to create multi-billion dollar organizations that can rival governments,
this will also end the police-profiteering and asset forfeiture that is so detrimental to our fundamental core values of property rights in America.

We must stop electing politicians who use tragedies and fear to manipulate and intimidate us into accepting the police state and all this nonsense.

We must remind them that the most deadly entity to innocent life by and large has always been a huge powerful government,not individual criminals.

We must remind them that this is America-and here we have the right to choose to ruin our own lives with drugs,and as long as we arent violating the rights of others,there is no law they can enforce to deter that aspect of our individual liberty.

The government does not have the authority to dismantle the Constitution in order to keep people from doing what they like with their own lives.'Keeping us safe' is no longer an acceptable guise for assailing Liberty in order to keep someone from being a dope addict.(Or to legitimize police profiteering from enforcing laws).


We end the war on drugs,we end asset forfeiture laws,and we will avoid whats coming next.


Because whats coming next will not be anything less than SWAT being used to enforce things like compliance with national ID,'hate speech' laws that destroy the first amendment and such.(Just wait till you read my opinion on the worst case scenario next,what an evil hatemonger I am....)

Thats how these things tend to progress,and History bears witness to this fact.Governments that have been given the power to 'crack down on' undesirable populations within a society often then turn around and use their newly minted authority to the detriment of the entire populace.
This concept is best exemplified by understanding the poem "First They Came..." by Pastor Martin Niemöller .

“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” Thomas Paine

If they can get away with using such force because Americans are too quick to write of the liberty of crackheads,then they will escalate and justify the same use of force against dissenters of tyrannical government.

And then-the only solution will be self sacrifice.

We will have to accept the role of political martyrdom.

With the power and will of the state and the weight of its huge bureaucracies behind it,and barring actual offensive operations against it,defenders will be forced into the practically suicidal position of making it more than a 'job' for these thugs with badges and guns-they will have to accept sacrificing their lives to take a few government sanctioned criminals to the grave with them,they will have to make every SWAT thug have to ask himself (or herself)-

"If I go out and do this to my fellow Americans tonight,will I be the next to die".

Make them question the reality of ever collecting their pensions.

Indeed,it may have already come to this.
Free citizens do not have to tolerate abuses of authority,no matter who these citizens are.
As long as government refuses to respect inalienable rights and seeks to enforce victim-less crime laws by victimizing citizens with military force in order to deprive them unjustly of their lives and property,and in order to assert itself over us in an unlawful,unconstitutional manner-we have a sacred duty to fight back the best we can.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson

I place my hope in the lawful process of the REPUBLIC ,in my fellow Americans' will and intelligence to determine the rightful place of government and the ever-louder demand that it be brought back to its proper Constitutionally proscribed role,but I am prepared and willing to die to resist tyranny.

Liberty or Death.

CATO Institute report

http://www.prisonplanet.com/militarized-swat-drug-raids-on-the-rise.html

Yeah, I know them all, and where they dwell. they taught me how to shoot. So well they would never think of an unannounced visit. I was one of those "troubled" kids that likes guns, doesn't have a good male role model, and a hot single Mom...
S

Quote of the year, from somebody named GeoffreyG:

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An elderly Polk County, Georgia woman is in the hospital after another wrong-door raid.

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Doesnt that make you feel just warm and fuzzy and safe and secure in your own home, how do you think they would react if we bust in there grandmothers or mothers doors with a dozen armed patriots, not to good if you ask me.I say buy grandma a 12 gauge and teach her to shoot through the door. COPS and JBT's are the real criminals and should be held accountable with prison sentences.SEMPER FI

Just so you know,I use to have a 98% approval rating for cops, but in the last 15 yrs or so it has dwindled to a big fat 0.I have absolutely no respect for the traitor hoar's period, There JUST NAZI PIGS they might start out with a real wish to serve but that disappears rather quickly, I'm telling you , You better not trust any of them,or you will pay dearly, They will turn on you in a minnesota minute, even family, and I could care less if I hurt some feelings. Oil and water DO NOT MIX

This was in Georgia, where the Kathryn Johnson and Jonathon Ayers cases--among others--occurred. They just don't learn, do they?

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here is an email Radley Balko recently received:

Ironic, isn't it?

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So you say all cops should be imprisoned?

So you say all cops should be imprisoned? [/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far, Though there are no doubt some deserving.
I would like to see the "standing army"of police disbanded. Eliminated in society, and the concept forgotten.
I doubt that would ever happen, It would require eliminating 99.8% of the useless and unnecessary laws on the books.
They are a drain on society and an ever constant threat to Liberty.

I agree. The army of SWAT teams should be disbanded and also the Federal police. There is no reason for the ATF and the FBI way out does their original mission.

Detroit JBT's do it again! Bust in a door and shoot an innocent 7 yr old girl to death! Way to go you NAZI JBT's, BURN IN HELL but first go through HELL. Another innocent life taken by incompetent butchers. Nothing less than a prison sentence is acceptable. SEMPER FI

You spelled NAZI wrong.

Other than that I agree with you 110%.

