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Posted By: ConSigCor

Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 06:01 AM

Las Vegas massacre suspect, Stephen Paddock of Nevada, is dead, police say

Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old man from Mesquite, Nevada, has been identified as the suspected gunman in the Las Vegas shooting.
Police say he is dead.
He had no known connection to terrorism, according to NBC News.
At least 50 people died and more than 200 were injured in the attack near the Mandalay Bay hotel, police say.

The suspected gunmen in the Las Vegas shooting has been identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada. Police say they located him on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel and that he is dead.

Police say he had no known connection to terrorism, according to NBC News.

Over 50 people died and more than 200 were injured after Paddock opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival across the road from Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip.

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said the authorities have not completed an investigation into Paddock's background and history. But Lombardo said the police department had located a number of firearms in the room he occupied in the hotel. Officers will also be carrying out a search on Paddock's residence.

It appeared the shooter fired on concertgoers from an upper-floor room at Mandalay Bay, the Las Vegas Review-Journal said.

Investigators said they located a woman who had been traveling with Paddock, Marilou Danley, and want to question her.

NBC News said that police described Danley as his companion and she was living with him. The police are also searching Paddock's house.

Paddock was not known to the federal authorities, but was known to local law enforcement, according to NBC News.

He has no known connection to terrorism and police have not called the shooting a terrorist attack, according to NBC.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 08:20 AM

This wasn't a spur-of-the-moment act, he obviously had a bunch of ammo and mags up in that room. He planned to do this. And he wasn't planning to escape.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 09:34 AM

This is Stephen Paddock.

[Linked Image]

He had a hunting license, he was a private pilot, and had a lawsuit against a casino years ago.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 10:05 AM

What set him off?
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 10:35 AM

They're now reporting that 58 are dead and "over 500 injured"

what did the guy use a belt fed?
Posted By: Hawk45

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 11:14 AM

They are being careful not to say what he used.........YET. I am speculating he used high capacity drums.

Muslim's are taking credit for it. Killer's Pilipino room mate/lover or whatever may have had something to do with it. Lots of radical Muslims in the southern Philippians.

Any way you look at it, we can expect even more of our Constitutional rights to disappear.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 11:43 AM

It's hard to tell from the videos I've seen, but it sounded more like an AK47 than one of the AR variants. There is a difference in the rate of fire.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 11:51 AM

This is interesting. Stephen Paddock\'s father, Patrick ...le was on the FBI\'s "Most Wanted" list.

[Linked Image]

The shooter was about seven years old at the time, so I doubt this was a real motivating factor. Still, it's interesting.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 12:28 PM

https://www.infowars.com/videos-gunman-sprays-bullets-into-las-vegas-country-music-festival-crowd/

The audio I just heard definitely sounds like a 'full auto'.

FBI Source: Vegas Shooter Found with Antifa Literature, Photos Taken in Middle East

The Las Vegas shooter didn’t commit suicide as the mainstream media is reporting, but was killed by a FBI hostage rescue team who also found Antifa literature in his hotel room, according to a source linked to the team.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 01:03 PM

interesting. So pappy did time after being on the run. Junior joined Antifa after a mid-east excursion.The Mid East has been tied into funding Antifa.

Checking all the boxes.
Check
Check
Check


belt fed
drum fed you want it they can get it

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...d-rifle-bi-pod-drum-detail.html?Itemid=0
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 01:22 PM

He didn't just "snap," like a couple reporters on Fox are speculating. He had to have planned this, you just don't bring that much ammo and that many weapons to a hotel room unless you have something in mind. And Fox News is reporting that he specifically asked for that particular room in the hotel. He has been planning this for a while.

He seems to have been an avid poker player and casino gambler. I don't know how that factors in.

I've been told there is a video of him at an anti-Trump rally. I haven't seen it, and I don't even know if it exists, but that is the only thing I've heard about his political leanings.

You can do a lot of damage with 30-round mags, if you have enough of them. And if he can afford that many weapons and that much ammo and that hotel room, he could afford the mags.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 02:15 PM

I have been at these casinos a lot when I was stationed at Irwin. Upper windows without balconies are supposed to be bolted shut. Either he or someone in his "Crew" defeated the window bolts.The more planning involved the more people involved.

It seems he was recruited.Time will give us more details.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 02:59 PM

The windows are bolted shut, but it wouldn't be too difficult to smash the window with a heavy hammer, or just shoot it out. I'm assuming that's what he did.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 03:12 PM

Did anyone hear Savage today?

There is speculation that this was a false flag with multiple shooters.

And, one report says ISIS is claiming responsibility.

Who knows.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 03:44 PM

I haven't heard savage today. and to the rest Oh Boy if the speculation is true it's going to be tough to unravel.

He could have shot through the glass as well. We will probably never get to see the room photos.

If inside the room it would muffle rifles report heard outside. Smoke detectors going off are what gave his position away.

multiple shooters we will find out when the concert goers start to process the events in their minds.

Get well for the wounded
And Godspeed to the deceased.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 03:54 PM

More to it that what is being said this is from the LVPD APB

They are also trying to locate two vehicles that they say belonged to the shooter: a Hyundai Tucson, license plate 114 B40, and a Chrysler Pacfica, license plate 19D 401.

On Marylou
Sheriff is saying they are roommates and they found her gaming card in the hotel room he attacked from.

Also reports of a woman yelling at concert goers telling them they will all be dead in 45 minutes. Curious to see if Danley matches that description of that woman.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 03:55 PM

Jim Cavanaugh (remember that asshole?) was just on ABC and claimed the shooter...

"was using high velocity assault rifles designed to penetrate body armour. They had been illegally converted into a machine gun". He further said that these kind of weapons can be converted to full auto by "changing the stock".
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:02 PM

CSC more info coming in.
10 rifles found inside room. Shooter evidently killed himself as police breeched the room; the shooter had video equipment set up to monitor LE approach.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:08 PM

Antifa claiming it.

[Linked Image] [img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/tMrFjzh.png [/img][/IMG]
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:14 PM

Well you know what the media says...

We need to ban guns now.

The hildabeast says this wouldn't have happened if she had been elected because she would have banned "dangerous" weapons.

And, the dems are screaming for gun control.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by ConSigCor:
Well you know what the media says...

We need to ban guns now.

The hildabeast says this wouldn't have happened if she had been elected because she would have banned "dangerous" weapons.

And, the dems are screaming for gun control.
I'm surprised it took them this long. I think they have these statements pre-recorded.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:35 PM

feels like the entire event was pre-recorded.Turns out the shooter had millions in the bank. He engaged at a distance of 400 meters from two windows on the 32nd floor. Booked a two room suite.He had been in Vegas a while on this trip.Everything suggests pre-planning and positioning from the cameras to the weapon selection.

The gunfire heard on recordings has a dwell in the ROF Rate of fire. He might of found some of those old speed trigger kits from the 80s and 90s. Back during the Interarms Mac in A Sack days.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Deactivated:
...The gunfire heard on recordings has a dwell in the ROF Rate of fire. He might of found some of those old speed trigger kits from the 80s and 90s. Back during the Interarms Mac in A Sack days.
That's possible. I still say it sounded more like an AK variant than an AR one, but I suppose those trigger kits could account for that. It didn't sound like an AR, but that's what they're reporting he used.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: D308cat

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 07:33 PM

Latest Report, 23 Guns in room, 19 more in home.
Posted By: 30soldier

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 07:54 PM

Does anybody find it hard to believe that one guy with no military background could shoot damn near 600 people from 32 floors up? Even if with automatic weapons and a high rate of fire and granted a target rich environment, how many rounds would have to be fired to get 500-600 hits on target? Even with a fifty percent hit rate he would have to have shot 1200 rounds. That is a shitload of shooting by one guy in a short amount of time and extremely accurate automatic fire.
This whole damn thing is a setup. Either a mkultra mind control operative or he was a recent Muslim convert. Or maybe more likely this man was never the shooter.
Always the same, he was a nice guy, normal, never saw this coming.
One thing for sure, don't believe anything they tell you,
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 08:08 PM

Most likely many of the wounded were hit by bullet fragments, rather than a direct hit. I would imagine a few more were injured during the panic to get out of there. With a packed crowd like that, and several minutes of shooting, I think the number of casualties is realistic.

