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28% of Americans Are Considering This #178491
07/02/2022 02:46 PM
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28% of Americans are open to taking up arms against the government. That includes 33% of Republicans, 35% of independent voters, and 20% of Democrats.

Successful revolutions - such as the one we're celebrating in a couple days - are usually started with about 33% of the people willing to fight. At 28%, we're getting there.

One number that strands out from this poll is that of those 28%, only 37% said they gave firearms in the home. I suspect a lot of those people are lying.

This poll, and the article, is from the Guardian, which is not really known for the conservative views.

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More than one quarter of US residents feel so estranged from their government that they feel it might “soon be necessary to take up arms” against it, a poll released on Thursday claimed.

This survey of 1,000 registered US voters, published by the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics (IOP), also revealed that most Americans agree the government is “corrupt and rigged against everyday people like me”.

The data suggests that extreme polarization in US politics – and its impact on Americans’ relationships with each other – remain strong. These statistics come as a congressional committee is holding public hearings on the January 6 insurrection.

This deadly attack on the US Capitol stemmed from the false, partisan, pro-Donald Trump belief that Joe Biden did not win the 2020 election. Rioters attempted to thwart certification of the election, in an effort to keep Trump in office.

Although the violent insurrectionists targeted Republicans and Democrats alike, GOP Trump loyalists have insisted that the committee is illegitimate. These attacks on the committee intensified after Trump staffers themselves – including former attorney general Bill Barr – publicly described his efforts to push “the big lie” that the presidential election was stolen.

The survey indicates that distrust in government varies among party lines. While 56% of participants said they “generally trust elections to be conducted fairly and counted accurately”, Republicans, Democrats and independents were dramatically split on this point. Nearly 80% of Democrats voiced overall trust in elections, but that number dipped to 51% among independents and a mere 33% of Republicans.

Per the poll, 49% of Americans concurred that they “more and more feel like a stranger in my own country”. Again, this number reflected sharp political divisions: the sentiment was held by 69% of self-described “strong Republicans”, 65% of self-described “very conservative” persons, and 38% of “strong Democrats”.

Of the 28% of voters who felt it might soon be necessary “to take up arms against the government”, 37% had guns in their homes, according to the data.

One-third of Republicans – including 45% of “strong Republicans – hold this belief about taking up arms. 35% of independent voters, and 20% of Democrats, also agreed, the poll said.


Meanwhile, those polled voiced negative sentiments about persons from opposing political parties. Seventy-three per cent of self-described Republican voters agreed that “Democrats are generally bullies who want to impose their political beliefs on those who disagree,” and “an almost identical percentage of Democrats (74%) express that view of Republicans”.

“While we’ve documented for years the partisan polarization in the country, these poll results are perhaps the starkest evidence of the deep divisions in partisan attitudes rippling through the country,” said the Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who conducted the survey in May with and Democratic pollster Joel Benenson.

The survey also stated that almost half of respondents expressed averting political talk with other people “because I don’t know where they stand”. One-quarter described losing friends, and a similar proportion claimed to have avoided relatives and friends, due to politics, per the survey.


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Re: 28% of Americans Are Considering This [Re: airforce] #178494
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I wish the 28% would get off their ass and do it. They should've burnt that "temple of democracy" to the ground back in Jan.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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‘Our Country’s Going To Hell’: WWII Veteran Breaks Down Over Collapse of America Under Joe Biden

"We haven't got the country we had when I was raised. Not at all. Nobody will have the fun I had. Nobody will have the opportunity I had," says Marine vet Carl Dekel.

By Infowars.com Saturday, July 02, 2022

A World War II veteran lamented the state of the U.S. under Joe Biden, claiming that the once-free and prosperous nation is now “going down the drain.”

In an emotional interview on his 100th birthday, Marine and World War II veteran Carl Dekel said he’s livid over the state of the country considering the sacrifices he and his fellow veterans made to preserve America’s freedom.

“Nowadays, I am so upset that the things we did, and the things we fought for, and the boys that died for it, it’s all going down the drain,” Dekel told Fox 13 on Thursday. “Our country’s going to hell in a handbasket.”



“We haven’t got the country we had when I was raised. Not at all. Nobody will have the fun I had. Nobody will have the opportunity I had. It’s just not the same,” he reflected.

“And that’s not what they died for. Just not it,” he said as he held back sobs. “It’s just not the same. That isn’t what we fought for.”

Dekel imparted words of wisdom to Americans struggling under Joe Biden.
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“Just remember that every day is beautiful. And live every day to the fullest. Just enjoy everything you possibly can,” he said.

Dekel isn’t alone in noticing America’s downfall.

According to a recent AP-NORC survey, the 85% of Americans – averaged from both political parties – think that America is heading the “wrong direction” under Joe Biden amid historically high inflation and crushing energy and food costs heading into Independence Day weekend.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: 28% of Americans Are Considering This [Re: airforce] #178554
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Logistics are the key to everything.
Without it your pissing in the wind.


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Re: 28% of Americans Are Considering This [Re: airforce] #178654
08/05/2022 05:54 PM
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Rising "constitutional carry" is a sign of falling trust in government.

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Come next January, Alabama will be the twenty-fifth state to allow concealed carry without a permit. Alabama will soon join Indiana, which in March of this year passed a new statute allowing permitless concealed carry—sometimes called "constitutional carry." In 2021 alone, at least six states passed their own provisions legalizing permitless concealed carry: Arkansas, Iowa, Montana, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah. Essentially, any law-abiding citizen over a certain age (usually eighteen or twenty-one) can now carry a concealed firearm in these states. Twenty years ago, only Vermont allowed unrestricted concealed carry. Over the last ten years, however, more than twenty states have adopted new laws deregulating the carrying of firearms.