Why do you think we called them PIGS back in the 70s??

Like it or not theres a really simple way to get JUSTICE, to get EVEN.
Take the cops RESPONSIBLE whether it's one or 4 or the entire force.
Take them outside and SHOOT THEM.

Video the process and get the video to every lame ass police chief or sherrif in the USA. Send copies to DEA, ATF, FBI.

Woops,My bad

Tip of the hat to D308cat, who beat me to this terrible story .



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Recently in Richmond, a pastor was killed during a high-speed police chase when a vehicle involved in the chase crashed into the pastor's vehicle. Now the Mayor wants a ban on high-speed chases so that tragedies that like that don't happen.

We keep seeing trigger-happy roid-raging cops blowing away shitzus, toddlers, and grandmothers like it was going out of style. And yet nobody is banning these no-knock paramilitary SWAT raids. WTF?

Something like that happened here in Tulsa almost twenty years ago, when a teenager driving a stolen car killed three people while trying to elude police. All pursuits in Tulsa are now monitored by a supervisor, and pursuits are often called off if the danger seems too great.

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Isn'T that something how those pesky cop guns just GO OFF,For any one else its a shooting or murder but when a arrogant cop kills an innocent child the gun just go's off,The DA will probably charge the gun manufacturer,the family and the home or apartment owner and the murdering cop will get an award and a pat on the back with a (poor good little cop this must be so tuff for you) when is enough going to be enough?

A Film crew for A&E\'e reality seri... taping the SWAT team for a documentary. It looks like they got more than they bargained for.

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Another isolated incident, this time in Texas.

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That is crazy. How hard is it to find the right address. Whoever was in charge there should be fired. That can get people killed because if somebody comes in my house without permission I'm gonna open fire. Sure they might have announced themselves as police but anybody can say police. If I was gonna break into a house when I knew people were there I know I would.

Harder than you might think, apparently. I now have eight pages of these "isolated incidents."

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And this is no where near a complete list.
This is not even scratching the surface.

Rep. John Conyers has asked DOJ to investigate the death if seven-year-old Aiyana Jones. And he even cited Radley Balko, Cato, and reason magazine. (I guess it would have been a little too much for him to give credit to AWRM, but hey.)

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The family of [b]Isaac Singletary[/b] has been paid $200,000 for his wrongful death.

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The tenants were charged with "disorderly house."(??!!)

I thought I'd seen just about everything, but that's a new one on me.

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A coroner\'s inquest has cleared a ...illed an unarmed man during a drug raid. Det. Bryan Yant's gun may have gone off accidentally as he came through the bathroom door.

The inquest also highlighted errors in Yant's search warrant application. "Despite having a copy of Cole's California driver's license, complete with a physical description and date of birth," the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports, "Yant confused Cole with a Trevon Cole from Houston and California, who was seven years older, at least 3 inches shorter and 100 pounds lighter." Yant also erroneously claimed that the other Trevon Cole had a history of drug trafficking, when in fact his record was limited to possession charges. The Review-Journal reports that the same detective is "under investigation for apparently lying about drugs he didn't seize and actions he didn't take during a 2009 police raid that never happened."

The inquest jury, however, called the shooting justified, which is not surprising. In 200 police shootings since 1976, only one has resulted in a finding of criminal negligence.



The late Trevon Cole and his fiancee, who testified at the inquest. The Drug War Chronicle has more on this story here .

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Pregnant, unarmed woman shot during drug raid in Spokane, Washington.

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drug use/abuse should be a medical problem not crimnal. Half of all law enforcement and jail resources are used for drug control

I read more and more how they'd rather just shoot a person instead of using a little brain and brawn. Granted she shouldn't have ran but there are usually alternatives other than squeezing the trigger on their revolver

Police State Rules of Engagement, Judge - Jury - Executioner. We can't have unarmed pregnant women escaping out windows, can you imagine the rassing the JBT basterd would have gotten. Shoot first cover it up later and a nice pat on the back. SEMPER FI

Why let them? Every LEO has a bond. If instead of allowing them to get away based upon the Bond holder's investigation we start making claims to those bonds instead of suing the City, State, County, Federal Agency, we can get them off the streets. Once a LEO has a large claim on their Bond for wrongful death they are off the street, and generally out of work since the Bond holder will cancel them unless it can be proven to a jury that they acted correctly. Oh Shit! is not a defense for killing someone. I dropped my weapon and it went off is not either since they are trained on how to prevent that. Careless people should not wear, use, or carry a firearm in confrontations with the public. Thus no Surety Bonding Company is going to insure them. That makes them un-hireible by Incorporated Cities, Counties, and States, who will have to self-insure them.

From Cook County, Illinois :

Bonus points: The couple emigrated came to the U.S. from the Ukraine in the 1960's to escape Soviet oppression.

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Looks like it followed them here.

Out of the frying pan...

I like the part where the cop absolves himself of any responsibility. I think its his responsibility to learn how to read an address. Sue them into HELL where they belong. Sooner or later they will raid the wrong house and there will be a JBT massacre. SEMPER FI

What I really enjoyed watching was when the SWAT walking piles of pig excrement, really raid the WRONG House in the Movie Speed

SWAT Cops walk in, house goes Kaboom, no more house and no more SWAT Cops.

