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Pelosi Says She Will Keep “Government Closed Forever” Rather Than Fund Trump’s Wall

“I know he doesn't believe in government."

By Steve Watson | Infowars.com Friday, December 14, 2018

Addressing the media Thursday, Nancy Pelosi vowed that she will not negotiate border wall funding and would rather keep the “government closed forever”.

Pelosi told the media that she is confident that President Trump will eventually sign a bill excluding his requested border wall funding “because does he want to have government closed forever?”

“I mean, what’s this about? I know he doesn’t believe in government, I know that he doesn’t know that much about what is at risk to shut it down, but I think that it would be — and let’s not talk about what might happen,” Pelosi said.

“Let’s talk about what we can do right now to keep government open. There is strong bipartisan support to do that. The only obstacle is the president of the United States.” She added.

Congress has to pass an appropriations bill to fund the government before the end of the year, otherwise there will be a partial government shutdown.

Trump said earlier in the week that he would be “proud to shut down the government for border security,” insisting that Democrats fund the wall.

TRUMP to SCHUMER: “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. People in this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country” pic.twitter.com/E8CRW9k7pe

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) December 11, 2018

The President also released a video Thursday, slamming the “hypocrite” Democrats, who previously supported strong borders, saying that they are only now opposing border wall funding due to oppose his presidency.

Let’s not do a shutdown, Democrats – do what’s right for the American People! pic.twitter.com/bZg07ZKQqo

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

“The Democrats are absolute hypocrites. All along they’ve been supporting walls, and supporting fences and supporting all sorts of border security,” Trump said, before airing clips of Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama pledging to crack down on illegal immigration.

“The fact is they’ve always supported fences, and walls and partitions, but you know what? They only don’t want to do it because of me. They have to put the people ahead of politics,” Trump added.

Earlier this week, Border Patrol Union Vice President Art Del Cueto slammed Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for their actions at the White House meeting.

“Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, they can come down here and help us patrol the border and I’ll show them how difficult and how dangerous it really is, and how that wall makes a difference.” Del Cueto said.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Wow. She does have a brain cell.

You go Nancy, close it up.


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Promises, promises. But sadly, only a few agencies will actually be shut down. If Nancy and Donald really want to gain my respect, they should shut it all down.

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‘On to the Senate’ — Donald Trump Celebrates House Victory for Border Security Funding Bill


20 Dec 2018

President Donald Trump celebrated the passage of a government funding bill that included an additional $5.7 billion in border security funds.

“Thank you to our GREAT Republican Members of Congress for your VOTE to fund Border Security and the Wall,” Trump wrote about the vote, in which House Republicans passed the bill with a 217-185 vote.

Trump reminded future Speaker Nancy Pelosi that she mistakenly claimed last week that a bill with more border security funding would not pass the House.

“You will not win,” Pelosi said during a meeting with Trump in the Oval Office. “The fact is you do not have the votes in the House.”

Trump replied, “Nancy, I do.”

The results proved Pelosi wrong by a 32 vote majority.

“Nancy does not have to apologize,” Trump wrote. “All I want is GREAT BORDER SECURITY!”

He reveled in the enthusiasm shown by House Republicans, despite their preparations for losing their majority in the House in 2019.

“[M]any have said that the enthusiasm was greater than they have ever seen before,” he wrote. “So proud of you all. Now on to the Senate!”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer defied the victory in the House, insisting that it had no chance of passing in the Senate.

“Everyone knows it can’t pass the Senate,” he said. “It’s a cynical attempt to just hurt innocent people and do just what President Trump wants even though they probably know it’s bad for the country.”

The Senate will take up the bill on Friday for a vote. Senate Democrats plan to oppose the bill, which would send the government into a partial government shutdown.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Sadly, only about half a dozen federal agencies will be shut down. But it's a start.

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Trump Promises “Very Long” Gov Shutdown If Wall Not Funded


Prez meeting with Senate GOP, Dems not invited


By Infowars.com Friday, December 21, 2018

President Trump said the government shutdown will happen if Democrats in the Senate do not vote for funding the US-Mexico border wall.

Trump warns that the “very long” shutdown will be entirely on them as both parties are locked in a negotiation stalemate, according to CNBC:

Parts of the government will close if Congress cannot pass seven spending bills by midnight Friday. As of the morning, lawmakers appeared far from breaking an impasse over whether to fund the barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border.

House Republicans passed a bill Thursday night to keep the government running through Feb. 8 and put more than $5 billion toward the president’s wall. The Senate is expected to vote on, and reject, the legislation after it convenes at noon on Friday.

The GOP-controlled chamber already passed a temporary funding measure without wall money. Democrats, whose votes are needed to reach the necessary 60 in the Senate, have repeatedly said they will not approve funds for the barrier. Republicans hold a 51-49 majority.

Correspondingly, Trump set up a meeting with the Senate GOP while giving Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell the green light to use the “nuclear option” against the Dems, Washington Times reports:

President Trump is set to meet Friday with Senate Republicans ahead of a vote that could partially shut down the government over border security funding, the White House said.

“President Trump will meet with Senate Republicans this morning at 10:30 to discuss the Funding Bill and the importance of Border Security,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement.

Missing from the meeting are Senate Democrats who have vowed to oppose additional spending on border security.

Additionally, the government shutdown may happen as a new poll reveals that polarization in politics has reached levels that makes any compromise unlikely.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Uh Oh – Food Stamp Money Will Run Out By The End Of January If The Government Shutdown Lasts That Long

If this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps

By Michael Snyder Thursday, December 27, 2018

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.

