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Cops Accost Pro-2nd Amendment Parkland Survivor Over Gun Range Photos

‘I was treated like a criminal for no reason other than having gone to the gun range’

Adan Salazar | Infowars.com - April 24, 2018

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Parkland school shooting survivor Kyle Kashuv says he was aggressively interrogated by police after social media posts showed he visited a gun range.

On Friday, Kashuv – who does not prescribe to the anti-gun rhetoric of his fellow anti-Second Amendment #NeverAgain peers – wrote he was learning to fire a gun for the first time.

It was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more. My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A pic.twitter.com/4rcOZbpl88

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

“It was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more,” he tweeted, indicating in other posts he was there with his father. “My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A”.

Other posts showed Kashuv firing an AR-15 and an instructor teaching him how to fire.

pic.twitter.com/NH5HkjPll2

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

Facts matter. I wish the facts of guns were more known. We need to educate the public and show them why they NEED the 2A. pic.twitter.com/HzjEx9LH2r

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." pic.twitter.com/mfVRATZ4DT

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

When he returned to school Monday he was ordered to the principal’s office, where he was informed that other students “had been upset by his posts,” according to The Daily Wire.

In a statement to The Wire, Kashuv described meeting with the armed campus resource officer, being questioned aggressively by a member of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office and said police repeatedly referred to him as “the pro-Second Amendment kid.”

Near the end of third period, my teacher got a call from the office saying I need to go down and see a Mr. Greenleaf. I didn’t know Mr. Greenleaf, but it turned out that he was an armed school resource officer. I went down and found him, and he escorted me to his office. Then a second security officer walked in and sat behind me. Both began questioning me intensely. First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude.

Then a third officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office walked in, and began asking me the same questions again. At that point, I asked whether I could record the interview. They said no. I asked if I had done anything wrong. Again, they answered no. I asked why I was there. One said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?”

They continued to question me aggressively, though they could cite nothing I had done wrong. They kept calling me “the pro-Second Amendment kid.” I was shocked and honestly, scared. It definitely felt like they were attempting to intimidate me.

I was treated like a criminal for no reason other than having gone to the gun range and posted on social media about it.

The Broward County Sheriff’s office did not respond to Daily Wire’s request for comment.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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So Broward County deputies - who hid behind their cars while children were being slaughtered - are harassing a student who supports the Second Amendment. While he's unarmed.

What a contemptible bunch of people. mad

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So much for Due Process. Sounds to like the family has a potential lawsuit. What happened to cops not being allowed to "question" a minor with out the parents permission, or being present?


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That kid should have said one word "LAWYER". Even though he was not being arrested but he was "DETAINED"! Just out of curiosity I wonder if they Mirandized him Didn't say that but just curious.


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Youall are right. It's definitely time for the kid and his family to lawyer up.


Hot legal take: Kyle Kashuv maybe shouldn’t complain about being questioned at school

April 23, 2018 by Brett T.

As Twitchy reported earlier, Parkland shooting survivor and Second Amendment advocate Kyle Kashuv was questioned at school Monday after posting photos and videos of himself at the gun range with his father and a shooting instructor over the weekend.

Kashuv reported that an armed school resource officer and a second security officer began questioning him intensively, “aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc.” That’s when a third officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office walked in and began asking the same questions again.

I can now check off being wrongfully questioned by law enforcement off by bucket list.

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 23, 2018

National security lawyer Bradley P. Moss responded with this hot take:

… No offense, Kyle, but you were just complaining the other day that law enforcement sits on its hands too much. https://t.co/gdtOgKoFLm

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) April 24, 2018

Um …

Yes, on actual threats to the community. https://t.co/pC5oz70evp

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 24, 2018

That was one fantastic mic drop. Adjourned.

Oh wait, Moss wasn’t done.

What you're learning, Kyle, is that what justifies police scrutiny is not as cut and dry as we all would like. You can't say cops should never scrutinize you and at the same time demand they be perfect in determining who they can lawfully scrutinize & that is an actual threat.

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) April 24, 2018

Sometimes they're going to do some due diligence work that might ruffle feathers, but nothing more. There are actual and serious deprivations of constitutional rights that occur. Finding the balance to protect us all and those rights at the same time isn't easy.

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) April 24, 2018

We know whom not to call when we need a lawyer.

