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Re: Pelosi Says She Will Keep “Government Closed Forever” Rather Tha [Re: ConSigCor] #169205
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What I want to know is WHY was it necessary for Nasty Perlousy to want to take all of her children and Grandchildren with her? I can understand some staff, but this trip was pure BS that I would not want paid for by myself and the rest of the US taxpayers!

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What I want to know is WHY was it necessary for Nasty Perlousy to want to take all of her children and Grandchildren with her? I can understand some staff, but this trip was pure BS that I would not want paid for by myself and the rest of the US taxpayers!



Quite simply, POTUS should declare that no family and limited staff can accompany members of Congress on these junkets - unless they want to fly commercial. These are military aircraft, and military resources have to be allocated to mind these assholes while they are in country....

And of course, Peosi's grandkids will get flag-level accommodations....

8 members of Congress? They can go on a C130.


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Re: Pelosi Says She Will Keep “Government Closed Forever” Rather Tha [Re: ConSigCor] #169209
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I'm wondering how many in her entourage were big money Democrat donors. I'm betting quite a few of them were. And yes, Republicans do the same thing.

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Trump clarified his statement the other day...

No one gets a free plane ride until Congress comes to the table.

There is also talk from the Whitehouse that if the shutdown continues, now would be the time to save more money by downsizing the government with some permanent layoffs.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
...There is also talk from the Whitehouse that if the shutdown continues, now would be the time to save more money by downsizing the government with some permanent layoffs.


Outstanding! I doubt they'll follow through on that, but at least someone besides me is talking about it.

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Our country is deeply in debt, and bleeding money. Our soldiers are fighting and dying in countries that mean nothing to us. We are in the middle of a trade war that harms all of us. And the press is going nuts...

...because a boring, pointless speech has been cancelled.

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Unless postponing his sate of the union address is like some kind chess move it looks like that socialist/commie rat Pelosi punked out Trump.

Trump said, "I will do the address when the shutdown is over. I am not looking for an....alternative venue for the SOTU Address because there is no venue that can compete with the history, tradition and importance of the house chamber. I look forward to giving a “great” State of the Union Address in the near future!..."

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Unpaid TSA and FBI agents don't deserve our sympathy.

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The partial shutdown of the federal government is entering its second month, with few signs that it will end anytime soon. Continuing right along with it is the national outpouring of sympathy and material support for the some 800,000 federal workers who've either been furloughed or forced to work without pay.

That's been most evident in the one-company town of Washington, D.C., where businesses have been giving away everything from free pizza and beet burgers to heavily discounted microbrews that get cheaper the longer the government shutdown goes on.

Outside the Beltway, state governments are starting to pitch in. In Connecticut, furloughed feds can now apply for zero-interest loans during the shutdown. The Oregon legislature is drafting a bill that would extend eligibility for unemployment benefits to these same folks, while the coastal town of Astoria, Oregon, is waiving their water and sewage bills.

Average citizens are donating free food to TSA agents around the country, while A-list celebrities like Jon Bon Jovi and Gene Simmons have said agents could eat for free at their respective restaurant chains.

This outpouring of sympathy is perfectly understandable on a human level: People are losing out on pay through no real fault of their own, forcing many families to ask how they're going to pay for rent or needed medical care. The unfairness is particularly rankling for the 10,000 air traffic controllers who're being forced to work a demanding, crucial job without being paid.

And yet none of that very real pain erases the fact that we are seeing an incredible outpouring of grief over something private sector workers have to contend with everyday, and who are not guaranteed backpay once the federal government gets itself together. Worse still, this charity is being directed at people whose current jobs—pay or no—are often unnecessary, ineffectual, or even actively harmful.

That's true of the FBI agents, who're fretting that they're less able to entrap people during the shutdown thanks to their snitches having been furloughed.

It's even more true for TSA agents, who are both incredibly ineffectual even when they're being paid in full (the agency's fail rate at catching contraband hovers somewhere between 80 and 95 percent) and whose job requires the violation of the flying public's privacy and dignity on a daily basis.

