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The war on homeschoolers #158508
05/11/2015 02:11 PM
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Kentucky Police seized ten children from an “off grid” homeschool family in Kentucky on Wednesday after receiving an anonymous tip about the family’s traditional lifestyle.

https://youtu.be/WgAHyLReCR4

Homeschoolers interrogated on guns, vaccines
Caseworker demands: 'Follow public school' curriculum


Leo Hohmann


It all started with an unwanted knock on the door by a government worker and it’s being answered with a $60 million lawsuit.

A New Jersey family is suing the state child-protection agency after it allegedly sent a caseworker to their home to interrogate them on everything from their son’s homeschool education to questions about vaccines and guns in the house.

Christopher Zimmer and his wife Nicole of Belvidere filed a civil rights complaint in April in U.S. District Court in Trenton alleging “unlawful and unconstitutional home intrusion.”

“I won’t forget that morning for a long, long time,” said Christopher Zimmer, thinking back to Tuesday, Jan. 13, which began with a caseworker knocking on his front door.

He said Michelle Marchese, a caseworker for the state Division of Child Protection and Permanency, demanded she be let inside the house, “Now!” according to court documents. Startled by the aggressive confrontation, Christopher Zimmer asked the purpose of her visit.

Marchese refused to answer the question, saying only that 15-year-old Christopher Zimmer Jr. was not getting a “proper education” and she was at the Zimmer home under the authority of DCP&P to make sure they were homeschooling their son “correctly,” the suit states.

Not knowing the extent of his rights, Christopher Zimmer phoned local police. The police arrived on the scene but allowed Marchese to enter the home and continue to issue threats to the family and inspect the house, all without a warrant, the lawsuit states.

Get a copy of the new blockbuster release, “Crimes of the Educators: How Utopians are Using Government Schools to Destroy America’s Children,” by journalist Alex Newman and Samuel Blumenfield.

The Zimmers let the woman inside, attempting to prove they had nothing to hide, but after two hours of what the family described as intense interrogation, it became clear this issue would not be quickly resolved.

“My fear was, if I didn’t let her in the house, if I had closed the door and didn’t let her in the house then the police would be knocking at the door and think I’m hiding something,” Christopher Zimmer Sr. told the Warren Reporter.

The questions started out simple, about home life and happiness, but Zimmer said the questions quickly turned pointed and intrusive.

Marchese demanded to see records on textbooks used, attendance and test scores, the lawsuit states, when in fact New Jersey law doesn’t require homeschool parents to maintain and turn in such records to the state.

Marchese then allegedly told the Zimmers that their homeschooling materials “had to include what the public school system would have taught him, and that they had to both work with the public school and follow the public school curriculum,” according to the lawsuit.

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In fact there is no such requirement for homeschooling curricula to line up with what’s taught in the public schools, according to state regulations published on the New Jersey Department of Education website.

“The law does not require or authorize the local board of education to review and approve the curriculum or program of a child educated elsewhere than at school. When parent/guardian educate a child elsewhere than at school, they are responsible for the educational outcomes of the child. The local board of education is not required or authorized to monitor the outcomes of the child.”

Marchese then began to interrogate the couple’s 15-year-old son about his school work.

Zimmer said he told Marchese she had no legal authority to be in his home questioning his family about what type of education their son was receiving.

More questions about guns, ammo

Marchese then asked the boy what he wanted to be when he grew up. He said he wanted to be a Marine scout sniper.

She asked the boy why and before he could answer she asked him if he’d ever played the video game “Call of Duty.”

Zimmer again told his son he did not have to answer the question because Marchese had no legal right to be in the home interrogating the family about schooling techniques.

Marchese said she had the authority to be there and asked if their son was up to date on his vaccines. The boy’s mother, Nicole Zimmer, said she had concerns about the risks of vaccines and was provided a religious exemption.

Marchese then demanded that the Zimmers sign a HIPAA medical release form that would allow DCP&P to have full access to all of their son’s medical records. She also demanded the last four digits of the couple’s Social Security numbers so she could run a background check on them.

And that’s not all.

The questions get more intense

According to the suit, Marchese ask the boy if his parents ever argued, whether they threw things at each other, whether they drank alcohol or used drugs.

The boy answered no to all of the questions.

Marchese then asked the boy if there were any guns in the house, and he looked at his father. His father assured the caseworker that his firearms were legally owned and locked in a safe.

Marchese then asked who had the keys to the safe. Mr. Zimmer said he had the keys. She then demanded to see the firearms and where the boy sleeps.

Once at the safe Marchese tried to open it herself but it wouldn’t open.

Marchese then asked Zimmer if the ammunition was kept separate from the firearms.

She also demanded that he remove the guns from the safe and show them to her, which he did.

Get a copy of the new blockbuster release, “Crimes of the Educators: How Utopians are Using Government Schools to Destroy America’s Children,” by journalist Alex Newman and Samuel Blumenfield.

