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Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress on Ammo Purchases


DHS staying mum as members probe for explanations

Steve Watson
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Mar 19, 2013

Speaking at CPAC with Infowars and We Are Change reporter, Luke Rudkowski, Congressman Timothy Huelscamp revealed this week that the Department of Homeland Security has refused to answer questions from “multiple” members of Congress regarding its recent purchase of huge amounts of weapons and ammunition.

“They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.” Huelscamp said.

“I’ve got a list of various questions of agencies about multiple things. Far from being the most transparent administration in the world, they are the most closed and opaque.” The Congressman added.

“They refuse to let us know what is going on, so I don’t really have an answer for that. Multiple members of Congress are asking those questions.” he added.

“It comes down to during the budget process, during the appropriations process, are we willing to hold DHS’s feet to the fire?”

“We’re going to find out… I say we don’t fund them ’til we get an answer. Those type of things really challenge Americans. They are worried about this administration.” Huelscamp urged.

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The Congressman’s comments come in the wake of a demand for answers from New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance on the same subject.

“I would like a full explanation as to why that has been done and I have every confidence that the oversight committee ….should ask those questions,” said Lance, adding that he shared a belief, “that Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred.”

The DHS has purchased over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the past year – enough to wage a 20 year plus war. Earlier this month, Forbes Magazine called for a “national conversation” on the matter.

During the CPAC interview, Congressman Huelscamp also spoke briefly about why he voted twice against the National Defense Authorization Act, stating that it was because of the lack of detail regarding the provision in the bill to allow for incarceration of Americans without due process.

“I think it’s something that is so Constitutionally suspect.” Huelscamp said. “It’s one of those things, if you’re not absolutely crystal clear on a Constitutional issue like that, we shouldn’t take those chances.”

“I gather there are folks on the other side who think they covered that. I just don’t think we did a good enough job.” The Congressman added. “And based on how hard it was for Senator Paul to get an answer out of the administration, very clearly we need to make it absolutely clear that there are Constitutional protections in this country.”

The Congressman also spoke with regards to the recent and ongoing furor over the Obama administration’s intentions for using drones domestically and it’s withholding of information on it’s overseas drone program.

“One of the difficulties I have as a member of Congress is the failure of this administration to provide information on what is actually going on.” Huelscamp said.

“When we take office we sign an oath to office, but we also sign a little card that says we have access to classified military intelligence, and I’ll just tell you, this administration and prior administrations are not very clear or transparent with the folks that actually control their budget.”

“Every member of Congress should know the answers to those questions, and whether or not they can share them.” the Congressman concluded.

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Congressman Asks Big Sis to Explain Huge Ammo Purchases

“Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred”

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
March 19, 2013

New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance (R) has demanded an explanation from Secretary Janet Napolitano as to why the Department of Homeland Security is buying huge amounts of bullets.

Asked about the federal agency’s purchase of over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the past year – enough to wage a 20 year plus war – as well as thousands of armored vehicles – Lance called on Congress to get involved.

“I think Congress should ask the Department about both of those issues and I would like a full explanation as to why that has been done and I have every confidence that the oversight committee ….should ask those questions,” said Lance, adding that he shared a belief, “that Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred.”

The Congressman said he was “concerned” and that his goal was ensuring Americans “continued to live in a country based on freedom and individual rights,” adding that he hoped Congress could get answers on the reasons behind the huge ammunition purchases by the DHS.

Lance, who is the U.S. Representative for New Jersey’s 7th congressional district, was speaking at a Morristown Tea Party Organization meeting on Friday.

Last week, the Democratic Governors Association (DGA), a lobbying organization which represents governors affiliated with the Democratic Party, started an ad campaign calling on Americans to sign a petition demanding Sarah Palin be denounced for “extremist” rhetoric after the former Governor of Alaska expressed concern about the bullet purchases in a Facebook post.

