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Plane crashes into Northwest Austin office building

Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:08 AM

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...010/02/18/austin_police_say_a_plane.html

A plane crashed into a Northwest Austin office building about 9:30 this morning, sending plumes of smoke into the air that could be seen for miles.

Paramedics have set up a triage center at the scene, though it is unclear how many people are injured.

“We have no idea right now if there are any patients, or how many,” Austin-Travis County EMS Assistant Director James Shamard said.

Witnesses say the building is the Echelon 1 building, which is in the 9400 block or Research Boulevard.


EMS officials said it was a seven-story building and that two people were unaccounted for. A witness said it was the Echelon I building.

According to an FBI agent who asked not to be identified because he isn’t authorized to release information, the incident is being investigated as an accident, although eyewitnesses said the plane seemed to come in at full throttle. He said the plane was out of Waco and that Federal Aviation Administration officials are en route to the scene.

The agent said it was believed the plane had come from Waco, and that witnesses said it had hit the building at full-throttle.

FBI sources said that the eyewitness accounts saying that the plane did not slow down is making some authorities wonder if it was an intentional act.

Chris Messer was driving to work about 9:50 a.m. when he was on the flyover exiting MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1) to northbound U.S. 183 when he saw a small, single-engine yellow plane in his peripheral vision.

“It flew right in front of me and flew right square into the building,” said Messner, 27. “The fireball was pretty big. It shook my car and the heat came in from my air vents. I was surprised how big the explosion is.”

Messner said the explosion was “as wide as the entire building.”

“The tail was down slightly like it was trying to pull up a little bit,” Messner said. “It happened really fast.”

Tucker Thurman was driving to work on the U.S. 183 flyover near MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1) when he said he saw a small plane, very low, flying over the highway. He said he saw it then bank heavily to the right before heading into the building.

“There was a huge fireball. It went right into the building,” Thurman said.

EMS officials said they have taken at least two patients to the hospital, but that there are several “walking wounded” at the scene.

Fire Chief Rhoda Mae Kerr said that the department has gone into a “defensive position,” meaning that firefighters have been ordered to retreat from the building because of the danger.

Fire department officials said EMS has begun taking people to University Medical Center Brackenridge.
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Cayce Watkins, a server at the Marie Callender’s restaurant at 9503 Research Boulevard across 183 from where the plane crashed, said: “It rattled our windows.”

Watkins said employees heard the roar of the plane and then a boom.

“There was a loud boom, and our windows, our entire building shook,” said Darla LaTour, an operations manager at the Candlewood Suites Extended Stay Hotel, which is about a quarter-mile from the accident site. “When we got out there already were sirens coming.”

Mischelle Diaz, a spokeswoman for St. Edward’s University, said the plane hit a building in the Echelon business complex next to a building where the university’s Professional Education Center provides software training and teaches some graduate students. She said the education center has been evacuated and that university officials were trying to confirm that students and instructors all got out safely.

“We’re just desperately trying to get some information,” Diaz said.

Stuart Newberg was at a nearby Lexus dealership shortly before 10 a.m. when he said he saw a plane flying low and fast overhead.

“It was flying low and fast and I did a double take. I thought it was a play remote control plane. Then i saw the smoke,” Newberg said.

When asked if the plane seemed to be out of control, he said it seemed “very controlled.”


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Source: http://embeddedart.com/ On-line as of 1:09 PM CT Expect this to get knocked off line by this evening.

Just another pissed off frustrated citizen, one of how many, or a nut job?

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If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.


Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a **** about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a **** about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy **** up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of **** at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

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And this somehow betters you.
I conclude that you know NOTHING.
You obviously think that you are some how better than us, that we are somehow like any other sheeple person. Ain't that the cake calling the pie unhealthy. Well you are WRONG. You do not stand alone. Unless if you exclude us, in which case go save the world by yourself. You won't make it.


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Source: FBI Knew Austin Attack Was Coming

Dallas office dispatched agents yesterday afternoon to be on the ground in Austin

Source: FBI Knew Austin Attack Was Coming

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, February 18, 2010

A trusted source has told this office that the FBI knew Austin was going to be attacked today and had dispatched officers from its Dallas headquarters yesterday afternoon to be in place for today’s incident.

