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FREE SPEECH??? #149601
11/08/2007 04:14 AM
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Free Speech?

Somewhere deep underground at the Ministry of Truth, a fresh young mind hunkers in his bunker and monitors the internet for “suspicious activity and dissident rhetoric”. He loves Big Brother and is ever vigilant in his pursuit of thought crime within the populus of the North American Union. You can rest easy now citizen, you can feel safe, knowing that thousands more just like him are monitoring and analyzing your every email, and phone call.

See something wrong with this picture citizen???

You should.

If you're old enough, maybe you remember the 60's with Hoover and COINTELPRO. Remember when the “establishment” was watching everyone for UN American Activity???

Wake up You now live in a Police State where legitimate dissent is tabu. You may not criticize your Party Leadership, der Stat, nor der fuerher. The Ministry of Truth will distort and you shall comply.

“The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill. There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.

This bill is completely insane. It literally allows the government to define any and all crimes including thought crime as violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Obviously, this legislation is unconstitutional on a number of levels and it is clear that all 404 representatives who voted in favor of this bill are traitors and should be removed from office immediately. The treason spans both political parties and it shows us all that there is no difference between them. The bill will go on to the Senate and will likely be passed and signed into the law by George W. Bush. Considering that draconian legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act have already been passed, there seems little question that this one will get passed as well. This is more proof that our country has been completely sold out by a group of traitors at all levels of government.”


At America's inception, citizens demanded a guarantee of their basic freedoms.


Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people...Be not intimidated, therefore, by any terrors, from publishing with the utmost freedom...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your freedom ...Samuel Adams

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. - excerpt from the u.S. Declaration of Independence signed in 1776.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Article Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution

The founding fathers made it abundantly clear that We the People have an unalienable Right to express our opinions and beliefs, to criticize our government and expose any wrong doing by it's public servants. In fact, citizens have a duty to do so.

The Right to speech and assembly also includes the right to associate, freely, with those of like mind. Guilt by association, although sometimes evident in today's judicial system, is an inherent right without the authority of any government, but guaranteed to be protected by the government, by order of the Constitution; in the First Amendment, which prohibits federal enactments that would limit that Right; and, Article I, Section 8, clause 17, which is outside the jurisdiction of federal authority; Article I, Section 10, clause 1, which prohibits any state from passing any Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts , which is the nature of any association; Articles IX , Bill of Rights, The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people; and, Article X, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Without the First Amendment, religious minorities could be persecuted, the government might well establish a national religion, protesters could be silenced, the press could not criticize government, and citizens could not mobilize for social change.

The First Amendment ensures that if there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein, as Justice Robert Jackson wrote in the 1943 case West Virginia v. Barnette.

And as Justice William Brennan wrote in New York Times v. Sullivan in 1964, the First Amendment provides that debate on public issues ... [should be] ... uninhibited, robust, and wide-open.

The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment.

Over the years the federal government has exceeded the limits of power granted to it by the United States Constitution. Large numbers of Americans now see the encroachment of our government on the unalienable rights of we the people. The government is now trying to silence the voice of all who dissent with unconstitutional government.

“Many have over time tried to correct these unconstitutional actions with non violence as many are still trying to do. But according to the House of Representatives we as Equal citizens and creators and master of our Government no longer have a right of redress and no longer have a right if it came to such means as to take violent action in order to secure the rights of our children and for future generations.”


Woe to those who decree unjust statutes and to those who continually record unjust decisions, to deprive the needy of justice, and to rob the poor of My people of their rights... Isaiah 10:1-2

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of this Republic of States, and any statute, to be lawfull, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid.

All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void. Marbury vs Madison 1803
Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them. Miranda vs Arizona, 384 US 436 p491

An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed. Norton vs Shelby County 118 US 425 p442

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of decision so branding it.

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256

We the People are A Well Regulated Militia. We are necessary for the security of a free state with a republican form of government in which ALL rights are unalienable. You have both the right and the duty to enforce the laws of the union. The first amendment (and all others) shall be protected and enforced by the second.

We The People shall continue

...“To promote and defend the unalienable God given rights of all citizens, regardless of race, sex or national origin, as is expressed in the the Bill of Rights of the U. S. Constitution.

To promote and defend the principles of just government bequeathed to us by our forefathers to whit, That the principle of the Tenth Amendment shall stand inviolate, as history has shown that the greatest system of checks and balances exists with the people and their States to check the powers accrued by the federal government.