Earlier this month, Forbes Magazine called for a “national conversation” on the matter despite claims by mainstream media and leftist websites that the issue had been “debunked”. As we documented, the sole source for claiming the story was “debunked” came from a single quote by a DHS official carried in a February 14 Associated Press report.

The AP report regurgitated claims by the federal agency that the bullets were bought in bulk to save money and were for training purposes only.

However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania last week, hollow point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds.

“We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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14 Members of Congress Demand Investigation of Obama’s Ammo Horde


Congressman asks if DHS bullet buys aimed at restricting ammo

Paul Joseph Watson
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March 22, 2013

Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House peers have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security demanding to know why the federal agency is buying so many rounds of ammunition and whether the purchases are part of a deliberate attempt to restrict supply to the American people.

The DHS has committed to purchasing around 2 billion rounds of ammunition over the course of the last year. Many believe the purchases are exacerbating bullet shortages across the country, supplies already strained by record sales prompted as a result of the Obama administration’s gun control agenda.

“The extraordinary level of ammunition purchases made by Homeland Security seems to have, in states such as my own, created an extreme shortage of ammunition to the point where many gun owners are unable to purchase any,” LaMalfa wrote in the letter.

“Are these purchases being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition,” the Congressman added.

According to the Record Searchlight, it is not yet known whether the DHS has responded to LaMalfa’s letter. The report also quotes gun store owners who are suspicious about the federal agency’s huge ammo buys.

As we reported yesterday, other members of Congress who have asked similar questions to those posed by LaMalfa have been rebuffed.

“They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that,” Congressman Timothy Huelscamp told WeAreChange reporters earlier this week, adding, “They refuse to let us know what is going on, so I don’t really have an answer for that. Multiple members of Congress are asking those questions.”

Huelscamp promised to keep asking and even threatened to back a move to defund the agency if answers were not forthcoming.

Last Friday, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance also indicated that he would pursue an explanation as to why the DHS is engaging in an apparent arms build-up.

“I think Congress should ask the Department about both of those issues and I would like a full explanation as to why that has been done and I have every confidence that the oversight committee ….should ask those questions,” said Lance, adding that he shared a belief, “that Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred.”

Earlier this month, Forbes Magazine called for a “national conversation” on the matter despite claims by mainstream media and leftist websites that the issue had been “debunked”. As we documented, the sole source for claiming the story was “debunked” came from a single quote by a DHS official carried in a February 14 Associated Press report.

The AP report regurgitated claims by the federal agency that the bullets were bought in bulk to save money and were for training purposes only.
However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania last week, hollow point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds.

“We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.

After Sarah Palin expressed concern about the issue on her official Facebook page, the Democratic Governors Association (DGA), a lobbying organization which represents governors affiliated with the Democratic Party, started an ad campaign calling on Americans to sign a petition demanding Sarah Palin be denounced for “extremist” rhetoric.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Well I hope those 14 Congressmen get on the stick and jam a sharp stick up DHS's ass and if DHS tries to stonewall them again then Congress pulls the rug of funds out from under the JBTs.


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Congress won't pull funding on any fasco-socialist crap.

All just lip service for public consumption.

Neither Party is your friend, neither gives a damn about freedom or your nation. Power and control is all that matters to them.

We'd do well to just string 'em all up in trees and be done with it.



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100% correct drjarhead and until the cable goes black and the refrigerator no longer "gives" or the cookies don't fall out of the pantry we will continue to watch Liberty erode daily under that lip service.

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I don't need DHS to tell Congress why they are buying all that ammo...it is obvious to wage a war here against citizens that refuse to comply with the regime. Agreed neither party is a friend to Liberty.


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I don't need DHS to tell Congress why they are buying all that ammo...it is obvious to wage a war here against citizens that refuse to comply with the regime. Agreed neither party is a friend to Liberty.
I don't advocate anarchy, so I do expect DHS to answer the question completely and unequivocally.