The source claims that a confidential memo was circulated yesterday detailing that a building in Austin was going to be the target of an attack today. He was told this by an informant who works in the Dallas FBI office.

Four FBI agents hurriedly left the Dallas office yesterday to be ready and on the scene for the aftermath of the incident, according to the informant, who was shaken when he saw events unfolding today and put two and two together.

We cannot confirm the accuracy of the claim but the source is known to us and has no motivation for inventing the story.

The fact that pilot Joe Stack changed his manifesto at least 27 times before the final version suggests that he had been writing it for days and this could have been what tipped off the FBI in the build up to the attack.

The claim dovetails with reports we are receiving from Austin residents that the FBI were immediately on the scene after the plane crash and were filming both the building and eyewitnesses.

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A separate witness told KXAN News that there were Hazmat teams and fire trucks in place across the street before the plane struck the building.

Infowars reporters who spoke to neighbors at Stack’s house, which he had burned down before crashing the plane, expressed surprise at how quick emergency services responded to the fire. One neighbor, named Elbert, said that emergency crews arrived five minutes after he made the 911 call.

Whether the attack was the work of a lone individual or part of a larger set-up, the aftermath is being exploited to the full by the corporate media and people like Glenn Beck, who are blaming the incident on Constitutionalists and the liberty movement, implying that anyone who shares any of the grievances outlined in Stack’s lengthy manifesto are also intent on crashing planes into buildings.

Of course, the previous staged terror attack, the Christmas Day underwear bomber incident, was proven to be a set-up and the authorities repeatedly had to change their cover story after eyewitness Kurt Haskell, who was initially derided by the media, was eventually proven right in the fact that the bomber was allowed to board Flight 253 by order of the State Department.

Authorities were similarly prepared in advance of the 9/11 attacks in New York City. As part of the Tripod II exercise, FEMA deployed on September 10 to set up a command post at Pier 29 supposedly in preparation for a biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12.

We are providing the following tip line for people in Austin to send their eyewitness and news tips about this incident to us.

The number is 512-646-4444.


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Maybe the guy was SUPPOSED to fly into the building.
Gives them an excuse to build more defences.
So much for your martyr of freedom, d308 cat.


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Corporate Media Blames Kamikaze Attack On Tea Parties

Corporate Media Blames Kamikaze Attack On Tea Parties 180210time

Paul Joseph Watson
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Thursday, February 18, 2010

UPDATE: Both the Washington Post and New York Magazine are also blaming the Tea Parties for the attack.

A Washington Post writer says “I am struck by how his alienation is similar to that we’re hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement.”

New York Magazine says “In fact, a lot of his rhetoric could have been taken directly from a handwritten sign at a tea party rally.”

Hat Tip: Information Liberation

Time Magazine has wasted little time in crudely exploiting the kamikaze plane attack in Austin today to smear Tea Party activists as violent domestic terrorists, implying that anyone upset with big brother and the federal government is in league with Joe Stack, the pilot who crashed his Piper Cherokee into a building that housed IRS offices.

With Obama supporters already crawling over message boards labeling the incident a “right-wing domestic terror attack,” Time Magazine has already jumped on board with a piece by Hilary Hylton which equates Stack’s rambling manifesto with “the angry populist sentiments that have swept the country in the past year”.

Below the third paragraph of the article, there appears a red link to a story entitled, The Making of the Tea Party Movement, which was also published today.

The agenda is transparent – despite the fact that Stack does not mention the Tea Party once in his lengthy manifesto, Time is attempting to blame the kamikaze attack on the Tea Party mentality within hours of the incident.

“The White House was quick to say the incident was not a plot by overseas terrorists. But was it terrorism nevertheless?” asks Hylton. “In his note, Stack was very clear he was unhappy with the U.S. government. He complained about onerous and merciless taxation of individuals like him as well as corruption and the special treatment the executives of big corporations allegedly received after their companies failed. And he seemed to be as emboldened as any suicide bomber.”

So according to Time Magazine’s implication, anyone who is upset and angry at the government wants to crash planes into buildings and kill themselves.