I missed the details of this but thought this was just about him going to gun range with his dad. Did he do something that appeared illegal?

— Chuck Ross (@ChuckRossDC) April 24, 2018

No idea but this is my entire problem with the people who on the one hand don't want law enforcement to ever come near them and at the same time want law enforcement to have perfect anticipation of who will be a threat and be all up in THEIR business.

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) April 24, 2018

Did he just say, people who “don’t want law enforcement to ever come near them”?

Gee … is it possible that something that happened pretty recently that showed Kashuv and the country that certain law enforcement officers maybe were sitting on their hands when immediate action was demanded? Ring any bells?

… No offense, Bradley, but you aren't the brightest bulb in the socket, are you? https://t.co/mr4ej6aj5Q

— 🌻Miss Mary's American #Covfefe!!🌻🇺🇸🇮🇱 (@MissMaryCovfefe) April 24, 2018

Oh please he went to a gun range legally with his father and firearms instructor. There was no need for law enforcement to even intervene, It was simply harassment

— Brad_Reloaded (@Brad_Reloaded) April 24, 2018

Are you really defending the questioning of this boy by the school resource officer AND another uniformed officer? And, do you fail to understand the inappropriate manner and nature of the questioning? Sad and amazing… it is clear to any rational observer he's being targeted… https://t.co/loFbBfdPsZ

— Anthony Bellino (@abellino) April 24, 2018

Yeah, harassing law abiding citizens lawfully exercising their 2nd Amendment right in a lawful establishment really should be at the top of the LEO's list. No real crimes that could be addressed, like drug deals or gang violence. Yeah, I can see your point. #lawschoolrefund https://t.co/704GYUpQrv

— Trish ❤️🔫🎹🏖️🛂🐶 (@Vixen95Trish) April 24, 2018

It's called bullying – there was no "due diligence" – there was no threat or probable cause – this was a "serious deprivation"…but then again, Brad you are speaking for the deep state – so no surprise here – the Constitution apparently applies less to those you don't like

— Tony Shaffer (@T_S_P_O_O_K_Y) April 24, 2018

Having a legitimate complaint against law enforcement for not doing their job after identifying a legitimate threat (Cruz) is very different from purposely intimidating a student for advocating for gun rights by practicing firearm use with a professional and his father. (Kyle)

— Elibobeli (@ElixthexFox) April 24, 2018

Great. The police are fantastic grilling law-abiding citizens yet seem to drop the ball when it counts. https://t.co/wl0bg2oOOg

— George 🇺🇸 ☦️ (@Artfull01) April 24, 2018

Sits on its hands in the face of actual, abundantly clear, potential threats as evidenced by multiple incidents/actions profiled as 'reasonable cause'.#DontBeDaft https://t.co/VLD8D43cxr

— JT (@BrotherLiberty) April 24, 2018

Ahhh … so much for adults not calling out these kids. Swamp creature lawyer picking on a kid who survived a school shooting. Douche.

— Obnoxious Boston Fan (@realOBF) April 24, 2018

There were no threats moron. He has proven his character already. This was a complete invasion of rights. He was showing he was learning safety.

— Huerta (@momtozachamber) April 24, 2018

He went to a shooting range. He didn’t threaten his school.

— Tammy (@tmhco) April 24, 2018

* * *

Update:

All’s well that ends well, although we give full credit to Kashuv for keeping things classy.

Wow, OK, I wish you luck Kyle. If you think I was condescending, you’re in for a rough surprise in the years ahead. I’m glad you remain safe.

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) April 24, 2018

Thank you, sir. God bless you. https://t.co/BudH8Ga1V9

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 24, 2018

Curious how you can see that Tweet as not condescending.

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 24, 2018


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For privacy reasons, I won't say where I'll work or for what law firm. But I will say I graduate from a prestigious law school in two weeks and that I have a job lined up as an attorney in a small town surrounded by beautiful wilderness in Virginia, and that I will use every pro bono hour I have to fight for gun rights.

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For privacy reasons, I won't say where I'll work or for what law firm. But I will say I graduate from a prestigious law school in two weeks and that I have a job lined up as an attorney in a small town surrounded by beautiful wilderness in Virginia, and that I will use every pro bono hour I have to fight for gun rights.

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A father says his son was suspended from school and questioned by police over a gun range photo. This may be turning into an epidemic.