* If they are worried about a war within our borders, then we need to have a national debate about why and how the government is going to keep it from happening.
* If they intend to kill and imprison citizens with a different philosophy than those in power, heads need to roll at the top of the food chain because we have a constitution that protects free speech and thought, and prohibits the government from such abusive activity.
* If they expect it to be a civil war, then heads need to roll at the top of the food chain because they are the cause of the problem.
* If they expect it to be an economic collapse, there needs to be a national debate about how we can keep it from happening. Taft and Harding dropped government spending 50% and the economy took off like a shot in the 20's.
* If they are buying them for training, we need to have a national debate about why they are wasting money on more expensive hollow points when standard FMJ is more appropriate.
* If they are developing a militarized national police force to abide by Posse Commitatus laws, we need to have a national debate about the necessity and control and limitations of their authority. If we don't like the answers provided, impeachment and incarceration should be first and foremost on the list of actions.
* If they are buying bullets to take them off the market from citizens with a 2nd amendment right to own and carry "operating" firearms, heads should roll for spending money that is not in the budget (especially since there hasn't been a budget in 4 years).
* If they are flagrantly spending money with a $1.5T deficet each year, heads should roll at the very top of the food chain for wasting money and trying to overthrow the republic from the inside.

Hell yes, I want to hear her answer. If the American people don't like the answer, kick her out the door and make sure it hits her backside on the way out.

I'm tired of the BS and corruption. Stealing is still stealing, just as the city council of Bell, CA just found. This includes the administration, and the heads and senior members of the legislatures that have not put a transparent budget in place for 4 years. I would like to see Obama, Holder, Napolitano, Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, McCain, Boehner, Cantor and few others held accountable as a first pass.

We need fundamental change at the top of the food chain, not fundamental chain of founding father's Constitutional principles. Obama's change is not the path that most people thought was coming; even though he is doing what he said that he would do. Sadly, I don't think most people understood/understand what he meant, that his process is unconstitutional or the long-term impact to the nation. He and his associates are purposely killing the economy to remake the government with his/their vision.

Big Sis has some explaining to do. No good answer; Go directly to jail and do not collect $200.


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You are right we deserve an answer but we won't get one and no one will defund them to get it. We do need change but the odds are against us now. More folks are on the govt payroll and will not vote for constitutional candidates like Ran Paul en mass. We are moving toward a financial collapse on a world wide scale...I am done trying to do something on a national scale..I vote now only in local elections..I am preparing for civil unrest like in the 1860s.


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Originally posted by drjarhead:
Congress won't pull funding on any fasco-socialist crap.

All just lip service for public consumption.

Neither Party is your friend, neither gives a damn about freedom or your nation. Power and control is all that matters to them.

We'd do well to just string 'em all up in trees and be done with it.
Works for me.


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10th Amendment, you are right on the money. I am also preparing my family to be ready for when the S hits the fan. I believe that we are in worse trouble than originally thought. Our only hope is that those who pass the orders are ignored by those who have to carry out the orders to suppress "We the People".


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The executive branch has become a deaf to ruling element with way too much power. Congress passes the spending bills yet the dems did nothing while Bush was in office and now the Rhinos do nothing while Obama is president.


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Retired Army Captain Warns DHS Acquisitions are ‘bold threat of war’ Against the American People


Says Americans may have to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against the Obama Administration’s “coup” against the People

Adan Salazar
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March 24, 2013

On Saturday, retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow publicly voiced grave concerns over the Department of Homeland Security’s absurd acquisitions, posting a letter he sent to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) on Facebook labeling the Obama administration’s recent appropriation of weapons a “bold threat of war” against citizens of the United States of America.


Captain Terry M. Hestilow, United States Army, Retired, via Facebook

“It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America,” the decorated retired Army Captain’s letter begins.