And it certainly looks like this shutdown could last for quite a while, because President Trump is not backing down on his demand for border wall funding, and the Democrats have pledged not to give him a single penny. So a few weeks from now, approximately 38 million people could be suddenly cut off from the food stamp program. If that scenario were to unfold, there is no telling what could happen. After just a few days, government workers are already freaking out about having their paychecks delayed. If people are getting this restless already, what will things look like when tens of millions of Americans are suddenly cut off from their primary source of food money?

Even though the government has been shut down, the Department of Agriculture still has some existing financial resources at their disposal, and they are assuring us that those enrolled in the food stamp program will still receive their benefits “for January”. The following comes from CNN…

Eligible households will still receive monthly SNAP benefits for January. But other domestic nutrition assistance programs such as the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, WIC, and the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations will only be operational based on available resources. Additional federal funds and commodities will not be provided during the shutdown.

Child nutrition programs including School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk will continue through February.

The mainstream media is blaming this shutdown entirely on President Trump, and that gives the Democrats a tremendous amount of leverage. The longer this shutdown lasts, the more painful it will become for ordinary Americans, and once food stamp funds run out the pressure on President Trump to surrender will be immense.

Will Trump be able to keep going once tens of millions of Americans are yelling and screaming about having their food stamp benefits cut off?

For now, the Department of Agriculture will attempt to keep things going for as long as possible “using existing resources”.

But those “existing resources” will not last for very long.

And things are already changing. At this point, approximately 95 percent of all federal workers involved with the food stamp program have been furloughed…

As the government shutdown drags into its fifth day, nearly all employees in the office overseeing federal food stamps have been cut.

As of Wednesday morning, the remaining staff dwindled down to a mere 5 percent.

We have never seen food stamp benefits cut off nationwide before. So we actually don’t have any frame of reference for what could happen.

Could we see the type of civil unrest and rioting that I warned about in The Beginning Of The End? When people are hungry, they get desperate pretty quickly. And history has shown that when people don’t know where their next meal is going to come from they can get quite violent.

And even without the government shutdown, President Trump was planning to knock millions of people off of the food stamp program anyway by tightening work requirements…

If Congress won’t make more food stamp recipients work for their benefits, the Trump administration will.

The US Department of Agriculture unveiled a proposed rule Thursday that would expand work requirements in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, as the food stamp program is formally known. The proposal comes on the same day as President Donald Trump plans to sign a farm bill that had a similar provision that was eventually eliminated.

So one way or another, a lot of people are soon going to lose their benefits.

Meanwhile, federal workers continue to freak out over this government shutdown. The following comes from a New York Times article entitled “Federal Workers, Some in ‘Panic Mode,’ Share Shutdown Fears on Social Media”…

A Department of Transportation worker in Missouri picked up cashier shifts at Barnes & Noble. A paralegal for the Justice Department in Texas stopped using her “gas-guzzling” pickup truck and pulled her motorcycle out of storage. An air traffic controller in California is avoiding any purchases that aren’t vital.

As you can see, the suffering is getting worse with each passing day.

What is next? Will we soon discover that some government workers have been forced to buy generic brands at the grocery store due to this never ending horror of a government shutdown?

But seriously, the longer this shutdown lasts, the more that people are going to complain.

And right now Trump does not appear to have any intention of giving in. When reporters asked him how long he is willing to wait, Trump responded by saying “whatever it takes”…

Funding for nine federal departments lapsed Saturday amid an impasse over whether to fund the president’s proposed border wall. As congressional leaders and the White House appear to make little progress toward a deal, the shutdown could last past Jan. 3, when Democrats take control of the House.

Asked Wednesday during a surprise visit to U.S. troops in Iraq how long he would wait to see his demands met, Trump responded: “Whatever it takes.” The comment suggests little willingness on the president’s part to back down as Democrats refuse to approve funds for the proposed barrier.

Of course Chuck Schumer has drawn a line in the sand and has pledged that he will never, ever allow Trump to have funding for a border wall.

And so we have a political game of chicken playing out right in front of our eyes, and the Democrats have absolutely no incentive to back down because the worse things get the better it will be for them politically.

At this point it is very easy to imagine a scenario in which this shutdown extends into February, and when food stamp benefits get cut off we could truly see a national temper tantrum unlike anything that we have ever seen before.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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This just keeps getting better and better. grin

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What I can't figure out is, why doesn't Trump and Pelosi just make a deal, the Dreamers for the Wall. it's not like Trump would be losing anything, he's never going to deport them all, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't really want to anyway.

The deal is just sitting there, looking obvious. Why doesn't someone make it?

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Regarding, "Uh Oh – Food Stamp Money Will Run Out By The End Of January If The Government Shutdown Lasts That Long"

Food stamp recipients need to get a job if they want to eat.

Holy Bible KJV 2nd Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.


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The Hill is reporting that Schumer is open to making a deal, but Nancy Pelosi isn't. This is from The Hill, so take it for what it's worth.

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Pelosi is desperate to regain her position as speaker of the house and afraid she'll loose it if she doesn't stand firm. Really doesn't matter. the Senate and Trump can override anything she does.