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Ken Bone, the nationally beloved undecided voter who asked a question at the second presidential debate in 2016, claims his son was suspended from school and questioned by police after appearing in a photo taken at a gun range.

Bone tweeted the photo, which depicts his son using a weapon appropriately, to Kyle Kashuv on Tuesday. Kashuv, a student-activist and Parkland survivor, is a staunch supporter of gun rights. Kashuv had claimed that police questioned him after he appeared in a gun range photo, and Bone's tweet was supposed to be a message of solidarity. But apparently it landed his son in hot water, too.

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In a follow-up tweet, Bone clarified that administrators didn't actually speak with his son; rather, they called the elder Bone at home and informed him of the suspension. The gun range photo was the explicit reason, according to Bone.

Bone's son doesn't have a Twitter account, and it's not publicly known where he attends school, so this news is difficult to verify. But it's easy to believe that school administrators would do such a thing, because the authorities routinely punish students for perfectly benign, constitutionally protected enthusiasm for firearms. Earlier this week, Reason's Declan McCullagh wrote about a Nevada eighth grader who was told he couldn't wear a pro–Second Amendment shirt to school. I've covered cases involving a students who were punished for liking a picture of a gun on Instagram, holding a stick that looked like a gun during recess, and bringing a nerf gun to school. When it comes to guns, all common sense—and all respect for students' civil liberties—goes out the window.

If Bone's son was suspended for no reason other than appearing in a gun range photo, you can add that to the list of ridiculous overreactions.
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Hard to appeal small level stuff like this - suspension. I mean, what will you get in court besides a tongue-lashing from the judge saying "this was bullshit?". You can't get the time back your kid was suspended. Maybe you can try defamation if the school published anything to the public. Other than that, there aren't really any damages and there's not much to get besides a "sorry, we fucked up". And the amount of time it would take a professional lawyer to do that would require serious amounts of fees, if that lawyer plans on paying his rent and his bills. Unless people fund a defense fund or something similar, there won't be anything a lawyer can do unless he's already ridiculously rich and can afford losing out on the time and money to do something.


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Parents could start "suspending" the public fool system. Tell the administration where to shove it, pull the kids out and homeschool them.


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Parkland Teacher Allegedly Called Pro-Gun Jewish Student ‘The Hitler Type’

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A Parkland, Fla., history teacher allegedly called a pro-Second Amendment Jewish student “the Hitler type” and “dangerous,” according to a Friday report.

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher Gregory Pittman allegedly made the remarks about junior Kyle Kashuv in class when a student mentioned a Twitter dispute between Pittman and Kashuv, reported Fox News.

“I find it utterly vile that he’d call a Jew the next Hitler,” Kashuv told Fox. The student’s family moved from Israel to the U.S. in the 1990s. “It’s also quite telling that he doesn’t know that Hitler took the people’s weaponry and I want more law-abiding citizens to have firearms.”

Pittman allegedly made the comments during a class in which Kashuv was not enrolled. At least three students told the junior that the teacher said he was the “next Hitler,” according to the Sun Sentinel. The Twitter dispute precipitating the alleged remarks started when Kashuv posted a video and photo documenting his first gun shooting experience with his father, an Israel Defense Forces vet.

It was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more. My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A pic.twitter.com/4rcOZbpl88

— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

Security officers questioned Kashuv about with whom he visited the gun range and what weapons he used. One officer allegedly said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?” (RELATED: Kyle Kashuv Questioned By School Security After Visit To Gun Range)

“After a mass shooting at a school you don’t have to be the sharpest tack in the box to understand when another student posts a photo of an assault weapon why school security personnel and police might ask questions,” Pittman said Tuesday on Twitter. “As a teacher at Douglas, I want any student that post photos of guns checked out or if they make threats.”

“School leaders take all matters involving students and staff seriously,” Broward County Public Schools spokeswoman Nadine Drew told the Sun Sentinel. “They are aware of the allegations and are looking into the matter.”


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The school security guard who failed to stop the Parkland shooting has finally been fired. And incredibly, we are just now find out that he had previously been suspended for sexually harassing students.

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Lest you thought we were finished with tales of unfathomable incompetence on the part of Broward County, Florida, authority figures, consider this: The first Marjory Stoneman Douglas security guard who spotted Nikolas Cruz on campus and took no action to detain him was previously suspended for sexually harassing students.