To be sure, forcing people to work without pay is a pretty messed up thing to do, even if the underlying job is bogus.

Nevertheless, the solution we should be embracing isn't restoring these professional molesters' compensation to 100 percent, but rather to fire all of them, and turn over security to more capable, less handsy private contractors—or, in the case of bureaucrats at the Department of Education, abandoning the work they do altogether.

Instead, the hyper-partisan attitudes the government shutdown has evoked have seen an increasing number of people lionize them, while ignoring a more fundamental question of whether some of these workers should be on the federal payroll in the first place.

Public sector unions are trying to recast an attack on workers everywhere, while labor activists argue in the opinion pages of The New York Times that TSA agents could kickstart a new wave of working class activism. Over at The Seattle Times, columnist Danny Westneat wonders aloud if "the humble TSA agent" could be the key to saving democracy.

The contrast between this near deification of TSA agents and the reality of their jobs is glaring, and hopefully short-lived. Nevertheless, it servers as a reminder of just how overtly political—and misplaced—all the thoughts, prayers, and free pizza flowing toward federal workers really are.


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Well, it was fun while it lasted.

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Lies that resulted in a ONE term POTUS.

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Trump can get the wall built without the Demorat Socialists and I bet he will. Here is an article about how he can do it from CNN (communist news network). I hope it is not some of their fake news.

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White House preparing draft national emergency order, has identified $7 billion for wall

By Priscilla Alvarez and Tammy Kupperman, CNN

Updated 5:57 PM ET, Thu January 24, 2019


Washington (CNN)The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route, according to internal documents reviewed by CNN.
Trump has not ruled out using his authority to declare a national emergency and direct the Defense Department to construct a border wall as Congress and the White House fight over a deal to end the government shutdown. But while Trump's advisers remain divided on the issue, the White House has been moving forward with alternative plans that would bypass Congress.

"The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency," a draft of a presidential proclamation reads.

"Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States," the draft adds.

The draft was updated as recently as last week, a US government official told CNN.

According to options being considered, the administration could pull: $681 million from Treasury forfeiture funds, $3.6 billion in military construction, $3 billion in Pentagon civil works funds, and $200 million in Department of Homeland Security funds, the official said.
As lawmakers discussed a short-term measure to fund the government Thursday, Trump again raised the prospect of other ways to fund a border wall without congressional approval.
"I have other alternatives if I have to and I'll use those alternatives if I have to," he told reporters.
"A lot of people who wants this to happen. The military wants this to happen. This is a virtual invasion of our country," Trump said.
The Defense Department referred a request for comment from CNN to the White House.
If the declaration is made, the US Army Corps of Engineers would be deployed to construct the wall, some of which could be built on private property and would therefore require the administration to seize the land, which is permitted if it's for public use.

The administration's plans acknowledge the possibility for lawsuits if they move forward with acquiring private property. The documents also reflect a sense of urgency with administration plans, noting that environmental reviews can be skipped and DHS can use waivers to bypass contracting laws.
If the President proceeds with the declaration, it'll likely be challenged in court and by Democrats in Congress, as critics have argued that Trump cannot use the national emergency authority to free up taxpayer funds and build the border wall he has long promised his political supporters.
The question of legality and court challenges is still one of the main hang-ups in using executive action to secure the wall funding. Trump's advisers have cautioned that taking that route would lead to certain legal challenge, meaning the wall construction would still be delayed.
The draft document cites Title 10 of the US Code, which allows Trump to unlock a stash of Pentagon funds that are earmarked but have no signed contracts for spending that money. That would give the President authority to pull from military construction funds and civil works projects, like infrastructure repair projects.
Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, tweeted earlier this month that acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, "assured Texans that he understood the deep concerns about using Harvey relief funds for the border." CNN previously reported that the Pentagon was asked to provide a list of those projects in anticipation of a national emergency.
The Pentagon has assisted the Department of Homeland Security in the past. For example, the Army Corps of Engineers, a federal agency within DOD that provides public engineering services, has helped evaluate prototypes of the border wall.

