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Militia Raids Part Of Government Effort to Provoke Violence, Purge Dissent #151072
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Militia Raids Part Of Government Effort to Provoke Violence, Purge Dissent


Steve Watson & Paul Watson
Prisonplanet.com
Monday, March 29th, 2010


News of a bust on nine members of a militia group in Detroit who were planning to “levy war” against the United States and “oppose by force” the nation’s government, should be treated with extreme suspicion, given that every major terror bust in the U.S. in recent years has been contrived.

According to an indictment (PDF) unsealed this morning in U.S. District Court in Detroit, eight men and one woman were training in modern combat techniques for a prophesized battle with the anti-Christ.

The indictment described the nine as gearing up to use bombs and other weapons to kill local, state, and federal law enforcement officials in an effort to act as a “catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government.”

The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force carried out a series of raids on group members in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio over the weekend.

Known as the “Hutaree” militia, each of the nine faces three to five charges, including sedition, attempts to use weapons of mass destruction, teaching/demonstrating use of explosive materials and two counts of carrying weapons in relation to a crime of violence.

Seven of the defendants appeared in court this morning and were ordered held without bond until Wednesday.

“This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society,” FBI special agent Andrew Arena told The Detroit News.

“The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States.” Arena added.

Comments made by a well known former militia leader indicate that the Hutaree were regarded by other militia outfits as radical and reckless “low-hanging fruits”.

Mike Vanderboegh, who has close connections with the militia movement in Michigan and all over the country, was critical of the Hutaree, saying that they “have indicated in the past that, much like John Brown, they WANTED to start a civil war, which is why no responsible militia group in Michigan was willing to ally with them.”

Vanderboegh described the group as “a perfect target” for the feds, adding that the raids could have provoked a nationwide uprising if they had turned violent.

As we highlighted earlier this month, following the highly suspicious Pentagon shooting, recent history proves that domestic terror, far from being a militia plot or an “extremist fringe” threat, is a government specialty.

Just a brief reprisal of the last handful of major terror cases in the United States instantly reminds us that in every single instance the plot was artificially engineered by the federal government and then later seized upon, with the enthusiastic support of the corporate media, as justification for more funding, more power, and more authority to denounce critics of the war on terror and dissent against the state in general.

From ensuring known extremist Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, now known as the underwear bomber, was able to board Flight 253 in Amsterdam last December, to allowing Fort Hood shooter Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan to remain on a U.S. Army base, and even to participate in Homeland Security exercises, the actions of Federal authorities have provoked often tragic newsmaking incidents.

Dozens of terror busts and stings since 9/11 have been orchestrated by handlers aiding the accused terrorists at every turn. We have never come across a major case where the terrorists involved in a plot were not being prodded by the FBI and federal informants, or where clear prior knowledge and forewarning was not evident.

Lawyers in a case relating to the much vaunted 2007 terror plot to attack Fort Dix and kill “as many soldiers as possible” concluded that FBI informants were the key figures behind the operation and that the accused, six foreign-born Muslims, were merely bungling patsies.

Similarly, the “Toronto 18″ terrorists turned out to be “a bunch of incompetent guys who were primarily misled by a delusional megalomaniac”. The explosive fertilizer material the terrorist cell apparently planned to use was in fact purchased by an informant working for the RCMP who had radicalized the group.

In the media-lauded Miami terror case in 2007, the supposed ringleader Narseal “Prince Marina” Batiste “had heard of Al-Qaeda, but wasn’t sure what it stood for. The FBI instigators made Batiste swear loyalty to al-Qaida; then had him call on his local buddies to form an ‘Islamic army’ in Miami. None had military training. Some could barely read. But Batiste assured the group in the midst of its collective marijuana buzz of greatness ahead,” wrote Saul Landau.

These were the men who comedian John Stewart referred to as “seven dipshits in a warehouse” after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had ludicrously told the press that the group of semi-retarded gang-bangers had planned to “wage a ground war against America”.

One of the more recent examples was the case of the so-called Muslim terrorists busted in New York, who supposedly wanted to blow up synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down military airplanes flying out of the New York Air National Guard base. The men were provided with fake explosives and inactive missiles by an FBI informant, reported the Christian Science Monitor. Two of the ringleaders of the “deadly” plot which was endlessly hyped by the media turned out to be semi-retarded potheads, exactly as we had predicted would be the case due to the innumerable past cases with the exact same modus operandi.