All The Kings Horses And All The Kings Men, Can't Put The SWAT Cops Back Together Again.

No can do my friend.

Every LEO is bonded and insured, in order to insulate him from personal responsibility.

Every LE Agency works directly, or contracts with a corporate entity, which creates yet another layer of insulation from personal responsibility.

The family will file a claim for monetary damages, and the corporation will have an insurance company issue any payment, adding yet another layer of insulation.

The Ukraine link is appropriately telling.

Well we have bring your parent to school days , and bring your child to work days, Now we need a follow a JBT home days, Start making lists, We are already on there lists, Really whats the difference, Blue helmets or shiny Badges, Same thing now a days. Everyone is a potential criminal to the JBT's and the JBT's are a potential criminal to everyone, that's just the way it is in a POLICE STATE. Your rights mean nothing to them!Proven over and over again. You will be held accountable for every action and they will walk away just about every time.We need a change in the law to hold Police accountable period, or its going to get way worse.Our troops are held to a much higher level even in a combat zone. If a Soldier shoots an unarmed pregnant woman jumping out a window he's going to Leavenworth. We could put a stop to this right now, That is a fact. But truly I think its just going to degrade into a free for all where no one wins. Just some thoughts. SEMPER FI

Anybody want to keep condemning Christopher Monfort?

Of course you could call it a failure of his that the Seattle PD did not get the point.

This one is from Montgomery, Alabama:

This happened last month, and they still haven't figured out the address on the warrant and the address on the door doesn't match????

As soon as I figure out what "big oozie gun" is, I'm going to get one.

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I say anyone entering a home with a mask on terrorizing women and children is guilty of criminal home invasion and should be shot on sight by the home owner and the rest of the neighborhood. How long are we going to put up with this REALLY? SEMPER FI to FREEDOM

After a little research I was shocked at how many federal laws are broken when the wrong house is raided,1st-Home invasion,2nd-as soon as the resident is detained in any way or cuffed it constitutes kidnapping (as described by federal law)3rd-committing a felony under the color of authority,4th-Child endangerment not to mention the numerus civil rights violations and constitutional protection violations, There must be accountability and prosecutions at the very least, or why should any citizen subject themselves to any law or any officer whatsoever? These are the basic principals that separate a civilized country and a Totalitarian POLICE STATE

Bill Scott
Bill ScottOctober 18, 2010 at 8:36pm
Subject: Open Letter to Coroner's Inquest Review Committee
"Our cops are out of control."

That's the statement I've heard most frequently from local citizens, since my son, Erik Scott, was shot and killed by three Las Vegas Metro Police Department officers on July 10th. Couple that with universal skepticism, expressions of disbelief and outrage voiced by Americans across the nation, who watched the recent coroner's inquest hearing into Erik's death, and any honest person will draw but one conclusion:

Citizens no longer trust Clark County's law enforcement public servants.

Although there are many contributing factors, that loss of trust is first and foremost a direct result of the coroner's inquest process as it exists today. Thousands of citizens across the United States, Europe and Australia, who watched Erik's inquest hearing on television and streamed video via the Internet, were shocked and angered by the unfairness and lopsided nature of that hearing. They couldn't believe the Clark County commissioners, sheriff, district attorney and coroner would embrace and support such a brazen affront to due process and justice.

Nevada citizens now understand that the current inquest process is nothing more than a transparent license to kill, because it never, ever holds Metro officers accountable for their actions. Where's the incentive for an officer to not shoot, when he knows there's absolutely no possibility that an inquest jury can find him at fault, given the loaded instructions juries are given?

This loud-and-clear loss of trust by taxpaying citizens should strike fear in the hearts of every elected county official and Metro police officer. Why? Because, historically, when government officials betray the trust of their citizen employers, chaos soon follows. As proof, look no farther than the bloodshed and chaos throughout Mexico today. Mexico's nightmare began when police and elected officials declared themselves above the law, unaccountable to the people who pay their salaries.

Today, that's the message Las Vegas residents are hearing from their sheriff, their district attorney and their public administrator: "We are above the law!" That declaration was burned indelibly into Las Vegans' memories by Metro police Sergeant Raymond Reyes on February 4, 2008, when he allegedly told attorney David Lee Phillips, "I'm Metro. We can do whatever we please." (Las Vegas Review Journal, July 30, 2010).

As it stands, the Clark County coroner's inquest reinforces the perception that Metro officers "can do whatever we please." For 34 years, this abomination of due process has been nothing more than a quasi-legal exercise to exonerate cops, a tool for creating an impression that police officers' actions are always justified or excusable. And Erik Scott's inquest hearing exposed that truth to thousands of viewers.

As you review the existing inquest procedures and rewrite county Code 2.12 to ensure future hearings are fair to all parties involved, please remember that thousands of citizens across the United States—not only those there in Las Vegas—are watching and asking: "If the Clark County coroner's inquest hearing remains a one-sided platform for airing distortions, falsehoods and fabrications, why should we trust any of you?"