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Austin Plane Crash Labeled “Right-Wing Domestic Terror Attack” By Obama Supporters

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Prison Planet.com
Thursday, February 18, 2010

In anticipation of evening cable news shows exploiting one man’s grievances against the IRS to smear the entire liberty movement, websites on both sides of the political equation are being flooded with messages from what appear to be Obama supporters calling the Austin plane crash an act of “right-wing domestic terror” committed by a Tea Party activist.

Comments on both Democratic Underground and Fox Nation are blaming the attack on Tea Party activists and others in the freedom movement. They appear to be coming mainly from Obama supporters and liberals.

A selection of comments appears below.

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“This is a right-wing domestic terror act. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY – THIS SHOULD CONCERN YOU!”

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“Looks like one of the Teabaggers woke up on the wrong side of the bed. LOL. You nuts better not start doing this regularly.”

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“Not a single one of you is concerned that one of your own just committed an act of domestic terror. You are already attacking the messenger and they have not even brought the message in yet.”

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“YOU need to take an ounce of responsibility. All you repubbers are complaining about Bush but still putting all the blame for Bush’s errors on Obama or “The Government”. This plane guy decided to attack the Government. Pilot-guy sounds like a thousand posts I have read on thee boards.”

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“His “manifesto” is rank and file conservative/tea party/ repub rhetoric. I’ve read the same thing on these since before Obama was inaugurated. That dude would fit right in here, and maybe he did.”

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“These “anti-government” right wing hate machines really need to realize that violence will be done by their followers. People like Beck think about ratings, but when you tell enough people that the “government is out to get them” , sooner or later some of these people will decide to strike first.
We will see more domestic terrorism. People like the posters here need to accept responsibility to police themselves. You preach hate and destroying your enemies “foreign or domestic” and people will start blowing up innocent people because of the message you preach.

YOU did this, and I;ve no doubt more blood will be spilled because of you. Right wingers have a terrible (actually worse the dems) record of fiscal responsibility, small government, and unobtrusive gov: yet you are yelling that America is being attacked by democrats in this area.

STOP IT!

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There is no point in “dialogue” with you right wingers, you guys are the taliban of america.”

“Accept responsibility. One of YOU committed a domestic terror act. You should be thinking about that rather than insulting democrats as usual.”

“Another terrorist attack by the GOP/FOXZI/Aryan Nation, and there Teabagger storm troopers.”


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Was Plane Crash In Texas Intentional Act?
February 19th, 2010 - 12:20 am ICT by Angela Kaye Mason Tell a Friend -

Piper Cherokee Austin, TX, Feb 18 (THAINDIAN NEWS) It is unclear as of presstime, where the small plane which crashed into a commercial building in Austin Tx, on Highway 183 in North Austin. Two people are unaccounted for, and people are feared trapped in the building. Several stories of this seven story building are engulfed with flames, and this building houses the CIA, FBI and IRS in the Texas town. They do not have any idea how many people were in the plane. There are reports of injury but the extent is unknown.

The plane is described as onlookers as a “Piper Cherokee.” Experts are trying to determine how such as small plane could hold enough fuel to cause this big of an explosion. A witness saw the blue and white plane, flying very low, barely skimming the road going extremely fast, as though it were on full blast. He said it hit right dead center of where the huge gaping hole is now. He said the explosion was maybe 50 feet wide.

The law enforcement is proceeding on the assumption that this was intentional, “It definitely has all the earmarks of an intentional act” said a police spokesperson, Jim Hall,”Of course all we have right now is eyewitness accounts, and those have to be verified”

The whole front of the building is completely destroyed, much more damage than expected for such a small plane, which makes them suspect explosive may have been on board, but it is all speculatory at this point.

The area has been evacuated, due to the smoke, and authorities are not aware as of yet exactly what may be in this smoke. The scope of the fire, and the damage has caused them to suspect this was a purposeful event.


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apperantly small goverment is "bad"...
Right wingers are responsible for one attack apparently...
But not any of the Dems...
Do these people really exist?


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Special K posted it right. It seems the last two lines of his manifesto say it all

communist creed from each according to his ability TO each according to his need

Capitalist creed from each according to his gullibity to each according to his greed.