Then we have the most deadly and contrived “christian-patriot” terror plot – the OKC bombing of 1995. While the SPLC, the ADL and similar organizations are happy to play the Timothy McVeigh card over and over again, to back up the notion that hate-filled right wing extremists are taking over the country, they are less enthusiastic to mention the fact that McVeigh planned his deadly assault on the Alfred P. Murrah building under the intimate direction of a high-level FBI official. This according to McVeigh’s co-conspirator Terry Nichols, a claim voluminously backed up by a plethora of evidence that has been presented in court on several occasions.

Time and time again it is revealed that the only prominent people who call for violence in the patriot movement turn out to be working for the feds.

Radio talk show host and racist firebrand Hal Turner recently admitted in federal court that he worked for the FBI as a “National Security Intelligence” asset. “Turner also claims the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements on his radio show, but the newspaper also found many federal officials were concerned that his audience might follow up on his violence rhetoric,” the Associated Press reported in November, 2009.

Turner’s code name was “Valhalla” and “he received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on such groups as the Aryan Nations and the white supremacist National Alliance.

The FBI, under its long-running COINTELPRO, subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups.

In light of all these cases, and the ongoing effort to re-direct the focus of the war on terror away from foreign muslim terrorists to “home grown” American “extremists”, the question must be explored – were the FBI actively involved in radicalizing the “Hutaree” militia? Were any of the militia members FBI informants?


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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News of a bust on nine members of a militia group in Detroit who were planning to “levy war” against the United States and “oppose by force” the nation’s government, should be treated with extreme suspicion, given that every major terror bust in the U.S. in recent years has been contrived.
Exactly. And meanwhile, no one in the government is calling Major Hasan a terrorist.

What's wrong with this picture?

Onward and upward,
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Raid on Hutaree puzzles Adrian

Local critic of feds says group unheard of
George Hunter and Mike Martindale / The Detroit News

Adrian -- This small town in rural southeastern Michigan is known mostly for Adrian College and corn farms, but it's no stranger to controversial anti-government movements.

The raid of an alleged Christian extremist group, Hutaree, has shocked residents of the small community of about 22,500 residents.

"I don't know what they were doing, but they apparently hadn't caused any trouble here that anyone knew of," said Peter Hayes of Hayes Insurance Agency in downtown Adrian.

"Frankly, it seemed like a lot of overkill to me this weekend," Hayes said about the raid. "Cars, trucks, a helicopter -- why, they had more people out there than there was in church Sunday."

Adrian, the Lenawee County seat, is the home base of the Rev. Rick Strawcutter, whose low-power radio station "Radio Free Lenawee" garnered attention for broadcasts stridently denouncing the federal government before it was shut down by the FCC in 2001 because it hadn't obtained the proper broadcast license.

Strawcutter, 59, also produced a widely distributed anti-government video, "America in Peril," which was taped inside his church in 1993.

He said he has never heard of the Lenawee County-based Hutaree militia group, which claims to be gearing for a battle with the Antichrist.

"I've been in Lenawee County for 34 years, and I thought I knew everything that moved here, but I've never heard of them," Strawcutter said. "The whole thing sounds kooky and weird."

He added: "I'm not affiliated with any militia group."

However, the "America in Peril" video features Mark Koernke of Dexter, one of the leading spokesmen of the militia movement.

Strawcutter has said he doesn't believe everything in the video. Still, he has long been a critic of the federal government and continues to spread that message. Last week, he posted a YouTube video in which he lambasted Washington, D.C., politicians.

"These people are so drunk with power," he said. "They're pulling off a dictatorship ... maybe this is the last stop, and there'll be no more elections."

Strawcutter insisted he has never advocated violence. "I'm not sure what my message is; it's the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ," he said.

He continues to preach at his Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in Adrian. He also uses the Internet to market his company, "Secrets of Eden," which sells natural health products.

ghunter@detnews.com (313) 222-2134


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Final Hutaree Suspect in Court Today


ADRIAN, Mich. (WXYZ) - The final suspect in the Hutaree case will be arraigned in federal court early Tuesday afternoon.

The arrest of Josh Stone, son of the group's leader David Stone, came after a standoff in North Adams Village, about 30 miles from the site of Saturday's raid in Adrian. The younger Stone has been on the run since the raid.

Agents say Stone was hiding in a home with 5 other adults and a toddler. Agents say the people inside were all there willingly and were not being held hostage. Stone was coaxed out when agents played messages from the Stone family over a loudspeaker system.