Why is this happening now? On the most simple level, these laws have passed because lawmakers and constituents at the state level have advocated for them. Moreover, whatever opposition exists among interest groups and the public has been insufficient to block their passage.

On a deeper ideological level, increased ease of concealed carrying is likely the result of a growing feeling among much of the public that they need increased access to firearms for self-protection. In other words, the spread of constitutional carry points to a growing sentiment that state and local authorities are insufficient to provide a reasonable expectation of safety from violent crime and that private self-defense is therefore more necessary now than in the past.

Moreover, many of these laws expanding concealed carry have been passed over local law enforcement's objections. Police organizations have been among the most vocal of opponents of new constitutional carry measures, yet Republican lawmakers—a group often happy to fall all over themselves announcing how much they "back the blue"—have passed these laws anyway. The continued spread of constitutional carry suggests that even among conservatives there are limits to supporting law enforcement on a vague philosophical level.
Rather, the passage of these laws suggests a growing lack of faith that even well-meaning law enforcement can or will provide meaningful defense from violent criminals when the need arises.

Declining Faith in Institutions

The survey data continues to point to declining public faith in public institutions, and this includes law enforcement and the legal system. As faith in these institutions falls, the perceived need to provide one's own defense naturally increases. As one sociologist puts it, "legal cynicism" leads to greater demand for "protective gun ownership," and "lower levels of police legitimacy are significantly related to a higher probability of acquiring a firearm for protection."

In the worst cases, this can even lead to extralegal "self-help" with a firearm. This phenomenon has been explored by historian Randolph Roth, who notes that declining perceptions of state legitimacy can lead to high violent crime rates. That is, when private citizens believe that official coercion will be insufficient to restrain criminals, they may feel the need to take matters into their own hands.

Moreover, crime data in some cases suggests a correlation between gun ownership and high crime. Advocates of gun control naturally interpret this correlation as evidence that guns cause more crime. Yet the causality more likely runs in the other direction: more crime leads to more people arming themselves. Statistical studies are insufficient to prove causality in either case, as a RAND study on gun violence notes:

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Whether [the correlation between guns and crime] is attributable to gun prevalence causing more violent crime is unclear. If people are more likely to acquire guns when crime rates are rising or high, then the same pattern of evidence would be expected…. existing research studies and data include a wealth of descriptive information on homicide, suicide, and firearms, but, because of the limitations of existing data and methods, do not credibly demonstrate a causal relationship between the ownership of firearms and the causes or prevention of criminal violence or suicide.


And as one National Institutes of Justice study concluded after surveying young residents of high-crime areas,

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most participants said they carried guns to increase their feelings of safety. "They held a widespread belief that they could be victimized at any time, and guns served to protect them from real or perceived threats from other gun carriers."


The sense that personal protection is needed is likely stronger in high-crime areas, but the sentiment certainly is not unique to these areas. Suburban and rural advocates for broadening concealed carry frequently invoke the need for personal protection from violent crime as justification for new laws expanding the right to carry in nearly every situation.

Laws Passed over Police Opposition

Although many individual police officers support nearly untrammeled gun ownership for law-abiding citizens, many others do not. In Alabama's legislative battle over permitless carry, for instance, "the bills have been roundly criticized by police and gun control advocates, who argue that removing permits poses a safety risk to citizens and officers." The head of Alabama's Sheriff's Association wants to change the Second Amendment to ban concealed carry altogether. And elsewhere, "some of the loudest opponents of permitless carry laws are the police. They spoke out in Indiana, Texas, and Kentucky but that didn't stop lawmakers from passing 'constitutional carry' laws." In Georgia, many law enforcement officers voiced their opposition to concealed carry, much to the delight of the state's Democratic Party. In Ohio, constitutional carry has been opposed by the Fraternal Order of Police—the public labor union that provides free lawyers to abusive and incompetent police officers. Even in Republican-controlled legislatures—where professed support for police runs high—police efforts to quash expanded concealed carry have failed repeatedly.

The continued spread of constitutional carry is, of course, related to the surge we've seen in private gun ownership overall. For example, Americans in 2020 and 2021 went on what CNN calls a "gun buying spree," and this included a 58 percent spike in gun purchases among black men and women in 2021. Violent and destructive "mostly peaceful" protests exposed the police's limited ability to do much other than protect government property during periods of unrest. And in the wake of lockdowns, which shut down vital social institutions such as churches and schools, crime surged in the US, and not just in the "usual" places like urban cores. Police legitimacy also suffered a serious blow with local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies' abject failure at the Uvalde school shooting in May of this year. The officers who chose to do nothing while children were massacred will likely face no serious legal repercussions, and this will further highlight that police officers are under no legal obligation to actually protect the public from violent crime.

It's no wonder that permitless carry continues to make gains in American states. In the past, many Americans may have simply trusted the regime to provide "law and order." But that sentiment is apparently becoming more and more rare.


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Re: 28% of Americans Are Considering This [Re: airforce] #178658
08/06/2022 03:20 PM
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They are predicting that following the upcoming election, (seeing more conservatives elected to the state house) that Florida could be the 26th state. This is important because this means that more than 1/2 of the states have basically nullified federal efforts to control the people. In my opinion it is just a matter of time till the Supreme Court shuts down the liberal states for their flagrant disregard of their recent NY ruling and constitutional carry becomes the law nation wide.


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