Options under consideration conceded that acquiring private property would take time. Even if voluntary, the land could take up to a year to be acquired. Land condemnation cases are known to take time because property owners have the right to sue. A national emergency declaration would not speed that process up, a government official says.

Customs and Border Protection has said that it would consider eminent domain in the future.
"It is always CBP's preference to acquire property through a voluntary, negotiated sale. The Government will attempt to negotiate an offer to sell using survey data and value estimates gleaned from the surveying process," reads an excerpt in a border wall Q&A on their site. "The Government will attempt to negotiate an offer to sell before moving forward with exercising eminent domain. However, if the Government and landowner are unable to reach a negotiated sale or if the Government is unable to obtain clean title, the Government will need to file an eminent domain action."

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi says there is still no plan for the State of the Union:

"What I'd said to the President is when government is open, we will discuss a mutually agreeable date"

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— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 25, 2019


Pelosi reportedly made a remark that Trump just learned the hard way that NO One F's with her. I'd love to see someone take a axe handle to her and chuck the shmuck's head...literally.

Did any of you see the speech by Sen. Cruz? He laid out exactly what the dems are doing. He was not being political. Everything he said was an indisputable, documented fact. For one in 2013 EVERY democrap voted to fund 345 miles of border wall. Trump asked for 247 miles and was told not one inch. And since Dec. there have been at least 3 bills put forward that would have funded the gov without additional funding for a wall..all that was asked was for the dems to promise to negotiate at a later date. Every one was voted down by the left.

Trump made it clear today that he has bent over backwards to negotiate with these assholes and that they have 3 weeks to come to the table or he has other options. The best way to hang the dems is to give them enough rope to do the job themselves.

And...if the people actually want the wall, then we need to get off our ass, support the President and apply a massive amount of pressure on kongress.

What happened to all those militias who were pulling border security 10 or 15 years ago??? Time to get back to work.

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Black Caucus Chair: Pelosi Should Give SOTU Since She’s ‘Running the Country’

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25 Jan 2019

After President Donald Trump agreed on Friday to open the government for three weeks, Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) should just give the State of the Union address “since she’s obviously the one running the country.”

.@SpeakerPelosi should give the State of the Union since she's obviously the one running the country.

— Congressmember Bass (@RepKarenBass) January 25, 2019

Pelosi cancelled Tuesday’s State of the Union address and said on Friday, after Trump decided to open the government on Democrats’ terms, that she and Trump still have to “discuss a mutually agreeable date.”

“The State of the Union is not planned now,” Pelosi said when asked if there will be a State of the Union address on Tuesday. “What I said to the president is when the government is open we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and I’ll look forward to doing that and welcoming the president to the House of Representatives for the State of the Union when we agree on that.”

SOTU on Tuesday? Pelosi doesn't seem to think so: pic.twitter.com/ERpaCFrPM0

— Evan McMurry (@evanmcmurry) January 25, 2019

Pelosi indicated that the State of the Union address will occur only after the government is permanently open. Trump, though, warned that he is willing to shut down the government again on February 15 if he does not get a “fair deal from Congress.”

“If we don’t get a fair deal from Congress, the government either shuts down on February 15th again or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency,” Trump said on Friday.



White House Drafting $7 Billion National Emergency Draft Wall Plan


24 Jan 2019Washington, DC

The White House is preparing a much-anticipated plan to have President Donald Trump declare a national emergency at the southern border, CNN reported Thursday evening.

The report stated that under the draft plan, more than $7 billion could be allocated to build a barrier at the U.S. southern border. CNN cited what it claimed was a portion of the draft presidential proclamation, “The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency.”

The report cited more of what it said was wording included in a version of the draft that a U.S. official told the outlet was updated at least last week, “Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States.”