But I agree, a lot of this just doesn't compute. If anything, this reminds me of the Texas clock tower shooting, where it turned out Charles Whitman had a brain tumor. Whitman went up the clock tower with a bunch of weapons and ammo, and no plan to survive the shootings.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: 30soldier

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 08:15 PM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10...s-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 10:38 PM

The article posted by 30 solder raises many valid questions.

Alex Jones, Mike savage and others have been questioning the official narrative all day. Too many conflicting accounts of what transpired.

Several victims and eye witnesses stated that gun fire / muzzle flashes were coming from multiple locations at the same time.

Also several people reported that a woman went around the crowd yelling "your all gonna die" 45 minutes before the shooting began.
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Then there is the story of a concert goer who was warning people before the shooting that they were all “going to die.” Who is she? Is she involved?

The Express (UK): “One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were ‘all going to die’ after pushing her way to the front of the venue…The witness, 21, told local news: ‘She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die. They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious’…She [the winess] described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man. The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like ‘everyday people’.”
And, at least one news source said that the shooter did NOT commit suicide... "an FBI HRT breached the door and took out the gunman".

I say again

False flag event.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/02/2017 11:32 PM

The shooter engaged the cops and hotel security by shooting through the door. When they breached he was dead. My bet is, returned fire killed him. 30 Soldier the BG had spent time in the middle east and Philippines earlier this year.He had been in the Mandalay since last Thursday prepping the room. He had bump fire stocks from that slide fire company. the po-po is holding tite on much more info they do not want to compromise the investigation but more are involved.

Right now so many organizations are claiming credit
Abu Sayif
ISIS
Antifa
pretty soon Mothers Against Drunk Driving will probably as well.

we will know more in the coming days or more will be hidden from us.
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 12:54 AM

Police Scan Audio
https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1

First there was reported three shooters and then confirmed to be two active shooters.
At 17:40 the four-man element on the 32nd floor reported a shot security guard, at 18:12 the cops say that the shooter fired down the hallway hitting a security guard ( how could he be shooting down the hallway and out the window at the same time !?)

18:24 .... confirmed TWO SHOOTERS with fully automatic weapons

19:34 .... please advise officers to lock their car doors, people are trying to get into them for the shotguns

34:40..... a white RV , older white male in black fatigues with a black bag ran into the motor home.
35:09 ....the older white male was witnessed coming from the area of the shooting and going into the RV.
36:45.....units being overtaken by citizens trying to steal the patrol cars


42:30.... subject on helipad.
44:50.... confirming the two shooting locations of Mandalay Bay and Ali Babba is there a third ?

Hour 2
7:52...... possible active shooter coming down escalator
11:14..... shooter at front desk NEW YORK NEW YORK
11:45.... shots fired at NEW YORK NEW YORK

13:48.....Active shooter at the Tropicana.
18:oo ..... SWAT is prepping for exlposive breech
19:06.....shoots fired at New York New YORK
1926.... negative shoots fired at NEW YORK NEW YORK
20:58....paramedics report being shot at at the Tropicana

22:57.... one suspect down
23:45..... NO shots fired at ARIA
24:10:....SECOND EXPLOSIVE BREACH AT Mandalay Bay
24:30 ..... No shots fired at Tropicana or NEW YORK NEW YORK
25:09..... room secure, one suspect down, multiple firearms, this was definitely the guy that was firing down into the crowds.
25:44.... any update on the "POSSIBLE DEVICE at the LEXZOR " ?
27:00..... reports of shots fired at Ceasors and Valagio

29:14 ......Guy with a gun at the Paris ( ?)
30:10.... negative shots fired at Valagio
34:30..... reports of shots fired at Planet Hollywood
37:20.....One suspect down and in custody.
38:10.....Marilou Danley , name found a platnium diners card found on dresser
40:48.... armed man with a rifle walking into Valagio.
46:00.... citizen winessed a man with a rifle exit a white dually pickup truck and run down the road, also described as wearing a leg holster.
51:13...... white male with black t-shirt going into casinos with rifle and clearing everyone out, could be the one responsible for all this pandamonium.

And then it just starts replaying from Number One.
Posted By: sinistral

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 02:24 AM

A guy on my team just went to Vegas today with his wife for their anniversary. He told me he talked to a Lyft driver who says there was most definitely a second shooter.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 06:18 AM

The media has already figured out the problem.

It's that "scrap of paper" Trump and all those Christians worship.

https://www.infowars.com/leftist-jo...s-a-blood-sacrifice-to-the-constitution/

And rapper "Lib B" says it's white peoples fault.
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 07:49 AM

pics of two of the firearms have been released.Slide fire stocks and wouldn't you know AR-15's.well off to the woods to do some work for the common good
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 07:52 AM

I tried my best to give the highlights and the time stamps to go with them so that others could find them quickly, but since I was fighting to stay awake (prescription meds) I might have missed a thing or two.

Sorry, I tried my best there guys.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 09:03 AM

Good find, Ducttape.

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Originally posted by Deactivated:
pics of two of the firearms have been released.Slide fire stocks and wouldn't you know AR-15's.well off to the woods to do some work for the common good
The BBC is reporting that now, too. That slide fire system always seemed a little Mickey Mouse to me, but I suppose if you practice with it enough, it'll work.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 09:11 AM

it works. It is just a more expensive way then buffer springs cut short to fit inside a pachymar recoil pad. Ok now I really have to get stuff done...bye for now
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 11:41 AM

Here\'s some photos and a video of someone, purportedly Stephen Paddock, at an anti-Trump rally. You be the judge.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Deactivated

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 12:40 PM

I have a crime scene photo. Not sure if I should post it.Its pretty gruesome. It looks like he ate a snub nosed 38. I have that photo as well.

Dirtbag was worth worth $2-12m, sent $100k to the Philippines’, owns 3-4 houses and apparently 42 guns, 2 airplanes, and was gambling $10-30k per table in the days up to the shooting, in a place that he booked months earlier, which happened to have the PERFECT angle on the upcoming venue which was unrelated AFAIK to the nearest place he could have owed money to.

good deeds done for the day cut up trees for the community as the wind blew them over in some back yards.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 12:58 PM

Neighbor of Las Vegas Shooter Claims He Didn’t Do It “It’s gotta be a set-up,” says former Marine

A caller to the Michael Savage radio show who says he was neighbors with Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock asserts that Paddock could not have carried out the massacre and that it was actually a “set-up”.

Forensic Psychiatrist Suggests Gunman May Have Deliberately Targeted Conservatives
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 01:04 PM

I think the key to this, is to find out why he targeted that country music festival. It was clearly no accident, he deliberately chose it.

I hate rap music, but I'm not going to shoot up a rap concert. I'm beginning to think this is another Charles Whitman. He just wanted to shoot a lot of people, and chose a music festival. If it was political, I can think of a few hundred targets that would be more appropriate.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 01:06 PM

Did you look at the 2 links I just posted?

There are too many details of this event that do not add up.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 01:45 PM

i did. There's always a lot of conflicting information in an investigation. In particular, in an area with plenty of tall buildings, gunshots will echo. It will sound like gunshots are coming from two or three different places, especially to an untrained ear.

Did he deliberately target conservatives? I don't know, I'm about 50-50 on that. We need to know more about him. I suppose a music festival would be an easier target than a Trump rally.

Mitch McConnell says it\'s "premature" to talk about new gun control laws. I disagree. Now is a great time to talk about how bad an idea gun control laws are.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 02:11 PM

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Mitch McConnell says it's "premature" to talk about new gun control laws.
Paul Ryan Sides with Hillary: Shelves Bill to Deregulate Suppressors
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by ConSigCor:
Paul Ryan Sides with Hillary: Shelves Bill to Deregulate Suppressors
That little twit. mad

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: D308cat

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 05:35 PM

Anyone Surprized?
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 08:15 PM

Did bump stocks make the Las Vegas shooting any deadlier? It's impossible to know for sure, of course. But probably not.

