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Extremism and the Militia #133
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Extremism and the Militia

The term "extremism" defines exactly nothing. It is a term used to connote an issue no one dare denote. It is a term used by devotees of the cult of moral greyness to 'define' that which they fear the most--principled adherence to truth, morality, and ethics. It is a term used by political moderates to discredit constitutionalists who believe in unalienable individual rights exercised in rational self-interest, the liberty to exercise those rights, and capitalism, which makes possible the acquisition of property--the source of all unalienable rights.

Funk and Wagnalls New Practical Standard Dictionary (1947) defines the word extreme thus: "Ex-treme adj. 1. Being of the highest degree, at best, worst, greatest, etc...." Extreme, then, is a measure of degree. When the word "extreme" is used by political and media smear artists, it is intended to mean an extreme of any degree regardless of its nature. This implication is inherently evil. It means that extreme morality and immorality are equally undesirable; extreme honesty and dishonesty are equally immoral, and extreme virtue and extreme depravity are equally evil.

Defining oneself as a moderate is an admission of being a compromiser and an appeaser. Philosophically, what, then, is the implication of compromise between the truth and a lie? What is the implication of compromise between morality and immorality? What is the ethical implication of compromise between principled action and unprincipled action? The implications are advocacy of lies, immorality, and unprincipled action.

Politically, what is the implication of compromise between unalienable individual rights and collectivism? What is the implication of compromise between liberty and slavery? What is the implication of compromise between capitalism and socialism? The answer is, the same result as the compromise between food and poison--death: the death of unalienable individual rights, the death of liberty, and the death of property. The implications are the advocacy of collectivism, slavery, and socialism.

The term "extremism" is nothing other than a smear; a smear used by self-proclaimed moderates, who have no principles, to defile those who adhere to principled thought and action. It is a terror phrase intended to instill a sense of guilt and uncertainty in the irrational mob by reference to undefined and constantly fluctuating ideological package-deals.

One such package-deal is so-called "white-supremacy". Although racism is implied, the true target of this smear is western culture,(meaning specifically, of course, Anglo-Saxon culture). The deprecation of western culture by moderates notwithstanding, the simple fact they attempt to deny is that if the cumulative impact of minority contributions to western culture were suddenly eliminated from the whole, the advance of western culture would have not been delayed one single day.

Minorities who recognize this fact, those whose rational actions logically embrace the principle of reasoned individual effort as the source of success do, in fact, succeed. Note well that self-appointed minority spokesmen immediately attack those minorities who succeed as traitors to their race! Here, the principle under attack by moderates using the smear "white-supremacy," is reasoned action.

We maintain that race is irrelevant. Rational men are rational men--their skin color is trivia. Irrational men end up exactly where they deserve to be--on the trash-heap.

Another deprecating package-deal term is "isolationism." It is a term used by United Nations one-world socialists, and altruists, to connote lack of selfless concern for the rest of the world. Although no isolationist ever maintained that the rest of the world is of no concern, the smear term "isolationist" is nothing more than a straw man used to misrepresent the principle of patriotism and national self-interest.

The connotation of those who smear others as "isolationists" is that patriotism and national self-interest are evil. Their altruistic goal is to loot the wealth and capital of America and redistribute it to peasants and savages across the world. Their persistent shrieks demanding acceptance of multiculturalism denote nothing less than a demand that a mud hut be viewed as the technological equal of a Skyscraper, a Voodoo priest be given equal status to that of a neurosurgeon, and a story teller be given the same recognition as a literary genius.

We maintain that the premises of one-world socialists, altruists and multiculturalists are unspeakably evil. Productive genius is productive genius--its origin is trivia. Incompetent men deserve exactly what happens to them--failure.

The connotation of those who smear others as "cultists" is that the voluntary freedom of association by individuals is evil. This filthy smear is a direct attack on individual choice, whether that individual choice is rational or irrational.

Philosophically, this smear deliberately sets up the notion that only collective associations are acceptable. All collective associations are, by definition, coercive. They necessarily involve
the use of force; either force by fraud, or force at the point of a gun.