Funds broken down would come from four places, according to the official cited in the report: $3.6 billion from military construction funds,$3 billion from Pentagon civil works funds, $681 million from Treasury forfeiture funds, and $200 million from the Department of Homeland Security.

President Trump has repeatedly expressed that he could declare a state of emergency at the southern border and release funds to build a border barrier and secure the border. He has also said repeatedly that he would rather not accomplish the task by exercising that option.

Work on the barrier would be done by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, according to the report.

Thursday marked the 34th day of a partial government shutdown, as Democrat congressional leadership has refused to negotiate on the president’s request of $5.7 billion to fund a small portion of wall or barrier and for border security on the southern border.

Michelle Moons is a White House Correspondent for Breitbart News — follow on Twitter @MichelleDiana and Facebook


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Not many people are stating the obvious - Trump caved. Pelosi and Schumer won this round. President Trump is good at salvaging wins, but I don't know how he's going to do it this time.

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I'm not taking up for Trump; but I'm not so sure he caved. Trump has repeatedly asked them to negotiate, offered them concessions offered them things they've demanded in the past...all to no avail. They refuse every time. Said they would not negotiate anything until the gov. was funded. Well they got what they wanted. I wonder what their lame excuse will be in 3 weeks when the gov. is shut down again.

The Dems have the media in their back pocket and the public is clueless. All they know is what cnn tells them to think...which is "Hate Tump it's all his fault." Pelosi and the schmuck are all over the media bragging about how they won this round.

You can win a battle yet still loose the war.

Trump has made it clear that he does not want to be forced to declare an emergency; but that he has the authority to exercise that option as a last resort. Plans are already in the works.


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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
I'm not taking up for Trump; but I'm not so sure he caved. Trump has repeatedly asked them to negotiate, offered them concessions offered them things they've demanded in the past...all to no avail. They refuse every time. Said they would not negotiate anything until the gov. was funded. Well they got what they wanted. I wonder what their lame excuse will be in 3 weeks when the gov. is shut down again.

The Dems have the media in their back pocket and the public is clueless. All they know is what cnn tells them to think...which is "Hate Tump it's all his fault." Pelosi and the schmuck are all over the media bragging about how they won this round.

You can win a battle yet still loose the war.

Trump has made it clear that he does not want to be forced to declare an emergency; but that he has the authority to exercise that option as a last resort. Plans are already in the works.


I am in agreement regarding "not caving," and winning a battle yet losing the war. Something big is in the works.


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I fear we live in evil times...
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Maybe Trump does have something up his sleeve, but I don't know what it would be. If he declares and emergency, it will be tied up in courts for the rest of his term. And frankly, it would be best if he DOES lose in the courts.

If he declares and "emergency" and wins, it would set an awful precedent. if all a president has to do is declare an "emergency," there would be literally nothing a president can't do. Want to close down all nuclear power plants? A future president could declare a potential nuclear disaster an "emergency" and order them all shut down. Or suppose a future president declares a "climate change emergency" and shuts down all coal fired plants. Or suppose a future president declares a "healthcare emergency" and unilaterally orders medicare for everyone. There would be nothing to stop him.

Frankly, I don't give a crap about the wall. But I do give a crap about limiting the powers of the president and congress. If Trump does have something up his sleeve, I really hope it isn't a declaration of emergency, because he just might win. And if he does, we all lose.

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Every president since FDR has declared some kind of emergency. They do it all the time. Securing our border to prevent invasion is one prerogative that the president most definitely has the authority to exercise as CIC. Like I keep saying, Trump said he does NOT want to declare a state of emergency, but will do so if Congress refuses to act or negotiate. Even Joel Skouson said he wasn't in favor of emergency powers. But in this case, Trump should tell Congress to screw itself and bypass them.


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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
Every president since FDR has declared some kind of emergency....