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Hillary Clinton was widely ridiculed for claiming that Sunday's mass shooting in Las Vegas demonstrated the folly of an NRA-backed bill that would loosen federal restrictions on suppressors, a.k.a. silencers. Clinton argued on Twitter that the death toll in Las Vegas could have been even higher "if the shooter had a silencer," since "the crowd fled at the sound of gunshots."

As firearms experts immediately pointed out, so-called silencers do not actually eliminate the sound of gunfire; they merely reduce the noise level. Even with a suppressor, the hundreds of shots fired from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Resort and Casino would have been clearly audible.

Counterfactual speculation about the Las Vegas attack has now moved on from an accessory that Stephen Paddock did not use to one that he apparently did. The Associated Press reports that police found two bump stocks in Paddock's hotel room, which could explain why witnesses and people who listened to audio recordings of the attack thought he used a machine gun.

A bump stock is a sliding stock that speeds up a rifle's rate of fire by harnessing recoil energy to reset the trigger. Instead of squeezing the trigger, the shooter holds his trigger finger steady while pushing the barrel forward with his other hand, thereby firing a round. The recoil repositions the trigger, and continuing to exert forward pressure on the barrel makes the rifle fire repeatedly. The gun still fires just once per trigger pull, so it is still a semiautomatic (and therefore legal), but it fires faster than it would if the shooter had to bend his trigger finger each time.

Assuming that Paddock used the bump stocks police found, did they make the number of deaths higher than it otherwise would have been? Not necessarily, since bump stocks sacrifice accuracy for speed; the jostling required by the technique makes the rifle harder to aim, especially at long distances. According to the Wikipedia entry on bump stocks, they "greatly degrade the accuracy of the firearm, due to the necessary jerking of the weapon, which makes viable aiming impossible," and "the inaccuracy renders the practice uncommon."

Although bump stocks are legal, have been around for years, and are readily available, I don't recall any other mass shootings in which they were used. Yet previous mass shooters have managed to kill dozens of people, sometimes with ordinary handguns. While the death toll in Las Vegas (59) was higher than in any other modern mass shooting, Paddock's main advantage seems to have been firing from a height, which made it difficult for his victims to find cover.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), not surprisingly, wants to ban bump stocks. But Kristen Rand, legislative director at the Violence Policy Center, does not seem to think they pose much of a threat. USA Today paraphrased Rand as saying "there's a lot of questions about how effective they really are." She added that "it's just a gimmick to make your YouTube video and show people how fast you're shooting your gun."
Here\'s a video of a bump stock in action. Like I've said before, it seems a little too Mickey Mouse for me.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/03/2017 10:48 PM

https://youtu.be/7EaXEghQnmM
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 06:18 AM

Have any of you paid close attention to the audio in some of the videos?

Part of the time you can hear some variation in the rate of fire. So, it could be a bump fire.

But, there are periods where the rate of fire is steady and consistent AND it goes on far too long for the weapon to be magazine fed.

Many eye witnesses are adamant that there were two shooters.

Sure is 'convenient' that Paddock "offed" himself. Dead perps can't talk. Maybe he was the fall guy.
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 08:26 AM

This was all too well set up for me just to believe it was a Lone Wolf scenario.
Whoever is really behind this for whatever sick political agenda or just personal financial gain is a far worse enemy to this nation and Constitution then anything that ANTIFA could do.
To think that we have people like this actually working for us and calling themselves PATRIOTS within OUR Intelligence community.

I know that some people will say that we need dogs like this to do what needs to be done in order to further our national agenda, whatever that is these days, but really the more that you delve into what really goes on behind the curtain you start to see how THEY are not protecting US , THEY are just manipulating their resources to further enrich THEMSELVES at OUR expense .

AND WE PAY FOR IT ALL ,AND WE PAY THEM ON TOP OF IT ALL !!!

Rant over.....
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 09:18 AM

It's hard to tell from the videos and recordings I've seen. But if there is a change in the rate of fire, it could be simply due to his changing weapons. Perhaps a rifle jammed, and rather than clear the jam, he simply picked up another rifle. (That's probably why he had that many rifles up there in the first place, so he wouldn't have to clear jams.)

Sounds will echo in an urban environment. Even trained soldiers will have a hard time determining the direction shots are coming from just from the sound. Paddock was located because people in the hotel could tell where the shooter was. If there was a second shooter somewhere, why didn't they find him as well?

Granted, I don't put much stock in conspiracy theories. I'm just a boring person.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 09:44 AM

Right after saying I don't like conspiracy theories, it occurred to me that no one has yet reported if Paddock was a Democrat or a Republican.

You don't suppose that's because he's a Democrat, and the news media doesn't want to report that, do you?

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 09:49 AM

Airforce there are breaking reports that he and his girlfriend were SJW's with connection to the SPLC. Whether true or not; this attack was political.

Could Stephen Paddock, the lone Vegas shooter, have been a patsy to kick off the left’s war with the right in the streets of America ?

Shooter in bloody Vegas gun massacre was longtime federal agent

Does This Video Show Second Shooter During Vegas Massacre?

BREAKING: Sheriff Says Las Vegas Sh...es admit potential motive for first time

Vegas Shooter’s Girlfriend Used Mul...bers, and Married Two Men Simultaneously

Receipt Shows Paddock Had Another G... September 27, four days before massacre
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 09:53 AM

I want to know what happened with the "CONFIRMED" police sighting of the older white male dressed in black with a black bag that had been seen shooting into the crowd that ran and hid in a RV that was latter surrounded by the police ?

It is all there on the tape.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 09:58 AM

Ducttape, isn't it amazing how 'confirmed' reports get lost when it doesn't fit the mainstream agenda.

Just like the FBI who said the HRT were the one's who shot Paddock. And, the reports of antifa/leftist material in the motel room.
Posted By: The Answer

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 10:54 AM

Of course the gun control parade will come to every town.

Come and take it
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 12:12 PM

Notice how it's always the white, christian, conservative, gun owning Trump supporters who are the target.

And after they kill a few of them, the media always blames them for the problem.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 12:15 PM

I suspect that's one reason why there are so many conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination. No one wants to admit it was another leftist who killed him.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 05:48 PM

And then there is this ......

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-...hooter-and-an-intelligence-agency_102017

The Vegas Plot Thickens: The Connection Between The Shooter And An Intelligence Agency

A few internet sleuths have taken matters into their own hands after the obvious disinformation campaign by the mainstream media surrounding the Las Vegas shooting. Mounting evidence of what looks like a false flag is worrying many. And once you read this, those fears will be shoved into overdrive.

On the surface, the tweet doesn’t say much. But how much can Mike Toke really say in a limited amount of characters? But what he does manage is enough to get anyone seeking the truth to follow all these leads and look into everything that the media and our government continues to hide from us. It’s what’s embedded in the tweet that counts.

Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC, which there is little information on.

However, Volant Associates is none other than a Department of Defense contractor. Meaning Paddock’s plane has been in the hands of the United States government for the past three years and grounded since – if Volant LLC is being used as a way to hide information. Considering what Volant Associates does, that wouldn’t be so far fetched. But the plane’s information is all easily verified here on Flightaware.com. It’s been in Roanoke, Virginia since April 25, 2014.

Volant’s describes it’s mission on their website as providing “the industry’s preeminent professionals to discriminating U.S. government and intelligence-and-defense-industry customers.”

The registration of this plane is also listed as “active” even though it hasn’t been flown in three years. Strange enough yet? Well, it gets even better. The FAA should have this same information. But they don’t. Their website shows that a different aircraft, a Cessna 152, maintains that tail number and it was last registered to a person in San Diego, California. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is a government agency, and it appears that it has scrubbed this plane’s information. Now, why would they do that? Well, the plot still thickens.

There is little to be known about Volant LLC., in Roanoke, Virginia. A company big enough to have a plane should have a website, at least that would be the assumption. But a Google search netted very little information other than they provide “business services.” But Volant Associates is a completely different matter. That’s your defense contractor. And their website says they are located in Chantilly, VA, which wouldn’t be too far from Volant LLC. in Roanoke. And a quick Google search of that verifies that the two cities are only 219 miles apart. So is Volant LLC., a cover company for the defense contractor? Is this a coincidence?