Politically, this smear is the rationalization of unlimited democracy; the belief that might makes right. This smear is a deliberate assault on the philosophical framework of the First Amendment --uncoerced, voluntary individual choice. The uncoerced voluntary choices of individuals are their own individual responsibility. Collectivists deserve exactly what they advocate--slavery.

Pleas for "moderation" are nothing less than pleas for compromise and appeasement; in other words,the primacy of untruth, immorality, and unethical action. "Moderation" is the abrogation of rights, liberty, and property. "Compromise" is the war cry of evil.

The MILITIA has been smeared by moderates, compromisers and appeasers within the chain of command as an extremist organization. We agree with their assessment-- but not their underlying smear. We admire truth, morality, ethical action, unalienable individual rights, liberty to exercise those rights, and acquisition of the origin of rights and liberty--property; meaning, capitalism. In today's political climate our admiration of these philosophical and political values means we hold extreme views. There is no alternative.

There is only one reasonable answer to the question invariably posed by smear artists: "Surely, you don't believe in good and bad, and think in terms of black and white?

The answer is: "You're damn right I do!"


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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I think Barry Goldwater said it best and only with a few words: Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.

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I agree completely RD6.


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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Extremism and the Militia.

What a contradiction in terms.

The American people have MUCH MORE to worry about from extremists like the ELF or ALF than any old militia outfit. M types aren't running around burning down fat cat neighborhoods or research labs in the guise of 'saving the planet'.


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very nice, now if the people would stand up when they hear this extremist tag they stick to everyone that has an actual belief system.


I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.

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(edited right after posting original here. Thought better of it and myself.)


"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson
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Well Put! Ambiguous adjectives are used to define the Militia anymore. What is extremist? What are the factors used to judge what is extreme and what is the baseline for comparison? If being able to defend your family, your home, your life is extreme......what is the flip side of that? I truly don't believe that we as Humans, have survived this long, on a planet where we are not the most powerful predator, if we didn't believe in defending ourselves, our communities, our families, our homes. It is others who would have you believe they are more than capable of protecting you, that ask you to give up this personal responsibility and let them "take care of you". Freedom wasn't fostered on We the People being taken care of, but in We the People taking care of ourselves. When we give over our most basic survival instincts......self defense and self preservation.....we are truly domesticated!


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If they wish to call me an extremist, I'll wear the title proudly. After all, "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." Ayn Rand got that one right!


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I've been called this many times. Never took offence to it as to me extremism in defense of liberty was never a vice. Hell. Took it all the way to the U.S. Supreme court once and will again.


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Its gotten to the point where if you believe in ANYTHING AT ALL, then you're an "extremist."


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You are absolutely correct SBL. So I guess we are all extremeists!


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"Extremism" and "Extremists"...

Hummm... wouldn't these terms relate directly to such people that believe and act on the beliefs that in order for a Nation to be strong, the population must live to serve only the government in slave fashion?

That in order for the Nation to be prosperous, the citizen population must be taxed into poverty so that the government is the only entity that is able to make decisions for all the population?

Those people that believe that the very citizens that work, pay taxes, balance their own checkbooks and manage their households, fight for and defend their country from hostile forces in the world,(foreign and domestic),... are too stupid to vote for the very laws that regulate the country we live in?

Those that believe that it is somehow justified to use unconstitutional forces to persecute, harass, and even destroy the lives of the citizens that are merely striving to keep others in some seat of power... honest?

The very folks that believe it is perfectly alright to adversely manipulate our markets, overtax and undermine our economy, and crippling our prosperity, simply because those certain people have found a highly deceitful and debatably-lawful avenue to do it with?

Wouldn't merely one type of "extremist" be someone who insists that everyone believe only a certain and specific religion, or you are to be labeled an 'infidel' and therefor must die? Much like those that believe if any citizen that even so much as believes in a One True God, Almighty, that these persons must be separated in society and cast out or even eliminated from the rest of the population,(and by death if possible, if these persons refuse to deny the One True God, Almighty)?

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"Extremism" - A person who advocates or resorts to extreme measures, especially in politics: a radical. Belonging or pertaining to "Extremists". [ The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, American Heritage Publishing Co. - 1969. {Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 76-86995} ]

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I do know of some that the terms "Extremism" and "Extremists" most certainly fits very well for... but it is not anyone that I have ever met that has belonged to the American Militia!