True, but this one is quite a bit different. He would be using a declaration of emergency to appropriate funds that Congress never authorized, or authorized for another purpose entirely. In this case, he would be using funds from the Department of Defense for something completely different. (Contrary to what people keep saying, unlawful immigration is not an armed invasion. It is not even a crime, it is a civil violation.) Worse, it would authorize the taking of private property through eminent domain with little or even no compensation.

I hope he is only using the declaration of emergency as a threat. But if Pelosi and Schumer call his bluff - which I fear they will - this could be very bad news.

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Time to build a or the wall around DC and fill it with poison gas. I am so god damn sick of hearing these treasonous criminals Jack their jaws.

Kill every last one of them.


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True, but this one is quite a bit different. He would be using a declaration of emergency to appropriate funds that Congress never authorized, or authorized for another purpose entirely. In this case, he would be using funds from the Department of Defense for something completely different. (Contrary to what people keep saying, unlawful immigration is not an armed invasion. It is not even a crime, it is a civil violation.) Worse, it would authorize the taking of private property through eminent domain with little or even no compensation.

I hope he is only using the declaration of emergency as a threat. But if Pelosi and Schumer call his bluff - which I fear they will - this could be very bad news.

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The hell you say air force. Illegally crossing the US border is a crime. You are either brainwashed or crazy if you think it is just a civil violation. Why don't you just move 30 illegal aliens into your home with you since you are welcoming them? You would probably get a serious communicable disease from them. I'll bet you voted for the Obomination aka Barry from Chicago the known homosexual and that Bull Dyke Crooked Hillary. The drug cartels and Al-Qaeda Mooslems do come across the Mexican border armed so it is an armed invasion and a national security threat. Trump can declare it a national emergency and can use Department of Defense funds to build the wall to secure our southern border. The citizens along the border will be glad to sell off as much as needed of their nearly worthless unsecured land along the border for top dollar.

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Trump Vows To Move Forward On Wall In 21 Days — Deal Or Not

'This was in no way a concession,' says president



By Zero Hedge Saturday, January 26, 2019

Friday’s agreement between President Trump and Congressional Democrats to reopen the government for three weeks has been celebrated by gloating Democrats, and panned by Trump’s base. The temporary deal will pay roughly 800,000 federal employees who were set to miss their second paychecks on Friday, while negotiations over Trump’s wall will occur over the next 21 days. Federal workers will receive backpay as part of the deal.

Fending off a wave of criticism from the right, Trump defended his decision over Twitter – tweeting that the deal was “taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown,” and that “in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!” – implying that he would declare a national emergency and divert federal funds towards building the wall if an agreement can’t be reached.

In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing https://t.co/dMaDfBOIuT

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) January 26, 2019

On Saturday Trump tweeted: “21 days goes very quickly. Negotiations with Democrats will start immediately. Will not be easy to make a deal, both parties very dug in,” adding “The case for National Security has been greatly enhanced by what has been happening at the Border & through dialogue. We will build the Wall!”

21 days goes very quickly. Negotiations with Democrats will start immediately. Will not be easy to make a deal, both parties very dug in. The case for National Security has been greatly enhanced by what has been happening at the Border & through dialogue. We will build the Wall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

We have turned away, at great expense, two major Caravans, but a big one has now formed and is coming. At least 8000 people! If we had a powerful Wall, they wouldn’t even try to make the long and dangerous journey. Build the Wall and Crime will Fall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

Perhaps Trump should point out that if civil war breaks out in Venezuela, millions of refugees will also need a place to call home. Perhaps Soros would help out with Caribbean NGO taxis to Florida.

“We absolutely need a physical barrier or Wall, whatever you want to call it. The President yesterday laid all that out. We need to do it all, including the Wall. I provided the same information to the previous administration, & it was ignored.” Mark Morgan, Border Chief for “O”!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

Trump faced intense backlash from his base after “caving” on Friday – perhaps most prominently from conservative pundit Ann Coulter, who savaged the President over Twitter – and then on “Real Time With Bill Maher” Friday night.

