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Pelosi Says She Will Keep “Government Closed Forever” Rather Than Fund Trump’s Wall

“I know he doesn't believe in government."

By Steve Watson | Infowars.com Friday, December 14, 2018

Addressing the media Thursday, Nancy Pelosi vowed that she will not negotiate border wall funding and would rather keep the “government closed forever”.

Pelosi told the media that she is confident that President Trump will eventually sign a bill excluding his requested border wall funding “because does he want to have government closed forever?”

“I mean, what’s this about? I know he doesn’t believe in government, I know that he doesn’t know that much about what is at risk to shut it down, but I think that it would be — and let’s not talk about what might happen,” Pelosi said.

“Let’s talk about what we can do right now to keep government open. There is strong bipartisan support to do that. The only obstacle is the president of the United States.” She added.

Congress has to pass an appropriations bill to fund the government before the end of the year, otherwise there will be a partial government shutdown.

Trump said earlier in the week that he would be “proud to shut down the government for border security,” insisting that Democrats fund the wall.

TRUMP to SCHUMER: “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. People in this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country” pic.twitter.com/E8CRW9k7pe

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) December 11, 2018

The President also released a video Thursday, slamming the “hypocrite” Democrats, who previously supported strong borders, saying that they are only now opposing border wall funding due to oppose his presidency.

Let’s not do a shutdown, Democrats – do what’s right for the American People! pic.twitter.com/bZg07ZKQqo

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

“The Democrats are absolute hypocrites. All along they’ve been supporting walls, and supporting fences and supporting all sorts of border security,” Trump said, before airing clips of Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama pledging to crack down on illegal immigration.

“The fact is they’ve always supported fences, and walls and partitions, but you know what? They only don’t want to do it because of me. They have to put the people ahead of politics,” Trump added.

Earlier this week, Border Patrol Union Vice President Art Del Cueto slammed Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for their actions at the White House meeting.

“Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, they can come down here and help us patrol the border and I’ll show them how difficult and how dangerous it really is, and how that wall makes a difference.” Del Cueto said.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Wow. She does have a brain cell.

You go Nancy, close it up.


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Promises, promises. But sadly, only a few agencies will actually be shut down. If Nancy and Donald really want to gain my respect, they should shut it all down.

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‘On to the Senate’ — Donald Trump Celebrates House Victory for Border Security Funding Bill


20 Dec 2018

President Donald Trump celebrated the passage of a government funding bill that included an additional $5.7 billion in border security funds.

“Thank you to our GREAT Republican Members of Congress for your VOTE to fund Border Security and the Wall,” Trump wrote about the vote, in which House Republicans passed the bill with a 217-185 vote.

Trump reminded future Speaker Nancy Pelosi that she mistakenly claimed last week that a bill with more border security funding would not pass the House.

“You will not win,” Pelosi said during a meeting with Trump in the Oval Office. “The fact is you do not have the votes in the House.”

Trump replied, “Nancy, I do.”

The results proved Pelosi wrong by a 32 vote majority.

“Nancy does not have to apologize,” Trump wrote. “All I want is GREAT BORDER SECURITY!”

He reveled in the enthusiasm shown by House Republicans, despite their preparations for losing their majority in the House in 2019.

“[M]any have said that the enthusiasm was greater than they have ever seen before,” he wrote. “So proud of you all. Now on to the Senate!”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer defied the victory in the House, insisting that it had no chance of passing in the Senate.

“Everyone knows it can’t pass the Senate,” he said. “It’s a cynical attempt to just hurt innocent people and do just what President Trump wants even though they probably know it’s bad for the country.”

The Senate will take up the bill on Friday for a vote. Senate Democrats plan to oppose the bill, which would send the government into a partial government shutdown.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Sadly, only about half a dozen federal agencies will be shut down. But it's a start.

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Trump Promises “Very Long” Gov Shutdown If Wall Not Funded


Prez meeting with Senate GOP, Dems not invited


By Infowars.com Friday, December 21, 2018

President Trump said the government shutdown will happen if Democrats in the Senate do not vote for funding the US-Mexico border wall.

Trump warns that the “very long” shutdown will be entirely on them as both parties are locked in a negotiation stalemate, according to CNBC:

Parts of the government will close if Congress cannot pass seven spending bills by midnight Friday. As of the morning, lawmakers appeared far from breaking an impasse over whether to fund the barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border.

House Republicans passed a bill Thursday night to keep the government running through Feb. 8 and put more than $5 billion toward the president’s wall. The Senate is expected to vote on, and reject, the legislation after it convenes at noon on Friday.