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The original post was made in 2006, and it's still viable today 100%.

The only way we're going to change that isn't down a peaceful road. I wish to hell it was, more so than anyone else maybe. But I have to face reality, as we all do.

I love the original post. Who do I ask for permission to reprint it elsewhere?


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Extremism is a relative word. It only has meaning to the party speaking and the person listening.Let's say if somebody breaks into your home and hearing the crash you call the cops. They show up and find him under a bed in your backroom. Instead of waiting till he is ready they toss the bed and drag him out by his foot.
To you he was safely removed, but to him he was manhandled and assaulted by those JBTs.
The problem the media has is they are trying to establish a scale for measuring Extremism as a act while describing it as a mental process. They haven't been able to make a line where they can judge when a thought or way of thinking has gone past rational thought and become Extreme. This is how they reason and not how we the people reason.
Till they do these,"Float" tests and make that determination everything they are against is extreme and every thing they support is Rational.
Kind of like trying to measure how tall a gallon of water is outside of a container.

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We are labeled extreme because we adhere to values they no longer understand because they are extremely greedy, power hungry, corrupt, etc. etc.

We still believe if we do a honest days work we receive a honest days pay. We fear God and pray for our nation. They want to redistribute the wealth to the moochers.They would have my wife in a hisshab and expect me to pray to mecca six times a day.

I could go on for days but everyone here knows their ajenda(sp?) I submit to you who is the extremist, we who want to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and the other inalienable rights our forefathers fought and died for so many years ago. Or those who would impose there will on us?


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I consider those who constantly break their own rules to be the extreme ones.

Imagine if you were playing a game of Monopoly. All the rules are right there. They came with the game. So whether you are 80 or 12, you know what the rules are. There's no excuse to break them. And if you need to see if what you or another player is doing is kosher, you can easily consult the rules.

Halfway through the game, the banker changes the rules on you. You tell him, "Hey, you can't do that. Its against the rules, see." and you show him the rules. The banker ignores you and the game continues. Not longer after, the same thing happens, then it happens again, and again, and again, and again.

Soon the game you are playing doesn't look anything like the original Monopoly board game.

You, the patriot, wanted to obey the rules. The banker, the player with the most power, wanted to ignore the rules and make up his own.

So I ask, Who is the extremist?


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What makes us extreme is the language used here.

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=26;t=000150;p=1#000021

Long story short members like Breacher and Sniper_762x51 are no different than the ATF agents at Waco, willing to purposely kill children to neutralize their enemies.

Mao would have loved these guys.

Imagine if that type of talk, or the actions supported therin would make it to the mainstream media.

Is this the stance of the militia/patriot movement?


"The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." -Jack London
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Originally posted by Tuscarora:
What makes us extreme is the language used here.

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=26;t=000150;p=1#000021

Long story short members like Breacher and Sniper_762x51 are no different than the ATF agents at Waco, willing to purposely kill children to neutralize their enemies.

Mao would have loved these guys.

Imagine if that type of talk, or the actions supported therin would make it to the mainstream media.

Is this the stance of the militia/patriot movement?
Look you walking pile of dog crap, I never said or suggested anything about deliberately or on purpose killing Children and neither did Breacher. I JUST STATED THE SIMPLE FACT THAT IN WAR SHIT SOMETIMES HAPPENS AND INNOCENT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES GET FUCKING KILLED, AND FIREBOMBING AND NUKING CITIES FULL OF NON COMBATANTS INCLUDING CHILDREN WAS DONE BY THE UNITED STATES AND ITS ALLY GREAT BRITTEN DURING WW2.

So don't you go saying I said things that I never said and comparing me to the stinking BATFE...........

Anyone who reads what I posted will know that I never said anything about deliberately Killing Children or any other Non Combatant and neither did Breacher.

You are a coward who doesn't have the courage to do what may be necessary to win a war and you want to condemn those who understand the reality of war and have the courage to do what is necessary.

If you don't like what I just posted that is just too damn bad, and it was you who escalated a disagreement even though a hot disagreement into a personal attack.

There are some things like Child Molester one person does not call another if they want to avoid a physical confrontation, and with me another of those things is Baby Killer. You have crossed the line of what what one man calls another.