For a list of all of the contracts between Volant LLC. and the government, click here. They have worked for the Obama Administration. Could Paddock’s plane have been used in other scandals, such as the Fast and Furious gun running scheme? Who knows, and at this point, we may never know.

What all this means is entirely speculation right now. But isn’t is strange that this information is being kept from the public, and those who seek the truth are stuck finding it on their own?

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Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 05:57 PM

I tried to post a copy of this guys twitter page but it wouldn't load, so this is the best that I can do .

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/statu...hooter-and-an-intelligence-agency_102017

Mike Tokes‏Verified account @MikeTokes

BREAKING: Users on /pol/ have discovered flight records and a plane that belonged to the Las Vegas Shooter. It is connected to an intelligence contractor who's owner previously worked for the Obama administration.
9:44 AM - 4 Oct 2017
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 07:06 PM

Excellent find ducttape. I've been seeing reports all day that claim Paddock had years of connection to the mil/industrial complex.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 08:21 PM

I've been hearing he had something to do with aerospace or NASA. But he made his money in real estate.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/04/2017 08:36 PM

Paddock may have fired at a jet fuel storage tank.

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Las Vegas Strip mass murderer Stephen Paddock used his Mandalay Bay hotel room to fire bullets at jet fuel tanks Sunday night, a knowledgeable source told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

The bullets left two holes in one of two circular white tanks. One of the bullets penetrated the tank, but did not cause a fire or explosion near the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, another knowledgeable source said late Wednesday.

The tanks are roughly 1,100 feet from the concert site, where Paddock killed 58 people and wounded almost 500.

Within the past couple of days, a construction crew repaired and painted the holes, and FBI agents inspected the tanks and took measurements of the line of fire from Mandalay Bay, the sources said.

Paddock, a 64-year-old Mesquite resident, had broken two windows in his 32nd-floor suite — one in line with the concert site and the other with a direct view of the fuel tanks, one source said. The bases of private aircraft operators are close to the tanks.(Las Vegas Review-Journal)

FBI spokeswoman Sandra Breault declined to comment. “We can’t comment on an ongoing investigation,” she said late Wednesday.

Paddock’s shooting rampage was the deadliest in modern U.S. history. He killed himself as Las Vegas police closed in on his room.

Paddock was a retired accountant who had no criminal background and a passion for video poker. He lived in Mesquite with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, and regularly came to the Las Vegas Strip to gamble.
Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/05/2017 12:21 PM

He had previously booked a room overlooking Lollapalooza, and another one overlooking a rap music festival. That doesn't mean he was thinking of shooting them up, but it sure is suspicious.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/05/2017 10:22 PM

This is a good one, it goes into the DEEP POCKETS angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=985&v=zNqxUuyHFzc
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/08/2017 10:09 PM

Las Vegas killer\'s plan to maximise casualties as note found in gunman\'s hotel room

Police found a note in the gunman's room with details of how to accurately aim from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

5 days after Vegas slaughter, only ...t can\'t provide alternative explanation

Was Vegas an FBI Sting Gone Bad?
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/08/2017 10:35 PM

Quote
Originally posted by ConSigCor:
... Was Vegas an FBI Sting Gone Bad?
There's a lot more speculation than substance in that article, but it's as good a guess as any I've heard so far.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/09/2017 04:45 PM

Experts Confident There Were Multiple Shooters at Vegas Massacre

Special Forces veterans say gunshot acoustics point to multiple shooters

Kit Daniels | Infowars.com - October 9, 2017

There’s overwhelming evidence there were multiple shooters at the Las Vegas massacre – and Special Forces veterans who spoke to Infowars said the gunshot acoustics indicate Stephen Paddock didn’t act alone.

Numerous witnesses reported gunfire from multiple locations – and the acoustics indicate several, overlapping firearms according to veterans of Delta Force, Navy SEALs, Green Berets and other military outfits that Infowars spoke to who have first-hand experience in firefights with automatic weapons.

One of these sources, former Navy SEAL leader Craig Sawyer, is a top ballistics expert and a federal criminal investigator who also has his own sources, some of whom are linked to the investigation.

Here’s what he had to say about multiple shooters:

I will get this caveat out there that it’s very important to be accurate… echoes are very confusing, and hearing anything through a microphone is confusing, and one of my best friends is probably the foremost authority on… the acoustics of these big cases, and he’s got these huge computer [setups] to analyze everything.

Having said all that, and acknowledging that it is confusing after the fact to listen to a series of gunshots with echoes, I will say this: some things are beyond [doubt]… it’s apparent anyway. Even though you’re listening to the echoes and even though you’re listening to it after the fact through a microphone that does just change that acoustic signature, it’s still apparent there was more than one shooter.

…You hear [gunshots] very muffled, very far away and then all the sudden, shortly thereafter, you hear very loud, very distinct [gunshots]. That’s a far engagement and a close engagement.

…I feel confident that we’re hearing more than one shooter.

He also pointed out that so far, there’s hasn’t been much footage released of Stephen Paddock, which suggests the footage would derail the mainstream narrative of a lone shooter.

Remember, Las Vegas hotels and casinos are amongst the most surveilled places per square foot in the world, and yet officials haven’t bothered to release much video. Why wouldn’t surveillance footage be released if it collaborates the official story?

That in itself suggests a cover-up of the parties involved in the shooting – and that the real truth goes much deeper than the mainstream narrative.

If there were multiple shooters, this information needs to be released so the public can help find those responsible.

As we reported on Friday, there’s emerging evidence that the Las Vegas shooting was an ISIS attack and that Paddock had been radicalized, either for real or as part of a cover as he had the hallmarks of an intelligence agency cutout.

Remember, intelligence agencies were behind the rise of ISIS as the CIA and other agencies were funding so-called “moderate” rebels in the Syrian Civil War who were fighting alongside ISIS in an attempt to overthrow President Assad.

Many of these “moderate” rebels later pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/09/2017 05:02 PM

Julian Assange is saying that it started out as an FBI sting or something, but he offered no evidence.

I just heard (on Faux News, so take it for what it's worth) that Paddock was taking Valium "off and on" for years. It will be interesting to see the toxicity results when his autopsy comes back.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/09/2017 05:19 PM

I don't care how much smoke they try to blow up our ass, Valium had nothing to do with this.
Posted By: D308cat

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/09/2017 09:33 PM

They just blew the timeline up, Now saying the security guard was shot before the shooting began, 200 rounds shot into the hallway before he opened up on concert, Blows what they told us out of the water. Remember they said the wounded guard met them and helped while they cleared rooms, That means the guard waited through the 15 min of shooting and the 72 min before the breach, that is 87 min. THIS STINKS
Posted By: Archangel1

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/09/2017 10:40 PM

There is as much misdirection as truth telling. The newest story is the security guard got shot 10 minutes before the shooting started and SWAT showed up 82 minutes later to find a dead man?

I'm afraid that we may be in the proverbial "calm before the storm." And, I don't think that Korea is the panic issue. Watch your six...
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/10/2017 06:30 AM

And yet if you discuss this with any medical professional they ask "So you have issues with those in authority ?" .

I sure as hell do if those in authority are abusing their power that WE loaned them, and that they think that it is perfectly okay to lie to their employers but Heaven forbid that you should lie to them !
Until the scales are balanced, as they should be, then OUR "employees" will continue to think that they have more Rights then the rest of us.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/10/2017 09:06 AM

Now they don\'t know why he stopped shooting at the crowd. Nothing about this made any sense before, and it still doesn't.

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Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m. and left 58 people dead, with hundreds more injured.

They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.

In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.

Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline. Paddock had killed himself by the time officers entered the room, they said.

In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”

In another news conference last week, Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Campos "had notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us, knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived.”

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

A police spokesperson did not immediately respond to several follow-up questions from the Los Angeles Times seeking clarification on the new timeline.


Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.


Representatives for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the union representing the hotel’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.

The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.

Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

Authorities have begun returning personal items to those who left them behind when fleeing the concert grounds. Clark County Deputy Fire Chief John Steinbeck said 99 people came Sunday to retrieve items from the Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

By late afternoon Monday, a slow trickle of people entered the heavily guarded doors of the center — some arriving on crutches and wearing bandages. A few emerged carrying bags or wheeling suitcases away into the parking lot.
Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/10/2017 05:52 PM

"Now they don't know why he stopped shooting at the crowd. Nothing about this made any sense before, and it still doesn't."

Maybe he stopped (if he ever really started) because somebody else .... Neutralized, Assassinated, Terminated, Liquidated, Taken out, Removed, Rubbed out, Wasted his duppa !

Then he .... Assumed room temperature, Went Belly up, Vacationing in that mysterious place after death, Bit the dust, Bit the big one, Breathed his last, Bought the farm, Dead as a door nail, Dead as a Dodo, Snuffed out, Went Tits up, Counting worms, Slipped on his pine overcoat, Kissed his arse goodbye, Sucking face with the Grip Reaper and finally .....He Cashed in his chips . Heheheheheheheeheee

Basically, he stopped because someone Wacked him to throw a wrench into this whole mess !
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/10/2017 06:26 PM

With the amount of rounds he fired with that bump stock contraption, he might have stopped just because all of his rifles were too danged hot to hold anymore. I heard he had ten of those bump stocks, but I figure that would last less than ten minutes before they got too hot.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/11/2017 08:25 AM

Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/11/2017 08:42 AM

Back in the 70's, a forensic recording "proved" there was a second shooter in the JFK assassination. I didn't believe it then, and a few months later the "forensics acoustics" people retracted their claim.

Echoes are tricky anyway, and recordings are even trickier. For now at least, I'm skeptical.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Archangel1

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/11/2017 10:14 PM

Good analysis. Can't say that I've actually used much calculus in a couple decades but the math makes sense. The tables should be very easy to reproduce from readably available data.

I heard that 7.62 x 39 brass was rumored to be found on concert grounds but I've seen nothing to confirm it. Lies, lies and more lies??

AK FMJ ammo has muzzle velocity at 2430 f/p, so distance should be much less than the 250-275 feet determined from his analysis.
Posted By: Rudy

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/12/2017 01:04 PM

Things I've read:

The shooter was a supporter of Bernie in the last election, then worked for Hillary.

His second plane was titled to an intel agency.

George Soroce(SP)bought into the hotel 60 days prior to the shooting.

The shooting lasted only 15 minutes. It took the cops another 50 minutes to reach the room. That is enough time for the shooter(s) to have fled down the stairs.

The fuel tanks were 2200' away. still within range of an AR-15, but no enough umph to penetrate or cause a fire.

100 pounds of ammonium nitrate and 50 pounds of tannerite were found in his car.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/12/2017 03:36 PM

I don't usually watch Hannity on Faux News, but that wounded security guard is supposed to be on the show tonight. It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/12/2017 07:05 PM

Well that was a waste. I suffered through an hour of Hannity, and the security guard was a no-show.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/12/2017 10:33 PM

Clintonized ???
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/13/2017 03:31 AM

I'm thinking lawyerized. Or just bumped, because the Harvey Weinstein scandal is bigger news than a mass shooting.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/13/2017 03:21 PM

There\'s a mystery developing around the security guard, Jesus Campos. He's either hiding out, or gone missing. If I were his lawyer, I'd be advising him to keep quiet too.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/14/2017 07:28 AM

http://www.shtfplan.com/conspiracy-... ooters-and-subsequent-cover-up_10132017

Las Vegas Massacre Survivor Abruptly Dies Just Days After Posting Eyewitness Account Of Multiple Shooters And Subsequent Cover-Up

Las Vegas shooting eyewitness turns up dead days after posting her highly detailed account of the massacre on Facebook claiming ‘100% more than one’ shooter

(INTELLIHUB) — A woman by the name of Kymberley Suchomel, 28, who attended the Oct. 1 Route 91 Harvest Music Festival, passed away Monday at her Apple Valley home just days after she had survived the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history unscathed, according to multiple mainstream media reports.

Suchomel, who posted her eyewitness account of the Las Vegas massacre in astonishingly vivid detail to her Facebook page on Oct. 4, subsequently passed away in her home on Oct. 9 from what reports are claiming are ‘natural causes.’

Shockingly, just days before her death, Suchomel posted key details about the shooting to Facebook that contradicted the official narrative which claims that Stephen Paddock was the lone gunman.

“From about 50 feet in front of us, and a little to the right, fire crackers were set off. Let me repeat that… FIRE CRACKERS WERE SET OFF. I verbally stated “some asshole just shot of fire crackers in close proximity to so many people”. I was literally pissed off. You could see Jason Aldean look to his left kind of startled by it, but he was also clearly irritated. I would say about 15 seconds later, the first volley of gunfire was released,” the eyewitness wrote.

She went on…

It was a shorter volley than any of the others, and the gunfire was not as close together either. EVERYONE looked up, down, around. We thought it was more fire crackers at first, but then Ricky reached over, told us all to put our boots on, quickly. And the volley ended. Then people started to panic. The gentlemen behind me looked at me as I was putting on my boots, half laying down, and said “calm down crazy, its just fireworks, jeez”.

That is when the 2nd volley went off, Ricky yelled at us all to get down, flat, & we immediately knew there was someone shooting at us. I remember getting down, but I didn’t lay flat for some reason, thinking- oh my gosh, I need to get flatter than I am now, but my body just wouldn’t let me. That was the 2nd volley. At the end of that volley ( I am still struggling to get my boots on), we turned and tried to run, but the people behind us still weren’t moving. I yelled at the lady “RUN! ITS GUNFIRE! RUUUUUUUUUNNNNN!!!”

Third volley of gunfire hits astroturf

According to Suchomel the shooting was ‘close.”

“[When] the 3rd volley hit… and it was close. Very, very close to us. I could physically see the impact of the bullets on the astro-turf, I could feel the warmth & the passing of bullets. Once that 3rd volley was over, Casie linked her arm into mine, and we decided at that moment we weren’t stopping- we were getting the Hell out of there. And I do mean Hell. We were in literal Hell,” she claimed.

“The gentlemen that mocked me stating it was just fireworks fell to the ground, and he never got back up. The lady behind me (who was now in front of me) who was terrified as I told her to run, never got back up. I actually had to physically step over her body to run (something I am still struggling with, so please don’t attack me. I was absolutely in flight-or-fight mode). There was another person to my right who also wasn’t moving. We ran. I don’t know what direction we ran, I don’t know towards which landmark we ran. We just ran. It was at this time our group got split up. Casie & I were together. Ricky, Cassie & Mendy were together.”

Soon after, according to her account, Suchomel started to panic when she realized ‘100%’ that there was more than one shooter and that multiple gunmen were in the crowd!

“We were rounding some sort of corner maybe- and I looked to the right and I saw this large cowboy sitting down with his legs spread, holding a blood-soaked woman. I thought to myself “we NEED to hide”, but as I looked quickly for somewhere to go, the gunfire once again got closer and closer. We couldn’t hide because they (and I do mean THEY) were chasing us. That exact moment is when I started to really panic. That is the exact moment in which I thought this was it, I was going to die, I was never going to see my family again. So, as we are running, we approach this fence where men are throwing women over, and we ran up to it as they had knocked It down, so we were able to get out. As we crossed the threshold of the venue, my mind went straight to other mass shootings and hearing the victim’s families in my head talk about how they never got to say goodbye. I did not want this for my husband (who was at work) & my grandma (who had my daughter, Scarlett). So, at 10:07pm I called my husband franticly leaving him a voicemail- telling him that I loved him and was in the middle of a shooting & I wasn’t sure if I would make it out alive,” she explained.

“Next, while still running, I called my grandma to tell her the exact same thing. But the gunfire wasn’t stopping this whole time. It wasn’t ceasing. It wasn’t slowing down. And It was directly behind us, following us. Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way,” she explained “The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.”