The five other people in the house were also taken into custody. It is not clear what connection, if any, they have to the Hutaree organization. It is also not yet clear if they will face any charges in the case.

Several members of Hutaree, a religious militia group based out of Lenawee County, are facing federal charges that include conspiracy and attempting to use weapons of mass destruction.

Nine people have been charged with a list of federal crimes. Seven of the suspects appeared in court Monday morning to be indicted.

Arrests were made over the weekend after the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force took part in raids around Adrian that may be connected to a religious militia group known as "Hutaree."

In a federal indictment, the government says the group is an anti-government, extremist organization that planned war with the United States. It is also alleged that the group wanted to kill members of law enforcement.

Federal charges include Seditious Conspiracy, Attempt to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction, Teaching/Demonstrating Use of Explosive Materials and two counts of Carrying, Using and Posessing a Firearm During and in Relation to a Crime of Violence.

The nine people named in the indictment are as follows:
David Brian Stone, 45
Tina Stone, 44
Joshua Matthew Stone, 21
David Brian Stone, Jr., 19
Joshua Clough, 28
Michael Meeks, 40
Thomas Piatek, 46
Kristopher Sickles, 27
Jacob Ward, 33

The leader of the group is David Stone Sr., and is known by group members as "Captain Hutaree."

His ex-wife, Donna Stone, talked with Action News about Stone.

"He's got a temper. He can get radical. He wants things done his way," Donna Stone told Action News.

Investigators say group members have been meeting regularly to conduct military-style training in order to prepare for war with the government, law enforcement and federal workers.

Brittany Bryant, the woman who is engaged to David Stone Jr. - son of the group's leader, says the group isn't dangerous.

"I don't think they're dangerous. If they wanted to do something they would have already done something," says Brittany Bryant.

The FBI conducted multiple raids throughout Saturday and into Sunday, with one of them centered on a property where known members of the militia live.

Helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of the night Saturday, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area, including in Sand Creek and Clayton in Lenawee County. Witnesses tell Action News that it was like a small army had descended on the area.

A command center, including two satellite trucks and a radio tower, had been set up at the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Department in Ann Arbor. It has since been dismantled.

Sunday, authorities also blocked off roads in Dover Township, while they gathered evidence from a home.

The group's web site shows training videos of men wearing camouflage, carrying rifles, and maneuvering through rough terrain. The site also includes information similar to a manifesto, that says members need to be ready for the Anti-Christ and that Jesus wants members to be ready to defend themselves with the sword.

Authorities are expected to release more information about the investigation early this week.

An official with FBI has also said two people were arrested Saturday in Ohio, and one person was arrested in Illinois.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The Manufactured Menace from Michigan -- Take Two


"That's it, baby -- strut! The camera loves you!" In a familiar bit of Homeland Security Theater, a law enforcement officer, his arms decorated with gangbanger-style tattoos, swaggers through a search of alleged Hutaree militia member Thomas Piatek's home in Hammond, Indiana.


When the stranger materialized a few years ago, nobody really knew much about him. He seemed like a suitably sympathetic figure and quickly ingratiated himself by offering whatever help he could. No task was too menial for him, and he had a way of finding just what the group needed right when it was required.


Most importantly, he seemed to share the group's antipathy toward the government. If anything, he was just a bit more emphatic than the rest in denouncing official corruption and endorsing violent "direct action" against the state. He seemed eager to shepherd the group in a more militant direction, eagerly out-bidding every expression of outrage and hostility. One of his favorite recurring themes was the idea that a criminal state could only be fought through the use of criminal means.


When the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) staged an armed raid to arrest several members of the group, the helpful stranger was nowhere to be found. He did leave a parting gift, however, in the form of detailed allegations recorded in a federal indictment alleging that the group he had infiltrated on behalf of the JTTF was involved in extensive criminal activity -- most of which was either suggested or directly facilitated by him -- and an ambitious plot to wage war against the United States Government.

READ the rest of the story and view the photos here...

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/04/manufactured-menace-from-michigan-take.html


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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How to convict any gun owner:

If you have a basement with a steel door, then it counts as a bunker.

Pool cleaning supplies, ordinary household chemicals, a chemistry set, PVC pipe
or some plumbing supplies lying around are "bomb-making materials".

Fireworks, black powder, and percussion caps are explosives.

More than a single box of ammunition is "thousands of rounds" or a cache. More
than two guns is an "arsenal".

