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What are we gonna do about these guys? #132970
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[Linked Image] New Orleans, the police forgot to confiscate that one.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132971
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132972
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So, if you had a sign on the side of your truck. Something like "BLACKWAFER" then the gestapo would wave you right on through?


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132973
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E L I M I N A T E the threat(s) !!!


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132974
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132975
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Take their gear, though! It is good stuff made here in USA, but the irony of it is that these ass H@#$s are bad guys and Blackhawk gear is foreign made and probably worn by more militia friendly groups! ??? Confusion, confusion.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132976
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Take the gear and glue the sign to their naked AS$ES and send them kicking rocks down the road..


I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132977
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Ditto with all of the above and may I add slap a glow in the dark bullseye on the sign we glue to their naked A$$es.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132978
08/06/2007 11:39 AM
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They're just trying to pay the mortgage...


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132979
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I think Blackwater and Associates is who we will have to contend with when martial law is declared.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132980
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Maybe so CDJ, could be very likely.

Some of them, just could turn out to be some of us, maybe.

I doubt Erik Prince will let us take a poll to find out.

Please be advised people that those that work for Blackwater are NOT an easy mark.

I run and gun for a hobby, they do it for a living.

If they offered me a job... I'd be tempted to take it.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132981
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132982
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132983
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These guys are guns for hire, Mercenaries, They will kill anybody and anything for that paycheck. I wouldnt trust them if my life depended on it. Has anyone else heard anything about these merc company's hiring people all across the world?. These most likely are the guys that will do the dirty work
when the SHTF.


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the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132984
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You all are right. My uncle (retired Marine) works for a world-wide security firm and has no respect for these Mercs. I firmly believe that they are the ones that will be doing the initial dirty work.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132985
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The guys are high on my sh*t list after what I saw in New Orleans and South Louisiana.

This is what we have to look forward to next time there is an "emergency":

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/grizzly/

These Merc Grizzlys look a lot like Nazi SdKfz 251s to me. Perhaps there is an ideological connection as well?

http://www.sdkfz251.com/


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132986
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No quarter to the scum. We had to fight mercenaries in the first revolution and we will again Im sure.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132987
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Heh - see those courses they got? You need an IDPA or USPSA classification as a prereq.

There is some intermingling of the sport shooters and BW operators. I know this firsthand actually from my experience with IDPA and USPSA as a match director.

They might be scum - we have had thread about mercs before and in the last thread we had it was concluded mercs never fit the bad guy or good guy bill to the T. So you can have an opinion of them either way really; depending more on their actions perhaps? More likely the mercs reflect the society they come from. Considering this is an American company that appears to hire a lot of Americans, this still does not bode well for what can be assumed how they behave or to what lengths they will go to earn their pay. Our society is already lacking people who put principle before paycheck. Pat Tillman did and he got murdered for it.

Regardless, the training should be taken seriously. Some of these boys really know how to shoot, so if you find yourself on the business end of these operators play time is over: act like your life depends on every decision, because it does.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132988
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BlackWater is marketed by the same company as BlackHawk, Otis, HydraStorm,...etc...,

They are retired leo's, military, and doctors.

Mercenaries they are. Gear they have is second to none. Foreign made or not. They most certainly are paying bills with their loot. Let their actions guide your decisions on how to treat them.

It would be very risky to detain any of them for extended periods of time.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132989
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I would stress to you all that many of these guys were tops in their fields BEFORE joining Blackwater. I've met quite a few of these guys and they are decent people. They are only hired to do a job and that's it. Their job in NOLA was to secure government buildings. Not to take weapons from law abiding citizens. That's CHP's job to tackle an elderly lady to take her gun away.

However, should their government contracts give them the task of collecting my weapons and sending me and mine to a camp, I'd let them know that's not going to happen. wink, wink,


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132990
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Excellent topic, one that has interested me since Sandline (British pmc) made headlines working in the Solomon islands a couple of years ago. Governments and the transnational investor classes that support them, love pmc's;an amoral security/combat force that complete whatever missions assigned and give shareholders a profit.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132991
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132992
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that I'll be about th eonly person to admit to this, but:

I personally have no problem with mercenaries. The only difference between them and most of the people in the military is, they're better paid and admit to being mercs. Hell, I was basically a merc when I was in the Corps. It's not like I was there because I believed in the shit Klintoon had the military doing. Bombing people in Kosovo because they're now winning a war against muslims that they weren't winning before? Bombing someone, ANYONE, to take people's attention away from the wanderings of Willy's Wanker? Yeah, that's what I signed up for...NOT! I was there to get a paycheck and bennies, and to kill people and break things. I didn't get to kill anyone, and I only got to break a few things. But I did get some good training out of the deal, so it all worked out in the end.