Sound like pretty common left wing communist dogma to me!

Wake up according to his words he is left wing.


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communist creed from each according to his ability TO each according to his need

Capitalist creed from each according to his gullibity to each according to his greed.
In other words...capitalist, communist...2 sides of the same coin...pure greed on the part of the ruling elite who use both to further their agenda.


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I agree with that CSC, but my question is...Is he is coming from the left side of that coin? do to his more positive outlook on communism. Or am I misreading his comments?

From reading his manifesto and other things he posted. You know maybe he was just a fed up man.

That wasn't sure where to stand,

And the Neo Con and socialist/communists are using this to villify the tea party folks.

The Republican have been trying to hijack the movement and the Left democrats have been trying to make everyone think the Tea Party folks are dangerous.

Does seem odd that the timing plays into both plans.


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OK guy's I guess I was just playing into this false flag episode,But you know why this pisses me off, sorry I just get a little emotional about this. I deleted my tantrum,But I will say Para SKS your probubly to young to know what it's like to have the relentless IRS on you A$$,They are the TERMINATOR. SEMPER FI


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Thanks Propovednik, I printed it out and am going to read the whole thing.

Until I read it I guess I should retract the posts I made above.

I don't want to jump the gun!

The so called suicide note is 5 pages if you print it.

I guess I'll just wonder if he really wrote it?


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Thank you. I can understand.


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Sorry for the deleted post, I screwed up. Here is the supposed suicide note.


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Spin USA: Austin plane crasher must damage the left or the right

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Thursday, February 18, 2010

Partisanship didn’t take a complete backseat on September 11, 2001, as there were some murmurs during the first few hours of media coverage about which side’s administration could be more at fault.

But even five years after Jon Stewart famously told CNN’s dueling Crossfire hosts to “stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America,” some folks can’t stop politicizing tragic events and claiming them for or against their respective sides.

A disturbed Texas man deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a federal tax office Thursday in an apparent suicide attempt, after setting his house on fire, officials said. Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which officials said did not appear to be linked to terrorism.

“This was apparently – according to an official – a deliberate act,” CNN anchor Tony Harris said. “Joseph Andrew Stack is the name of the pilot.”

The plane struck the second floor of the seven story building in Austin, Texas about 10:00 am (1600 GMT) and burst into flames in a massive explosion that forced people to flee out of the windows, witnesses and officials said.

A rambling suicide note signed by Joe Stack was discovered online that blamed the government for an unfair tax system which he apparently said ruined his life.

The unverifiable note concluded that “violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer” and said he hoped his actions would cause a “knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are.”

In a provocative column at Business Insider titled “The Austin Texas Bombing Is A HUGE Image Blow To The ‘Tea Party’ Right,” Joe Weisenthal is strikingly honest about the partisanship warfare (and a bit more fair-minded than the title might indicate).

“It’s not clear who the Austin, TX plane crash pilot Joe Stack hung out with, but let’s just put it out there and stop playing pretend: this is not good publicity for the ‘Tea Party’ right, and no, we’re not saying Stack was a tea partier,” Wiesenthal writes. “But in his insane manifesto he rails against the IRS, bailouts, and, well, all of the right wing’s typical enemies.”

Is this fair to the right? No. Will some of the media use this as a chance to smear the “tea partiers”? Sure.

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Spin USA: Austin plane crasher must damage the left or the right 190110banner4

But we’re not talking about what’s fair, we’re just talking about what happens.

The bottom line is that this event is to Obama what Oklahoma City was to Bill Clinton, and Oklahoma City helped Clinton a lot in the dark days after the 1994 election.

At the conservative-leaning Free Republic a number of commenters worry that the incident will tarnish the Tea Party movement and/or call Stack liberal because he mentioned opposition to President George W. Bush.

NavyCanDo writes, “This sounds like the rantings of the loonatic Mike Malloy from Leftist talk radio show. He over the last few nights has been saying violence is the only solution. Hard to believe this guy is alloud to be on the air.”