Regards,
William B. Scott
Father of Erik B. Scott

Botched raids somehow sound better when they\'re written in British.

It almost sounds civilised. Except the bobbies still shouldn't have been there.

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This one is from Longview, Texas.

Well, at least they apologized. :rolleyes:

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I bet you could launch a rocket to the moon and back quicker!

There's an acronym for that. ADHD.

Fortunately no one died due to their negligence.

This time...

South Carolina brings SWAT to a poker game. With predictable results.

Everyone but Awtry was issued a $100 fine. As any aficionado of old western flicks can tell you, this isn't the first time a poker game turned into a gunfight. But still...

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I hope I put this in the right place? Bay-area transit cop(Johannes Mehserle) gets 2 yrs for shooting unarmed and cuffed black man in the back while face down on ground. From:ABC Channel 7 Eyewitness news. SEMPER FI TO FREEDOM

It's as good a place as any for it. Here\'s the link.

I was speechless when the verdict came down. My opinion hasn't changed.

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Just read about it myself. Holy shit, that's about as blatant as it can get.

I figured they would give him a six or seven year hard time verdict, making him do a solid three. Now they are talking maybe a few months in jail and the rest on probation. He could even get gun rights back in some states. I think they made Stacey Koon do more time of that and all he did was beat someone up with a stick.

That, and Koon was not even the only guy to go down in his incident. This Oscar Grant shooting was not at all isolated. A bunch of other cops were there and seemed to be up to other shit, but Mehserle just one-upped his buddies. The rest were oh so casual about their guy just cuffing and plugging someone like that. I still watch that video and think "holy shit, they just don't care".

It's not even getting amped up and enraged and then losing control, they just casually snuff someone like that in front of a crowd like they are saying "yeah, calm down now or we shoot another hostage, then order a pizza"...

I know guys who were found innocent and still got more of a prosecutive tail than what that guy is getting.

I was in the CA National Guard when the LAPD thing went down, joined right after the main set of riots. We were training up for the sequel and word went around that our plan was not to participate in any major engagements against the gangbangers as long as the gangbangers contained their problem to the LAPD. I was being told by other LE and state people that LAPD made their own problems and we were not to go rescuing them from the shit that was going to come down on them for mistreating people. We were only going to be protecting citizens and other government assets in any "hot zone".

Watching some of the related video interviews now. John Burris is involved so you can guess the race card is playing to the maximum but in reality, you don't even need the race card on that case.

A comment made by a family member was telling; the State managed to find and appoint the judge who had previously helped a reduce the scale and scope of the rampart scandal a back in the 1990s, former prosecutor of course. I remember the lies going around the gun and professional forums about the Rampart scandal, with us being told it was just hoodlums taking advantage of some good white cops who slipped up while bending some rules to make ends meet in a broken justice system.

Reality is most of the shitheads in the Rampart scandal were A: Black, and C: Tattooed and verified card carrying Bloods gang members using their status as police officers to chase after rival Crips gang members. Kind of makes me think of some of what has happened with Iraqi police.

Some folks never learn, yet they continue to be put in charge of policy...

I almost feel like issuing an official statement that if the blacks take action in California the Militias in general will only take action to secure public infrastructure, assist government agencies not connected with the justice department, and protect private property along with individual private citizens. If they want to go game on against the crooked as hell DOJ, we will just stay out of the way.

I remember in my AO they ruled on 5, FIVE, police shootings on blacks on one day, one ruling... guess what? They made a big news conference, ruled ALL FIVE SHOOTINGS GOOD. The news cameras made certain to pan to the crying, wailing families.

You know if they do survive they get tortured in prison-just like Charles Dyer's going to be... actually he's going to get a lot worse for being a self-identified enemy as opposed to being the targets of state-licensed and protected racist murderers with nigger hunting licenses.

And you want to know why gangs form up?

Actually, if J4P does time, word will get around that it was for a BS charge and nobody will lay a hand on him. That and his prior record of whistleblowing on other jail guards who were mistreating prisoners.

Patriot movement people in general don't get treated badly by the hard core convicts, but the snitches and those looking to play "teachers pet" to the authorities are another problem, then there is the growing issue of some inmate gangs carrying out attacks on other prisoners on behalf of the government (see "Bitch Wars" in Wikipedia referencing the Stalin years for a comparison).

From Reddit, and anonymous account of what appears to be another "isolated incident." If anyone can verify this, I would appreciate it.

(CAUTION: This post contains the F-bomb. Only once, and I can't say I blame the writer, but think twice about having your kids read it.)