I did not call you a Coward in my other post but I have corrected that error in this post.

And one last thing If you wanted to call Breacher and I baby killers you should have done it via PM then I would not have had to defend myself in this public forum.....

If you have anymore to say to me on this issue use the PM feature of this board.

The issue of what may be necessary in a real war needs to be discussed on the board but in a civilized manner which so far it has not been.

If any Administrator or Moderator wishes I will apologize for what I said but only if he admits I never said what he accused me of and apologizes for it.

I just read what else he posted in that topic in response to me and saying I am No Freedom Fighter and a cocksucker is going too far and I will never apologize for what I posted in this topic because I mean every stinking character I Typed. And I didn't say all I should have said.

And as far as backstabbing our Forefathers, I am a direct decedent of one of the Pilgrims and some of my Ancestors fought in the Battle of Concord April 19, 1775 and I am currently trying to find out if any of my Ancestor also stood on Lexington Green that morning, so when you speak of forefathers you are speaking of my Ancestors, since your Ancestors fought on the side of the British, which was the losing side.

We may be involved in a Real Civil War before Fall and instead of getting ready to fight the real enemy we seem to be going to war against our Brother Freedom Fighters. But in his case Tuscarora is no brother of mine and he must feel the same way.


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You liken the consideration of collateral damage to Nukes being dropped in Japan.

So American civilians should get the same consideration as Japanese civilians in Hiroshima? Because that's what it will take to do what? Sorry, I doubt anyone at Lexington green would agree. At a MINIMUM such speech only hurts this movement

Maybe you should read your own posts.


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I apologize to the other members of the board for letting my emotions take control with the result that I posted what I did.

Oh this apology does not apply to Tuscarora since he deserved all of it.

I was going to delete what I posted but what a person says is like a bullet or ICBM,once launched it can not be recalled, so I let it stay. If a Administrator or Mod wants it gone then it is fully within their rights to do so.

I have a lot to say on the issue of what sometimes just happens during a Total War, but I will keep my emotions in check and I will post it when I have more time, I have to go out in a little while to do some work.


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Originally posted by Tuscarora:
You liken the consideration of collateral damage to Nukes being dropped in Japan.

So American civilians should get the same consideration as Japanese civilians in Hiroshima? Because that's what it will take to do what? Sorry, I doubt anyone at Lexington green would agree. At a MINIMUM such speech only hurts this movement

Maybe you should read your own posts.
Here are some truths for you and all like you to digest.

In the real world we all live in the big picture is that it does not really matter if the Militia aka Freedom Fighters never kill or harm one single child or other noncombatant since we will be blamed in the press and held responsible for every noncombatant who dies or is injured at the hands of the Government.

Not one person in the American Militia movement has ever killed or harmed one single child or other innocent person, but yet to the Government and a large percentage of the American People, the Militia is synonymous with Terrorists and the Press is doing a very good job of Libeling and Slandering the Militia, and we let them get away with it.

I am sure that when the war is on, not one Patriot will deliberately target one single child or other noncombatant.

Example, a cop gets into a high speed chase after a speeder and because the cop does not know how to drive he gets killed. So the cop is killed due to his own incompetence but it is the driver of the car the cop was chasing who gets the blame and is charged in the cops death.

That wasn't a very good example but I think you should get my point.

And how about Oklahoma City and McVeigh. What if the Government really was involved in the bombing, most of the people believe McVeigh did it.

Do you really believe that if the Government accidentally killed some children fighting against Freedom Fighters that it would admit it was responsible or would they put the blame on the Freedom Fighters.

A little more to digest.

What if during WW2 an American Soldier had planted a bomb right under the Fuhrer's car and the Soldier was watching and waiting for the Fuhrer to enter the car to blow it and the Fuhrer to hell, and when the Fuhrer approached the car there were four young children with him and they entered the car with the Fuhrer.

What should that Soldier do, and what would you do?

Would you blow up the car with the Fuhrer and the four children in it and end the war, which would save millions of lives including the children who would be gassed in the Camps, or would you be a coward and not do your duty, and sacrifice the lives of millions to save the lives of those four children.

War is hell and people like you need to understand it and accept that sometimes good people have to do bad things for the greater good.

