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Re: Time to Curb Rise in Deadly Paramilitary Police Raids #150197
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There should be no doubt by this time that the federalization and militarization of the police is the result of a thought-out plan.

But there is also a trap being set.

Currently the militarization comes about from the lack of the justice system to actually keep the criminals locked up. So you have a lot of couch-conservatives clamoring for more police powers and for them they sort of "get off" on displays of police power. This is similar to how people get giddy when they think of some young punk getting raped in the ass in prison.

You would expect those same leftist judges and politicians who are soft on criminals to be alarmed at the rising police militarization. But they are not. Why?


The answer comes with the other factor: Illegal Immigration and the establishment of "Sanctuary Cities".

Now we have one of the indoctrinators of fake conservatism, Bill O'Reilly, clamoring for the police to start enforcing federal immigration laws.

No big deal, right? Find out if this is an illegal alien, and then turn that individual over to INS.

But once you have it in laws and doctrine that local police can enforce federal laws, the door is wide open for that part of local police work to become institutionalized. It starts to become a 2-way function where they will get more equipment, training and money from the feds and in return will enforce more federal laws. This will establish a heavily militarized federal police force - not far from where we are now.

There are other factors too. Affirmative action is intended to make sure that those cops who are called upon to enforce bad federal laws will not be related in any way to those upon whome they enforce. Taking that one minortree from the city where "all guns are bad and people who have them are up to no good", give that individual a badge and send him to the country to enforce a confiscation, is a lot more effective than trying to tell bubba to go bust his friends that he grew up with and take their guns.

The other factor to consider as well is the amnest program proposed for the illegals presently here, mainly by granting citizenship to those one individuals who may threafter "import" their families. There is a lot of potential there for the left, who wants exploited low wage workers to get votes from, and the corporate chronies on the right who want more worker to exploit. But the factor that is concerned in the context of this thread is that these people will make great new police officers and military members because of several other traits:
- they "owe" America something for "giving" them a good life. America does not give a good life, but you should all notice how neither the right nor left points that out.
- the culture of the hispanics is such that, as Thomas Jefferson once lamented, is too tied to authority figures and displays to truly embrace liberty. This is not to make a blanket statement about hispanics who already live here and are educated, as we see anglos lacking in education also make similar cultural mistakes, as well as the destroyed black community destroyed for that reason. A wave if poorly educated and desperate for a break mexicans will certainly embrace the good pay and benefits of a police force, and cracking down on fellow citizens for a paycheck is something that central american societies have a more detailed history of.


Indeed the situation looks bleak.


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Re: Time to Curb Rise in Deadly Paramilitary Police Raids #150198
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By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated PressThis was yesterday, Apr. 8; '07 & it was a 19 minutes old story....so, this is the newest on this matter! UGH!!

PITTSBURGH - After six people were shot in the city's Homewood neighborhood in less than 24 hours, Pittsburgh police rolled in with a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports.
(If 6 deaths caused these folks to get a 2o Ton truck...the folks in VA Tech need an A1A Abrams!....right?)

Homeland Security money.(nuff said!) But the show of force sent a message.

With scores of police agencies large and small, from Lexington, Ky., to Austin, Texas, buying armored vehicles at Homeland Security expense, some criminal justice experts warn that their use in fighting everyday crime could do more harm than good and represents a post-9/11, militaristic turn away from the more cooperative community-policing approach promoted in the 1990s.(this writer's obviously too young to remember WACO...RUBY RIDGE...OKC...no "militarization at those places...right? hmmmmm

When the armored truck moved through the Homewood neighborhood late last year, residents came out of their homes to take a look. Some were offended.(gee! REALLY?...wow, what UNpatriotic ANTI-Bushites! ARREST'EM!...seriously tho, it's good to know that at LEAST one person was still awake there! Ha!)

Critics say that the appearance of armored vehicles in high-crime neighborhoods may only increase tensions by making residents feel as if they are under siege.(DUH!...No one old enough to remember the leassons of WATTS??!!)

"The whole military special-operations model is culturally intoxicating", said Peter Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University and an expert on police militarization. "The military-style approach runs a high risk of being very counterproductive." (He's SOOOO glaringly aware of the BLANTANLY obvious! How inspiring!)