To promote and propagate the militia as a well regulated, (trained and prepared) organization knowledgeable in historical precedent and current affairs, that is composed of common citizens.

To train our members in the many disciplines necessary to the function of the militia as a whole and to the members individually.

To educate our members in areas of history, law and principle as compiled in the experience and records of our forefathers.

To keep informed our members, and all citizens of events Local, State, National and global that threaten to imperial our traditional Constitutional rights, or such as may imperial the sovereignty of our Nation by the undue influence of those who have forsaken their loyalty to our Nation, and to the principles upon which it was founded.

We The People shall continue to proclaim:

That the integrity of the courts, be they local, State or federal, shall remain inviolate providing that they shall respect and uphold the rights of the all citizens, including but not limited to, upholding the due process of law, and to preserve the right of trial by jury and to obtain immediate judicial review of cases wherein abuse of basic Constitutional rights are questioned.

That all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; for the advancement of those ends they have at all times an unalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.

That all just government is servant of the people who have instituted it, that the people of the United States should never by force nor coercion be obliged to anything styled as law which has not been promulgated by their duly elected representatives, nor any as may be promulgated by them to bear conflict to the rights of the people, so that no government shall be made master of the people of the United States.


American Patriots have 2 choices; to shut up forever and lick the boots of the traitors and oppressors or to engage in mass resistance to tyranny.

Just remember...

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater the animating contest for freedom; go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samual Adams

THEY THAT GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SAFETY. Ben Franklin 1759

You decide.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Originally posted by ConSigCor:
[b]Free Speech?

THEY THAT GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SAFETY. Ben Franklin 1759

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There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!


There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


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A Brief History Of Domestic Spying

The current scandal coming out of Washington is not new. Our nation has moved steadily toward becoming a total surveillance society over the last 15 years. While Reagan-era laws like the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) were intended to monitor agents and proxies of hostile foreign governments like the Soviet Union, or other foreign nationals; this law provides checks and balances that have been discarded by the last three administrations.

Starting with the Clinton administration in the early 1990’s, we have seen a progressive discarding of the due process restrictions on domestic intelligence gathering, which has now reached the point where the federal government has finally admitted that it is tracking virtually every phone call, email, fax, text message, in the country.

Electronic surveillance began during the cold war era with a joint project known as ECHELON. It was so secret that its existence was not confirmed until the 1990’s when other forms of surveillance were discovered. ECHELON essentially was a mutual surveillance pact between the USA, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand. Our spy agencies, barred by law from spying on its own citizens, circumvented the law by spying on other countries’ telecommunications and then shared that information with our partners in ECHELON.

They in turn spied on Americans and turned over the raw data to the NSA. Wiretapping of domestic calls by the federal government began in earnest with the passage of CALEA, also known as the Communication Assistance for Law Enforcement Act. While this program is still tied up in court due to lawsuits by educators and librarians, it did give impetus to the Clinton administration’s abortive attempt to place spyware into every phone made in the USA. Known as key escrow, the ill-conceived CLIPPER CHIP was intended to give the government a backdoor into all encrypted domestic phone use. MAGIC LANTERN is a form of spyware known as policeware, which functions as a trojan program on a targeted individual’s computer. It logs keystrokes and then surreptitiously sends packets of the captured keystrokes over the internet to the FBI for analysis. Magic Lantern was first reported in a column by Bob Sullivan of MSNBC.

Unlike previous keystroke logger programs used by the FBI, Magic Lantern can reportedly be installed remotely, via an e-mail attachment or by exploiting common operating system vulnerabilities . It has been variously described as a virus and a Trojan horse. It is not known how the program might store or communicate the recorded keystrokes.

In response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2000 by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, the FBI released a series of unclassified documents relating to CARNIVORE. Sullivan's confidential source said that redacted portions of that document mention Cyber Knight , . . . a database that sorts and matches data gathered using various Carnivore-like methods from email, chat rooms, instant messages, and Internet phone calls. It also matches files with captured encryption keys.