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 25, 2019

“I promise you the country would be run much better if I had a veto over what Donald Trump is doing. It’s crazy that I expect a president to keep the promise he made every day for 18 months,” Coulter told Maher.

Tough day for Mammoth. It’s now the 2nd biggest cave in the world. #trumpcaved pic.twitter.com/X9AgcA2XWP

— Brian (@Teacher731) January 25, 2019

Others defended Trump, suggesting that Trump has things under control:

He didn’t cave, it’s a strategy. He’s going to sign a temp bill that will fund the gov for 2-3 weeks. That allows him to make the State of the Union address. When we still don’t have the wall funding, he will declare a state of emergency for the wall.

— nsering (@nsering) January 25, 2019

Mike.

He set up the board.

1. State of Union (something is planned)
2. Failure to negotiate will be Nancy & Chuck
3. He stepped back, let everyone off hook and looks like benevolent father

This is a classic.

— John (@John7Istheman) January 25, 2019


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Originally Posted by Texas Resistance
[quote=airforce]...The citizens along the border will be glad to sell off as much as needed of their nearly worthless unsecured land along the border for top dollar.


Many of them would be happy to sell for top dollar, and some won't. But that's not what they're going to be offered. In fact, under a "state of emergency," the government doesn't have to pay them anything.

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8 U.S. Code § 1325. Improper entry by alien

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.


But now let's get to the heart of the matter. If President Trump prevails in court on this matter, what would prevent President Kamala Harris from declaring a "gun violence emergency" and outlawing the possession of Ar-15's? In fact, what would prevent a future president of nullifying the Second Amendment and confiscating all firearms? President Lincoln used a state of emergency to suspend habeas corpus, what is to prevent a future president of doing the same?

The answer is, nothing. If a president can have unlimited power simply by the stroke of a pen, then he has unlimited power. None of us want that.

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For ALL the laid off FEDS looking for sympathy.

It is in the Dictionary in between 'shit' and 'syphilis'!!!!

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Had I been Trump, after thirty days I would have started laying off the furloughed workers. Either that would bring the Democrats around to negotiating, or it wouldn't. But at least we would have cut the federal payroll a little bit.

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The entire shutdown only reduced federal spending by 7%.

Seven percent.

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Mulvaney: Trump to Secure Border ‘With or Without Congress’
Safety of American people president's first priority, he says



President Trump will secure the border, whether through Congress or a national emergency, according to White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

“At the end of the day, the president is going to secure the border one way or another,” Mulvaney said on “Fox News Sunday.”

“We have been hoping for months to do it through legislation with Democrats because that’s the right way for the government to function, but at the end of the day the president’s commitment is to defend the nation, and he’ll do it either with or without Congress,” he said.

Ultimately, he said, Trump hopes he doesn’t have to shut down the government again.

“It’s not a desired end,” he said.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The one thing we learned from this shutdown? We have a whole lot of federal employees we don't need. Let's have another shutdown - and this time, Trump, don't bring them back.

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The theatrical federal government semi-shutdown is now over, or at least on hiatus, while the dominant political tribes in D.C. take a break from posturing to pay a few bills. And, I admit, I'm honestly sad to see the end of an inconvenience to government workers. Even as media pundits lamented the plight of federal employees waiting on delayed paychecks, it became increasingly obvious that many of their tasks are unnecessary, better performed by the private sector, or downright dangerous.

Illustrating the theatrical and unnecessary nature of much of the shutdown was a story in my local paper about National Park Service rangers fining "trespassers" at sites including the Montezuma Well Indian ruins. The sites were closed because 22 employees were furloughed and "volunteers also can't return to work" (because reasons, I suppose). But Montezuma Well is free to enter and the small ranger station there is often unstaffed. The four officers still patrolling may well be the most official activity the place has seen.