In response to TruthHound’s “And this commie scumbag gets his spew posted to FREE REPUBLIC!?!? Why?”, VRWCmember responds,

So that when the drive-by media tries to spin selected quotes from the screed as a “tax-protestor” (like those Tea Party extremists), we already have the truth that this guy is no right-winger, but rather a wealth-envying class warrior tax-dodge scammer (probably jealous that TurboTax Timmy could get away with it but he couldn’t), anti-religion, anti-Bush, anti-capitalist nutbag who was probably a hope and change voter. Notice in his screed that he bemoans the fact that congress could bail out the bankers and the automakers, but couldn’t find a way to pass universal healthcare. His SPEW NEEDS TO BE POSTED so that people can see he was no right-winger. Don’t let the media spin this guy as a Tea Party activists. You KNOW they will try.

NavyCanDo agrees, “Probbaly to counter the missinformation. Look at the first few hundred post on the original breaking news. It was greared he was going to be a Tea Party person and that the media was going to use that against conservatives everywhere.”

“He was mad cause Obambi’s hopey & changey didn’t work for him! Boo hoo!” blondee123 writes at Free Republic.

Most ominously, ClearCase_guy, who posts “(We’re all heading toward red revolution – we just disagree on which type of Red we want.) ” next to his Free Republic alias, writes, “Wait and see. This guy won’t be the last. Some will be crazy. Others won’t be so crazy — though the media will call them crazy too.”

At the Village Voice, Roy Edroso notes, “Also the Twitter fight over the attacker’s ideological provenance has begun.”

Did I call it or did I call it? Effing tea bagger pyscho,” says Elisa Hopper; “Anti-Christian Communist responsible for Austin Terrorist Attack,” says DivineMoments.”


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Bottom line,If someone act's against the Government it won't matter who's side he was on We get slapped, If we do nothing we get slapped!So what do we do? Get ready there's a SHIT STORM coming!!! Rat Patriot traitors like G.Beck the Tea Party Poser is already showing his true colors(YELLOW)Abandon ship Abandon ship, plowshares anyone.So when they come for your guns,will you fight or is it over already, Anyone ? SEMPER FI And right on STRAT


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I owe Mr. Stack and his family a apology.

I guess the copies of papers I read before were not complete, So I almost got sucked into the usual read just a snipit and run with it.

After I linked to the complete so called suicide note/ manifesto. I got a rude awakening. I would suggest all read the note before commenting.

I can't be sure Mr. Stack wrote this note, but if he did he is saying many things I hear on here everyday. Mr. stack it seems to me was a lost soul who basically got tired of waiting for the sheep to wake up.

How many of us have been there?

They called his note rambling.... I read the whole thing and though he sounded angry, he didn't seem to ramble to me.

I am making these comments though I am still disecting the info coming in.

Why?

Because I too made the mistake of jumping on the he was a nut band wagon.

Was he a nut job?

I don't know, but lets discuss it. Here was a man who was tired of the madness and chose a path of action, rightly or wrongly he stood up.

Before you answer, he was a nut job, I want to say I can't count the times on this site alone. That doesn't count the other sites I attended. People have stood up and said it is time to revolt or we should do something. Or when are the sheep going to wake up.

Hell, I said it myself.

In his note he mentions the noble princibles of the founding fathers. We all qoute them and praise them.

How many times have we spouted the words of the founders?
Did we really mean it? It guess he did.

I know I will hear it was wrong for him to attack the IRS building.

Was it?

Just a few weeks ago there was a big argument on what infrastructures were okay to attack.

Were we just playing militia?

I wonder, I not saying we should attack the government, but I am saying we should or we should help turn this attack into what it really was.

A tired fed up working man who felt completely abandoned by his government.

Isn't that how many of our fellow countrymen feel. We should be saying Hey don't go off on your own, join us and change the country.

Mr. stack went on to explain how he felt betrayed by the system. How he was left to swing alone against the massive weight of the US Government.

I know of many people, who have had to stand alone against the IRS.

Was that different some how?


So They may say it is wrong, but I add the name Joseph Andrew Stack to the list of Patriots, who have died or been imprisoned for their beliefs. He should be remembered with Vicki Weaver and Randy Weaver and all the Davidians and the list could go on for pages.

If we could get our government back out of the hand of the tyrannts this would never happen...

We must decide.