Referring to the DHS’ solicitations for nearly two billion rounds of ammunition and recent purchase of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush protected armored personnel carriers as “a tyrannical threat against the Constitution” and a deliberate attempt to defund the Department of Defense, the retired Army Captain asked Sen. Cornyn to honor his oath to the American people and the U.S. Constitution and “to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD).”

“Significant is the fact,” Captain Hestilow writes, “that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

‘We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]‘–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.”

“Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible,” the retired Captain’s letter continues.

Calling the DHS purchases a “glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens,” Hestilow says the actions “can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America.”

“If left unresolved,” Hestilow states, “the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution ‘against all enemies, both foreign and domestic’ are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s ‘coup’ against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.”

The former Army Captain cites Adolf Hitler’s rise to power as evidence of the outcome of allowing such an agency free rein, stating,

“One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!”

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Retired Captain Terry M. Hestilow, via Facebook
The post is garnering unprecedented support, according to the retired Captain. Within a day, he says it has received over 3,000 shares, in addition to lassoing in 994 new friend requests. He is also encouraging others to copy and properly amend the letter to send to their own senators and members of the U.S. House.

The retired Army Captain’s message follows another letter penned by 15 Congressmen earlier in the week to the DHS asking if the ammo purchases were part of an effort to strategically deny American people access to ammunition.

“The extraordinary level of ammunition purchases made by Homeland Security seems to have, in states such as my own, created an extreme shortage of ammunition to the point where many gun owners are unable to purchase any,” California Congressman Doug LaMalfa wrote in the letter.

Concerns that the DHS is engaged in a domestic arms buildup against the People have also been echoed by notable political figures and such mainstream publications as Forbes Magazine, who earlier this month called for a “national conversation” on the topic.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was recently portrayed by media as a “conspiracy theorist” after she posted a remark on Facebook warning that imminent financial collapse could be the reason “why the Feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest.”

Similar concerns were also recently made public by Fox Business host Lou Dobbs when he asked NRA president Wayne LaPierre, during his March 4 broadcast, about the bizarre solicitations.

As an overwhelming number of Americans grow distressed over the curious purchases, mainstream media agencies, such as the Associated Press, Politico, Media Matters, and the Atlantic Wire, have frantically tried to tamp down speculation of a threat to civil liberties, refusing to conduct actual research into the subject and instead regurgitating superficial explanations issued by government officials.

A recent report that the DHS holds a $2 million contract with a firing range target manufacturer that produces shooting targets of armed pregnant women, children and elderly gun owners depicted in residential settings, has also not helped suppress speculation.

Despite numerous pleas to address the matter, the DHS has yet to issue a plausible explanation as to why they have apparently been building up a veritable ammunition and firearm stockpile domestically – purchasing profane amounts of riot gear, armored military vehicles, bulletproof checkpoints, and some 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles – and still refuses to answer questions from citizen journalists and multiple elected representatives.

Below is retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow’s letter to Sen. Cornyn in its entirety:

The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
United States Senate
517 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America.

Dear Senator Cornyn,

It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.

the Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.

This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution “against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s “coup” against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.

The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!

Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a “domestic” enemy? Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.

I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.

We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!

Resolved,

Captain Terry M. Hestilow
United States Army, Retired
Fort Worth, Texas
March 23, 2013


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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It looks like their goal is to buy the ammo off the market and then anyone wishing to purchase it has to go through their contract/issue process in order to get it. This is not just a restriction on civilian sales/purchases, but a restriction on other government agencies, just in case they don't want to be going along with DHS programs, they don't get any ammo. That's how they will be keeping any rogue national guard or police units in line.

The practice has been done by higher level government against the National Guard for decades, since they always knew the National Guard was made up mainly of patriots (hardly anyone is there for the money). It is not exactly "disarmament" but "selective armament". Lenin would be proud, very proud.


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Drudge say this morning that Big Sis ordered 360,000 more rounds of Hollow point .40 ammo. either they are trying to dry up the market, or start a war.