History is written by the Victors and if we lose only ourselves and God will know the truth.


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You are unbelieveable.

I REPEAT.

It is stalinesque to commit evil for the greater good.

The whole ideology of SOCIALISM is to take personal liberty FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

If you kill innocents it is the ultimate loss of freedom to that individual. The Constitution is about INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms.

I'm not trying to attack you. I'm trying to reason with you please.


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What's the number? What is the limit on how many innocents you can purposely kill. When is one too many?

How many murdered innocents are the fuher worth?


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Once Things are rolling the JBT's of this land will be taking enough innocent life for both sides,and I'm sorry to say that that's what will turn the people (inevitably) to our side. SEMPER FI


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Extremeism is only such to those who are not like minded and quick to point their finger because they don't know or unwilling to comprehend the situation at hand or admit they are part of the problem. That's why they are Despots & Tyrants.

I don't believe that those of us involved in the Malitia movement to defend this Nation of Ours against despotism and tyranny can or will be judged as extremeist when we get this Nation cleaned up and restored as it should be.

At least not the Patriotic in my book.

Now the Liberals, in many cases, will naturally take a different view point but they are the cause of this situation from what I seen. If not they certainly are aiding and abetting it!

And so, especially during these present times, extremesim may well be called on, despots & tyrants are like fungus, they cling tenaciously to their corrupt self-serving thinking and actions.

In actuality it is we who should be pointing the finger and calling names and justly so IMHO!!

I feel that if your actions are just and warranted
without attempting to cause undue harm it's hard to label them as extreme. But rest assured the despots sure will in their usual manipulative maner.

God Bless The U.S.A. and all Patriots fighting to keep her alive and well!!


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"Now is the time for all good men too come to the aid of their country".

Good is never evil and evil is never good!
Killing evil men is good!It's just that simple!

Now is not the time to jump ship men.We are the ultimate authority under the U.S.Constitution.But,only if we have the consent of "We the People"("Consent of the governed")!Also,I concur with all who bar Main Stream Media access.That being said,we do need to work on our Public Relations(no more unanswered GOV/MEDIA hit pieces).There is a need to recruit present and former local/national well know reporters.To show support for us tell the truth about the militias(men who love America).Setup phone in/on-line polls(not on militia sites),videos supporting Militia and a day for the people to show support by fling the American Flag like it were a holiday.With a three prong PR attack against the socialist we can bring the Propaganda war home to the enemy and show the people we are acting on their behalf with their best interest at heart.

"Consent of the governed" is a phrase synonymous with a political theory where in a government's legitimacy and moral right to use state power is only justified and legal when derived from the people or society over which that power is exercised. This theory of "consent" is historically contrasted to the divine right of kings and has often been invoked against the legitimacy of colonialism.

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Perhaps now would be a good time to remember who is who and what is what.
If you call me some vile what eve, who cares? It harms me not, and certainly harms my family not. You are like I am, a bleeding, crapping, eating Soverigein man on the land of our fathers. You can't slander me because I am not a fictious entity, and neither are you, and our opinions are our own.
Next since I am not on active duty status, called up by the Governor of my State Republic, I am not a militia. I am just a man. I am superior to all of that since that is part of the Office of Government. The only Office higher than me, the Office of man, is the Office of my God Father Yahweh and he didn't call me those words so who cares.
However those vile fictions in the Alphabet Agencies of the Fiction of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA inc do care and will make special notes on your exclamations and explanations of your thoughts and may pay you a visit if you insist on speaking ill of their Masters.

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Gentlemen you are ALL missing the point. If you want to write the History, you HAVE to be the winners!

Right, Wrong, or indifferent that is the plain fact.

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War can be Hell but there is one sure thing, the radical muslims that are waging Jihad against us as I write this,
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=214245 are the ones invading our Nation with the idea of turning us into an radical islamic country under Sharia law!

To hell with that crap, most of them deserve to die!

They just don't realize they picked on a group of very loving individuals who get thoroughly PISSED OFF when they attempting to take our FREEDOMS AWAY and we'll send them about a million very pointed messages in short order!!

We are just like a Momma Bear or Wolverine
guarding it's den, Screw with us and we'll tear you to shreads and leave your sorry ass for the Buzzards to clean up!!