Do we fall for the inevitable Government Media BS?

We must stand and be counted, we may not use the same tactics, but no more silence...

So once again I apologize to the Stack family. He was not a nut job....

He was a Patriot

Maybe he could have done it in a "non-violent" manner. But at least he did something.

I like so many are torn about this. I hate to see any innocents hurt. but it is impossible to have a completely bloodless revolt.

Don't get me wrong, we could pledge never to hurt anyone and a million people could march in the streets. Nothing would change. up to a few days ago I held out hope it could.

After watching the Tea Party being co-opted and the media frenzy to divide the people into the same old two partys. I think it will not change.

Let's say a lot of people took to the streets.

Do you really think the Government would not use force against them?

You damn well know they would.

Was Joseph Stack right that Violence will be the only answer...

Today I wonder, I really wonder.

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How the enemy spins any event doesn't mean the event was right or wrong.

Its the freaking enemy what do you expect them to say?

They want to do whatever it takes to get more power, control more people, destroy any resistance and make more people cower and do nothing.

The enemy says this was "terrorism", "misguided", "not what a patriot would do". Why do we listen to their propaganda? Soon anyone who doesn't turn their guns in will be a terrorist, misguided or a criminal.

If this is terrorism is the government planning on dropping a couple 1000lb bombs on his neighborhood just like Iraq?

Glenn Beck is the enemy. Never do what the enemy wants you to do. Because he wants you to do it.

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! - Goldwater

Violence is neither good nor bad. A lot of the people who say violence is wrong have no problems with us killing Nazis or dropping 2 nukes on Japan.

The only thing a tyrant understands and respects is violence.

The British government didn't get it till there were dead Redcoats either.

How many people over the years have been murdered, set up or ruined by just the IRS??? How about the hundreds of other rougue JBT agencies out there killing at will? How many innocent Americans have died at the governments hands?

Anyone remember Gordon Kahl? The bastards at the IRS openly admit he was selected for termination because he talked too much. Not for buying guns, forming an army, resisting the government but for trying to educate people on the fraud of the IRS, Federal Reserve BS and the POS dollar bills we call money which are absolutely worthless.

The IRS destroys anyone who speaks against it but can't do something so simple as to show the law requiring us to file.

You remember you are taxed at 60%. Feudal surfs were only taxed 25%.

They sure don't weep over innocent people they murder and I could care less about them.



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Look closely at that complex of buildings. You have Echelon (Nazi Surveillance Agency), FBI, IRS and probably the Always Tyrannical Fagots.

To be crudely blunt...couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people and probably should happen to every one of them. I have zero sympathy for a bunch of baby burning bastards.


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This isn't a crying rag where all the tears will be wrung out any time soon. Everyone will have an opinion, and decide which side was hurt--left or right--most by Stack's actions.

But, it is easy to understand his level of frustration. There are tens of thousands of families living on the streets of this country today as a result of laws which only benefit the rich. And, if many of these people had a plane and knew where an IRS or other fed building was, they might do the same thing. They just don't have the same resources as Stack did.

And, there are hundreds of thousands of little or no-income families who have had to pack up what material goods they had left after garage sales, or auctions, and are now living with relatives. They might be thinking along the same lines, too.

Bush and Obama have been catalysts to create a generation of people who once knew what it was to live the "American Dream," but lost it all because unjust laws took it from them and the elected tyrants rewarded the corrupt business people.

There is no denying that this number grows each month, and frustrations increase.

The more laws, the less freedom.
The less freedom, the more frustrated citizens.
The more frustrated citizens, the more violent acts.
The more violent acts, the more laws they make
The more laws...

....and it starts all over again.

Somewhat related to this....I read an article this week where a commentator was pondering where liberals (the socialist kind) come from. He believed that they were conceived and hatched at state universities...government-run schools. He suggested that if we ever wanted to get people to start thinking wisely again, we would have to dismantle the higher-education system.

Personally, I believe that the entire government propaganda system, from pre-kindergarten to post-graduate school needs to be halted and replaced.

But, just like the cycle of frustration, violence, and new laws, it's just going to get worse. No one is going to stop the socialist teachers, any more than newly elected Congressmen are going to stop making new laws that take away our freedoms.