The GOP-controlled chamber already passed a temporary funding measure without wall money. Democrats, whose votes are needed to reach the necessary 60 in the Senate, have repeatedly said they will not approve funds for the barrier. Republicans hold a 51-49 majority.

Correspondingly, Trump set up a meeting with the Senate GOP while giving Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell the green light to use the “nuclear option” against the Dems, Washington Times reports:

President Trump is set to meet Friday with Senate Republicans ahead of a vote that could partially shut down the government over border security funding, the White House said.

“President Trump will meet with Senate Republicans this morning at 10:30 to discuss the Funding Bill and the importance of Border Security,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement.

Missing from the meeting are Senate Democrats who have vowed to oppose additional spending on border security.

Additionally, the government shutdown may happen as a new poll reveals that polarization in politics has reached levels that makes any compromise unlikely.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Uh Oh – Food Stamp Money Will Run Out By The End Of January If The Government Shutdown Lasts That Long

If this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps

By Michael Snyder Thursday, December 27, 2018

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.

And it certainly looks like this shutdown could last for quite a while, because President Trump is not backing down on his demand for border wall funding, and the Democrats have pledged not to give him a single penny. So a few weeks from now, approximately 38 million people could be suddenly cut off from the food stamp program. If that scenario were to unfold, there is no telling what could happen. After just a few days, government workers are already freaking out about having their paychecks delayed. If people are getting this restless already, what will things look like when tens of millions of Americans are suddenly cut off from their primary source of food money?

Even though the government has been shut down, the Department of Agriculture still has some existing financial resources at their disposal, and they are assuring us that those enrolled in the food stamp program will still receive their benefits “for January”. The following comes from CNN…

Eligible households will still receive monthly SNAP benefits for January. But other domestic nutrition assistance programs such as the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, WIC, and the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations will only be operational based on available resources. Additional federal funds and commodities will not be provided during the shutdown.

Child nutrition programs including School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk will continue through February.

The mainstream media is blaming this shutdown entirely on President Trump, and that gives the Democrats a tremendous amount of leverage. The longer this shutdown lasts, the more painful it will become for ordinary Americans, and once food stamp funds run out the pressure on President Trump to surrender will be immense.

Will Trump be able to keep going once tens of millions of Americans are yelling and screaming about having their food stamp benefits cut off?

For now, the Department of Agriculture will attempt to keep things going for as long as possible “using existing resources”.

But those “existing resources” will not last for very long.

And things are already changing. At this point, approximately 95 percent of all federal workers involved with the food stamp program have been furloughed…

As the government shutdown drags into its fifth day, nearly all employees in the office overseeing federal food stamps have been cut.

As of Wednesday morning, the remaining staff dwindled down to a mere 5 percent.

We have never seen food stamp benefits cut off nationwide before. So we actually don’t have any frame of reference for what could happen.

Could we see the type of civil unrest and rioting that I warned about in The Beginning Of The End? When people are hungry, they get desperate pretty quickly. And history has shown that when people don’t know where their next meal is going to come from they can get quite violent.

And even without the government shutdown, President Trump was planning to knock millions of people off of the food stamp program anyway by tightening work requirements…

If Congress won’t make more food stamp recipients work for their benefits, the Trump administration will.

The US Department of Agriculture unveiled a proposed rule Thursday that would expand work requirements in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, as the food stamp program is formally known. The proposal comes on the same day as President Donald Trump plans to sign a farm bill that had a similar provision that was eventually eliminated.

So one way or another, a lot of people are soon going to lose their benefits.

Meanwhile, federal workers continue to freak out over this government shutdown. The following comes from a New York Times article entitled “Federal Workers, Some in ‘Panic Mode,’ Share Shutdown Fears on Social Media”…

A Department of Transportation worker in Missouri picked up cashier shifts at Barnes & Noble. A paralegal for the Justice Department in Texas stopped using her “gas-guzzling” pickup truck and pulled her motorcycle out of storage. An air traffic controller in California is avoiding any purchases that aren’t vital.

As you can see, the suffering is getting worse with each passing day.

What is next? Will we soon discover that some government workers have been forced to buy generic brands at the grocery store due to this never ending horror of a government shutdown?

But seriously, the longer this shutdown lasts, the more that people are going to complain.

And right now Trump does not appear to have any intention of giving in. When reporters asked him how long he is willing to wait, Trump responded by saying “whatever it takes”…

Funding for nine federal departments lapsed Saturday amid an impasse over whether to fund the president’s proposed border wall. As congressional leaders and the White House appear to make little progress toward a deal, the shutdown could last past Jan. 3, when Democrats take control of the House.