"It does worry me when cops try to be more military-like because an armored car is not going to stop a terrorist," he said.(This guy is the MASTER of understatement!)

In Pittsburgh, a city of about 370,000 with pockets of mostly drug- or gang-related crime, the armored truck made by Lenco Industries Inc. of Pittsfield, Mass., has "been used about four times a month", Budd said.

He said "the Lenco B.E.A.R., (or Ballistic Engineered Armored Response and Rescue vehicle), was bought primarily to be used in hostage situations and when officers are wounded". On Sunday, the truck was deployed when Pittsburgh's SWAT team responded to a report of an armed man holed up in a home. The standoff ended peacefully.

Since the Sept. 11 attacks, police in Lexington, Ky., a city of about 280,000, have obtained two armored vehicles, including a Lenco B.E.A.R. (paid for with Homeland Security money), and two military helicopters acquired from the Pentagon.(GEE MOMMY! Aren't those men in the big truck soooooo nice! They're giving our neighbor a FREE RIDE...the're even CARRYING HIM to their truck!...Mommy...what does DHS mean?)

IT MAKES ONE FEEL SOOOOO WARM & CUDDLEY...what with the SPECIAL CARE that our dearly beloved members of der Furers' DHS will give us! SOOOOONNNN!


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Re: Time to Curb Rise in Deadly Paramilitary Police Raids #150199
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Dr. "J", i just now read your post, and I must say that you've done an EXCELLENT JOB of simplifying, & clarifying the present SERIOUS degradation of our Nations' values, employment ops, and LEO's! WELL SAID SIR!

I am an OPTOMIST by nature(the way God created me!), but, at present, ALL I CAN "SEE" is that this Nation's populace is opting for SELF!

SELF gratification(porn, drugs, booze, etc.)...SELF angrandizement: (IDOLS, BRITNEY..etc., frivilous Law suits, Iraq-WOT-WOD, present day "LOBBYISM" in D.C.)...SELF DELUSION: (the STRONG "support the troops[AKA: "support the Prez!"]...the WEAK "support RON PAUL!" showing)...

As for this "TRAP"...yeah, I see it, & I believe it...and I'm PREparing for it... and I HOPE & PRAY that OTHERS are too...but, the MORE likely reality is that, that's not going to do anything but make our capture & incarceration a bit slower & more difficult...and painfull for ALL parties involved.

Because, UNFORTUNATELY, I DOUBT that many "see" it as a TRAP, but MOST accept it as an improvement! So, MOST will GLADLY HELP with our capture & incarceration...or other...

BLEAK INDEED!


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Zeroedin, Your sarcastic truth telling is entertaining and educational. It's a good way to get people to read and think. Dr.J you always have an insightful way of relaying the real story and getting to conversation going. I salute you both cool


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Re: Time to Curb Rise in Deadly Paramilitary Police Raids #150202
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I never thought in a million years that I would ever agree with ANYTHING written by Carolyn Baker. The fact that I have any common ground what-so-ever with a rabidly anti-christian mystic like Baker... surely means that we do live in really weird times.

Not only that, yesterday I found myself in agreement with Gore Vidal, and Bruce Springsteen. THE HORROR!!!

Thing is see, I haven't changed my ideology, and neither have the political leftists and/or anti-Christians. It's just the circumstances we both find ourselves in have changed dramatically.


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I never thought in a million years that I would ever agree with ANYTHING written by Carolyn Baker. The fact that I have any common ground what-so-ever with a rabidly anti-christian mystic like Baker... surely means that we do live in really weird times.

Not only that, yesterday I found myself in agreement with Gore Vidal, and Bruce Springsteen. THE HORROR!!!

Thing is see, I haven't changed my ideology, and neither have the political leftists and/or anti-Christians. It's just the circumstances we both find ourselves in have changed dramatically.
French Resistance and communists battled the Nazis together.

Things could get wierder.


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Re: Time to Curb Rise in Deadly Paramilitary Police Raids #150206
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5244051.html

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Naked Deaf Man posed a threat.
http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?s=7446220

You'd think, with all that fear for their own safety, they would get another job.


