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Show Us the Death Certificate! #152804
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Anybody else think it oddly ironic that President Obama interrupted Celebrity Apprentice to tell us this? smile

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And I'd really, really like to know just whose idea it was to bury him at sea. Conspiracy theories will commence in five... four... three...

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Can we expect to see the chem and bio arty shells the Libyan rebels sold show up here in one form or another.

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Well, I think it makes sense. They're SUPPOSED to bury the body within 24 hours, and they certainly don't want a physical location that can become a pilgrimage sight for followers. I would like to see photos and the DNA match though. That would definitely confirm it. Why have these not surfaced yet?

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And the "deather" movement was born!

The burial at sea makes me wonder about the validity of the whole thing. It's terribly convenient that the body will not be able to be recovered.

Almost as convenient as this happening right after his "birth certificate" was released. Just as the campaign season is kicking off.

Maybe next week he'll announce a cure for cancer.

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Burial at sea doesn't create a "mecca" at which the crazies can converge...

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Another controversial distraction tailor made to divert us from more pertinent issues.

An observation: I was watching the coverage over at a friend's house-on Faux-and the obliviousness, the jingoism, the cheering for the gulag and torture, the childlike acceptance of the government's account and the immediate throwing a pale of fermented diarhhea on any suggestion of questioning the absurdidty of their account... it will literally take for each of those people to be the next victim of the beast for them to see things the way they are.


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What is wrong with having a "mecca" that the crazies can converge at? It gives good stable regular grid coordinates.


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I bet that they release the pictures within the next week. Apparently he was shot through the head a couple times, so they are certainly going to be graphic.

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1. Re: AF's statement that it was ironic that Obama's announcement came as Celebrity Apprentice was on--ironic, perhaps. The news media was informed about this several hours prior to the WH TV appearance. Obama had it in for Trump. It was deliberate and cynical. (I don't watch the program, but have seen enough of Obama's "I'll get even with you" attitude to strongly suspect it was meant to steal ratings).

Re: RRR's comment about the burial. This crazy government went to far as to have a Muslim Chaplain give him a Islamic service, wrap OBL in white, and have his body cleansed before throwing him overboard. I'm sure the awaiting fish were more than pleased at this effort to comply with Islamic practices.

3. Re: J Croft's comment about this being a distraction. Indeed, it was. It does not take since August 10th 2010-when we received info regarding his location--to the present to launch this effort. Knowing OBL's tendency to frequently move, waiting 9 months was certainly not for the purpose of getting all our ducks in a row.

Now, let's see how many time Obama claims success in stopping revenge attacks before the November elections. The media will love it. Anything to get the minds of people on something other than the economy, jobs, and the take-over of our freedoms.


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When all those NAZI's were hanged for war crimes after WWII, their bodies were cremated and their ashes unceremoniously dumped into the Rhine, just so their tombs wouldn't become symbols for any national socialists that were still around. So, I can see why bin Laden was buried at sea. But affording him the dignity of a religious service, at taxpayer expense, just seems, well, a little much. And, really, why the rush?

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Well, I was right. The conspiracy theories have begun. And Paul Craig Roberts raises some interesting points :

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If today were April 1 and not May 2, we could dismiss as an April fool’s joke this morning’s headline that Osama bin Laden was killed in a firefight in Pakistan and quickly buried at sea. As it is, we must take it as more evidence that [b]the US government has unlimited belief in the gullibility of Americans.

Think about it. What are the chances that a person allegedly suffering from kidney disease and requiring dialysis and, in addition, afflicted with diabetes and low blood pressure, survived in mountain hideaways for a decade? If bin Laden was able to acquire dialysis equipment and medical care that his condition required, would not the shipment of dialysis equipment point to his location? Why did it take ten years to find him?

Consider also the claims, repeated by a triumphalist US media celebrating bin Laden’s death, that "bin Laden used his millions to bankroll terrorist training camps in Sudan, the Philippines, and Afghanistan, sending ‘holy warriors’ to foment revolution and fight with fundamentalist Muslim forces across North Africa, in Chechnya, Tajikistan and Bosnia." That’s a lot of activity for mere millions to bankroll (perhaps the US should have put him in charge of the Pentagon), but the main question is: how was bin Laden able to move his money about? What banking system was helping him? The US government succeeds in seizing the assets of people and of entire countries, Libya being the most recent. Why not bin Laden’s? Was he carrying around with him $100 million dollars in gold coins and sending emissaries to distribute payments to his far-flung operations?

This morning’s headline has the odor of a staged event. The smell reeks from the triumphalist news reports loaded with exaggerations, from celebrants waving flags and chanting "USA USA." Could something else be going on?