Greed. Let's face it. It's here for awhile. Without a change of the heart (and that only comes through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ), it's just going to grow and grow. Stack's actions might have scared some people, but after a few days of sedatives, they will be doing the same old stuff they did before.


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Wow You guy's,well where do we go from here,what do you think happens next. I for one wish we could all cash out and move to one state and build the great wall of Patriotism. Maybe TEXAS?


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I Was gonna make this it's own thread, but it won't let me for whatever reason...

Where do we go from here?

Well one could "keep the ball rolling" but I don't see anyone wanting to run out and get shot first (including me) SO...
Assuming TPTB use this as an excuse to "crack down" on our types (if they can't keep the true nature of why he did it out of the spotlight, they always prefer to hide when they lose), then we must be ready to their attacks.

What probably will happen will be do to their increased attention, they will be stupid enough to pull a patriot over...the patriot WILL be armed. Armed to the teeth. WE ARE armed to the teeth. YOU should be armed to the teeth. At all times. This means more than pistols if you have room. Now we have a situation which quickly escalates because he phones his fireteam in. The fireteam gets involved...fireteam calls up allies...and so on. Or they try screwing with someone in their home, wherever, whenever. Be ready.

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The plane is described as onlookers as a “Piper Cherokee.” Experts are trying to determine how such as small plane could hold enough fuel to cause this big of an explosion. A witness saw the blue and white plane, flying very low, barely skimming the road going extremely fast, as though it were on full blast. He said it hit right dead center of where the huge gaping hole is now. He said the explosion was maybe 50 feet wide.
anyone else notice how witnesses can't get the story straight on what plane hit the building?


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This is the False Flag to kick off the attack on Militia's and Patriot's in general.We must end all infighting now and prepare for a dramatic increase in security measure's meant to further restrict our personal freedom's.

Stand together or fall alone!........

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Witness' say the impact felt like an earthquake from inside the building next door(across a large parking lot).The small plane weights less than a standard truck.Nearly every window was blown out.

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One site mentions a Piper Cherokee at 1,414 lbs and can take off with a gross weight of 2,550 lb

A 2008 Chevy 2500 series 4x4 with Durmax deisel weighs in at 5,554 lb

Walfred brings up a good point. Do the math that's 3000 lbs lighter than a truck


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This and other similar events was predicted several years ago by Liz Michael when she wrote..."It All Becomes Too Much". She warned the government then, that "IT" would not be started by some militia group. "It" would begin when average, ordinary citizens simply reached their breaking point, refused to take it anymore and go off on their oppressors. She predicted the typical government reaction would be more repressive measures which will lead to more people refusing to comply, being pushed into a corner and taking matters into their own hands.


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The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
+1 Probably what really happened. I have met a few people put through the wringer by the IRS, and it is an entirely different story when someone really considers themselves innocently persecuted vs someone who knew they were cheating something.

That whole set of codes and rules over "private contractors" is one which can really bite people if they don't play slick or get into the wrong situation. I am seeing people using that to skate minimum wage laws now, not to mention things like disability and unemployment insurance. I don't know what is the right answer to it though, except that people who have been persecuted by the IRS tend to carry bitterness over it forever, especially when they see others fairly openly getting away with what they were caught doing.

That said, I would not join in on any hatred or jealousy of the Catholic Church just because of their accumulated wealth. I mean, it is very few tax dodgers I ever met who were running a homeless shelter or soup kitchen with the money they saved from not paying taxes who got persecuted by the IRS.


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Stack was a martyr but the problem is we have had way too many of those.

Think we can come up with something better than waiting for that busted door at four in the morning? Or just letting them continue unopposed politcally?

Why can't the beliefs we have in Freedom go on the political offensive? Why can't we be united in spreading Freedom wherever we can?

Do we really have to wait until another snapped American is used as an excuse for the government to wage open warfare against us-instead of this pseudo-lawfare crap?


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This is the False Flag to kick off the attack on Militia's and Patriot's in general.We must end all infighting now and prepare for a dramatic increase in security measure's meant to further restrict our personal freedom's.

Stand together or fall alone!........
Did you read his farewell letter? I don't want to call it a manifesto, because it associates him with the Unabomber.