Owning camouflage makes you a member of a "militia".

Bitching about taxes, Democrats, welfare, or government in general makes you an
anti-government terrorist.

Any rifle with a scope is a "high-powered, long-range sniper rifle".

Any rifle with a detachable magazine is a "high-powered military assault rifle",
regardless of caliber or design.

Any shotgun is "sawed off".

Any inert artillery shells, spent M72 LAW tubes, brass from a 5" gun,
novelty/practice grenades, or inert demonstration models of RPG rounds are
presumed to be live, functional, and capable of obliterating whole schools full
of children.

If it has a fence and a shed in the backyard, it's a compound.

If you own a Confederate flag or any WWII literature, you're a white
supremacist.

If you went to a gun class once or participate in reenactments, you were
involved in "paramilitary training". In fact, the VPC, Brady Bunch, Handgun
Control Inc., etc. once tried getting all reenactments (specifically
Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, and WWII) banned because they served as a
means of training large numbers of people for taking over the government back in
1992.

If you own Unintended Consequences, Enemies Foreign and Domestic, 1984, Animal
Farm, Atlas Shrugged, or Brave New World, you're in possession of
"anti-government/hate literature". They'll have a field day over the Anarchist
Cookbook.

And God help you if you own the US Army survival manual, or the improvised
munitions handbook, etc.

If you have a dog, it's a pitbull and is extremely vicious and trained to kill,
regardless of breed and temperament.

If you have any friends, they're a "domestic terrorist network".

If you don't have friends, then you're a dangerous loner who has a grudge
against everyone.

If you reload, you're either manufacturing explosives or building
armor-piercing, heat-seeking, baby-killing ammunition designed only to kill kill
kill. As opposed to other bullets, which just want a hug.

If you have aspirin, tylenol, Flintstone's vitamins, or a prescription, you're
in possession of drugs.

If you have one or more parts kits, a machine/tool shop, or any combination
thereof, you're manufacturing machine guns. Whether or not any machine guns are
actually present.

If you have maps of your home town, D.C., maps or pamphlets for landmarks, or
basically any map available at any gas station, those are maps of your targets
and get-away routes. Nevermind that they're from a vacation you took to those
locations ten years ago.

If you have a copy of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of
Independence, you're a dangerous right-wing seperatist.

If you own a Bible and/or homeschool your children, you're a religious extremist
and a child abuser.

If you have pictures of your infant taking a bath or playing in the sprinkler
naked, you're in possession of child pornography.

Listen to rock and roll, heavy metal, or country music? Play Doom, Grand Theft
Auto, or Call of Duty? Expect to hear about your violent background and
hate-filled entertainment.

If you own a ski mask or balaclava, then you're DEFINITELY up to something
eeeeevil, 'cause only bad guys wear ski masks or balaclavas (unless you're a
SWAT/ATF ninja). Who cares if it gets 20 below and you're outside a lot?

Own programming books? You're probably an evil hacker.

Got some gas cans, wine bottles, or the aforementioned fireworks? You're an
arsonist too.

If your guns aren't scary enough on their own, they'll cut the orange tips off
your airsoft guns and stick those on display too.

People will be told exactly how far away your house or apartment was from the
nearest school or university, with the implication that you could have gone nuts
and begun slaughtering helpless students at any moment.

If you own body armor, that's proof that you intended to do something bad,
because only the police would shoot at you.

It will always be heavily implied, if not outright stated, that you are mentally
unstable based solely on the number or type of firearms you own.


See how easy this is? I could go through any gun owner's house and within twenty
minutes have him tried and convicted as the next Unabomber.

Whether or not they kill you, your family, and your dog when they kick in your
door at three in the morning, throw blinding and deafening explosives at you,
and point machine guns in your face, expect to have all of your worldly
possessions put on display on tables in your front yard and for the media to try
and convict you before you even reach the police station.


On equipment: You get what you inspect, not what you expect.
On training: Our drills are bloodless battles so that our battles are bloody drills.
On tactics: Cheating just means you're serious about winning.
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How to convict any gun owner:

If you have a basement with a steel door, then it counts as a bunker.

Pool cleaning supplies, ordinary household chemicals, a chemistry set, PVC pipe
or some plumbing supplies lying around are "bomb-making materials".

Fireworks, black powder, and percussion caps are explosives.

More than a single box of ammunition is "thousands of rounds" or a cache. More
than two guns is an "arsenal".