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Congress must cut off all funding to the administration until we get answers.


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Re: Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress on Ammo Purchases #155941
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As some bloggers suggested the Hollow Points are intended to be used as Training I call BS, also suggested they were to be used to stop collateral Damage against Soft Targets(US)..I think this Purchase is an attempt to Prohibit civilian Sales, and further the Drying up of ammo, that is being bought by Panicked Patriots...We will get no Answers from the Congress or the DHS..They have declared War on us, and this is a defacto Gun Ban!

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i thought i saw somewhere that the army captain had served for 30 years is this correct?


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How do you serve 30 years and only be a Captain? That's kind of pushing the lower side of the envelope even if he made E6 before going OCS.

I am with Bill Alexander at this point. If the ammo shortage ended by late February, then I would be calling bullshit, but the shortage is still happening and there is no way they could have absorbed the entire production AND import (IMI, IVI, PMC all of which are foreign sourced) just on that one contract.

There is also apparently no Russian, Israeli, South African, Korean or Canadian ammo available for sale either.


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Fuck all of this, I hope DHS buys more bullets.

Why? Because when they are supply drops it will make me and my people happy.


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Re: Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress on Ammo Purchases #155946
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Obama Front Group Labels Big Sis Bullet Buys ‘Debunked Conspiracy Theory’


Think Progress fails to address fundamental flaw in DHS’ explanation

Paul Joseph Watson
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March 26, 2013

The George Soros-funded Obama campaign front group Think Progress has responded to concerns about a DHS arms build-up by claiming the whole issue is a ‘debunked conspiracy theory’.
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In an article entitled, OOPS: Fox News Peddles Conspiracy Theory It Already Debunked, the website claims that the, “DHS justified the purchases in a letter to lawmakers,” by explaining, “that it regularly purchases ammunition in bulk to save money and noted that “the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS’s purchase said it would need ‘up to’ a certain amount.”

The article then quotes Fox News’ Charles Krauthammer who claimed that, “the amount of ammunition (purchased by the DHS) is less than in previous years.”

However, while the DHS’ own figures show ammo purchases of just over 100 million rounds purchased in the previous two years, over the last 12 months the agency has committed to purchasing at least 1.6 billion bullets. Even if you spread this figure out over the next five years (and discount additional purchases which are happening on a monthly basis), it still amounts to 320 million rounds a year – a threefold increase on previous years.

By attempting to debunk the matter as a conspiracy theory, Think Progress has followed in the footsteps of other news outlets who dismissed the whole story as a non-issue by citing the glib statement of a single DHS official, who claimed the bullets were being bought in bulk to save money and were for training purposes only.

However, as the Think Progress report fails to address, the notion that the ammo is being purchased in bulk to “save money” is completely erroneous since most of the bullets are hollow point rounds, which are almost twice as expensive as regular firing range bullets and therefore unsuitable for training purposes.

As former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Not a single one of the “debunking” pieces has even addressed this fundamental flaw in the DHS’ explanation for why it is buying ammo in bulk. Either the DHS is lying about its claim that the bullets are for training purposes only, or the agency is wasting tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money while simultaneously releasing illegal immigrants claiming it is broke.

In addition, if the number of bullets being purchased by the DHS is normal, as Think Progress claims, then why would the DHS need to justify its bulk purchase of them in the first place? To concede that the bullet buys represent “bulk” purchases is to concede that they are being acquired in unusually large quantities.

Furthermore, the claim that the DHS is nowhere near approaching its “up to” figure of 1.6 billion bullets purchased is contradicted by the fact that large ammo purchases are being delivered to the same locations consecutively. For example, last month the agency bought 240,000 hollow point rounds to be sent to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for an additional purchase of 360,000 bullets which was announced last week.

As we have previously documented, Think Progress claims that it is a “nonpartisan organization,” and yet is bankrolled by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a think tank headed by Bill Clinton’s former chief of staff John D. Podesta , who was also head of Barack Obama’s presidential transition team after the 2008 election.