“As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed. So we ended up running in a weird triangular path. The first place I remember getting to was a parking lot, and I told Casie (who was slightly in front of me) we needed to get under one of the trucks. She turned to me and started her way back to me, and that is when the gunfire got even CLOSER than ever before. It was RIGHT THERE. It was within the parking lot. Everyone around us was panicking once again. So we ditched the idea of getting underneath a vehicle, and we continued the run for our lives. If you know me, you know I am a big girl, who is out of shape, and who definitely does not run for any reason. But I can tell you I ran like I have never run before,” she continued in extreme detail.

The 2nd place I remember going by was Hooters- which is where we met back up with the rest of our small group. We ran towards the entrance thinking we could take cover there, but as we got closer, a stampede of people ran out, terrified. We could only conclude that there was another gunman inside of that hotel. This made us even more scared- we had nowhere to go- no one to trust. At some point, we ended up at the airport & even entered the building for safety. Everyone as we entered were screaming at the staff “IS IT SAFE IN HERE?” but we weren’t getting anyone to answer us, so after running about 30 feet into the building, not getting the answers we so desperately needed, we decided it, too, wasn’t a safe spot, so we got out of there quickly and continued running.

After all this running, we were tired, sore & having to stop to cough, gag and even vomit. We ran across an intersection & us & another group of people pleaded with a limo driver to let us in and get us out of there. He was clearly confused & didn’t understand what was going on, so he didn’t let us in. Next, we ran to a taxi van & she was willing to let us in, but she told us her van only held 4 people & she wasn’t going to let the 5 of us in, so we said screw it and continued running. At one point, we ran passed a small liquor store where they so graciously gave us water bottles. We passed UNLV as well.

‘Smaller Hispanic woman’ taunts victims minutes after shooting

Additionally, the eyewitness reported that she was running with her group alongside ‘Tropicana Avenue’ when a ‘dark-colored SUV’ slowed and a ‘smaller Hispanic woman’ emerged from the window to ‘taunt’ her group.

“[She] leans out the window, and she yells something we couldn’t understand in a clearly taunting manner. It really freaked us out, because again, we didn’t know who we could and could not trust,” the eyewitness explained.

Could this ‘smaller Hispanic woman’ have been the same ‘short Hispanic lady’ reported by another eyewitness to have threatened concertgoers 30-45 minutes before the shooting started?

Eight days later Suchomel was found dead in bed by her grandmother who arrived at Schomer’s residence at 8:30 a.m.

According to an Oct. 9 report confirming Suchomel’s death, Suchomel “was taking medication for a pituitary tumor and feared to fall asleep at night after being heavily traumatized by the Oct. 1 massacre.

Suchomel’s death may also be the reason that Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos is receiving 24/7 high-profile security protection.

Note: The actual Facebook post made by Suchomel was removed after the original article began to go viral.
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/14/2017 07:33 AM

A total of 10 windows were knocked out of Mandalay Bay the night of the shooting, floors 61, 62, 29, 30, and 32?
By Shepard Ambellas -
October 9, 2017

https://www.intellihub.com/a-total-...-mandalay-bay-the-night-of-the-shooting/

Update: One reader suggests that the dark areas are not windows but rather vents that have always been there. If anyone has direct knowledge of this please comment below so that we can update this post.

LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — Video footage has surfaced showing the exterior of the Mandalay Bay presumably the morning after the deadly Oct. 1 mass shooting which may confirm that a total of 10 windows were broken out or removed from the MGM-owned building.

If true the discovery would suggest that multiple active shooters were firing light machine guns from several vantage points backing up numerous police and civilian eyewitness accounts which have since been buried by the legacy media.

Astonishingly, the video shows that a window is possibly missing (possible vent) on both the 61st-floor (41) and the 62nd-floor (42) on the buildings east face which correlates with a police officer’s report of gunfire coming from above the 60th floor.
windows missing mandalay bay
Several windows can be seen missing on floors 61 and 62 of the Mandalay Bay following the Oct. 1 mass shooting which killed 58 people. (Screenshot via Jon/YouTube)

In order to understand the building’s layout, one must take note how “levels 40-42 (numbered as floors 60–62) are designed as penthouse suites, with a penthouse lounge on level 62 for guests staying in the penthouses. Level 43 (numbered as 64) is the Foundation Room, a restaurant, and bar,” according to Wikipedia.

Additionally, there are 3 windows (possibly vents) appear to have been knocked out of the buildings northwest face on floors 29 and 30 or are missing altogether in addition to the two windows the media reported to be knocked out of Paddock’s room and the adjacent room on the 32nd-floor.
missing windows
Three missing windows on the west side of the Mandalay Bay (north face) can be seen missing around the 29th and 30th floors. Taken the morning after the shooting. (Screenshot via Ruptly TV/YouTube)

Three additional windows (possibly vents) can also be seen which appear to be missing on the buildings west face, one on level 39 and two on level 38 which can be seen in the upper left of the following image.
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Three additional windows can be seen missing on Mandalay Bay’s west face, one on level 39 and two on level 38. (Screenshot via Jon/YouTube)

It is also evident that one window is broken out of the northeast corner of Stephen Paddock’s room “32-135” and the adjacent suite, both of which are on the 32nd-floor.
more windows, shooter's nest
LAS VEGAS — This image was captured on Oct.2 and shows two broken windows, one in the shooter’s nest on the 32nd-floor and the other in an adjacent room. (Screenshot via Joe/YouTube)
Posted By: Mexneck

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/14/2017 05:57 PM

Their narrative is falling apart fast. If I was Campos, I'd be very careful right now. Once again no mention or tribute to the victims. Instead the lame stream media and communist went straight to gun control.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/16/2017 05:53 PM

Owner of Vegas hotel rejects police...s more confusion to already bizarre case
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/16/2017 08:54 PM

Jesus Campos is still missing. He vanished sometime after walking into a health clinic. This is getting to be curious.

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The Mandalay Bay security guard who disappeared last week moments before he was scheduled to break his silence in television interviews has not been seen since he went to a walk-in health clinic, his union president said.

David Hickey of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America (SPFPA) told reporters Friday that he got a text the night before saying Jesus Campos was taken to a UMC Quick Care facility, though he did not specify where or whom the text came from.

A spokesperson at the UMC Quick Care, which has eight locations throughout the Las Vegas area, told Fox News on Monday that they had "heard nothing" about Campos visiting them.

Multiple requests from Fox News for SPFPA to comment on the matter were not returned Monday.

Hickey said he was meeting with MGM officials Thursday afternoon in the hours before Campos’ scheduled television appearances, including one with Fox News.
Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/17/2017 07:31 AM

Getting weirder and weirder....

VEGAS SHOOTING -- HELICOPTER MUZZLE FLASHES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mS6LH6V_0U
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/17/2017 10:52 AM

I've seen that video a few times now. It's hard to tell because the camera is moving, but it sure doesn't look like muzzle flashes to me. I'm pretty sure it's a helicopter, but I think we're seeing the aircraft's lights distorted by the camera lens and the camera movement. I'm pretty sure this was taken by a phone camera.

In any event, it appears to be well out of the range of any door gunner, and I can't imagine a sniper firing from a helicopter (yes, I know they do it in the movies). But yeah, it looks weird.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Hawk45

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/18/2017 10:11 AM

The 'security guard' is resurfacing this afternoon on the 'Ellen' show of all things.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/18/2017 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hawk45:
The 'security guard' is resurfacing this afternoon on the 'Ellen' show of all things.
It's bad enough to watch Hannity. I absolutely refuse to watch Ellen.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Hawk45

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/18/2017 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by airforce:
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Originally posted by Hawk45:
[b] The 'security guard' is resurfacing this afternoon on the 'Ellen' show of all things.
It's bad enough to watch Hannity. I absolutely refuse to watch Ellen.