No doubt President Obama is in desperate need of a victory. He committed the fool’s error of restarting the war in Afghanistan, and now after a decade of fighting the US faces stalemate, if not defeat. The wars of the Bush/Obama regimes have bankrupted the US, leaving huge deficits and a declining dollar in their wake. And re-election time is approaching.

The various lies and deceptions, such as "weapons of mass destruction," of the last several administrations had terrible consequences for the US and the world. But not all deceptions are the same. Remember, the entire reason for invading Afghanistan in the first place was to get bin Laden. Now that President Obama has declared bin Laden to have been shot in the head by US special forces operating in an independent country and buried at sea, there is no reason for continuing the war.

Perhaps the precipitous decline in the US dollar in foreign exchange markets has forced some real budget reductions, which can only come from stopping the open-ended wars. Until the decline of the dollar reached the breaking point, Osama bin Laden, who many experts believe to have been dead for years, was a useful bogeyman to use to feed the profits of the US military/security complex.
Interesting. I wonder if this theory has legs.

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They should've put a tall spike @ Ground Zero, with his head fixed atop it. Then I'll believe they got the bastard.


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If the body is under 1000's of feet of water.How do we know it was Usama?And,why would the Navy give that man a Navel burial at sea with full military Honors?

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Yep, it has legs. From the Los Angeles Times:

[i]Oh-oh![/i] What if the dead guy wasn\'t Osama bin Laden?

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Breaking News: These further details just released about the Bin Laden raid......... the Easter Bunny, working for US Special Forces, was inserted by a Blackhawk first...he got close enough to provide covering fire for Santa, who bravely breached the compound and took him out in a fire-fight!

Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed and aqua man were providing logistical support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWXitiZyDto

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritain-covering-continue-war-terror.html


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Bin Laden\'s sea burial fuels conspiracy theories. Gee, who woulda thunk it.

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GRUESOME BIN LADEN PICTURE RELEASED BY WHITE HOUSE

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I'm not sure this photo is going to put any conspiracy theories to rest. laugh

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This is a pretty embarrassing admission , via the New York Times:

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The new Defense Department narrative released by the White House, and read at a White House news briefing on Tuesday, said that one of Bin Laden’s wives was shot in the leg as she charged members of the commando team on the third floor of the compound.

“In the room with Bin Laden, a woman – Bin Laden’s wife – rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed,” the brief statement said. “Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.”

Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, read the narrative in an attempt to correct statements by administration officials who had suggested that Bin Laden was armed during the raid.

Under questioning, Mr. Carney said that the White House stood by its claim on Monday that Bin Laden had resisted capture, but said that “resistance does not require a firearm.” Mr. Carney said that the new narrative was the result of “fresh” information.

...On Monday, John O. Brennan, the top counterterrorism adviser to President Obama, said he believed that Bin Laden’s wife had been killed while trying to shield the terror leader during the 40-minute raid.

But the narrative released Tuesday by Mr. Carney suggested that the woman who died in the raid was part of another family living at the compound. The narrative says that woman was shot and killed on the first floor, not the third floor, where Bin Laden was found and killed.
So, just to get this straight, his wife wasn't killed while Osama was using her as a human shield. She wasn't his wife, and she wasn't killed. She wasn't even on the same floor as bin Laden. Bin Laden wasn't engaged in a firefight with the SEAL team when he was killed. He wasn't even armed.

And people wonder why conspiracy theories spread so quickly. Guys, when it comes to something as historically important as this, you really have to get your facts straight the first time.

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Let's keep the alphabet guys busy trying to counter the conspiracy theories.

You know that once they have free time on their hands, they will turn their attention and hi-tech crayons onto anyone who disagrees with the anointed one, counting such a person a "domestic terrorist."


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I don't like the source but when lies is all you get from BHO,this is you can get...OBL death pic take ten years ago and released last year....Let's see them spin this in their favor.
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Reportedly, the raiders were prepared to take Bin Laden alive. In fact we know they were, because they had plastic cuffs and everything. But, apparently, Attorney General Eric Holder was not prepared for such an outcome :

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“That’s a hypothetical. I’m not sure it’s particularly relevant,” Holder said in response to a question from Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)....

“I think it’s fair to ask, since you opposed a military trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whether you would have opposed a military trial for Osama bin Laden,” Lungren said.


Again declining to answer, Holder said that his position on military tribunals has often been mischaracterized. He noted that, on the same day in November 2009 that he announced a civilian trial for Mohammed, he announced that five other detainees would get military trials.

“I think our military commissions, especially since they’ve been modified, are constitutional and can give fair trials,” he said.

Holder also pushed back against another line of questioning from Lungren, about whether information provided by detainees who underwent “enhanced interrogation techniques” like waterboarding contributed to finding bin Laden. Holder said there was “a mosaic of sources” of intelligence, and he did not go into details.
And in March of last year, he avoided the same question :

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(...)"The reality is that we will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama Bin Laden - he will never appear in an American courtroom."(...)