Most of the people I served with weren't there because they believed in what we (the US) were doing, either.

Now, having said all that, don't think that that means that I'd be any easier on opponents who were American mercs than I would be on invading UN troops (to use one example). Just because I don't have a problem with their existence doesn't mean I'm going to take kindly to them shooting at me or doing any of the numerous other things that I'd be opposed to, such as disarming the population.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132993
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that I'll be about th eonly person to admit to this, but:

I personally have no problem with mercenaries. The only difference between them and most of the people in the military is, they're better paid and admit to being mercs. Hell, I was basically a merc when I was in the Corps. It's not like I was there because I believed in the shit Klintoon had the military doing. Bombing people in Kosovo because they're now winning a war against muslims that they weren't winning before? Bombing someone, ANYONE, to take people's attention away from the wanderings of Willy's Wanker? Yeah, that's what I signed up for...NOT! I was there to get a paycheck and bennies, and to kill people and break things. I didn't get to kill anyone, and I only got to break a few things. But I did get some good training out of the deal, so it all worked out in the end.

Most of the people I served with weren't there because they believed in what we (the US) were doing, either.

Now, having said all that, don't think that that means that I'd be any easier on opponents who were American mercs than I would be on invading UN troops (to use one example). Just because I don't have a problem with their existence doesn't mean I'm going to take kindly to them shooting at me or doing any of the numerous other things that I'd be opposed to, such as disarming the population.
I'll have to second that.

Just because they work for Blackwater doesn't mean they all subscribe to kill first philosphy. A paycheck in any form or amount is important to survival. Granted, money may be the only driving force behind their employment, but I bet their are some with a conscience within their ranks.

And Wyrm, I too was in the Corps and I remember that our training revolved around be sent here or their first. We loved it and were sometimes labeled as the US's merc force. A matter of opinion I guess.

When the time comes, I too will not hesitate to keep from be unarmed or allowing to happen to those like-minded individuals I know.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132994
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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132995
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They have objectives, right?

What say if, you somehow gave them an objective and somehow for some reason some highly toxic chemicals or explosive materials were stored there, and there was shooting and some kind of accidental explosion?


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132996
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Hey guys, look at Grassnake's first post in this thread. Remember, fish thru water. Flow like fish thru water. Undetected and smooth. That's the only way you will survive and live to fight. Psy ops, read it, practice it, live it, breathe it. Your'e going to need it! Grassnake has it going on. He's right!


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132997
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OK guys before you continue the chest thumping marathon, know these folks train everyday and are paid to do it. Now ask yourself honestly how much do YOU train?

Having actually been a 'Merc' at one time I can tell you these guys do NOT play and spend their time tapping a puter keyboard. Can they be beaten? Yes, because like all of us who are mortal and bleed it can be killed. Now you just have to ask yourself is the cost worth what you are gonna have to pay to accomplish your goals. Sometimes it is better to play in a low profile and accomplish more in the long run. Their major motivation is money pure and simple while ours is much loftier I hope as we are fighting for not only our futures but our kids and families as well. To truly defeat them it is as simple as cutting off the money flow. Then most of them will simply disappear. Some will then start fighting for themselves and for those the ONLY answer is a slug to a vital part.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #132998
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Pat Tillman did and he got murdered for it.
Tillman trained in a lot of combat arts.

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and ya GRASS SNAKE has the right idea.

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Remember what patriot say's " Fear nothing that bleeds". I like that..I will add though a healthy dose of nerves will make you fight like your life depends on it,..... and it does...


I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.

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how many of you know anyone who works for them? The people I have met have been A.O.K. Every group has a**holes but that isn't the whole group.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133001
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Originally posted by Doktor_Jeep:
... So you can have an opinion of them either way really; depending more on their actions perhaps? More likely the mercs reflect the society they come from. Considering this is an American company that appears to hire a lot of Americans, this still does not bode well for what can be assumed how they behave or to what lengths they will go to earn their pay. Our society is already lacking people who put principle before paycheck. Pat Tillman did and he got murdered for it.

Regardless, the training should be taken seriously. Some of these boys really know how to shoot, so if you find yourself on the business end of these operators play time is over: act like your life depends on every decision, because it does.
I always thought American mercs were primarily deployed overseas, and that the foreigners were already here doing the dirty work, especially the professional hits.