Unlike patrolling locations that are frequently unguarded, air traffic control is a job that needs to be done. So it was troubling when the Federal Aviation Administration announced that unpaid federally employed controllers were calling in sick, creating delays at airports. But why are we dependent on the government for air traffic control?

After all, an important recent report from the U.S. Department of Transportation's own Inspector General pointed out that Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, and France "commercialized their air traffic operations via independent air navigation service providers" that "are financially self-supporting."
The report added that the United States could learn from their experience.

The various foreign approaches studied in the report range from government-owned corporations to for-profit partnerships. All the operations are funded independent of government taxes and appropriations, meaning that they can continue functioning through the overseas equivalents of the Trump-Pelosi show.

Unsurprisingly, the airline trade association, Airlines for America, supports privatization. Industry analysts say their cause got a big boost from the shutdown.

Of less concern, air travel-wise, was the growing absentee rate among TSA workers as their paychecks failed to materialize. Sure, it sucks to work for delayed compensation. But nobody conscripted them into government service—they took those jobs of their own accord. And they're very, very bad at what they do.

"Undercover investigators were able to smuggle mock explosives or banned weapons through checkpoints in 95 percent of trials," ABC News reported in 2015.

Of travel safety, security expert Bruce Schneier says "the two things that have made flying safer since 9/11 are reinforcing the cockpit doors and persuading passengers that they need to fight back. Everything beyond that isn't worth it."


"The relationship between the public and the TSA has become too poisonous to be sustained," admits the agency's former administrator, Kip Hawley.

TSA workers do excel, though, at abusing opportunities to rob, grope, and harass travelers.

Harassment, of course, is a core responsibility for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Like too many law enforcement agencies, they largely exist to stop people from doing what they have every right to do—in their cases, to interfere with people's right to self-medicate and to possess the means for self-defense.

Also like too many law enforcement agencies, these two federal bureaucracies have an unpleasant record of misbehavior. The ATF is frequently guilty of "rogue tactics," as the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel put it, and has lost many of its own firearms while trying to regulate those belonging to the public. The DEA has a history of brutality, partying with criminals, and occasionally trafficking in contraband itself.

I find it equally difficult to feel sorrow over the FBI's complaints about shutdown-induced difficulty in paying snitches and buying drugs in stings (no word yet on how the cash crunch affected the bureau's domestic surveillance operations or its campaign against private encryption).
Given the bureau's checkered and politicized record, anything that slows it down should provide plenty of Americans with a feeling of relief.

Speaking of a cash crunch, is anybody really sorry that IRS employees suffered some financial discomfort from the sort-of government shutdown? That is, I'll point out, the type of experience they specialize in inflicting on others. Besides, it may not be such a bad thing if the nation's tax collectors fell a bit behind in their role as political weapons wielded by the powerful against their enemies.

Commenting on soldiers who enlist to fight in imperialist wars, the philosopher Herbert Spencer once remarked, "When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don't care if they are shot themselves."

By comparison, it doesn't seem excessive to me to refuse to shed tears over temporary financial inconveniences for government workers whose jobs, in all too many cases, pose threats to life, liberty, and property.

No, the experience of working while waiting on a delayed paycheck isn't pleasant for anybody. But the private sector is also hiring, and it's perfectly capable of taking over many of the actually necessary jobs that government does. Given the nasty, intrusive, and abusive nature of so much of the rest of what occupies the government's time, we should be happy to see it go unfunded.

Many of the tasks done by government, it turns out, are better done by somebody else. And many of the rest are best not done at all.


Onward and upward,
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Airforce, illegal entry into the US is a crime even though you also quoted a civil penalty for it.
8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275..."For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. .."

Airforce you asked,
"...If President Trump prevails in court on this matter, what would prevent President Kamala Harris from declaring a "gun violence emergency" and outlawing the possession of Ar-15's? In fact, what would prevent a future president of nullifying the Second Amendment and confiscating all firearms? President Lincoln used a state of emergency to suspend habeas corpus, what is to prevent a future president of doing the same?..."