Spokesmen for the FBI soon confirmed the existence of a program called Magic Lantern, denied that it had been deployed, and declined to comment further. DCS 1000 and OMNIVORE are variations on CARNIVORE. OMNIVORE is an “enhanced” version that “sniffs” the Internet and scans all communications for ECHELON-style trigger words. TIA is the “Total Information Awareness” program developed by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, creators of the Internet). Originally run by convicted felon and Iran-Contra conspirator Adm. John Poindexter, the Information Awareness Office was immediately exposed by online privacy activists. Ominously, the project logo featured a Masonicstyle pyramid with the “all seeing eye” casting its gaze upon the world in Orwellian fashion (see below).

The TIA website was subsequently removed from the Internet by the IAO in a belated attempt to quell public furor over such a widespread and warrantless surveillance of the public.
TIPS was developed in 2002 in an attempt to get fearful post-9/11 Americans to spy on one another. It came under intense scrutiny in July of 2002 when the Washington Post alleged in an editorial that the program was vaguely defined.

The program's website implied that US workers who had access to private citizens' homes, such as cable installers and telephone repair workers, would be reporting on what was in people's homes if it was deemed suspicious.

Operation TIPS was accused of doing an end run around the United States Constitution. The original wording of the website was subsequently changed. President Bush's Attorney General, John Ashcroft, denied that private residences would be surveilled by private citizens operating as government spies.

Mr. Ashcroft nonetheless defended the program, equivocating on whether the reports by citizens on fellow citizens would be maintained in government databases. While saying that the information would not be in a central database as part of Operation TIPS, he maintained that the information would still be kept in databases by various police agencies.

The databases were an explicit concern of civil liberties groups (on both the left and the right) who felt that such databases could include false information about citizens with no way for those citizens to know that such information was compiled about them, nor any way for them to correct the information, nor any way for them to confront their accusers.

MATRIX is the Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange. Although some privacy advocates said the program is dead due to lack of funding, the criminal misuse and mis-allocation of US funds in Iraq make it possible for the NSA to easily re-fund this program covertly.


FBI Surveillance Capability More Extensive Than Once Thought
By: JBS Staff
October 1, 2007

Documents obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation have provided disturbing details about the extent of the FBI’s ability to monitor the communications of American citizens. According to Wired News reporter Ryan Singel, “The FBI has quietly built a sophisticated, point-and-click surveillance system that performs instant wiretaps on almost any communications device, according to nearly a thousand pages of restricted documents newly released under the Freedom of Information Act.”

Known as “DCSNet,” for Digital Collection System Network, it closely connects FBI wiretapping installations with the nation’s telecommunications infrastructure. According to Wired, “It is far more intricately woven into the nation’s telecom infrastructure than observers suspected. It’s a ‘comprehensive wiretap system that intercepts wire-line phones, cellular phones, SMS and push-to-talk systems,’ says Steven Bellovin, a Columbia University computer science professor and longtime surveillance expert.”

According to the Wired report, the FBI’s private network is run by telecommunications company Sprint Nextel. How powerful is this surveillance network? According to Wired: “The network allows an FBI agent in New York, for example, to remotely set up a wiretap on a cell phone based in Sacramento, California, and immediately learn the phone’s location, then begin receiving conversations, text messages and voicemail pass codes in New York. With a few keystrokes, the agent can route the recordings to language specialists for translation.”


Patriot Act Under Fire
By: JBS Staff
October 1, 2007

The USA Patriot Act has come under fire in U.S. District Court from Judge Victor Marrero of the Southern District of New York. The case related to National Security Letters which, according to Wired News, were used under the Patriot Act “to issue 143,074 requests for phone and internet records from 2003 to 2005,” and which, “as a recent Inspector General report showed … led to abuses and sloppiness.” Judge Marrero found that strict secrecy rules imposed on recipients of National Security Letters (NSLs) “amounted to prior restraint on speech and allowed the FBI to pick and choose which persons would be gagged, based on whether the feds believed the target might speak critically of the government.”

In his ruling, Judge Marrero also warned: “The NSL … poses profound concerns to our society, not the least of which, as reported by the OIG, is the potential for abuse [in] its employment. Through the use of NSLs, the government can unmask the identity of internet users engaged in anonymous speech in online discussions. It can obtain an itemized list of all the emails sent and received by the target of the NSL, and it can then seek information on individuals communicating with that person. It may even be able to discover the websites an individual has visited and queries submitted to search engines.”


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Intel Official: Expect Less Privacy

WASHINGTON (AP) - As Congress debates new rules for government eavesdropping, a top intelligence official says it is time that people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information.

Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Lawmakers hastily changed the 1978 law last summer to allow the government to eavesdrop inside the United States without court permission, so long as one end of the conversation was reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S.

The original law required a court order for any surveillance conducted on U.S. soil, to protect Americans' privacy. The White House argued that the law was obstructing intelligence gathering because, as technology has changed, a growing amount of foreign communications passes through U.S.-based channels.

The most contentious issue in the new legislation is whether to shield telecommunications companies from civil lawsuits for allegedly giving the government access to people's private e-mails and phone calls without a FISA court order between 2001 and 2007.

Some lawmakers, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, appear reluctant to grant immunity. Suits might be the only way to determine how far the government has burrowed into people's privacy without court permission.

The committee is expected to decide this week whether its version of the bill will protect telecommunications companies. About 40 wiretapping suits are pending.

The central witness in a California lawsuit against AT&T says the government is vacuuming up billions of e-mails and phone calls as they pass through an AT&T switching station in San Francisco.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T technician, helped connect a device in 2003 that he says diverted and copied onto a government supercomputer every call, e-mail, and Internet site access on AT&T lines.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed the class-action suit, claims there are as many as 20 such sites in the U.S.

The White House has promised to veto any bill that does not grant immunity from suits such as this one.

Congressional leaders hope to finish the bill by Thanksgiving. It would replace the FISA update enacted in August that privacy groups and civil libertarians say allows the government to read Americans' e- mails and listen to their phone calls without court oversight.

Kerr said at an October intelligence conference in San Antonio that he finds concerns that the government may be listening in odd when people are "perfectly willing for a green-card holder at an (Internet service provider) who may or may have not have been an illegal entrant to the United States to handle their data."

He noted that government employees face up to five years in prison and $100,000 in fines if convicted of misusing private information.

Millions of people in this country—particularly young people—already have surrendered anonymity to social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook, and to Internet commerce. These sites reveal to the public, government and corporations what was once closely guarded information, like personal statistics and credit card numbers.

"Those two generations younger than we are have a very different idea of what is essential privacy, what they would wish to protect about their lives and affairs. And so, it's not for us to inflict one size fits all," said Kerr, 68. "Protecting anonymity isn't a fight that can be won. Anyone that's typed in their name on Google understands that."

"Our job now is to engage in a productive debate, which focuses on privacy as a component of appropriate levels of security and public safety," Kerr said. "I think all of us have to really take stock of what we already are willing to give up, in terms of anonymity, but (also) what safeguards we want in place to be sure that giving that doesn't empty our bank account or do something equally bad elsewhere."

Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group that defends online free speech, privacy and intellectual property rights, said Kerr's argument ignores both privacy laws and American history.

"Anonymity has been important since the Federalist Papers were written under pseudonyms," Opsahl said. "The government has tremendous power: the police power, the ability to arrest, to detain, to take away rights. Tying together that someone has spoken out on an issue with their identity is a far more dangerous thing if it is the government that is trying to tie it together."

Opsahl also said Kerr ignores the distinction between sacrificing protection from an intrusive government and voluntarily disclosing information in exchange for a service.

"There is something fundamentally different from the government having information about you than private parties," he said. "We shouldn't have to give people the choice between taking advantage of modern communication tools and sacrificing their privacy."

"It's just another 'trust us, we're the government,'" he said.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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So, basically, this website would be shut down...?


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There has never been 'Free' speech here or anywhere else. Freedom to express oneself has been paid for with the BLOOD of many Patriots in many places over the years.

Question everyone needs to ask themselves now is whether YOU are ready to pay with blood for your right to speak?

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Remember: You have the right to speak unpopular speech. If force is used to silence you, you have the right to use force as well. Lethal if need be.


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Quote Hawk45: Question everyone needs to ask themselves now is whether YOU are ready to pay with blood for your right to speak?

Reply: Naw, i'm ready to make the other bastard bleed for my right to free speech!!


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Yes, indeed, Patriot. I agree completely with your philosophy.


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"Your job is not to die for your country. Your job is to make the other poor bastard die for his country." - General George S Patton


"Guard well the words you use, for they can be the keys to your freedom or the manacles of your slavery." - me
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Free speech ends with a stroke of a pen? If need be, I'll step forward to keep it with my/our own pen....a firing pin. I refuse to lie down with the sheep.


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Why are HR 1955 and other repressive laws becoming a necessity?

Because US citizens are getting too close to the truth.