One key to knowing your enemy, is knowing how to make friends, and especially, knowing which folks are friendly.

I have worked in a mercenary capacity, both in the Army, as well as the private sector, and ultimately the question of money prevails to the private side. The BIG question remains: What will anyone "do" for money, and where does an individual draw the line?

Many private contractors are U.S. Treasury Generally funded and dispersed via various entities such as DOD, DOE, while FBI and ATF are infamous for their creative funding, mission-motive and of course their mantra: "Always Think Forfeiture!"

Private security is a business venture from which all militia can benefit, because contractual firearms training standards are typically very rigorous, and thus, all applicants must train and qualify regularly.


I would gladly lay aside the use of arms and settle matters by negotiation, but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my battle rifle, and thank God that He has put it within my grasp.

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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133002
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Any man who is willing to violate the rights of his neighbors, and terrorize his fellow countrymen, for a paycheck... deserves nothing more than our well aimed bullets...

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Most of these guys are still under the impression that Bush was right all along, & they really just think of themselves as an extension of the US Military. They are guys who did a few years in spec-ops, got out & became a cop & SWAT member and/or K-9 handler. They're getting that big paycheck until the "justifiable" war in Iraq is over. They feel like they're doing an honorable thing over there. As somebody stated earlier; if they offered me a job tomorrow, I'd take it. Good money & good training.
Another thing to realize here is that these guys are ALL big on gun rights. They're not like the ATF that filters out the pro-gun guys during the application & interviewing process.

What I am more concerned with is foreign merc companies. I read in an article about a year ago that the Brit, Aussie, & South African mercs don't really care at all who they work for or what their actions may cause, as long as they get paid. So yes, I would place the vast majority of American mercs a rung above foreign mercs any day. Also, it may be harder & more expensive for the UN to hire American merc companies than it will for them to hire foreign ones. If this happens, who knows, you may find some of these guys fighting on our side.

The facts right now are; these guys got the best weapons, the best gear, the best vehicles, the best body armor, & most of all, the least rules to abide by. If you can, & your unit can afford it, it might not be a bad idea to send someone from your unit to attend a course or two that Blackwater teaches, then have that person teach the rest of the unit after.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133004
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I know someone who has the same views as the majority of us, who might go work for a merc group. He is dirt broke, thanks to our gov't being able to pay folks like Blackwater $$$$$, but our military scrapes on peanuts. (Remember cost of living, and uniform prices (USMC boots go for $99-200)His sole motivation is his family, being able to provide for them. Hell, I've thought about working for blackwater. $80,000 or more for 6 months of the same bullshit I put up with in the Marines? Just I wouldn't have to deal with the brainwashed first sgt. Ooh-rah, warrior! Kill. Sergeants shouldn't chew their Marines out. They should counsel them on paper...that fixes all, Sergeant! Motivate!
Hell, maybe we should EDUCATE the guys working for the merc companies. When the time comes, some will be on our side. Yes, some worked in Katrina taking guns....BUT, I bet blackwater figured out who was willing to do it... I seriously doubt any pro-gun guys did it. Then again, like Bloodloss says, some of them probably believe what the media and the gov says. So, back to educating them.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133005
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We just need to be careful about declaring someone an enemy. The more enemies you make, the harder you make it to find friends. And we WILL need friends.


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133006
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Yeah the name sounds cool, but what does it mean?

Blackwater (waste), a term used for sewage containing fecal matter, in contrast with greywater, which is the waste water from kitchen sink drains


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133007
09/10/2008 04:00 PM
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yeah some of the guys are asses. some of them.
However many of them are as patriotic as anyone you will find.

difference?

They take their training serious. They should, their lives depend on it.

You lives depend on your training as well. How serious are you taking that?


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Re: What are we gonna do about these guys? #133008
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Wheather a Blackwater employee will be an enemy would be based on his/her actions, just like anyone else. If you enforce/force tyranny on the people, then be ready for the consequences.

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It's like the differences in spelling some words in the english language like the word tomato. It can be spelled tomato OR tomatoe. Right?

Blackwater is a mercenary organization. They're MERC's. They may not feel like MERC's but, they ARE! Just because they spell differently don't make it different. Like the tomato analogy above Blackwater can be patriots OR Merc's. It depends on how "gung ho" they are to follow orders of their superiors.

I say if they're real american's - real patriotic americans - they should walk away if ordered to go against american citizens. But they won't - just look back to '05 and Katrina. frown

The definition fits em - soldiers FOR HIRE sound's like a mercenary army to me. Anyone else? Just curious. :p


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