‘No Wall, No Deal’: Lindsey Graham Gives Ultimatum to House Minority Leader
Budget deal won't be reached without border wall funding, he says



By Sputnik Saturday, December 29, 2018

The ongoing struggle that US President Donald Trump is spearheading against the Congress to pass a bill securing $5.7 billion in funding for a US-Mexico border wall led the government into a partial shutdown on 21 December after the Senate failed to approve a budget bill.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham has issued an ultimatum to House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democrats in the lower house stating that the budget deal will not be reached unless it includes funding for the construction of the wall on the border with Mexico.

To Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats:

No Wall Money, No Deal.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 28, 2018

The tweet comes after Democratic leaders reportedly left the negotiating table on 27 December refusing to discuss ways of restoring government operations. Pelosi told reporters that she would rather leave the government in indefinite shutdown than agrees to fund Trump’s wall.

Some netizens were not happy about Graham’s ultimatum, as in their view, it will only prolong the government shutdown.

So nice to know you’re on the side of government workers going without pay

— Anne Donovan (@tango793_anne) December 29, 2018

Go ahead & explain to those who are furloughed, who can’t pay their mortgage/rent, who don’t have money to feed their families, that you are holding them hostage because you want money for a 13th century wall that you know very well will not get built. #ticktock

— Left Of Main Street (@LeftOfMainSt) December 29, 2018

Though some shifted the blame not to Democrats or Graham, but on the US president.

just admit the President is to blame for the shutdown over what amounts to a pet project that will not work. We still have dying children at the southern border, in Puerto Rico, in Flint Michigan and many other places here at home. Just say… pic.twitter.com/5mJacli6wt

— jane doe (@listenuprocket) December 29, 2018

Others suggested that the US should not blame the Democrats, but the Mexicans, who, in their opinion, should have paid for the wall.

Dems aren’t withholding wall money… Mexico is.

— Knit Wit 🧶 (@Knitwit500) December 29, 2018

If you want money for the Wall you should be shutting down the Mexican government. Bless your heart.

— David Richards (@David1960Tx) December 29, 2018

If you want money for the Wall you should be shutting down the Mexican government. Bless your heart.

— David Richards (@David1960Tx) December 29, 2018

Many Twitterians were supportive of Republicans, even suggesting possible compromises.

How about we meet them in the middle Lindsey. Get $2 billion for the wall, start building the beautiful thing, see if it is working in those areas and use the statistics for more funding down the road.

— Kevin Waines (@k_waines) December 29, 2018

Amen!

— AffordARide.com (@AffordARide) December 29, 2018


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Lindsey Graham just proposed nearly the same deal I talked about a few days ago. Of course, he didn't give me credit for the idea.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina on Sunday said a deal that combines $5 billion for President Trump’s border wall with an extension of legal status for “Dreamers” and people fleeing conflict or natural disasters back home could “save the day in the Senate” and reopen the government.

“We need to start talking again,” the Republican told CNN’s State of the Union. “To my Democratic friends: There will never be a deal without wall funding.”

He said in return, immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children should be eligible for legal status and authorization to work for three years under a bill he’s put forward with Sen. Richard Durbin, Illinois Democrat.

Persons living in the U.S. under Temporary Protected Status — for instance, persons fleeing civil war or hurricane wreckage — could also receive temporary, renewable status to stay in the country under the senator’s deal.


Mr. Graham said Democrats have supported border fencing in the past, so it should be an easy lift.

“The bottom line is everything I just outlined has been offered by each party before,” he said....


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Here's some more good news! If a deal isn't reached very soon, the FCC will shut down tomorrow. Let's keep this thing going!

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What is the "military version of eminent domain?" I don't know, but my gut tells me it ain't good.

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President Donald Trump says he's willing to use "the military version of eminent domain" to build his proposed wall on the U.S.–Mexico border. It's not exactly clear what he means by that.

Addressing reporters from the Rose Garden today, Trump kept pushing for his ill-advised border wall. But what if Congress refuses to acquiesce to his demand for $5 billion in funding? Why, he'd declare a national emergency "and build [the wall] very quickly," he said.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that he can do that, he'd run into another problem right away: The federal government owns less than one-third of the land on the southern border. The rest belongs to other entities, including states, Native American tribes, and private individuals. Most of the border land in Texas is private property.

Not a problem, said Trump: "You have to use eminent domain," he declared. That's when the government forces a property owner to sell, at a price set by the government. "If we had one person that wouldn't sell us...then we wouldn't be able to build proper border security because we'd have that big opening."

"I think it's a fair process," he added.

And what happens if Trump can't seize people's land with normal eminent domain? That's where the "military version" comes in:

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Trump floats the idea of using "the military version of eminent domain" to immediately seize privately owned land along border to build the wall
— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) January 4, 2019


As explained, "[Lawsuits are] not going to hold [the wall] up because under the military version of eminent domain and under, actually, homeland security we can do it before we even start."

Hopefully it doesn't look anything like this:

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Hey, look! It's "the military version of eminent domain"! pic.twitter.com/JQbk4eQHml
— Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) January 4, 2019


In all seriousness, federal law does allow for military department secretaries to "acquire any interest in land" if "the acquisition is needed in the interest of national defense." But defining building a wall on the southern border as an issue of national defense is a stretch.

It's also worth noting that calling for a "military version of eminent domain" may not be the best way for Trump to sell his wall to the American people. Polls already show that a majority of Americans oppose the project. Further reducing the due process available to border property holders is unlikely to increase that number.

But the president's fondness for eminent domain in all of its forms should be no surprise. Trump has benefited from eminent domain for decades as a real estate developer. Why would he stop now?