According to SourceWatch, “CAP’s Progressive Media project emerged as a major communications war room on behalf of Obama’s domestic and foreign policy agenda and CAP became a strong advocate for escalation in Afghanistan. Progressive Media is run through the Center for American Project Action Fund, the more political 501(c)4 arm of CAP. It coordinates closely with the Common Purpose Project, an effort to create message discipline among the pro-Obama organizations, with a direct tie to the White House.”

According to Center for American Progress director Jennifer Palmieri, the organization is focused around “driving the White House’s message and agenda.”

Think Progress is also closely allied with Media Matters under the umbrella of Podesta’s Progressive Media propaganda campaign. An investigation by the Daily Caller last year revealed that Media Matters is an Obama administration front that strategizes with the White House on a weekly basis on how to influence and direct the news media.

Though the Center for American Progress is shy about revealing its financial backers, according to SourceWatch, no less than 58 foundations have donated over $15 million dollars since 2003, as well as corporations and elitist philanthropists such as George Soros, who donated $3 million for “general support” in 2006.

Given that Think Progress is a little more than a PR firm for the Obama administration which routinely invents its own conspiracy theories in order to denigrate its ideological adversaries, it’s unsurprising that the organization is once again running defense for the federal government.


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Report: DHS Attempting to “Control How Much Ammo is Available On the Commercial Market”


Mac Slavo
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March 27, 2013

Last year, when the state of Illinois attempted to follow New Jersey by making it difficult and more expensive to acquire ammunition, we warned that new government initiatives would be used to try and circumvent the Second Amendment. Rather than targeting firearms directly, lawmakers and government security officials began looking to ammunition as a sure-fire way to disarm Americans.

While it may have been hard to believe then, given the current shortages of ammunition throughout the United States, one can’t ignore the fact that the Department of Homeland Security has been actively pursuing such a strategy.

“The Department of Homeland Security’s huge ammo purchases were an attempt to dry up supplies as part of an end run around the second amendment,” writes Paul Joseph Watson of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition purchased by the Department of Homeland Security.

A US-based weapons manufacturer and defense contractor recently confirmed that this is, in fact, part of a broader gun control plan when he shared his insider knowledge with well known talk radio show host Michael Savage:

What Homeland Security is doing here is they’re issuing a contract to buy up to that amount of ammo if they want it…

It’s a way to control the amount of market that’s available on the commercial market at any time.

If they go to the ammo manufacturers and say give me 50 million rounds, give me another 30 million rounds… if they periodically do this in increments, they’re going to control how much ammo is available on the commercial market.

As part of their contract it stipulates in there that when the government calls and says give us another quantity, that everything they make has to go to the government priority one before any of it goes to the commercial market.

So, if they get nervous, all they have to do is use that contract that they have in place… and they just say ‘give us some more.’



In the contracting world it’s called an IDIQ contract… Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity… By issuing these contracts the government gets priority. All they have to do is call up…

Video: Michael Savage interviews weapons manufacturer (via Infowars):

High demand for firearms (and thus ammunition) resulting from threats of a nationwide Congressional gun grab, coupled with tens of millions of rounds ordered every month by non-military domestic security agencies has driven prices for some types of ammunition up over 100% in just the last six months.

But it doesn’t stop there, as the government is also reportedly trying to restrict access in other ways:

In fact, the ATF and the State Department, they’re kind of jerking around with the importation of it too, so they’re making it difficult for it to come in from overseas.

Right now, all the domestic manufacturers are running at full speed. They’re running three shifts, they’re cranking it out as fast as they can.

Supply cannot keep up with demand.

For the time being, demand is making it difficult to acquire ammunition at a reasonable price, but it is still available if you’re willing to pay for it.

Should DHS and other Federal Agencies continue to pursue this strategy, however, they could very well monopolize all domestically produced ammunition.