Onward and upward,
airforce [/b]
Amen, me to. I am willing to bet Fox will tell anything he says worth hearing.
Posted By: Mexneck

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/18/2017 10:09 PM

Does the fact that he was on Ellen speak volumes? It may be that he decided there was no better day to resurface than pay day from the highest bidder. But this whole thing still stinks. I have not seen one memorial on the victims. No video from the hospital showing people who were severely wounded. No other interviews from survivors who would corroborate multiple shooters. The helicopter in the video shown has strobe anti-collision lights and are required along with position lights by civilian as well as military aircraft. Not muzzle flashes.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/19/2017 02:22 AM

This might or might not be related, but Mandalay Bay is one of the sponsors of the Ellen Show.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/19/2017 05:54 AM

Vegas Survivor Who Died Suddenly Had Planned Group To Expose Cover-Up

Kymberley Suchomel believed media was covering up multiple shooters

‘It Was Clearly Managed’: Tucker Qu...ker said, “Is that really an interview?”

Mandalay Bay Security Guard Emerges...had bailed on media interviews last week
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/25/2017 01:37 PM

I can't see how it's related, but the brother of the Vegas shooter has been arrested on child pornography charges .

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A brother of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock was arrested in Los Angeles on Wednesday on suspicion of possessing hundreds of images of child pornography, according to authorities.

Bruce Douglas Paddock, 58, was taken into custody at a nursing facility in the 5300 block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard, in the Valley Village neighborhood, and booked at 8 a.m. Television news footage showed Paddock in a wheelchair being loaded into the back of a van by Los Angeles Police Department officers.

Documents filed Tuesday in Los Angeles County Superior Court outlined 20 criminal charges against Paddock, all related to possession of child pornography or the sexual exploitation of children. The felony complaint for the arrest warrant accused Paddock of having more than 600 pornographic images of children or youths, including 10 or more images showing a child younger than 12.

The investigation of Paddock began after evidence was found in a Sun Valley business where he had been squatting, the LAPD said in a statement. The evidence was found after Paddock was evicted, police said.

Paddock was homeless at the time and couldn't be found, the LAPD said, adding that investigations "recently" tracked him to the North Hollywood facility where he was arrested Wednesday....
Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: 30soldier

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/25/2017 05:04 PM

That is weird, but I'm sure there is something to it. And then there is this:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooters-laptop-missing-hard-drive/story?id=50709285

He kills himself but not before making the hard drive magically disappear. Right
Posted By: Archangel1

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/25/2017 09:54 PM

Probably because they need the brother to disappear like the hard drive.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/26/2017 03:58 PM

I'm starting to think we'll end up with more conspiracy theories about this shooting than we have about the JFK assassination.

I don't much care for conspiracy theories, but I have to admit that the guy's home being broken into right after the shooting, and now the missing hard drive, is pretty darn curious.

Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 10/31/2017 06:00 PM

Gee wiz, how does this get explained ?

https://www.intellihub.com/flight-r...pter-rooftop-exfil-may-have-taken-place/


Flight records indicate a covert helicopter rooftop EXFIL may have taken place just minutes after the massacre
By Shepard Ambellas -
October 28, 2017

FAA radar signatures show suspicious activity occurring over the southwest rooftop of the Delano Hotel just minutes after the shooting

LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — Flight records and information obtained by Intellihub show that at least one assailant may have been extracted via helicopter for a 10:21 p.m. EXFIL from the southwest rooftop of the Delano Hotel just four minutes before Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department helicopter N911WY arrived in the vicinity for the first time since shots were fired at crowd goers attending the Route 91 Harvest Music festival around 10:05 p.m., as the timeline indicates.
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Covert helicopter emerges on radar for the first time due south of the Delano Hotel, heading due north. (Screenshot via FlightRadar24.com)

Even more disturbing is the fact that the aircraft’s transponder was transmitting the call sign “SWA4119” which is registered to a Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-7H4 passenger jet with the tail number “WN4119.”
According to the data, SWA4119 was originally scheduled to depart Tulsa (TUL) at 14:10 and arrive in Las Vegas (LAS) at 15:00 but was somehow delayed for over 7-hours giving “SWA4119” a new arrival time of 22:22 (10:22 p.m.) which doesn’t make sense because the craft was headed north and was too close to the airport to be aligned with any of the runaways.

You see, the aircraft that was displaying “SWA4119” between 10:21 and 10:22 p.m., which emerged on radar for the first time at 10:21, absolutely can not be a passenger jet because the actual flight data confirms that the aircraft slowed to a stop then changed its direction abruptly to a due north heading before proceeding to hover over the Delano in a very specific spot for approximately one-minute (i.e. the craft in question was, in fact, a helicopter because jets simply cannot hover or change speed and direction with such intensity.) This means that the operators of the craft were intentionally transmitting a fictitious call sign before going dark (invisible) from radar altogether.

To top it off, the Oct. 1 flight data for Southwest Airlines “WN4119” is showing inconsistencies.

The following screen-capture of the the aircraft’s flight history shows that “SWA4119” landed at 10:22 p.m. at (LAS) despite the fact that a transponder was pinging from the rooftop of the Delano at that exact same time.

Not to mention, the tail number listed for that exact flight is “N227WN” and not “WN4119” as the transponder was emitting in real-time suggesting that the plane on the tarmac that “landed” was “N227WN” which is a different aircraft entirely.
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Flight history for Southwest Airlines flight WN4119. (Screenshot via FlightRadar24.com)

The following image shows the position of where the aircraft was when it was in a solid hover for one-minute.


Who did the helicopter extract? We can safely say that it was an extraction because the aircraft’s transponder was turned off upon leaving the rooftop, not upon approach (i.e. it was trying to mask its exit from the scene.)

To top it off, the Oct. 1 flight data for Southwest Airlines “WN4119” is showing inconsistencies.

The following screen-capture of the the aircraft’s flight history shows that “SWA4119” landed at 10:22 p.m. at (LAS) despite the fact that a transponder was pinging from the rooftop of the Delano at that exact same time.

Not to mention, the tail number listed for that exact flight is “N227WN” and not “WN4119” as the transponder was emitting in real-time suggesting that the plane on the tarmac that “landed” was “N227WN” which is a different aircraft entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=212&v=v0lf5AYWKoE
Posted By: Huskerpatriot

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 11/01/2017 05:37 AM

Maybe 54years from now, a heavily redacted complete account of this tragedy will be released to the public.😕
Posted By: Ducttape

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 11/01/2017 06:45 PM

I do believe that you are quite right there Sir.
Posted By: ConSigCor

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 11/08/2017 08:22 AM

8 Las Vegas Shooting Witnesses Dead One Month After Attack


One month has passed since the Las Vegas shooing and we still do not have answers about what happened in the Mandalay Bay that night, or why eight eyewitness survivors, plus one high profile attorney, have wound up dead.

The official narrative stinks so badly that mainstream media outlets have been forced by their viewers to begin questioning the event. An alliance of mainstream media outlets are now suing authorities in Nevada for covering-up the truth about what happened during the Las Vegas shooting, demanding officials turn over law enforcement records relating to the massacre that left 58 people dead.

But mainstream media is playing catch up. Alternative media and independent investigative journalists have been responsible for pursuing the truth about what happened in Vegas on October 1, and shining a light on the major cover up taking place before our very eyes.

A staggering eight survivors, eyewitnesses and a legal attorney representing key players in the Las Vegas shooting have died in suspicious circumstances. Others are missing. What are the odds on eight people dying, the majority of them very young, in such a short space of time? The odds would be astronomical.

The fact is all of those eight people, every single one of them, had one thing in common, other than being there during the shooting, or having inside information. They all had information on the attack that contradicts the official narrative.

Let’s take a look at each of these victims one by one and examine their conflicting versions of what happened in Las Vegas on October 1.

Dennis and Lorraine Carver

The most recent eyewitnesses to die were Dennis and Lorraine Carver, a married couple from California. Their car suddenly veered off the road outside their home and crashed into a gate, exploding into a fireball on impact, killing both of them instantly. A spokesman for the local fire authority said it took fire fighters over one hour to extinguish the blaze.

After escaping from the Las Vegas shooting intact, they later explained how they were lucky to be alive. Mrs. Carver described how her husband protected her from the “shooters” by shielding them inside a beer refrigerator until it was safe to run away.