What can a corrupt government do when it realizes that the people are catching on?

Demonize the truth tellers.

Right now, as you read this, the US government is engaged in a sophisticated media campaign to equate 9/11 research with terrorism.

Sound outlandish?

It's not.

It started with a Congressional hearing called:

"Using the web as a weapon: The Internet as a tool
for violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism."

At this hearing, 9/11 Truth groups were lumped
together with violent terrorists. Even Ron Paul is equated with being a terrorist.

You can watch them do it with your own eyes.

This is an extremely important video to spread.

NOTICE how Bill OhReally and Glen Beck attack your right of free speech and anyone who doesn't buy the official 'Faux' party line.


This video is extremely important. Watch it closely.

Though the authors of H.R. 1955 would likely deny that the bill could be used to crack down on free speech and legitimate political opposition, the talking heads on the main stream networks have made it very clear that they would like this kind of legislation to do just that.
Can H.R. 1955 be used to silence the voices of dissent? Let's have a look.

Freedom of Speech and H.R. 1955 pt. 1


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HR 1955 Part 2

Silencing dissenters is nothing new. During the "Red Scare" our authoritarian rulers used the label of "communist sympathizer" to coerce and intimidate the nation to into uniform silence. Like good children, we are to be seen and not heard. The House Un-American Activities Committee and McCarthyism have been pulled back out of the closet to fight a new enemy, "Homegrown Extremists". Are H.R. 1955 and S. 1959 the greatest dangers to the freedom of speech, press, and assembly since the HUAC and Sen. Joseph McCarthy? Let's have a look...

HR 1955 Part 2


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Its time to make our own Red & Blue Lists, if not being done already.

For future "Trials" of course.


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Well, they've made it abundantly clear that we are not going to hang onto our liberty or our nation through the political process.

Question is what, where and when?

I see little to no leadership, no balls and no one willing to make the first move. Can't say I blame anyone but that is the way it is.

What would be the spark needed?
Where is our "Tea Party"?
Where is our Lexington Green?

Seems we're getting close but there are not enough of us and every day that goes by the enemy grows stronger.

Much longer and it will be a moot point as to whether there is even any reasonable chance of victory. Of course, Churchill noted that there might come a time when men have to fight to the death merely because it is better than to live as slaves. I couldn't agree more.

Some would do anything to breathe the air for one more minute. I would not.

Bottom line though:
We're in trouble.
Our nation is in trouble.
And we are nowhere near ready to do anything to save her.



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What will be our Tea Party?

Probably something along the lines of a truck full of REAL ID making equipment getting smashed by a bulldozer with a Gadsden flag painted on its blade.


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I thought that was already done with the "FREE SPEECH ZONES".

Not long ago, people were being arrested for reading THE CONSTITUTION in a public park. This was a group of left wingers who apparently were trying to educate themselves.


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Originally posted by SGTBloodLoss:
What will be our Tea Party?

Probably something along the lines of a truck full of REAL ID making equipment getting smashed by a bulldozer with a Gadsden flag painted on its blade.
The original Tea Party was meant to impinge on King George's income. That would be a great idea but the amount of wealth we are dealing here would make virtually anything we could do a mere drop in the ocean.
Further, they would simply print more money if they really needed to. They have shown no restraint in this regard and they hold all the presses.

As such, options are limited.



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Originally posted by swabjocky:
I thought that was already done with the "FREE SPEECH ZONES".

Not long ago, people were being arrested for reading THE CONSTITUTION in a public park. This was a group of left wingers who apparently were trying to educate themselves.
Got a link to a story about that?


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Originally posted by swabjocky:
[b] I thought that was already done with the "FREE SPEECH ZONES".

Not long ago, people were being arrested for reading THE CONSTITUTION in a public park. This was a group of left wingers who apparently were trying to educate themselves.
Got a link to a story about that? [/b]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLuYvBeq40


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Thanks North Force, yup that's the one.


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United American Committee's interview of Dutch MP Geert Wilders that was filmed along with Tom Trento of the Florida Security Council while on our recent trip to the Parliament in The Netherlands. It is an amazing interview that is a warning to everyone in America of things to come:

View this original video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2ZG_qUDKk


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"Three is good, four would be better, but three is good" Mel Gibson in the Patriot.