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Just look at the recent cut job in Time Magazine on "Extreme Militias" citing the Ohio group and you will see that, Learning land nav, survival skills and shooting practice are more than enough to lable you extreme.

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It should just be nationwide SOP for all Militia units to deny ANY requests for interviews or media events, period.

I look at it from a practical standpoint. I ask myself two questions:

1. Q: What do I have to lose?
A: Compromised operational security, unjustifiably damaged reputation, targeted for investigation and harassment by local LEOs, etc.

2. Q: What do I have to gain?
A: Maybe a few new recruits. After filtering them out, you'll be lucky if you have more than one FNG worth keeping.


If your unit agrees to the interview, expect to be demonized, and cast as wacko social outcast racist extremists. Even if not a single bad thing is said or even implied, the media will do everything possible to try to somehow associate you with racists, murderers, and Holocaust deniers.

If you don't agree to the interview, they'll simply move on to the next unit and so on until they find one that is willing. Then the media will make that unit look like schmucks, which in turn will make every Militia unit look like schmucks.

However, if the media simply can not find a single unit to do an interview with, they have nobody to directly demonize. If they go ahead and write up a hit-piece article anyway, it will look even more biased because they will have gotten only one side of the story (likely that of the ADL and SPLC). To the reader, it will be completely obvious that the article is bogus.


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On training: Our drills are bloodless battles so that our battles are bloody drills.
On tactics: Cheating just means you're serious about winning.
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That is why we have never and will never talk to the press!

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I agree with you SBL, the media for the most part is very biased and overly Liberal in their thinking when it comes to anything that involves guns and especially individuals such as ourselves who are Out To Benefit this Nation.

It seems that their distorted thinking stems from the fact they really have no confidence in themselves or selfworth and therefore can have no confidence in anyone else either that thinks differently from how they do and are unwilling to take a good look at their own actions and inactions to realize what they are and aren't doing? They are the true Sheep always being led around and obediently following rather than attempting to stand on their own two feet and be responsible for their actions and statements as we are.

As such they are highly suspicious of individuals like us who seem totally foreign to them as well as our ideals we are willing to strive for.

I find it very interesting just how closely, Liberalism and the Democratic parties thinking is to that of Islsam and how quickly both are so willing to cast defamatory remarks in the name of alleged right and justice in an attempt to give creedance to their distorted way of thinking while never accepting there is any other way of thinking! A true narrow minded despotic and tyrannical danger indeed.

Getting back to the media, it is really a pathetic
situation that for the most part the true unbiased
facts are not being brought forth so everyone can truely see and know what's going on and that the Militia's, be they individuals or small groups are
the true Patriotic Citizens that keep this nation glued together irregardless of their attempted deffermation tacticts!

Always bear in mind that as long as our cause is just and warranted, as best we can determine given the circumstances we are aware of, there
is No Dishonor in our actions to help retain Our
Republic and strengthen it! Irregardless of who might say differently

The dishonor is in the Liberals willingness to allow the Muslims, Sharia and all the Despots & Tyrannts along with allowing an Alien Usurper to stay in the WH so as to advance their domination in our nation without regard for the fact it's foreign to our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights as well as ultimately their own well being!! But who amongst them really has their eyes open and is willing to really accept what is happening right before them? I guess I expect too much for that to happen.

So in the end, extremeism or extremists are always those strange individuals that are not conformists and won't allow themselves to be lead around with any damn ring in their nose as the sheep don't have enough self worth to realize the difference.

That is really pathetic but it's what we are up against and we need to be cautious as they will attempt to make us look bad at every turn if given the chance. So as SBL says don't give it to them.

They probably wouldn't comprehend our thinking anyway so why even attempt to justify our actions!
Are they looking at their own actions or inactions, No! They are only pointing their finger attempting to redirect the blame so as not to have to take responsibility.


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They can call me whatever the hell they want. American white male who believes in the constitution and loves the United States equals extremists to leftist media and liberal brain-dead masses. Its no use to even think about that, in my opinion. They will never understand what we are about. No matter how right we are. Ive been trying to explain and debate liberals with overwhelming facts for the last 15 years and have not made a dent. The discussion is over and it may be time to try a different approach, in my humble opinion.