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This is a failure on both the officers and agencies area. As is all botched raids.

airforce
I personally believe what the writer thinks.
The Warrant was BS. They are being asked in ABC Agency parlance to close down their website.
This will never go away until the law suit is over.
The agents are following orders.
Perhaps the old folks should make an appointment with the Judge who issued the warrant and tell him how his warrant was served. Most Judges don't like being lied to.
This also raises the point about how to answer the door. Day or night.
When the bell rings and you ask through the door who is there if the answer is "Police/FBI/whomever agency' you don't open the door till ready. First ask what they want because you don't have any clothes on. When they ask you to open the door say Just a moment I have to pull on my trousers or dress, or whatever.
GO look out the window carefully to see how many. If a crowd go wake everyone and sit on the couch out of line of the door.
When they demand you open ask to see the warrant. They will either hold it up to the door or break the door down.
If the latter be on the couch and "SAY NOTHING".
Perhaps have the cell phone on and connected to a friend in case.

Safetalker, I personally have no doubts that what the author of this post says is true. After all, I have nine pages of accounts pretty much like it, in this topic alone.

The problem is, the author wants anonymity, and I can't do what I want to do unless I have all the facts--who, what, when, where. Without those, I have nothing.

Unless I can independently verify that this happened, there just isn't much more that I can do other than post the account here. And to be honest, I'm having second thoughts about even doing that. I take what I do seriously, and if I post something that later turns out to be bogus, it's my reputation that suffers.

In the end, I obviously did decide to post it. But it comes with a warning flag; until I have independent verification this actually happened, I'm asking everyone to take this one for what it's worth.

It sucks, but until the victims here want to get a little more involved, that's about all I can or will do.

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airforce

68-year-old grandfather of twelve killed in drug raid. We're still light on details, so I'm sure we'll have more on this later:

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Here is the statement from Framingham, Masachusetts Police Chief Steven Carl:

It now seems clear that Mr. Eurie Stamps was not the target of the drug raid. It also seems clear that Mr. Stamps was not armed.

I write a lot about drug raids taking place at the wrong house. This is an example of why we shouldn't be doing raids like this even when we have the right house. They're too dangerous, there is no margin for error, and they needlessly put lives at risk. They inject extreme violence into a situation where previously no violence existed, and that is exactly the opposite of what peace officers should be doing.

Chalk up one more casualty in the War on Drugs. And ask yourself if it's any harder now to get high in Framingham, Massachusetts today than it was yesterday.

What a tragic, needless waste.

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Another good human being murdered by overzealous JBT's. And guess what,all the apologies in the world won't bring him back.They won't even begin to change there policies until the wives and mothers of the JBT's start getting alot more knocks on the door with ( I'm sorry to inform you that your son / husband has been killed in the line of his murderous duties )Nazi baby killers.

I know that area I used to work in Natick Ma and I was in Framingham just a few weeks ago.

D308cat is completely correct.

If Blacks were intelligent they would not Riot, Loot and Burn they would only target those who murder their Fellow Blacks, an Eye for an Eye and a Life for a Life and a Beating for a Beating and a Tazering for a Tazering.

We will just have to see how this one turns out. Will the Cop be cleared as usually happens or will he have to pay for his Crime.

I predict that someday cops will hit and kill the wrong person and this person's loved ones will get Justice their own way.

What would happen if one of this mans family got revenge and when the cops went to arrest him the entire local black community supported and protected him from the cops.

Radley Balko is quoted in this story in the Boston Herald. It won't bring Eurie Stamps back, but maybe we'll get more people to see the light.

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Radley Balko discusses the Eurie Stamps case on Judge Andrew Napolitano\'s [b]Freedom Watch[/b]. About 5 1/2 minutes.

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This one is from Spring Valley, New York:

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The Eurie Stamps investigation has gone into lockdown . District Court Judge Douglas Stoddart has impounded the two search warrants, at the request of prosecutor David Clayton.

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This one is from New Brunswick, New Jersey.

I agree.

The link has a video with photos of the injuries.

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This was a really[/b] wrong-door raid. From San Francisco:

This looks like fun. Stay tuned.

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Michigan cops caught on tape during drug raid. Michigan has what may be the worst drug forfeiture laws in the country. Now, it's even getting the attention of the mainstream media.

About 3 minutes.

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Here\'s one from Bellevue, Pennsylvania, and the FBI.

And for bonus points, there apparently was no warrant:

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The result from the investigation into the death of Eurie Stamps, Sr., is in. A SWAT officer\'s weapon accidentally discharged when he stumbled.

So Officer Paul Duncan made a mistake, in the heat of the moment, that cost an innocent man his life. I can understand that. After all, Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick also made mistakes under similar circumstances that resulted in death, and no one ever charged them, did they? Oh, wait...

I really don't want to see Mr. Duncan go to prison. This can be resolved, albeit unsatisfactorily, through a civil lawsuit. What I would like to see is for law enforcement to stop creating these dangerous situations in the first place.

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86-year-old man injured in another wrong-door drug raid in Washington D.C. Robert Smith is still waiting for an apology:

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Ecorse, Michigan, will pay a couple $215,000 for damages after a botched raid . Good.

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From Menlo Park, in the great State of California:

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This one is from Bellevue, Pennsylvania.

They only had an arrest warrant, not a search warrant. But it was an arrest warrant for a drug crime, so the place was going to be turned upside down anyway.

This is your government on drugs. Any questions?