What will prevent any president from doing this the 2nd Amendment and militiamen.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Gun confiscation will never be tolerated by gun owners and militias. Without the 2nd Amendment and armed citizens the rest of the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on.

Militiamen realize, as did the founding fathers who threw off the tyranny of the British; that our rights come directly from God himself who is a higher authority than any government. On April 19, 1775 when government troops marched on Lexington and Concord to begin gun confiscation it was militiamen who stopped them firing the shot against tyranny that was heard around the world which started the United States of America. Militias would stop tyranny again.

Gun ownership is not negotiable.

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It becomes a crime when they try it a second time. And in practice, if they are caught, they're never prosecuted unless it's in conjunction with another crime. And even then it's rare, I've never seen anyone prosecuted for illegal entry here in Tulsa. They're just simply sent back, to try it again.

Personally, i don't have any strong feelings about the wall one way or the other - except that, at about $22,000 per foot, it's going to be the most expensive wall in history. What I do care about is that, if the courts allow this, it will set an awful precedent for the next president. the Constitution was supposed to place real limitations on what Congress and the President can do. If this is approved, there would literally be no limitations on the President diverting funds from something Congress approved, to something they didn't. You say gun ownership is not negotiable? tell that to citizens in California, or New jersey, or New York, or Chicago. And Trump's previous positions on the Second Amendment shows that he is, shall we say, flexible on gun rights.

But it doesn't have to be guns. Imagine the damage a future president can do, simply by declaring a "climate change emergency" or a "healthcare emergency." This really, really is not a road we want to go down.

Maybe cooler heads will prevail and we won't have to worry about it. But I'm not holding my breath.

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Airforce, you're inadvertently making my point. Trump has stated repeatedly that he does NOT want nor prefer to declare a state of emergency. Said he wanted to work with congress to come up with a solution. He's given them numerous opportunities to negotiate...offered them things they wanted and demanded in the past...asked for LESS money than they voted for in 2013. The dems have shown their true colors every single time. They are obstructionists who have NO intention to negotiate ANYTHING. They get everything they want and everyone else gets nothing, NADA.

According to one gov report the shutdown has already cost taxpayers 11 billion. If the dems were so concerned with wasting taxpayers money they wouldn't have shut the gov. down in the first place. This is all about political theater and control for them. They don't give a damn about what's good for the country.

Matt Bracken just posted an article that perfectly sums up the situation were in. I'll post it in the SitRep asap and I want everyone to read it carefully.


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Yes, to his credit Trump doesn't want to declare an emergency. I don't know if his objection to it is over constitutional grounds, or because he knows it will be tied up in the courts for a couple years, but he clearly doesn't want to do it. if he did, he would have done so already. And saving money has never been a very high priority for the Democrats, or anyone else in Washington.

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Here are two ideas Trump should consider if he can't get a wall. In fact, if he were to abandon the wall and pivot now, he could keep his base AND take away ammunition from Pelosi and Schumer. Stephen Miller would be fired or quit, and Ann Coulter would be none too happy, but take a look at these ideas and see how you like them:

1. Alex Nowrasteh at Cato has proposed creating a new visa category, the "gold card." After paying a tariff or tax, visa holders would be able to live and work legally in the U.S. Citizenship would not be an option. Tariff rates might vary by age and education, so that all visa holders would make a net positive contribution. This would give the government additional funds to go after real criminals.

2. The IDEAL (Immigration Designed to Enhance Lives) policy. Two million visas would be handed out each year, a mix of five-year visas at $25,000 each and one-year visas at $2,500 each. The former is mostly for high-tech workers, the latter for low=skilled and seasonal work. The fees might seem high, but they are actually quite low compared to the huge fees high-tech companies have to pay for H1B visas, and the bureaucratic hoops that real estate developers and landscape companies have to go through to obtain workers. This plan is estimated to bring in $70 billion annually, more than enough for a wall, or to make up for any negative impact of immigration.

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