Owning camouflage makes you a member of a "militia".

Bitching about taxes, Democrats, welfare, or government in general makes you an
anti-government terrorist.

Any rifle with a scope is a "high-powered, long-range sniper rifle".

Any rifle with a detachable magazine is a "high-powered military assault rifle",
regardless of caliber or design.

Any shotgun is "sawed off".

Any inert artillery shells, spent M72 LAW tubes, brass from a 5" gun,
novelty/practice grenades, or inert demonstration models of RPG rounds are
presumed to be live, functional, and capable of obliterating whole schools full
of children.

If it has a fence and a shed in the backyard, it's a compound.

If you own a Confederate flag or any WWII literature, you're a white
supremacist.

If you went to a gun class once or participate in reenactments, you were
involved in "paramilitary training". In fact, the VPC, Brady Bunch, Handgun
Control Inc., etc. once tried getting all reenactments (specifically
Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, and WWII) banned because they served as a
means of training large numbers of people for taking over the government back in
1992.

If you own Unintended Consequences, Enemies Foreign and Domestic, 1984, Animal
Farm, Atlas Shrugged, or Brave New World, you're in possession of
"anti-government/hate literature". They'll have a field day over the Anarchist
Cookbook.

And God help you if you own the US Army survival manual, or the improvised
munitions handbook, etc.

If you have a dog, it's a pitbull and is extremely vicious and trained to kill,
regardless of breed and temperament.

If you have any friends, they're a "domestic terrorist network".

If you don't have friends, then you're a dangerous loner who has a grudge
against everyone.

If you reload, you're either manufacturing explosives or building
armor-piercing, heat-seeking, baby-killing ammunition designed only to kill kill
kill. As opposed to other bullets, which just want a hug.

If you have aspirin, tylenol, Flintstone's vitamins, or a prescription, you're
in possession of drugs.

If you have one or more parts kits, a machine/tool shop, or any combination
thereof, you're manufacturing machine guns. Whether or not any machine guns are
actually present.

If you have maps of your home town, D.C., maps or pamphlets for landmarks, or
basically any map available at any gas station, those are maps of your targets
and get-away routes. Nevermind that they're from a vacation you took to those
locations ten years ago.

If you have a copy of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of
Independence, you're a dangerous right-wing seperatist.

If you own a Bible and/or homeschool your children, you're a religious extremist
and a child abuser.

If you have pictures of your infant taking a bath or playing in the sprinkler
naked, you're in possession of child pornography.

Listen to rock and roll, heavy metal, or country music? Play Doom, Grand Theft
Auto, or Call of Duty? Expect to hear about your violent background and
hate-filled entertainment.

If you own a ski mask or balaclava, then you're DEFINITELY up to something
eeeeevil, 'cause only bad guys wear ski masks or balaclavas (unless you're a
SWAT/ATF ninja). Who cares if it gets 20 below and you're outside a lot?

Own programming books? You're probably an evil hacker.

Got some gas cans, wine bottles, or the aforementioned fireworks? You're an
arsonist too.

If your guns aren't scary enough on their own, they'll cut the orange tips off
your airsoft guns and stick those on display too.

People will be told exactly how far away your house or apartment was from the
nearest school or university, with the implication that you could have gone nuts
and begun slaughtering helpless students at any moment.

If you own body armor, that's proof that you intended to do something bad,
because only the police would shoot at you.

It will always be heavily implied, if not outright stated, that you are mentally
unstable based solely on the number or type of firearms you own.


See how easy this is? I could go through any gun owner's house and within twenty
minutes have him tried and convicted as the next Unabomber.

Whether or not they kill you, your family, and your dog when they kick in your
door at three in the morning, throw blinding and deafening explosives at you,
and point machine guns in your face, expect to have all of your worldly
possessions put on display on tables in your front yard and for the media to try
and convict you before you even reach the police station.
Ain't this the truth,

Sad thing is we all live on a compound in our bunkers, cleaning our arsenals of assault and sniper rifles,

while our abused children play with our bomb making materials over by the explosives under the shelves with our anti government/hate literature.

While we spew our hate to our domestic terrorist network over the CB because we are basically a lone nut who hates everyone,

all the while we sit and pet our Pitbull dogs, under the racist flag that hangs on the wall next to the child porn of our kids first birthday,

and swallowing our loads of drugs from our secret walgreens supplier. laugh

WARNING: THIS POST WAS WRITTEN FROM THE BUNKER OF GREYWOLF.