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SWAT team honored for raiding wrong house. This actually happened a couple years ago, but the news clip was just uploaded to YouTube.

Watch a police chief give awards to a team that shot up the wrong home, filled with six children. And watch him praise the team for refusing to retreat when they came under fire--from an innocent man.

You just can't make this stuff up.

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Mistaken identity in Struthers, Ohio.

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Not a botched raid per se, but three members of the Kansas City, Kansas SWAT team were indicted on felony charges . They were apparently stealing money and property from homes they raided.

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Agents raid wrong house in Sterling Heights, Michigan. Click on the video. About 2 1/2 minutes.

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Orange County Sheriff's Office looking for fugitive, raid wrong house.[/url]

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The police broke my house by mistake, and they won\'t fix it. He finally did get reimbursed for his expenses, but it took him years.

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A Cedar rapids, Iowa, house was raided by a SWAT team, looking for narcotics. They didn't find any. So, they charged the homeowner, Jose Perry, with keeping a disorderly house . No, I'm not kidding.

Link fixed.

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I've got some catching up to do. First, from Memphis :

Well, that's a little refreshing. Next, from California :

Also in California, San Luis Obispo County is settling a lawsuit arising from a medical marijuana raid back in 2008 .

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Raiding the wrong house is bad enough. Raiding the wrong house belonging to a CBS News correspondent is a really, really bad idea.

Audio and video at the link.

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Here is a free E-book for you: Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America

" Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home.
These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.
This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform."

Download it here:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf

Fullerton California again, Narcotics JBT thugs raid wrong home and terrorize family,Then fails to report there mistake. Temporary Chief isuses an apology days later, Only after repeated complaints. Getting tired of this CRAP. SEMPER FI

Two more. The first one, from Chicago :

This one is from Richland County, South Carolina, where Sheriff Leon Lott has his peacemaker tank:



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From Jefferson, Iowa:

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The US Army is expected now to send "compensation teams" around to deal with issues of shot out glass, kicked in doors and dead household animals (or people). These "SWAT" outfits operate with no honor. The fact this is done with victimless crimes like someone buying or selling some dope is clear evidence that what you have is just a bunch of thugs looking for excuses to loot and shoot.

Back in the 1980s, everyone knew what and where the crackhouses were, and those places were rarely hit until the community complaints had piled up and everyone on the street knew what and where a crackhouse was. Now we are supposed to think that much force gets mobilized by "overworked" cops for an alleged dope house where one controlled transaction may or may not have taken place and they are not even 100% sure of the location of the transaction? It is a very clear example of the SWAT solution going around looking for a problem.

Yeah, collect the names, but without widespread public support for retaliation, I doubt it will be actually happening.

The only other option right now is widespread complaints to federal authorities, who will of course ignore most of the complaints and thus erode confidence and support for the federal government as these atrocities against freedom continue.

Back in SC we ran a video store from 93-01 (couldn't compete with blockbuster.) We had about 5-6 movies disappearing a week I fought one guy when the cops got there one said they probably go trade them for crack a few streets over from our store. I asked if they knew it was there why not bust it? He stammered around the question wouldn't answer me. Figured somebody was being paid.

Not a rare or unusual circumstance. The usual case is that the government is not on the straight bribe program as much as controlling the place through some form of blackmail while those who frequent the crackhouse become targets of various investigations as someone else who is a regular there (or running the place) is a productive confidential informant.

A highly productive confidential informant is extremely valuable to local law enforcement and that is where you will see crimes being manufactured just to keep the productive informant out of jail and on the streets. They gain high levels of credibility with law enforcement and on the street level, can carry more actual authority than those with badges because they effectively have a license to selectively break laws and call in the law, options which regular criminals do not have day to day, but will aspire to gain. It is something that regular citizens would despise if they knew about it, but rarely get privvy to.

I KNOW someone who knows someone just like that.

He grew up in the same neighborhood with my dude and was always cool to him. Then when he was looking to make some cash because he lost his job that's when the pet snitch made his moves...

Pet snitch-that's a good name, right? Cuz I knew that motherfucker and he was always in dirt but never got dirty, y'know.

So with my dude's money and the snitch's automtive knowhow they started buying cars... except that there was something always wrong-darn and the snitch was supposed to know better from a lifetime of horse trading.

My dude went along, at least until they started talking about guns and over the phone the pet snitch tried to talk him into buying a TEC 9 that had a murder on it for 200 bucks.

I had told my dumbass friend to break off contact with the piece of shit, he was setting him up for a fall so he told me that he said hell no over the phone. Good for him.

I think that's what tipped off that dirtbag that that particular cow was milked because in a couple months he set him up with the local traffic maids. Oh he was squeaky clean but liked to go out so he got a DUI. And got milked. And the pet snitch got away with hustling him.

I heard later he was a CI, and given how he's been running around his entire life hustling and always got along with the cops well, do the math. My friend didn't.

As for SWAT getting away with shit, somewhere down the road someone's just going to have to say fuck it because the current trend of cops getting away with shit isn't going to stop on it's own.