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Who's keeping Yellowstone open and clean during the shutdown? Private businesses. So why were we paying all those government employees in the first place?

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Nearly three weeks into the government shutdown, some of America's national parks are starting to get a bit rank. Access is free, since there are no employees to collect the typical $35-per-vehicle entrance fees, but that comes with the trade-off of there being no employees to empty trash bins or clean toilets either.

But at Yellowstone National Park, National Public Radio reports, local businesses are chipping in to make sure the bathrooms get cleaned, the roads get plowed, and the tourists keep coming. Even in the middle of winter, the park gets an estimated 20,000 visitors per month—and those hardy folks want to rent snowmobiles, hire tour guides, and take sightseeing trips. The private-sector businesses that thrive on those tourist dollars have a pretty strong incentive to make sure Yellowstone remains accessible.

Xanterra Parks and Resorts, which runs the only hotels inside Yellowstone that remain open during the winter, is leading the effort to cover the $7,500 daily tab for keeping the roads plowed and the snowmobile trails groomed during the shutdown, according to NPR. Thirteen other private businesses that offer tours of the park are chipping in $300 a day to help cover that expense.

Meanwhile, Xanterra has some of its own employees assigned to clean park bathrooms during the shutdown, and snowmobile tour guides are packing their own toilet paper for customers to use.

In all, it seems like a pretty straightforward lesson about how private businesses will respond to changing market conditions and incentives. While some of the business owners profiled by NPR suggest they are chipping in to keep the park open due to altruistic concerns—"it should be open, and services should be there, because it is the people's park," says one—the bottom line is likely the bottom line. Keeping the park accessible means those businesses can continue to profit off tourists, government shutdown or not.

That doesn't mean that altruistic motivations don't exist, of course. In Washington, D.C., a group of libertarians volunteered time on Saturday to clean up land that's usually maintained by the National Park Service. "It's an example of us practicing what we preach. We want the private sector to step up when government can't, so that's what we're doing here," Joseph Bishop-Henchman, chairman of the Libertarian Party of the District of Columbia, told local media.

Those efforts are praiseworthy, but ultimately less sustainable than the profit motive that's helping keep Yellowstone open.

Indeed, those profit motives exist with or without a government shutdown. According to the National Park Service, the 331 million visitors to national parks during 2017 contributed an estimated $18.2 billion to local economies within 60 miles of the parks. All that spending supported 306,000 jobs. The federal government spends about $3 billion on the National Park Service each year, but those private economies based in and around the parks is six times larger. That's a powerful incentive to keep things running even if the government isn't.

There's also probably a useful lesson here about what the privatization of national parks would look like. Rather than the corporatized dystopia of environmentalist nightmares, removing the government from the equation would allow businesses that have a vested interest in maintaining and protecting America's natural splendor to do exactly that—and would prevent the parks from being caught up in the unrelated drama of whatever nonsense is happening in Washington, D.C.


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Millions could face severe cuts to food stamps due to government shutdown

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January 7, 2019 / 9:54 AM / CBS News

The partial government shutdown glided into its third week Saturday with no end in sight. If the government is not reopened before February, millions of Americans who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) -- the nation's food stamp program — could have their assistance disrupted.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees SNAP at the federal level, is one of the agencies unfunded during the partial government shutdown. Although SNAP is automatically renewed, it has not been allocated funding from Congress beyond January. Congress has appropriated $3 billion in emergency funds for SNAP distribution, but that would not cover all of February's obligations.

In September 2018, the last month for which data is available, $4.7 billion in SNAP benefits were disbursed throughout every state. If the shutdown continues through March, there will be no remaining funding for SNAP, endangering food security for millions of Americans.

According to the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 42 million Americans received SNAP benefits in 2017. More than 68 percent of participants were in families with children, and more than 44 percent were in working families.

Other programs are in even more immediate danger than SNAP. The Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) are not receiving federal funds at all during the shutdown, but "can continue to operate at the State and local level with any funding and commodity resources that remain available," according to the USDA.

In the first five months of 2018, around 7 million Americans received WIC benefits each month. WIC is provided for pregnant, postpartum and breastfeeding women, infants, and children up to age 5 who fall within the poverty index and are at "nutritional risk." The WIC program granted nearly $5 billion to every U.S. state and territory in 2018, as of September.

Americans who benefit from both SNAP and WIC would be particularly affected in February.

Child Nutrition Programs, including School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk will continue operations through February, according to the USDA.

Staffing for Food and Nutrition Services, which oversees the Child Nutrition Programs, SNAP, and WIC, has been cut by 95 percent since the shutdown began.


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The welfare recipients need to go to work to feed themselves and their children. I'll bet socialist/communist democrats tell them to riot instead.


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There won't be any new beers for a while, because there are no government bureaucrats working to approve new beer labels. I'm not kidding.

The obvious question to ask is, why do we need some government agency to do that in the first place?

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Forget the wall...now we have a beer crisis. sick cry


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Before too long we may not have a TSA, either. Wouldn't that be tragic.

For what it's worth, that $5.7 billion will buy a lot less wall than you probably think - and will likely, due to cost overruns, end up costing a whole lot more.

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Social scientist Bent Flyvbjerg described the selection of government-funded infrastructure projects as “survival of the unfittest” because proponents of those projects systematically exaggerate the benefits and underestimate the costs. President Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico provides a striking example of this: A wall along the border with Mexico will likely cost about $59.8 billion to construct.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) recently sent a letter to Congress where it argued that $5.7 billion would pay for approximately 234 miles of a new physical steel barrier along the border. That new estimate comes to about $24.4 million per mile. This new OMB estimate is 41 percent more costly than the approximately $17.3 million per mile construction costs that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated just a few years ago, 2.7 times as expensive as Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan estimated, and 5 times as expensive as Trump’s lowest estimate.