After managing to escape, Lorraine posted updates on Facebook to let friends and family know they were OK, saying: “I think the shooters have gone.” Other than saying there were “shooters” during the attack, the Carvers weren’t perhaps as vocal as some other witnesses, and you could perhaps write off their death as a bizarre coincidence if it wasn’t for the loss of Mr. Carver’s phone.

Suspicions surrounding the real nature of their death was raised when, one week after the fatal crash, the couple’s eldest daughter, Brooke Carver, received an item carrying memories of her 52-year-old father through the post.

During the confusion of the shooting, he had lost his phone that was full of photos and videos from the night of the attack. His phone had somehow ended up in the FBI’s possession, but a Las Vegas agent promised to ship the phone back to him.

“When we turned it on, all his photos and messages were still there,” Brooke said.

The question is why did the FBI take three weeks to return the phone?

As has been widely reported, the phones and laptops of eyewitnesses were confiscated and wiped by the FBI, so why was Mr. Carver’s phone returned seemingly intact?

Brooke Carver says “all his photos and messages were still there,” but how would she know if anything had been deleted? She wouldn’t have seen what was on her father’s phone before the FBI had it.

Could the Carver’s have captured something they shouldn’t have? Perhaps unknowingly?

Danny Contreras

In the same week the Carvers died, Danny Contreras, an eyewitness Las Vegas shooting survivor who publicly claimed there were multiple shooters involved in the attack, was been found dead in an empty house in Las Vegas with multiple gunshot wounds.

His body was found in a vacant home in the northeastern valley after a neighbor heard a man groaning inside the building and called 911. Police say Contreras was dead when they arrived at the 5800 block of East Carey Avenue, near North Nellis Boulevard.

The woman who called emergency services to the scene says she didn’t hear any gunshots, but the coroner confirmed that Danny Contreras, 35, died of “multiple gunshot wounds” and ruled his death a homicide.

Mr. Contreras tweeted the day after the attacks saying he was “lucky to be alive” after he was “chased by two gunmen.”

His social media post from his Twitter account, which has since been suspended by Twitter, that was shared several times said: “Feeling lcky to be alive. cant beleive i got out of concert alive! 2 men chasing me with guns. not evry 1 so lcky.”

Chad Nishimura

Chad Nishimura, a Mandalay Bay valet, parked the suspected Las Vegas gunman’s car, and gave an interview saying Stephen Paddock was a “normal guy” who “didn’t have many bags”.

Nishimura gave a statement to ABC affiliate, KITV4 News, but the article was quietly pulled from the network’s website after it began attracting attention.

After his account was published, Nishimura disappeared and all of his social media accounts were deleted. His friends and coworkers saying he is “totally unreachable”.

Chad Nishimura’s account seems to prove that Paddock didn’t carry bags of heavy machine guns and other deadly weapons up to his room. One of the biggest holes in the official story is how Paddock could have smuggled all those weapons up to his room, avoiding detection.

Nishimura’s report of “normal guy” Paddock arriving at the hotel without much luggage totally debunks that theory.

As unverified rumors circulate about his death, did Chad Nishimura’s honesty cost him his life?

Kymberley Suchomel

Kymberley Suchomel went public with claims of witnessing multiple gunmen, and was determined to prove the mainstream narrative is wrong. She even announced plans to set up a survivor’s group to shine a light on the truth about what happened in Las Vegas, and expose the lies.

According to Kimberley, the Las Vegas shooting was carried out by multiple gunmen who were chasing people down in the crowd and shooting them. Her post on Facebook quickly went viral as it confirmed what many had already suspected: The mainstream media “official” narrative that Stephen Paddock was a “lone wolf” gunman was false.

Less than one week after she gave this account, Kymberley was found dead at her house in Apple Valley, California.

Orville Almon

Orville Almon, the lawyer representing the Route 91 music festival and Jason Aldean, the singer onstage when the Las Vegas shooting began, was found dead at home after suffering a “seizure during sleep” – the same cause of death as Kymberley Suchomel.

Almon, a prominent Nashville attorney, his practice included re-negotiating existing agreements and new technology issues, and was renowned for negotiating with law enforcement. However his recent social media posts suggested the experienced attorney was feeling the strain of his latest high-profile case.

Describing meetings with MGM, Las Vegas police, and the FBI as “incredibly strange and complex” to one of his friends on recently made private Facebook threads, the attorney was privy to inside information that the FBI, by announcing they are no longer holding press conferences and the investigation is closed, have chosen to withhold from the public.

John Beilman

John Beilman, who was wanted by federal agents following the discovery of a communications device in the hotel room of the officially identified shooter Stephen Paddock, killed both himself and his disabled daughter in an apparent murder-suicide.

Investigators searched Beilman’s Fairport home the day before he shot his severely disabled daughter and himself, according to sources close to the investigation.

Agents executed a search warrant and raided Beilman’s Williamsburg Drive home the day before he took his daughter, Nicole, into the backyard and shot her and then himself in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun.

Are these people being silenced to cover up the truth?

Whether this series of disturbing deaths and disappearances are purely coincidental or whether there is something deeply sinister afoot has yet to be determined, but the response by law enforcement and mainstream media – in particular their refusal to address the questions that the informed public want answered – is leading many to arrive at the same conclusion.

When you add in “hero” security guard Jesus Campos’ mysterious comings and goings, and inconsistencies surrounding suspected shooter Stephen Paddock’s life and death, the coincidences seem less and less likely to be innocent.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 02/20/2018 01:36 PM

President Trump will propose a ban on bump stocks. If you want one of those dumb things, you better get one now.

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President Donald Trump says he's signed a memo directing the Justice Department to propose regulations to "ban all devices" like bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas massacre.

The president is making the announcement to curb the use of the rapid-fire devices during a ceremony recognizing bravery by the nation's public safety officers.

Trump is responding days after the shooting deaths of 17 people at a Florida high school. He's pointing to the need to propose regulations to ban the device that was used in the October shooting deaths of 58 people in Las Vegas.

White House officials say the president will be meeting with students, teachers and state and local officials to discuss ways of providing more school safety and address gun violence. Past efforts to address gun violence in Congress have failed.
Onward and upward,
airforce
Posted By: The Answer

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 02/20/2018 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by airforce:
President Trump will propose a ban on bump stocks. If you want one of those dumb things, you better get one now.

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President Donald Trump says he's signed a memo directing the Justice Department to propose regulations to "ban all devices" like bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas massacre.

The president is making the announcement to curb the use of the rapid-fire devices during a ceremony recognizing bravery by the nation's public safety officers.

Trump is responding days after the shooting deaths of 17 people at a Florida high school. He's pointing to the need to propose regulations to ban the device that was used in the October shooting deaths of 58 people in Las Vegas.

White House officials say the president will be meeting with students, teachers and state and local officials to discuss ways of providing more school safety and address gun violence. Past efforts to address gun violence in Congress have failed.
Onward and upward,
airforce
I've bump fired a rifle, it's fun. But for me, it's not practical at all. I will never put a bump stock on my AK ever. I want to hit what I'm shooting, my ammo is precious.

Full Auto has one purpose: suppressing fire. This is useful when you want to put enemies' heads down and buy you time to move 100 feet. I don't even need that. I don't want their heads down. I want their heads up. Smile, motherfuckers.
Posted By: mak9030mag

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 02/20/2018 07:17 PM

Ban an assesory for a tool,makes the fool feel safe. Slogan of the day.
Baning things will not stop anything,just make it a little more difficult for anyone to do what they want to do.
Parents aren't encouraged to be parents anymore.the state is parent now.
Teachers don't teach no more they indoctrinate.
Preacher whisper sweat words as approved by the state.
Polotions/government do wrong with no penalties.
On and on it goes. Until the people want to address the root of the problem. Nothing will change.
Posted By: airforce

Re: Las Vegas massacre - 02/20/2018 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by mak9030mag:
Ban an accessory for a tool,makes the fool feel safe. Slogan of the day....
We already ban marijuana, cocaine, meth, and heroin. You know how well that's working out. :rolleyes:

The ironic thing is, it's far from certain that those stupid bump stocks increased the number of casualties at all. Personally, I think he would have killed more had he just fired the rifles normally.

Onward and upward,
airforce
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