Something that breed is almost never trained for is resisting "intensive questioning" once they are picked up, held at a discreet location and thoroughly questioned by Mr Blowtorch. Under those circumstances, it is never particularly difficult to determine who the orders for the death squad attack were coming from.

The problem is that it often becomes very difficult to determine who those orders are coming from when you are the poor schmuck who is getting raided by surprise and the shooters don't know or care much who you are or what is really going on. It is still fairly rare where a police shotcaller sets the case up and is the first man through the door and pulls the trigger himself, but it has happened that way (with no dire consequences for the pigs of course), in the Donald Scott case down in Los Angeles county in the early 1990s. It was a clear cut federal jurisdiction federal murder under color of authority case, but the local federal magistrates just rubber stamped their approval on the operation (no surprises there).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott

Guess what? Jose Guerena's murderers are CLEARED.

http://rt.com/usa/news/charges-jose-guerena-swat-409/

Nope, no surprises there.

Some unverified "inside scoop" I got was they have gone through some sort of command level shakedown at that SWAT outfit, some guy who had previously been the head of that SWAT unit took a police chief job in a small town in Oregon before this incident took place, and then after the incident, left Oregon and supposedly went back to Arizona to take charge of that screwball outfit and try to straighten them out, but the department he ran in Coquille Oregon did have one very questionable killing in which the officers were of course, cleared.

Thing is one of the two officers involved got caught with his pants down with a teenage girl near the high school, in the squad car. Fired, but no charges filed...

I wish I could say I was surprised. Obviously, I'm not.

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The People just need to remember who these murderers are, so when we Win the War there will be justice for the victims. Justice delayed is better then no justice.

Nothing but gangsters.

You gotta be kidding me. If you or I were taking a leak out in the middle of nowhere in the woods and a teenage girl walked by, we'd be charged with a sex crime and have to register as a sex offender. Yet these dirtbags get off scott-free for ANYTHING EVERY time.

Yeah, screwing one of the girls who wanted to be a police cadet or something like that. Corrupting the morals of a teenage hooker/cop groupie. It was the big deal in the small town for a little while but the local word was the girl went begging for the sex. Believe it or not, the new Chief was pressured to keep the guy on, but the sex issue plus the questionable killing issue were the main reasons for the firing and I think still not written up in such a way that the guy could not get a police job elsewhere.

Same thing happened with a fireman in the next county over and he did a little prison time over it.

This one will cost Minneapolis $1 million.

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They will cover it with more taxes I'm sure.

Yes, they happen in Maui, too.

A police spokeswoman has said that "This is the first time I’m aware of this ever happening in all the years I’ve been involved in representing the Maui Police Department."

Yeah. That's why there's ten pages in this thread now, because it happens so rarely.

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Yeah, the idea is that as long as the warrant was validated, even in error, the police are at the premises "legally" therefore they can fish around for more justification in making a case against whoever they encounter. The courts like to cal it "acting in good faith", yeah, "good faith to fine collecting prison filling machine, not the general public.

Surprised that this one didn't get covered here:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53237543-78/police-ogden-officers-force.html.csp?page=1

Money quote: "There really was not a great deal that was unique, other than the outcome," said Strike Force Commander Darin Parke.

What can you say when an Army vet gives the SWAT team a 50% casualty rate.

Well Done

See this thread . This is one of those situations where we just don't have a lot of information to go on, but the Ogden SWAT was involved in at least one questionable shooting in the recent past.

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And this just in--the all the search warrant have been sealed in this case, including the original one which sent the SWAT out there in the first place. We're not likely to be getting much more information anytime soon.

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I must be getting old, or preparing for a "field grade lobotomy".

Nah. Somebody else beat me to the story originally, and started another thread about it. I really don't mind; I'm sure I miss a lot of these, because I'm just one guy. If you see one that I haven't posted, PLEASE don't hesitate to post it here. I need all the help I can get.

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From Fitchburg, Massachusetts:

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From Dallas, Texas. See here , also.

We can't find any record of this anywhere, and the lawyers are not responding to questions. Strange.

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I think this would be this case:

CITY OF DALLAS, DAVID O. BROWN §
IN HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY, OFFICER §
C. HIGHT, IN HIS INDIVIDUAL §
AND OFFICIAL CAPACITY, OFFICER §
T. RIVERA, IN HIS INDIVIDUAL §
AND OFFICIAL CAPACITY, D. FOSTER, §
IN HIS INDIVIDUAL AND OFFICIAL §
CAPACITY, C. WAGNER, IN HIS §
INDIVIDUAL AND OFFICIAL CAPACITY, §
K. KRESTA, IN HIS INDIVIDUAL AND §
OFFICIAL CAPACITY, G. GARCIA, IN HIS §
INDIVIDUAL AND OFFICIAL CAPACITY, §
J. FORTIER, IN HIS INDIVIDUAL AND §
OFFICIAL CAPACITY, SGT. A. HARVEY, §
IN HIS INDIVIDUAL AND OFFICIAL §
CAPACITY, JOHN DOE NOS. 1 THROUGH §
10, IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL AND §
OFFICIAL CAPACITIES, §
§
Defendants

That's gotta be it. Strange how nobody is talking about this.