Even worse, the $24.4 million per mile estimate does not include the large cost overruns for government construction projects. Applying a conservative 50 percent cost overrun estimate to building the border fence brings the total price tag to approximately $36.6 million per mile. Building a steel fence along the remaining 1,637 miles of Mexican border not covered by pedestrian fencing would cost approximately $59.8 billion, excluding any maintenance costs.

There are a few caveats about the above estimate.

First, the 50 percent cost overrun estimate is conservative. A small sample of large construction projects selected by my colleague Chris Edwards shows that cost overruns boost total project costs by an average of 3.3 fold. The cost of the border fence is thus very likely to be more than double what I estimate above.

Second, this estimate is for the steel bollard barrier and not a concrete wall. In other words, the currently proposed steel border fence is far cheaper than the concrete and steel wall originally proposed by President Trump. Making it out of concrete could more than double the price.

Third, our cost estimate does not include the low-ball $864,353 annual per mile cost of maintaining the current border fence – which is likely a lot less expensive than repairing the barrier that has been proposed by Trump.

Fourth, the OMB’s cost estimate per wall is more in line with previous Trump administration requests
than estimates made by organizations that are ideologically committed to building a wall regardless of the cost to taxpayers.

Since 2017, administration officials at the OMB have been relatively consistent in estimating that the government cost of building a border wall is around $24 million per mile. However, the incentives for and history of government agencies systematically underestimating the costs of government construction projects makes this the lowest possible estimate. If it is built for about $24.3 million per mile than it would be the first time that a large government construction project has come in at or below cost in a very long time.

The cost of the border wall keeps getting higher, the border wall keeps becoming less of a wall, and the administration keeps promising that it will cover less and less of the border. At this rate, President Trump might end his administration with less fencing than he began it.


More money, less wall, and no beer. And people wonder why I'm an anarchist.

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Are GOP congresscritters beginning to cave? This is from the Associated Press, so take it for what it's worth. But personally, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Republicans have a long, sorry history of cracking under pressure. (If you don't believe me, just look at ObamaCare.)

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Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, urged colleagues to approve spending bills that would reopen various agencies, “so that whether it’s the Department of the Interior or it is the IRS, those folks can get back to work. I’d like to see that.”

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, called the standoff “completely unnecessary and contrived. People expect their government to work. ... This obviously is not working.”

Trump was to get a personal sense of the concern —and perhaps questions about his strategy — from those in his own party at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

Like other Republicans, Sen. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said she wants border security. But she said there was “no way” the shutdown fight would drag on for years as Trump warned last week.

“I think certainly I have expressed more than a few times the frustrations with a government shutdown and how useless it is,” Capito said Tuesday. “That pressure is going to build.” (...)


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Democrats Can Fund the World, but Not the Wall

By Brian C. Joondeph

There is nothing like a government shutdown to illustrate clearly the priorities of the two opposing sides to the standoff. On one side is President Trump, keeping a campaign promise to build a wall, to keep crime, sex-trafficking, drugs, and terrorism, not to mention the unfunded burden of illegal aliens, out of America.

On the other side are the Democrats, hell-bent on keeping 25 percent of the government closed for business rather than funding border security, a concept they wholeheartedly supported a decade ago.

Who's winning and who's losing the battle? If you watch cable news, it's clear that the president is on the ropes, having backed himself into a corner. Reality sings a different tune. How did we get here?

Donald Trump, announcing his candidacy for president in June 2015, rode down the escalator at Trump Tower and said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." He went on, "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

These were among his first pronouncements that day and have been a constant theme of his rallies and tweets since then – including this tweet from a few days ago.

Democrats were once in favor of border security, too. Many, including Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. This provided for, "Operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."

Now, because it's 2019 and Trump is president, Democrats are conveniently against border security. This is a common theme of Democrats, frequently for something before they are against it. Remember John Kerry and the Iraq War?

The current fight is over a mere $5 billion in funding for a wall – or a "fence" if the term "wall" is offensive, but a physical barrier between two nations, controlling who and what traipses from one country to the other. The federal budget is $4.4 trillion, meaning wall funding represents about a tenth of a percent of the budget, a rounding error. What else are Nancy Pelosi and colleagues spending money on? How about foreign aid?

The 2019 federal budget requests nearly $27 billion in foreign aid for economic development, health, humanitarian assistance, peace and security, and other objectives. This is over half the cost of securing "[t]he entire international land and maritime borders of the United States" something Democrats were keen about in 2006.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 budgeted $50 billion over 25 years to control America's borders. Unfortunately, Congress appropriated only $1.4 billion and forgot about the rest. The foreign aid request above was for one single year. Two years of the foreign aid budget spent instead on U.S. border security would create the type of physical borders so common in the countries we are generously supporting.

Fund the world, but not America.

It's instructive to compare the current administration to the past one, since the media treat the last administration as the Second Coming and the current administration as the Fourth Reich.

In 2012, Congress appropriated $40 billion in foreign aid, a billion more than what was requested. In 2013, the amount went up to $43 billion appropriated. The following year, 2014, $42 billion was appropriated.

Let's look at what was actually spent on foreign aid in Barack Obama's final year of 2016: $31 billion total – more than half of what America needs to insure its own "peace and security."