The woman then attempted to quote from a New Jersey law requiring that guns and ammo be kept separate.

She then went to Zimmer’s son’s bedroom and inspected it, asking if the teen had ever “appeared suicidal,” according to the suit. Zimmer said no.

A tip from a child?

The Zimmers believe the intrusive visit was brought on by a confidential tip about “improper homeschooling” from a minor child known to their son.

“If they had come with a complaint of neglect and abuse, come in and ask us, but to question us about home schooling. … For us it was a good choice, and I will always advocate for home schooling,” Nicole Zimmer told the Warren Reporter.

Their suit claims home-schooling issues aren’t the responsibility of the DCP&P.

After Marchese left their home they revoked the HIPAA release form and retained an attorney, who sent a letter demanding the state agency cease and desist from all direct contact with the Zimmers and their healthcare providers.

Nicole Zimmer said she homeschooled her daughter, and her husband’s stepdaughter, from sixth grade through graduation. She said her daughter is now on her way to becoming a teacher, working as a classroom aide and making the dean’s list at her school.

Defendants in the case, filed April 9 in New Jersey District Court in Warren County, include the DCP&P, its director Lisa Von Pier, the New Jersey Commissioner of DCP&P Allison Blake, a local supervisor and Marchese, the caseworker. The plaintiffs have demanded a jury trial.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: The war on homeschoolers #158509
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State to Retain Custody of “Free Range” Children
Authorities to continue investigation of 'off grid family' in Kentucky

by Paul Joseph Watson | May 12, 2015


Authorities in Kentucky will retain custody of ten children belonging to ‘off grid’ parents Joe and Nicole Naugler while an investigation into the family’s “back to basics” lifestyle continues.

Although the result of yesterday’s court hearing was not made public, and the parents refused to conduct media interviews, a posting on the family’s Facebook page suggests that the children will not be returned until the parents have proven their competency to the Cabinet for Health and Family Services (CHFS).

The case hit the headlines after the children were seized by police and CHFS last week. The family insists that the children are living an idyllic traditional lifestyle on a rural 27 acre property in Breckinridge County, although authorities and neighbors assert that the living and sanitary conditions are dangerous.

“We have allowed CHFS to inspect our property and interview our children multiple times. After every visit they have confirmed, and confirmed again today that our children are happy, healthy and well cared for and that our property is sufficient for their needs. Despite that, the judge decided as a result of the deliberations in today’s hearing that our children will remain in CHFS care while they continue their investigation,” states the Nauglers’ Facebook post.

“Although we are sad our children will not be returned to us today, we have nothing to hide. We have cooperated with all requests made to us by CHFS and will continue to do so. We are confident that throughout this process Nicole and I will be shown to be the good parents that we are and that our family will be reunited. We thank everyone for all you have done for us and ask for continued prayers for our children. We want all our children to know that we love them and we are constantly with them in our hearts.”

The family also addressed allegations made by their estranged son, 19-year-old Alex Brow, who claims that he left because he was subjected to violent and sexual abuse at the hands of Joe Naugler. The post asserted that the claims stem from Brow’s “upbringing away from us and his strained relationship with his mother.”

Both Joe and Nicole Naugler will appear again in court today on misdemeanor criminal charges. Sheriff Todd Pate accused them of engaging in violent threats and being resistant to police every time authorities attempt to inspect the property.

The Nauglers assert that they are being targeted for their “free range” lifestyle and insistence on homeschooling their children. Critics point to the property’s lack of running water, wired electricity and toilets as evidence of neglect, although the parents have made it clear that they are planning to build a cabin in the near future which will have proper sanitation.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: The war on homeschoolers #158510
05/16/2015 05:39 AM
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This is absolutely a war. The government deliberately designs programs and activities to hinder children from coming to church.

Parents and grandparents need to encourage their families to pull kids out of government schools and put them into actual places of care and learning.


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Re: The war on homeschoolers #158511
05/16/2015 06:37 PM
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New Jersey....

I missed the meeting where it was discussed and decided that New Jersey was within safe turf for any of the recognized American Redoubts.

New Jersey is just not America.

"Off grid" and living in filth often go hand in hand, but they don't need to. When we were building up Diaxaris, we went with relatively common military camp facilities program - Sewer, water, electric, trash. By the six month mark, to be in the bathroom you would not even know you were off grid. Toilet flushed, water ran hot-warm-cold from regular Home Depot faucets, lights went on when you flicked a switch.

Forcing kids to live in filth and ignorance in the midst of the richest country on the planet, then maybe we need to know some more details, like exactly how objectionable was the curriculum and what parts the government found objectionable.

Most crazies get the part figured out of "tab A goes into slot B and out come children in just under a year..., but fitness to raise kits, we just don't know and off grid status without us knowing much else, I am going to reserve judgement either way.


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