"Now if I can find two more, I'd be good". Swabjocky
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It has been worse at times. They taught me in history that after a war, there is often a witch hunt. After WWI it was a Red Scare. Ordinary folk in Seattle were on strike as true blue collar folk will do, and the city elites labelled them "bolsheviks" and, "anarchists" and "Reds".

Spin and slander.

Back then, and after WWII, the federal government could get away with much more. Opening your mail and taping it shut before sending it back on to you. Etc. The US populace is smarter, better educated, and lawyers abound. While control freaks have computers to snoop, computers allow a free flow of ideas.

I'm not saying we have Utopia, just that it has been worse.

Then, there is the tone of AM radio. Nothing stifles a free marketplace of ideas better than cultivated contempt. AM radio's carefully crafted tone allows contrary ideas to be, in effect, shouted down. With mocking laughter, name-calling, etc. Similar to the way the city fathers of Seattle, in 1919, marginalized blue collar strikers with a manipulative witch hunt.

That's my two cents. Feel free to disagree. I can take it, 'cause this is America.

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I feel sick, honestly it is getting deep with no where to retreat to in a big dam hurry.
When retreat is not possible, or responsible...

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Originally posted by drjarhead:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SGTBloodLoss:
[qb] What will be our Tea Party?

Probably something along the lines of a truck full of REAL ID making equipment getting smashed by a bulldozer with a Gadsden flag painted on its blade.
If when the day comes you cannot find a catskinner to run your dozer, give me a call a couple hours ahead of time. There is NOT a piece of equipment I have climbed up on I haven't been able to figure out and accomplish the task at hand.

This is just me now mind you but I think I might go with either a large EXCAVATOR or FRONT END LOADER w/a grappler like what is used to unload logging trucks at a mill. I AM NOT a logger nor a log truck driver or I WOULD KNOW the proper lingo for said equipment needed.

It would be MY HONOR to be operating a piece of construction/logging/mining equipment at the beginning of the rebellion which is coming.
Ya'll can count me in.
I got a couple other skill sets too but NOT in the public forums.


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When retreat is not possible, or responsible...

[b]Gentlemen ...FIX BAYONETS!!
wink [/b]
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Internet Censorship Protest Shuts Down Australian Government Websites

Hacker group in demonstration against web filter that blocks sites deemed offensive by authorities


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, February 11, 2010

Hackers protesting government censorship of the Internet have shut down several Australian government websites in a demonstration against the announcement that filters would be imposed to block access to websites deemed offensive by the authorities.

The campaign was launched by the anti-Scientology group Anonymous in response to plans to implement a mandatory and wide-ranging internet filter modeled on that of the Communist Chinese government.

This is not the first time the group has attacked government websites, having launched a similar stunt last September.

“The main government website, www.australia.gov.au, and parliament’s www.aph.gov.au were both affected along with the sites for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy,” reports AFP.

“No one messes with our access to perfectly legal (or illegal) content for any reason,” said a statement released by the group.

The Australian government attacked the campaign as “not a legitimate form of political statement.”

Despite the Australian government promising that the Internet filter would only be used to block access to child pornography and other illegal websites, the watchdog group Electronic Frontiers Australia warned that the law will also allow the government to block any website it desires under vague definitions.

In March 2009, the Wikileaks website published a leaked secret list of sites slated to be blocked by Australia’s state-sponsored parental filter.

The list revealed that blacklisted sites included “online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist.”

The filter will even block web-based games deemed unsuitable for anyone over the age of fifteen, according to the Australian government.

Calls to mandate Internet users to obtain licenses, in other words government permission, before they can post to the web have grown in recent weeks, with top Microsoft executive Craig Mundie insisting at the recent Davos Economic Forum that the Internet should be policed.

Within days, Time Magazine enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon to back Mundie’s proposal, as authorities push for a system even more stifling than in Communist China, where only people who have been approved by the authorities would be allowed to express free speech.

ISPs across the world, including in supposed democratic countries like the UK, the US and New Zealand, have periodically blocked access to Alex Jones’ websites without justification and only restored access after a barrage of complaints.

As we have highlighted before, although the merits of hacking as a form of protest can be debated, what seems certain to happen is that governments will launch a false flag cyber attack which will cause a major catastrophe that can then be blamed on the free Internet, acting as a pretext to tighten the screws on plans for centralized regulation and censorship which are already in place.

Watch the video below in which Alex Jones exposes the incremental deployment of Chinese style Internet censorship across the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG--42sjAvA&feature=player_embedded


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