Countries receiving American taxpayer largess include Pakistan, $687 million, the same country that provided sanctuary to Osama bin Laden. Seven point two billion dollars went to Afghanistan, with not much to show for it other than its opium products finding their way through our unsecure southern border.

Five hundred seventy million went to Syria, a country where I thought Obama was calling for regime change. Even China received $20 million. I thought China was our geopolitical and economic adversary! A few hundred million each went to most African countries, quickly adding up to the grand total of $31 billion.

This is not to say that all foreign aid is bad, as clearly, it is not. America is the most generous nation in the world. Much of our foreign aid is lifesaving. Much of it is also wasted or filling the Swiss bank accounts of foreign thug leaders – or worse, finding its way into the bank accounts of those who appropriated the money from the U.S. Treasury.

How else to explain members of Congress living in multimillion-dollar mansions or having net worths in the tens of millions while earning a congressional salary of under $200,000 per year?

An old proverb says, "Charity begins at home." Even the Bible reinforces the idea in 1 Timothy 5:8: "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

American taxpayers are footing the bill not only for foreign aid, but also for illegal immigration, which costs U.S. taxpayers $115 billion a year.

Then there is the human toll, from Kate Steinle to police officer Ronil Singh. Or the previously deported illegal alien who viciously raped a woman in New York. Or another previously deported illegal who raped a child in Philadelphia.

Don't forget illegal drugs. Heroin and cocaine aren't produced domestically and instead transit our southern border. How much Chinese fentanyl is arriving through Mexico?

The United States gives about a million dollars a year in aid to Hungary, the same country that was able to fund the construction of "a second fence on the border with Serbia to keep migrants out."

Congress is happy to give money to countries to secure their borders, but House Democrats refuse to spend a dime for the same security measures in their own country.

Shameful, but the shutdown is illustrating Democrat priorities, especially for Pelosi-Schumer Democrats. Let's have the debate. Where do taxpayers want their hard-earned money to go? To foreign countries so they can secure their borders and protect their citizens? Or should some of that money stay here, providing safety and security for Americans?

Trump will get his wall, either through an eventual budget deal or via the military on the basis of national security. The shutdown may simply be Trump's way of exposing Democrat priorities, which are not for those they are elected to represent or the constitution they swore to support and defend.

Democrats may believe that the shutdown is a way to insulate themselves against exposure of their real priorities, but the longer the shutdown goes on, the more their insulation melts away.


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Sen. Lindsey Graham (RINO - SC) just blinked. he wants Trump tp open the government "temporarily."

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A Republican senator close to President Donald Trump on Sunday backed a temporary re-opening of the federal government, in the 23rd day of the longest shutdown ever, to allow for talks on a spending agreement that could satisfy Trump's border security demands.

Democrats in Congress rejected Trump's request that legislation to fund the government include $5.7 billion of taxpayer money for a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico. They have refused further negotiations until the government is reopened after being partially shut down since Dec. 22.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he urged the president on Sunday to reopen the government for a limited period to try to get talks going again.

If no progress is made, he said, then Trump should declare a national emergency as a way to get money to build his wall, a plan not popular with some fellow Republicans....


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A group of Tennessee Libertarians wanted to help clean up Shiloh Park during the shutdown. A park ranger stopped them. The feds can't afford people to clean up a park, but they can afford to hire people to stop people from cleaning up the park.

You can't make this stuff up.

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Had a couple of cousins who served under Forest at Shiloh.

You know why the ranger stopped the volunteers...

Because they weren't registered democrats and members of the federal workers union.


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Is Trump suckering the Democrats into a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? It turns out that government workers furloughed for 30 days or more can be laid off.

I don't personally think that was Trump's plan, and I don't think it is now either. But it would be a great move, even better than Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers who went on an illegal strike nearly forty years ago.

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Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job....


Read the whole thing at the link. Long, but well worth it.

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It would be an incredibly efficient way to downsize “non-essential” federal staff.


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Pelosi wants Trump to cancel the State of the Union Address. Good for her. it should be in writing. The SOTU is a frightful bore, and has become something far different from what it was intended to be.

Will Trump actually cancel it? Not a chance.

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Pelosi calls cops to remove illegals from her home

'You can't say everyone is welcome here and then lock your door'

Amid her staunch opposition to funding a border wall, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called police to evict illegal aliens from camping out at her multimillion-dollar vineyard estate in Napa Valley.

The Daily Wire, citing freelance journalist Nick Monroe, reported citizen journalist and activist Laura Loomer brought illegal immigrants from Guatemala and Mexico onto the property of Pelosi’s walled estate Monday.

The entourage set up a portable canopy with the word “immorality” written on it in large red letters.

The reference was to Pelosi’s recent characterization of a wall on the southern border.

Hanging from the front of the canopy were photos of murder victims of illegal immigrants.

In a livestream of the event, Loomer read the names of the victims, adding that they were not welcome in “sanctuary state California.”

Monroe tweeted that Loomer checked to see if Pelosi had locked her front door, since “only bigots lock their doors.”

“Come on, you can’t say everyone is welcome here and then lock your door,” said Loomer. “You’re killing us, Nancy! You’re killing us!”

Loomer and the illegal immigrants chanted “Nancy, Nancy,” Monroe said.

Police officers showed up and asked for identification.

“I was told IDs were racist,” Loomer told the officers. “I’m so confused.”