Due to his inaction during the shooting, Medina was initially reassigned to an administrative position elsewhere in the Broward County school system. But on Tuesday, the superintendent finally decided to terminate his employment.

Andrew Medina worked as an unarmed security guard at Stoneman Douglas. In 2017, a disciplinary panel recommended that he be fired for sexually harassing two female students. (One of those students, Meadow Pollack, was later killed in the shooting.) But school officials decided to suspend Medina for three days instead, according to CBS News.

On the day of the shooting, Medina was the first school official to spot Cruz—who was no longer welcome at the school, and known to be a threat. He did not confront Cruz, and apparently failed to realize that Cruz was armed. He took no action, other than radioing another unarmed security guard, David Taylor, to inform him that Cruz was headed his way. When the shooting started, Taylor hid in a janitor's closet, according to The Sun Sentinel. He was initially reassigned as well, but has now been fired.

Unlike School Resource Officer Scot Peterson—who also proved to be incompetent—neither Medina nor Taylor were armed. But if Medina wasn't aware that Cruz was armed, he should have pursued him. If he was aware, but was afraid to approach, at the very least he should have made a "code red" call. He did not.

It seems fairly clear that the school district's first impulse was to merely transfer Medina into a different role, and only changed course due to outrage from parents—including Pollack's father—who just recently learned about the sexual harassment episode. It's astonishing that a school guard could sexually harass a female student, and then utterly fail to prevent her death, and still find employment within the district. But that's public schools for you.


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[url=http://reason.com/blog/2018/07/12/kyle-kashuv-parkland-survivor-turned-conKyle Kashuv on gun rights and free speech.[/url]

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"I'm basically going against the entire tide," Kyle Kashuv, a 16-year-old survivor of the Parkland mass shooting, told Reason in an interview. "Coming out in support of the Second Amendment right after a school shooting is no easy thing to do."

Unlike virtually all the other teen activists who have risen to prominence in the wake of the February 14 tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Kashuv is a conservative and a gun rights supporter. His strident Second Amendment advocacy has brought him national fame: he met President Trump, has been mentored by conservative pundit Ben Shapiro, and now works at Turning Point USA, a major conservative organization that concentrates on outreach to high school and college students. (Turning Point's High School Leadership Summit, which features a range of high-profile conservative speakers including United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, and Donald Trump, Jr., is in Washington, D.C., from July 23 until 26. The organization has offered a scholarship so that interested Marjory Stoneman Douglas students can attend for free.)

But back at school, Kashuv has had a rougher time.

"I lost like 90 percent of all the friends I've had because of it," said Kashuv. "It's quite saddening because it shows that people just don't have the ability to be friends with people who have disagreeing opinions with them."

Kashuv has also been besieged by online criticism since he started publicizing his views on Twitter.

"I get a lot of death threats, I don't even think I notice them anymore," he said. "I reached a threshold of hate that there isn't much more that can be thrown at me that will affect me."

That's something he undoubtedly has in common with the rest of the Parkland kids. Fellow survivor-activists David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez have also faced waves of online harassment. In June, Hogg was the victim of a swatting attempt when someone sent police to his house in Florida in hopes law enforcement would mistake Hogg or his family as violent and use force against them.

Kashuv is going back to school in the fall for his senior year. But in the meantime, he's living the life of a teen activist while trying to learn everything he can about gun control as an issue. (He's also reading a lot of Jordan Peterson.)

On other subjects, he's still making up his mind.

"I'm really developing my viewpoint on conservatism," he said. "I'm just a big Constitution guy."

Perhaps unsurprisingly, he's also very concerned about free speech in schools—a main issue for Turning Point USA, though other conservatives have accused the organization of being insincere on this front.

"I've had personal experience with this," said Kashuv. "I mean, people have completely tried to shun me and silence me on my high school campus. It's hard for conservatives to voice their support for the Second Amendment, in general and at Douglas, and I see how important it is to make sure we have free speech."


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If any wish to promote ism idealogy in any form. That is there right. So long as they do it freely. Encourage all to speak openly about what they want. It makes it easy to see what they stand for. Freedom with rights and self responsibility or no rights with no responsibility.
No hesitation when confronted with thoughs who want and promote ism.


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