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New Orleans police shoot, kill an unarmed man during a marijuana raid. And the War on Drugs marches on.

Well, I'll tell you what happened, Police Superintendent Serpas. You had armed thugs break into a house and murder a kid, because they barely had enough marijuana to constitute a crime. Do you really think it was worth it?

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I read all these stories concerning LEO and SWAT Raids, that end in loss of life, or Pets being killed..Its Rampant, and going on all the Time.

The JBT are always Cleared of wrong-doing, and the Prosecutors, always bail them out, by lying about the Trumped up Charges for the Warrants..

This is going to get worse , NDAA will get more Citizens and Patroits Killed...Time to start Hitting Back..and Defend yourself at all cost!

This is going to get a lot of Badge Monkeys Killed!

Couple of steel hangers lag bolted on king studs at each door and a removeable 2X4 set in hangers across the door durring sleep time, The scum "reguardless of who" won't be getting in before you are locked and loaded and ready to stack some wood. A little creative paint for looks should please the wife,can't hurt to be ready in these strange days.

Oregon man mistakes for prowlers a SWAT team preparing to raid his neighbor's home. SWAT shoots him three times.

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If the police were on his property, and had no warrant allowing them to be on his property, the police were bound to follow his orders, not the other way around. They had not secured permission for the staging of their 'operation' on his property. That makes it a taking (even under the abomination known as Kelo v. New London).

But, of course, the police will be 'cleared', as they thought themselves in 'danger'. And the media will dutifully report that, and the rational behind the 'ruling' by the police.

And if they get to court, the judge will rule that police have special rights that protect them from property owners, for 'public safety' reasons.

Constitution? How antiquated!

Those retarded jack booted thugs should be arrested for criminal trespassing and attempted murder just like anyone else would be.

If they sent uniformed police in marked police cars with a warrant in hand to the front door and knocked he would not have been shot. Police should not be allowed to wear ski-masks and play swat team.

At least they gave the guy some money to fix his busted door.

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The Death of Gonzalo Guizan

Radley Balko has a long post on the 2008 death of Gonzalo Guizan, who was shot dad during a SWAT (technically, a "SWERT") raid in 2008 while visiting a friend. It's worth a read. Here's a snippet:

As Mr. Balko says, Guizan's friend Ronald Terebise is not the sort of person you would want as a neighbor. To say that he is "unsavory" would be putting it very mildly. But even the information from the informant stated that Terebesi had been "using" cocaine, not selling it. And the small amount of cocaine seized in the raid would seem to back that up.

Why was Gonzalo Guizan killed? Because one of the officers shouted "I'm hit!" during the raid.

He had, indeed, been hit. By one of the flashbang grenades the SWERT officers used. For that, Guizan was shot six times.

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/atf-agents-point-gun-at-8-year-old/?cat_orig=us

ATF Agents raid the wrong house, handcuff the mother and point weapons at an 8 year old.
I'm sure this won't make me any friends but I believe the only way to stop these kinds of raids is to respond in kind to those involved.

Thanks, Super Beast. I need all the help I can get with this. And if I haven' said so already, welcome to AWRM!

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Seems like you're off to a fine start. I strongly agree with you.

Wasn't sure if I was out of my lane posting that. I can't start a new thread so I will leave this here, it's a kinda long video but well worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RVmGWLsn0iM

Ninth Circuit: DEA can\'t put a gun to an eleven-year-old\'s head. After more than five years, a family in Seeley, California, is finally about to get justice.

here is the 13-page decision from the Ninth Circuit. from the decision:

Note that the raid actually took place while President George Bush was still in office, but it was the Obama administration that decided to defend federal agents holding guns to the heads of children.

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Cowardly punk ass bastard sons of bitches.

I got banned from more than one professional forum for calling that sort of tactic what it is, terorristic mock executions which are done specifically to traumatize the victim.

The worst possible accusation on the entire case : the family thought to maybe be some sort of waypoint safehouse for recreational chemical dope. Personally, I blame the addicts as much as anyone but well, the way anti-drug efforts go, the government has the biggest problem with the money side of it.

If it were the Army, they would be expected to issue an official apology and make a settlement offer for any cleanup, that is the man-the-fuck-up solution when mistakes happen. Send a diplomat in to make nice, write a check (not for millions, but enough to let everyone know the apology is real) then go about fighting the drug war. As it was, they decided that rather than make peace or make nice with the family, to expend taxpayer resources to pay a team of high dollar lawyers to defend the actions of the abusers.

My personal opinion, the entire chain of command ought to get called onto one of those restricted access training facilities and conned into some arrest training, where they get put through a "fake" arrest like that (initially as part of the training) then simply left cuffed up, beaten senseless, then transported to the trailer park where the incident took place and publicly issued their discharge papers, no retirement, no benefits, thanks for your guns and badges now get the fuck out.

That's what I would call it. Ironic, don't you think, that it's a former pothead President who is now defending these thugs?

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