The Daily Wire said the officers, on order from Pelosi, ticketed the illegal immigrants and removed them from the property instead of detaining them.

Pelosi told reporters “a wall is an immorality.”

“It’s not who we are as a nation,” she said Jan. 4 amid the partial government shutdown over wall funding. “We are not doing a wall. Does anybody have any doubt? We are not doing a wall.”


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As expected, Trump has retaliated, canceling Pelosi's trip to Belgium and Afghanistan on a military aircraft. It almost sounds like this is getting personal. laugh

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LOL! I just heard Trump delivered that letter to Nancy Pelosi thirty minutes before her and her entourage were to board the bus to the aircraft. The Lord knows I'm no fan of Trump, but THAT IS AWESOME! laugh

Seriously, when Pelosi decided to troll Trump by canceling the SOTU, she forgot just who she was dealing with. NOBODY can troll people better than Trump.

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Trump is playing chess while Pelosi is playing checkers. "You cancel my speech, I cancel your vacation."


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VIDEO: Police Respond To Illegal Aliens Camping At Nancy Pelosi’s House

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Trump cancels US delegation to Davos World Economic Forum due to shutdown

The Trump administration will no longer be sending a delegation to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, next week.
President Trump had already canceled his own plans to attend the meeting.
Earlier this week, the White House said it had planned to send a five-person delegation led by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

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President Donald Trump has canceled his delegation's trip to the World Economic Forum, citing the partial government shutdown.

"Out of consideration for the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay and to ensure his team can assist as needed, President Trump has canceled his Delegation's trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland," press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement late Thursday.

Earlier this week, the White House said it had planned to send Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Chris Liddell, assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff for policy coordination.

Trump canceled his own plans to attend the forum last week citing the shutdown.

The annual conference in Switzerland gathers world leaders and business executives. This year's theme is "Globalization 4.0: Shaping a Global Architecture in the Age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution."

Earlier Thursday, the president postponed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's planned overseas trip with other members of Congress to visit U.S. troops in Afghanistan, shortly before they were scheduled to depart on a military plane. That postponement came a day after the California Democrat sent Trump a letter, urging him to either reschedule his upcoming State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress or deliver it in writing because of the shutdown.

A White House official told NBC News that all congressional delegations overseas that would have used federally funded military aircraft have been grounded by Trump until the shutdown ends.


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Rand Paul Suggests Cutting Pelosi Out Of State Of The Union

By Steve Watson | INFOWARS.COM Friday, January 18, 2019

Senator Rand Paul weighed in on the stand off regarding the upcoming State of The Union address, suggesting that if Nancy Pelosi is unwilling to allow it to happen in the House, then it should be moved to the Senate and go ahead without her and the Democrats.

“Senator McConnell is in charge of the Senate,” Paul tweeted Thursday morning. “If Mrs. Pelosi refuses to allow the president to deliver the State of the Union in the House, I propose we move it to the Senate and make it happen!”

Senator McConnell is in charge of the Senate. If Mrs. Pelosi refuses to allow the president to deliver the State of the Union in the House, I propose we move it to the Senate and make it happen!

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 17, 2019

Following up during an interview on Fox & Friends, Paul said “This would be the first time in history that the House would deny the president a forum of speaking.”

“If she is going to do that, let’s hold it in the Senate.”

Paul was appearing to tout a bill he has introduced aimed at preventing future lengthy government shutdowns.

Following Senator Paul floating the idea of an address delivered from the Senate floor, CBS reported that The White House was seriously considering the possibility.

Top White House officials are discussing whether the GOP-controlled Senate could invite President Trump to deliver the State of the Union address. https://t.co/VmLrU3fcCB

— CBS This Morning (@CBSThisMorning) January 17, 2019

Pelosi has made it clear that until the government is fully reopened, she will not issue the invitation for Trump to deliver the speech in the House. Pelosi has suggested that Trump should “consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th.”

News: @SpeakerPelosi letter to President Trump suggesting he move State of the Union until after government re-opens – or submit his speech in writing instead – due to Shutdown effect in DHS and Secret Service, via @FoxReports & @arogDC: pic.twitter.com/CPMvjm7shr

— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) January 16, 2019

The ‘security concerns’ Pelosi cited as a reason to postpone the address seemed to have stemmed from a single furloughed DHS employee:

After @SpeakerPelosi sent Pres. Trump letter asking to delay SOTU, citing security concerns, Pelosi spokesperson later said a furloughed DHS employee had “expressed serious concerns that the department has insufficient staffing levels,” @MajorCBS reports https://t.co/hs6BqeK09f pic.twitter.com/j9wyuWFCIC

— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) January 17, 2019

Pelosi spox: The Office of the Spkr has been contacted by a furloughed DHS employee who expressed serious concerns that the dept has insufficient staffing levels to sufficiently manage the security needs for the upcoming State of the Union..due to furloughs of critical staff

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 16, 2019

It’s clear that Pelosi, who has also stated unequivocally that she will not budge on funding for Trump’s proposed border wall, is playing politics.

Really? And who pray tell was this conscientious employee? So she will believe this anonymous furloughed employee over word of Secret Ser. And DHS? Please! Another Pelosi fabrication.

— Hiram Holland (@lovesimflight) January 16, 2019

“A furloughed DHS employee” is the new woke six-year-old. https://t.co/rvGfbvW321

— Joseph Ashby (@JosephAshbyShow) January 16, 2019

Fox News’s John Roberts says a DHS official told him that no one from Pelosi’s office called the Secret Service to ask if they had concerns about SOTU before she sent that letter. #StateoftheUnion #GovernmentShutdown

— Cortney O’Brien (@obrienc2) January 16, 2019

.@SpeakerPelosi says secret service COULD secure State of the Union, but they shouldn’t have to while not getting paid.