Holder repeated - slowly - to the Texas congressman that "the possibility simply does not exist" that Bin Laden will ever be arraigned in any court....

"The possibility of capturing him alive is infinitesimal - he will be killed by us or he will be killed by his own people," Holder said.
So, was Osama bin Laden killed because he resisted? Or because taking him alive would have hopelessly confused the Attorney General?

I'll let you decide. However, it's interesting to note that when the Obama administration changed course and announced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would be tried by a military commission instead of a civilian court, Eric Holder insisted that his original decision was correct and stormed off the podium.

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Obama won\'t release the bin Laden death photos.

Because, you know, it might inflame the Middle East. I'm not kidding. I'm serious. That's the reason.

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A thought just occurred to me. In the Obama administration, it's okay to break into a man's home and assassinate him. But don't even think about waterboarding him. That's a no-no.

Makes perfect sense to me! laugh

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I guess it's a case of when you really don't have any set of moral standards, "the end justifies the means." Maybe ?


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...when you really don't have any set of moral standards...
I think that says it all, right there. Morality is something that is pretty hard to fake.

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United Nations wants "supporting facts" on bin Laden\'s assassination--er, killing.

If the administration has any brains at all, they'll keep Eric Holder out of sight, Hillary Clinton will call her lawyer, and they\'ll give John Bellinger the job of explaining the legality of the raid .

Really. He's the best guy in the administration. And he isn't even in the administration. Go figure.

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Here is an exchange between Deputy State Department spokesman Mark Toner and a reporter:

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QUESTION: But did it abide by international laws?

MR. TONER: Again, I’m not going to get into a discussion here. That’s – that can be debated elsewhere.
Um, you're the Department of State. If you're not going to debate it here, then where, exactly, should it be?

I think the commandos did a wonderful job in taking down bin Laden. Unfortunately, everything the government has done since then has been pretty amateurish, or worse.

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Personally, I think this monster is dead. But, I also think the administration is filled with so many lies, it is begging for people to question anything they say.

Just consider their latest version that Bin Laden will killed on the third story of the building while not being armed, but indicating that he would reach for a weapon.

OK. They say that they killed the sole armed combatant at the entrance to the house. Gun fire heard. Shouts from others in the house. BinLaden's son taken out, along with 4 others. SEAL team acknowledging cleared rooms.

Now, to the third floor. If you were in that room, after all the gunfire...would you be sitting down discussing the week's stock market with your fifth wife ? Or, would you have that AK-47 in your hand, ready to go out fighting ? By eyewitness accounts, the whole episode took around 40 minutes. If it was only 3 minutes, you can be sure that Bin Laden would have been armed.

The latest version depicts Bin Laden pushing his wife toward the first SEAL in the room, and then reaching for the rifle. I'm sorry. I'm not buying it.

After the first shot, anyone with half a brain would already have the AK-47 in hand.

It doesn't matter to me how they took him out, but they paint such fanciful stories--that keep changing--who can blame people for doubting each and every version ?


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Personally, I think this monster is dead. But, I also think the administration is filled with so many lies, it is begging for people to question anything they say.

Just consider their latest version that Bin Laden will killed on the third story of the building while not being armed, but indicating that he would reach for a weapon.

OK. They say that they killed the sole armed combatant at the entrance to the house. Gun fire heard. Shouts from others in the house. BinLaden's son taken out, along with 4 others. SEAL team acknowledging cleared rooms.

Now, to the third floor. If you were in that room, after all the gunfire...would you be sitting down discussing the week's stock market with your fifth wife ? Or, would you have that AK-47 in your hand, ready to go out fighting ? By eyewitness accounts, the whole episode took around 40 minutes. If it was only 3 minutes, you can be sure that Bin Laden would have been armed.

The latest version depicts Bin Laden pushing his wife toward the first SEAL in the room, and then reaching for the rifle. I'm sorry. I'm not buying it.

After the first shot, anyone with half a brain would already have the AK-47 in hand.

It doesn't matter to me how they took him out, but they paint such fanciful stories--that keep changing--who can blame people for doubting each and every version ?
Of course,he's dead.It's just the time(or timing) of his death that is a little off.By about ten years.This is the signal,"Bin Laden is Dead"(as in,John has a long mustache) to a world wide network of terrorists/Military/NWO agents to begin the final phase of the end of America plan.

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There's been a lot made of that forty minutes on the ground, but I suspect the actual combat time could probably be measured in seconds. They certainly would not have given the people inside the compound very much time to react.

The rest of that forty minutes would have been spent identifying prisoners and bodies, gathering intelligence, and loading everything into the helicopter.

That's how it would have happened. Why the administration can't simply say that, rather than try to embellish the story (which really needs no embellishing) and then have to backtrack on it, is beyond me. As I said, it's amateurish.

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