Asked Wednesday during a surprise visit to U.S. troops in Iraq how long he would wait to see his demands met, Trump responded: “Whatever it takes.” The comment suggests little willingness on the president’s part to back down as Democrats refuse to approve funds for the proposed barrier.

Of course Chuck Schumer has drawn a line in the sand and has pledged that he will never, ever allow Trump to have funding for a border wall.

And so we have a political game of chicken playing out right in front of our eyes, and the Democrats have absolutely no incentive to back down because the worse things get the better it will be for them politically.

At this point it is very easy to imagine a scenario in which this shutdown extends into February, and when food stamp benefits get cut off we could truly see a national temper tantrum unlike anything that we have ever seen before.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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This just keeps getting better and better. grin

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What I can't figure out is, why doesn't Trump and Pelosi just make a deal, the Dreamers for the Wall. it's not like Trump would be losing anything, he's never going to deport them all, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't really want to anyway.

The deal is just sitting there, looking obvious. Why doesn't someone make it?

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Regarding, "Uh Oh – Food Stamp Money Will Run Out By The End Of January If The Government Shutdown Lasts That Long"

Food stamp recipients need to get a job if they want to eat.

Holy Bible KJV 2nd Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.


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The Hill is reporting that Schumer is open to making a deal, but Nancy Pelosi isn't. This is from The Hill, so take it for what it's worth.

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Pelosi is desperate to regain her position as speaker of the house and afraid she'll loose it if she doesn't stand firm. Really doesn't matter. the Senate and Trump can override anything she does.


‘No Wall, No Deal’: Lindsey Graham Gives Ultimatum to House Minority Leader
Budget deal won't be reached without border wall funding, he says



By Sputnik Saturday, December 29, 2018

The ongoing struggle that US President Donald Trump is spearheading against the Congress to pass a bill securing $5.7 billion in funding for a US-Mexico border wall led the government into a partial shutdown on 21 December after the Senate failed to approve a budget bill.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham has issued an ultimatum to House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democrats in the lower house stating that the budget deal will not be reached unless it includes funding for the construction of the wall on the border with Mexico.

To Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats:

No Wall Money, No Deal.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 28, 2018

The tweet comes after Democratic leaders reportedly left the negotiating table on 27 December refusing to discuss ways of restoring government operations. Pelosi told reporters that she would rather leave the government in indefinite shutdown than agrees to fund Trump’s wall.

Some netizens were not happy about Graham’s ultimatum, as in their view, it will only prolong the government shutdown.

So nice to know you’re on the side of government workers going without pay

— Anne Donovan (@tango793_anne) December 29, 2018

Go ahead & explain to those who are furloughed, who can’t pay their mortgage/rent, who don’t have money to feed their families, that you are holding them hostage because you want money for a 13th century wall that you know very well will not get built. #ticktock

— Left Of Main Street (@LeftOfMainSt) December 29, 2018

Though some shifted the blame not to Democrats or Graham, but on the US president.

just admit the President is to blame for the shutdown over what amounts to a pet project that will not work. We still have dying children at the southern border, in Puerto Rico, in Flint Michigan and many other places here at home. Just say… pic.twitter.com/5mJacli6wt

— jane doe (@listenuprocket) December 29, 2018

Others suggested that the US should not blame the Democrats, but the Mexicans, who, in their opinion, should have paid for the wall.

Dems aren’t withholding wall money… Mexico is.

— Knit Wit 🧶 (@Knitwit500) December 29, 2018

If you want money for the Wall you should be shutting down the Mexican government. Bless your heart.

— David Richards (@David1960Tx) December 29, 2018

If you want money for the Wall you should be shutting down the Mexican government. Bless your heart.

— David Richards (@David1960Tx) December 29, 2018

Many Twitterians were supportive of Republicans, even suggesting possible compromises.

How about we meet them in the middle Lindsey. Get $2 billion for the wall, start building the beautiful thing, see if it is working in those areas and use the statistics for more funding down the road.

— Kevin Waines (@k_waines) December 29, 2018

Amen!

— AffordARide.com (@AffordARide) December 29, 2018


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Lindsey Graham just proposed nearly the same deal I talked about a few days ago. Of course, he didn't give me credit for the idea.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina on Sunday said a deal that combines $5 billion for President Trump’s border wall with an extension of legal status for “Dreamers” and people fleeing conflict or natural disasters back home could “save the day in the Senate” and reopen the government.

“We need to start talking again,” the Republican told CNN’s State of the Union. “To my Democratic friends: There will never be a deal without wall funding.”

He said in return, immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children should be eligible for legal status and authorization to work for three years under a bill he’s put forward with Sen. Richard Durbin, Illinois Democrat.