I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.

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It's hypocrisy, because these people actually have all the bad things, all the drugs and pitbulls, all that stuff, and say that we are bad when none of us are.

So basicly they are everything they accuse us of.


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If you have a bug out bag, you we're planning to escape law enforcement.

If you have nothing illegal in your house, the FBI will find bombs in your house.

If you think powerful people might come together and make a plan, you're a conspiracy theorist. If you think JFK might have been killed by the government, you're a conspiracy nutjob.

Shoot at "law enforcement targets" and you are deffinately planning on shooting someone.


You could just keep adding to this list.


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You know before this latest raid and the J4P thing we were all talking about what it will take and where are the lines drawn. I'm not here to start a fight or rabble rouse,I came here to find fellowship with you guys. What is happening to the movement? Is there any lines ? If Waco happend today would we rally, after we saw what the FEDCOATS really did to them and to Weaver. Or are we all really on our own, Will we Act if they come down on the tea parties or just point fingers. I need to know, I am ready to back up this movement with my life, MY LIFE thats worth something to me. I just found out I'm gona be a Grand Pa and had to look at myself closely,and what I'm doing and prepering for. I've had peoples backs when it counts,and been deserted when my ass was on the line! Now are we going to stick together or not! What about the OATH, I would rather DIE fighting for what I beleave in than watch our country go down the socialist shitter without a fight! MY GOD SEMPER FI, I know what that means! ALWAYS FAITHFULL


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Every time this happens we will wait to see If David Koresh is really a pedofile, Randy Weaver is really a loony tune white supremasist, J4P really raped his daughter and had a 40mm launcher, Hutaree were set up or real bad guys, Did they have a legitimate reason for messing with strat for providing a place for people to learn marksmanship, and so on and so on. I wonder how long it will take the feds to get there made for prime time TV movies on the latest events and further demonise these people. I think we will know when every peaceful attempt has been exhausted.

If waco happened again today would you rally?
Even if it appeared you were rallying for a child raping zealot.

Did you know what was happening in waco while it was going down?

They have already crossed every line and will cross more. I will not take a microchip or national workers or health card. Thats what would make me think there is no more peaceful solution.

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Originally posted by Sisu:
Every time this happens we will wait to see If David Koresh is really a pedofile, Randy Weaver is really a loony tune white supremasist, J4P really raped his daughter and had a 40mm launcher, Hutaree were set up or real bad guys, Did they have a legitimate reason for messing with strat for providing a place for people to learn marksmanship, and so on and so on. I wonder how long it will take the feds to get there made for prime time TV movies on the latest events and further demonise these people. I think we will know when every peaceful attempt has been exhausted.

If waco happened again today would you rally?
Even if it appeared you were rallying for a child raping zealot.

Did you know what was happening in waco while it was going down?

They have already crossed every line and will cross more. I will not take a microchip or national workers or health card. Thats what would make me think there is no more peaceful solution.

S
So the answer is, we are on our own!


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Not necessarily. I'm not going to drive to Texas to go protect someones community and family when I need to stay and protect my own. The people in Wako were not only betrayed by their federal government but also by their state, county, and city law enforcement, as well as their local media and community! And I'm not sure what sort of response is necessary, We are not on our own. If someone gets froggy should that spark ignite me or you? I'm not waiting for someone to jump so I can follow them. I am fighting by preparing and educating myself and others and protesting to the best of my ability and as I see fit as a free man. I am still free to chose if and where I will work, where I will live, and what I do with the remaining FRNs I have after i am accosted by Uncle Sam. We are in this together whether we like it or not!

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Go read the dictatorship thread.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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D308cat yes the bs sucks,but don't let it get to you.If you give up now all you've done was done in vain.
Be constructive never give up.
Hang up flyers looking for like minded people.Ya you'll have to deal with opposition but thats part of the game.
Go target shooting/hone your skills/go for foriging hikes.
Listen to the intelligance report with Mark Korenke.He's always open to helping patriots get connected with each other.Point you in the right direction.
Congadulations on the new little one.
And No, no one is on there OWN.


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Go read the dictatorship thread.
I read it. I read it again on your advice. I am angry. I makes me feel hopeless as well. I think it was intended to... The American people are my dad, my brothers and sisters, my mother, my friends, the guy who at the hardware store who always helps me find exactly what I need, the cute milf at the grocery store that always calls me hun and baby...

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Just read it!


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