“They’re professionals. They train for this. They should be paid for this.” pic.twitter.com/U926sol7O3

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) January 17, 2019

Just asked Pelosi if she’s simply trying to deny Trump a platform after DHS said it could secure SOTU, and she said: “I’m not denying him a platform at all…Let’s pay the employees. Maybe he thinks it’s OK not to pay people who do work. I don’t, and my caucus doesn’t either.” pic.twitter.com/RODDSMihbK

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 17, 2019

In response to Pelosi’s antics, Trump wrote his own informing the speaker that her scheduled trip overseas will be postponed in light of the government shutdown.

President @realDonaldTrump’s letter to @SpeakerPelosi concerning her upcoming travel pic.twitter.com/TtBCvwp080

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) January 17, 2019

The President did this one hour before Pelosi and her team was to leave, forcing Democrats to literally circle around the Capitol on a bus and then get back off it.

USAF bus back on Capitol plaza. Mbrs getting off bus & going back into Capitol pic.twitter.com/k9luYw5YyC

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 17, 2019

Trump even had Pelosi’s luggage returned to her office by cart:

Pelosi’s luggage was sent back to her office after Trump cancelled her trip.

h/t @odonnell_r pic.twitter.com/dFqTcDo6Ff

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) January 18, 2019

Democrats, along with MSNBC and CNN immediately went into full on attack mode, blaming Trump for playing politics:

However, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy slammed Pelosi for even considering traveling abroad in what is now the fourth week of the partial government shutdown.

“Why would she want to go overseas with government shut down, with people missing their paychecks? And if we don’t get this back open they could miss their paycheck again by next week, so I think it’s appropriate that we would get back together. It would not take long, and we could solve this problem,” McCarthy told reporters on Capitol Hill.

“I couldn’t imagine she would even think about going,” McCarthy added. “I didn’t read what it is but I’m just shocked she’d even think that she would leave the country. Why would you leave the country with government shut down and you’re speaker of the House?”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy reacts to President Trump withholding a military plan for Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s congressional trip: “Why would she want to go overseas with the government shutdown? … I couldn’t imagine she would even think about going” pic.twitter.com/zDnsi8wNPg

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) January 17, 2019

In a further Fox appearance, Rand Paul said that he fully supports Trump’s action in canceling Pelosi’s trip, and that the Speaker has to be willing to compromise on border wall funding.


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I don't want to give Trump any ideas, but what he should do is announce he is going to give a SOTU address, and do it at one of his campaign rallies. The major networks would be in a bind - they're almost obliged to televise it, but at the same time they wouldn't want to televise a campaign rally. And what can Pelosi do about it? Nothing. if I were Trump, that's what I would do.

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Trump is offering a deal to end the shutdown - an extension for DACA in exchange for money for the wall. Frankly, it's a deal that should have been made a long time ago. I don't know what Pelosi et al will do, but my gut tells me this is a winner for Trump. The Democrats would be hard pressed to turn it down.

And that's a shame. I kinda liked that partial shutdown. I would rather Trump had added, "And if you don't accept this deal, I'm going to lay off all those furloughed employees." But he didn't. Maybe next time.

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As Ilya Somin points out, Trump's wall is an eminent domain nightmare here is an excerpt from his article in the Washington Post:

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...But even if congressional Democrats agree to give him the funds in exchange for concessions on other immigration issues, that would be only the beginning of the drama over the wall. Trump cannot acquire the land he needs without forcibly displacing large numbers of property owners by using eminent domain. That inevitably threatens the property rights of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Americans.

Less than one-third of the needed land is currently owned by the federal government. The rest — as much as 1,300 miles — is held by private owners, Native American tribes and state governments, many of whom are unlikely to sell voluntarily. Even if the wall does not cover the full 2,000 miles because it excludes some areas, such as those that have "natural" barriers, many property owners will have to be displaced....

To get that land, the government would have to resort to eminent domain: a power that allows the state to seize property from unwilling owners. The result would be one of the largest federal condemnations in modern U.S. history. In Texas alone, there are some 4,900 parcels of privately owned land within 500 feet of the probable route of the wall. In Arizona, some 62 miles of the route is owned by the Tohono O'odham Nation, which opposes the wall because it would damage the tribe's land and impede ties with members across the border. No one knows exactly how many homes, businesses and tribal properties would have to be condemned. But it is likely that thousands of people would suffer....

In 2005, the Supreme Court generated widespread outrage when it ruled in Kelo v. City of New London that the government could condemn homes to promote private "economic development." The project fell through, and today the site of Susette Kelo's house is used only by feral cats. Trump is a long-standing defender of Kelo, in large part because he himself has a history of benefiting from eminent domain abuse, including the notorious 1998 condemnation of elderly widow Vera Coking's home to build a parking lot for one of his casinos.

As legal scholar Gerald S. Dickinson notes, "The Great Wall of Trump could leave hundreds of Cokings and Kelos at risk of losing their property" — vastly more than in Kelo. They would lose their land to build a structure that is not justified by any genuine security crisis, is likely to cost more than $20 billion in taxpayer money and probably would not significantly reduce undocumented immigration. Even seizing land for feral cats seems a better deal than that.


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