With budgets in the hundreds of billions of dollars, the government can easily utilize taxpayer funds to continue purchasing ammunition in an effort to keep it out of the hands of the American people.

And if that doesn’t work, any domestic emergency, temporary or long-term, would give government agencies confiscatory powers over this industry altogether, as authorized by the Doomsday Executive Order recently signed by President Obama.

Perhaps it’s time ammunition manufacturers follow the lead of firearms producers and simply refuse to sell to government agencies.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress on Ammo Purchases #155948
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i thought i saw that the captain that wrote the letter was a 30 year vet and thought bullshit right off.not sure where i saw this i could be mistaken tho.


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How many round are we looking at per pallet? 50K rounds per pallet? Being a heavy load, a half dozen pallets might still all just fit in one semi-trailer, and if that is going to a FLETC (training center), and you are looking at 2k rounds burned per trainee (they burn a lot more live ammo than a military basic trainee does, but maybe something comparable to a military basic trainee's ammo allocation, plus an infantry school trainee's ammo allocation.

It seems like they are standing up a force that is roughly half the power of the cold war era Marine Corps.

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Big facility by law enforcement agency standards. From the looks of their website, they train agents from 91 agencies in some sort of standardized format, then specialized training which can even go internationally.

Google maps shows an area next to the training center which appears to be a massive staging area for construction materials, like the facility is about to nearly double in size. Not quite double in size, but close to it. Massive construction and expansion though.

The place apparently has no airstrip, only a municipal airport a few miles away, and the largest terrain feature appears to be their closed circuit driving course. There is a small simulated town in the northwestern part, no clearly indicated rifle ranges. I suspect some of the larger featureless buildings might contain indoor shooting ranges. Google earth street level shows a lot of construction going on at the place.


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Re: Big Sis Refuses To Answer Congress on Ammo Purchases #155950
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What you described is far worse than I expected. A well supplied military force in the guise of law enforcement without military command controls and oaths to protect the constitution that is based inside the borders of the country is a danger to the republic. You have described Germany of the 1930's.


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Look gentlemen, It is not about the military as we all have known it...

1. they are forcing the retirement of higher ranking officers and enlisted, who have shown a reluctance to fire on US citizens..

2. The put Border patrol, ICE, and many other civilian LEO's under the umbrella of DHS.

3. After they put them all under DHS, they started ridding the massive LEO organization of any agents who would not follow Obama's order, even against the Constitution.

4.They changed the enemy from Islamic terrorist to Home grown terrorist...Saying the nest Islamic terrorist would look like most of the US citizens..

5. The quietly they put out manuals stating that the real terrorists were Christians or Militia men, preppers, and Constitution loving patriots..

6. They then ask the MSM to start to villify gun owners and other Patriots..

7. They quietly at first started purchasing Ammo and Arms, for two fold...To dry up the supply and to arm Obama's new civilian military force...DHS...

8. The moved to acquiring Armored vehicles and increased their ammo and arms purchases..

9.Now they are almost ready to ponce, We better be ready to defend.

I have not been around lately, because I have spent some time in other sites trying to gauge the mood of the people..

I also have been reinvesting in my flock of chickens, and my other self reliance resources..

I have been prepping my gardens too..

But Maybe, I am over reacting gentlemen, but time is very short, I feel..What are your thoughts?

Is it time to become less a part of this society and more a part of our own groups?..

I still feel we need to become the place people run too..

Why are they not coming in droves?...

Do they not see it?

Why is the stock market soaring?

Is it the trap I think it is?

Things are strange right now...

IMHO

greywolf


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Originally posted by Archangel1:
Congress must cut off all funding to the administration until we get answers.
Guess which gargantuan agency absorbed the Secret Service and "guarantees" the safety of all those congress-critters?

I'll give you a hint:

Three letters, starts with D, ends with S.

Total control at gunpoint.


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