Please read his farewell letter again, and remember that it took 27 drafts to get it the way he wanted to convey it.

It may indeed turn out that Stack did not actually fly the plane into the building, but I believe that many of the sentiments expressed in his letter can be applied to millions of Americans, including me, and therefore I feel that his expression of persecution by the system is genuine.

In this surveillance-state however, his situation may have been monitored and even manipulated.

If this was a PSYOP, it is an epic FAIL in terms of tarnishing the freedom movement.

False rumors that Stack contributed to RP's Campaign are going viral, but this will only help Ron Paul to publicize the underlying issues.

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Compare this to the OKC Bombing, and you will observe that no child-care center was targeted. The intended target was the IRS, and not too many people, liberals included, will show too much compassion for a few dead agents.

My gut tells me that he acted alone, and he chose his target judiciously.

Time will tell...


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I do believe though that this was probably just Mr. Stack fed up with the IRS.

Can you blame him...

But the JBT, and the corp media and Socialist News Mr Socialist News Bloviating Club. Will use it to scar the Tea Party or anyone who uses any of the terms that Mr. Stack used.

Such as quoting the founders. Saying you belive in the Constitution.

Seems that many of our beliefs were written in the letter.

Look for HS to bring back their domestic terrorist letter again.

What do we do. Blog everywhere. Say how the governments lack of compassion has pushed many Americans to the breaking point. Let Congress know the fact that they quit listening to the people is driving a large portion of the population to believe that the states should leave the uion or at least reduce the control of the federal government.
We should turn every conversation in every blog whether left or right to the fact that the governmnet is not working. The left will agree because their socialist agenda was not acheived. The right will agree because the left is in charge.
They wish to stop the left and return to there NeoCon agenda.
We must use both sides and reach our goal of a small decentralized federal governmnent, whos only jobs are to defend the Constitution and the borders. and enforce the bill of rights.

States rights is the answer. Or total dismantling of the Federal system.

Will it work...

doubtful, but if we bombard them with info we shall reduce their ability to function.

Our goal is to stop them for now, and remove all of them. By ballot hopefully. If not by ballot as Malcom X said by any means necessary.


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the damage as well as the FACT the he was involved with Hughes Aircraft.A top secret gov. contractor.That give Mr.Stack a history with the U.S. intel community.And you know what that means!......FALSE FLAG.

He just couldn't be a crop dust farmboy that lost his job.He had to be a High security level pilot.As for the letter.It was not hand written.Not that they wouldn't claim it was his own hand writing even if a monkey wrote it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-did-work-for

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the damage as well as the FACT the he was involved with Hughes Aircraft.A top secret gov. contractor.That give Mr.Stack a history with the U.S. intel community.And you know what that means!......FALSE FLAG.

He just couldn't be a crop dust farmboy that lost his job.He had to be a High security level pilot.As for the letter.It was not hand written.Not that they wouldn't claim it was his own hand writing even if a monkey wrote it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-did-work-for
I disagree. I read the guy's manifesto and look at the evidence and see it as what is plainly is: A pissed off guy decided to make a big point by going out with a bang. He was a little (ok a lot) smarter than average so used more skill and imagination than the types who would just walk in the front door with a drum fed AK and bag full of spare mags. I put it on par with that guy who armored up a bulldozer somewhere in Colorado a few years back and started smashing homes of city officials.


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That's a suicide note?No rambling nonsense!No tearful emotion or passion,suicide based in both.No, apology to his family for the pain he is about to cause them.If it looks like an intel analyst and his supervisor prove read the final draft.That's because they did.BUSTED FED'S...AGAIN

I'm beginnig to think if these half ass dumptruck planners and operatives are the best they have to offer.We my not have such a hard time after all.We may just blow right through them.

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I Don’t Buy the Official Story of Joe Stack

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Friday, February 19, 2010

I think the ”official story” is fishy. Folks who buy in to ”official stories” hook, line, and sinker as fed to them by the mainstream media (which includes Fox) will no doubt have no problem accepting what they are hearing regarding this latest incident.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/i-dont-buy-the-official-story-of-joe-stack.html


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