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Originally posted by SBL:
It should just be nationwide SOP for all Militia units to deny ANY requests for interviews or media events, period.

I look at it from a practical standpoint. I ask myself two questions:

1. Q: What do I have to lose?
A: Compromised operational security, unjustifiably damaged reputation, targeted for investigation and harassment by local LEOs, etc.

2. Q: What do I have to gain?
A: Maybe a few new recruits. After filtering them out, you'll be lucky if you have more than one FNG worth keeping.


If your unit agrees to the interview, expect to be demonized, and cast as wacko social outcast racist extremists. Even if not a single bad thing is said or even implied, the media will do everything possible to try to somehow associate you with racists, murderers, and Holocaust deniers.

If you don't agree to the interview, they'll simply move on to the next unit and so on until they find one that is willing. Then the media will make that unit look like schmucks, which in turn will make every Militia unit look like schmucks.

However, if the media simply can not find a single unit to do an interview with, they have nobody to directly demonize. If they go ahead and write up a hit-piece article anyway, it will look even more biased because they will have gotten only one side of the story (likely that of the ADL and SPLC). To the reader, it will be completely obvious that the article is bogus.
Some representatives of a new political party for the state of Washington came to my area one time and they booked a theater for their presentation. I don't remember how I learned of it but I went to check them out. Frankly I was amazed at what they said and asked a few questions. Afterward when it was breaking up
a young reporter asked me what I thought about it all. It was my first time talking to a reporter. Well what she had printed in the local rag everything I said she took out of context and twisted it into something else. It's easy enuf to see she was drinking the kool aid. I've never spoken to media since except to reintroduce to them the words George Carlin told us we can't say on the air or generally in print.


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Originally posted by SBL:
[b] It should just be nationwide SOP for all Militia units to deny ANY requests for interviews or media events, period.

I look at it from a practical standpoint. I ask myself two questions:

1. Q: What do I have to lose?
A: Compromised operational security, unjustifiably damaged reputation, targeted for investigation and harassment by local LEOs, etc.

2. Q: What do I have to gain?
A: Maybe a few new recruits. After filtering them out, you'll be lucky if you have more than one FNG worth keeping.


If your unit agrees to the interview, expect to be demonized, and cast as wacko social outcast racist extremists. Even if not a single bad thing is said or even implied, the media will do everything possible to try to somehow associate you with racists, murderers, and Holocaust deniers.

If you don't agree to the interview, they'll simply move on to the next unit and so on until they find one that is willing. Then the media will make that unit look like schmucks, which in turn will make every Militia unit look like schmucks.

However, if the media simply can not find a single unit to do an interview with, they have nobody to directly demonize. If they go ahead and write up a hit-piece article anyway, it will look even more biased because they will have gotten only one side of the story (likely that of the ADL and SPLC). To the reader, it will be completely obvious that the article is bogus.
Some representatives of a new political party for the state of Washington came to my area one time and they booked a theater for their presentation. I don't remember how I learned of it but I went to check them out. Frankly I was amazed at what they said and asked a few questions. Afterward when it was breaking up
a young reporter asked me what I thought about it all. It was my first time talking to a reporter. Well what she had printed in the local rag everything I said she took out of context and twisted it into something else. It's easy enuf to see she was drinking the kool aid. I've never spoken to media since except to reintroduce to them the words George Carlin told us we can't say on the air or generally in print.

They called themselves the Constitutionalist Party of WA state.
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I have dealt with press off and on over the course of 30 years with varying degrees of success. These days the best bet is to just run your own public relations department and shunt press interviews over to them and press conferences where you have same level of control. Another trick is to have registration and controlled access t the press conferences.

For all his tactical shorcomings, Ammon Bundy does a pretty good job of handling mainstream media. I would say that Ammon Bundy does better for public image with hostile mainstream media people than a fair number of militia guys have done with Pete Santilli.


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I have always thought only one person from a unit who is well verse in media tactics should be a spokesman for that unit.. You must teach other members to keep their mouths closed in the medias presence.. I wish we could have only one wise spokesman for the whole militia movement, but the country is too big and militia problems to far and diverse for that to happen..

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