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Man can't even take a friggin bath anymore! I hate to think what would have happened if his wife and him had been doing the wild thang. The cops would have NO doubt murdered them both. What a way to go though!!


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801766.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062600954_5.html

Look into this one. The Alexandria P.D. did an 'internal' investigation & ruled the shooting justified. I knew this gentleman, he had a civil war-era blackpowder revolver & was pointing it in the air when he was shot by 2 SWAT agents, at least one of the guys admitted in the police report that his view was obstructed by leaves from a tree when he fired (the first shot). After he was shot the first time, they shot him again in the back.


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Oh yeah, & they murdered the guy AFTER the boy was secured by the agents.


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Two Words. Crotch and Neck.

A while back I was watching a show where a swat team was raiding a house, and the owner of the house had a unique way of dealing with it. He had the idea that one day he would be raided, so he strung a high pressure air line all the way around his house, and ran it back to a pump sprayer inside the house.

The small clear air line was not noticeable, but had small holes drilled into it every couple feet or so. When he heard what was going on, he squeezed the pump trigger and released a fine mist of kerosene on the unsuspecting officers who were sneaking around his home, then like the fourth of july, a spark was struck, and a wall of fire circled his house setting all the swat on fire, and he had a perfect chance to pick them all off one at a time.

But of coarse, this was just a movie. We all know that No One would ever do such a thing to our Fine boys in swat uniforms.


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Troy SOS drug raid targets wrong site

TROY — A search warrant executed by the city Police Department’s Special Operations Section went awry July 3 when officers broke into a woman’s 396 First St. home thinking it was a drug house.

The Emergency Response Team, a highly trained, heavily armed unit of the SOS, shot the locks out of the front door, broke the front window and lobbed in a fake grenade, known as a “flash bang,” which emits a loud noise and a bright light and is designed to disorient residents. The flash bang seared the living room carpet, according to sources.

It turned out that police believed the house was a drug house and the address on the warrant was correct but the occupant was not a drug dealer at all.

Sgt. Pat Rosney heads up the SOS team for the Troy Police Department.

A neighbor, who preferred to remain anonymous, said he was not at home during the raid but said the resident is a “good person” and “doesn’t bother anyone.”

“They could have at least fixed up their stuff,” he said. “They broke her door and her window and really busted the place up.”

The woman living there was placed into custody but was released a short time later. She could not be reached for comment.

By evening, the door had a fresh coat of paint and a new lockset and deadbolt. But the aluminum window frame was dented and the blind covering the window was ripped.

The landlord, Mark Finielli could not be reached for comment.

Warrants, like the one signed by Troy Judge Matt Turner, are requested of a judge if there is probable cause or evidence of a crime.
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Most cases involving violent felons or fugitives are of the no-knock variety, in that police do not have to request entry. Many drug crimes fall into this category because the illegal substance, especially when cocaine is involved, can be easily flushed down to the toilet or otherwise gotten rid of.

Through a spokesman, Mayor Harry Tutunjian referred comment to the Police Department.

“As in all major search warrant operations, this is under review by the Police Administration,” said department spokesman Sgt. Dave Dean.


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I have never seen that movie but there is another one that is quite interesting.

Speed

In that movie a crazed bomber rigged up his home so after SWAT entered his home it self destructed and took all the SWAT cops with it.

Another good way to make a point.

Is to rig your home like in the movie Speed but to have it triggered via a pendent dead mans switch which is kept next to the persons bed.

By the way what would have happened if David Koresh had rigged Mount Carmel in this manner and had let all the bad guys in before activating the self destruct. Or if he had rigged the land that the bad guys were parked on with Foo-Gas under ground. I believe that during the Ruby Ridge incident Bo Gritzs told the FBI that they should not try to storm Weavers Cabin as they wanted to do, since Randy was a Special Forces Demolition expert and might have rigged his property with Foo Gas.

And one last thing about that first movie, Kevlar is not Nomex and provides no protection against fire as far as I know.

And here is one interesting fact Flame Throwers are not classified as firearms and can be purchased easily or even made.


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