Persons living in the U.S. under Temporary Protected Status — for instance, persons fleeing civil war or hurricane wreckage — could also receive temporary, renewable status to stay in the country under the senator’s deal.


Mr. Graham said Democrats have supported border fencing in the past, so it should be an easy lift.

“The bottom line is everything I just outlined has been offered by each party before,” he said....


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Here's some more good news! If a deal isn't reached very soon, the FCC will shut down tomorrow. Let's keep this thing going!

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What is the "military version of eminent domain?" I don't know, but my gut tells me it ain't good.

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President Donald Trump says he's willing to use "the military version of eminent domain" to build his proposed wall on the U.S.–Mexico border. It's not exactly clear what he means by that.

Addressing reporters from the Rose Garden today, Trump kept pushing for his ill-advised border wall. But what if Congress refuses to acquiesce to his demand for $5 billion in funding? Why, he'd declare a national emergency "and build [the wall] very quickly," he said.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that he can do that, he'd run into another problem right away: The federal government owns less than one-third of the land on the southern border. The rest belongs to other entities, including states, Native American tribes, and private individuals. Most of the border land in Texas is private property.

Not a problem, said Trump: "You have to use eminent domain," he declared. That's when the government forces a property owner to sell, at a price set by the government. "If we had one person that wouldn't sell us...then we wouldn't be able to build proper border security because we'd have that big opening."

"I think it's a fair process," he added.

And what happens if Trump can't seize people's land with normal eminent domain? That's where the "military version" comes in:

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Trump floats the idea of using "the military version of eminent domain" to immediately seize privately owned land along border to build the wall
— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) January 4, 2019


As explained, "[Lawsuits are] not going to hold [the wall] up because under the military version of eminent domain and under, actually, homeland security we can do it before we even start."

Hopefully it doesn't look anything like this:

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Hey, look! It's "the military version of eminent domain"! pic.twitter.com/JQbk4eQHml
— Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) January 4, 2019


In all seriousness, federal law does allow for military department secretaries to "acquire any interest in land" if "the acquisition is needed in the interest of national defense." But defining building a wall on the southern border as an issue of national defense is a stretch.

It's also worth noting that calling for a "military version of eminent domain" may not be the best way for Trump to sell his wall to the American people. Polls already show that a majority of Americans oppose the project. Further reducing the due process available to border property holders is unlikely to increase that number.

But the president's fondness for eminent domain in all of its forms should be no surprise. Trump has benefited from eminent domain for decades as a real estate developer. Why would he stop now?


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Who's keeping Yellowstone open and clean during the shutdown? Private businesses. So why were we paying all those government employees in the first place?

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Nearly three weeks into the government shutdown, some of America's national parks are starting to get a bit rank. Access is free, since there are no employees to collect the typical $35-per-vehicle entrance fees, but that comes with the trade-off of there being no employees to empty trash bins or clean toilets either.

But at Yellowstone National Park, National Public Radio reports, local businesses are chipping in to make sure the bathrooms get cleaned, the roads get plowed, and the tourists keep coming. Even in the middle of winter, the park gets an estimated 20,000 visitors per month—and those hardy folks want to rent snowmobiles, hire tour guides, and take sightseeing trips. The private-sector businesses that thrive on those tourist dollars have a pretty strong incentive to make sure Yellowstone remains accessible.

Xanterra Parks and Resorts, which runs the only hotels inside Yellowstone that remain open during the winter, is leading the effort to cover the $7,500 daily tab for keeping the roads plowed and the snowmobile trails groomed during the shutdown, according to NPR. Thirteen other private businesses that offer tours of the park are chipping in $300 a day to help cover that expense.

Meanwhile, Xanterra has some of its own employees assigned to clean park bathrooms during the shutdown, and snowmobile tour guides are packing their own toilet paper for customers to use.

In all, it seems like a pretty straightforward lesson about how private businesses will respond to changing market conditions and incentives. While some of the business owners profiled by NPR suggest they are chipping in to keep the park open due to altruistic concerns—"it should be open, and services should be there, because it is the people's park," says one—the bottom line is likely the bottom line. Keeping the park accessible means those businesses can continue to profit off tourists, government shutdown or not.

That doesn't mean that altruistic motivations don't exist, of course. In Washington, D.C., a group of libertarians volunteered time on Saturday to clean up land that's usually maintained by the National Park Service. "It's an example of us practicing what we preach. We want the private sector to step up when government can't, so that's what we're doing here," Joseph Bishop-Henchman, chairman of the Libertarian Party of the District of Columbia, told local media.

Those efforts are praiseworthy, but ultimately less sustainable than the profit motive that's helping keep Yellowstone open.

Indeed, those profit motives exist with or without a government shutdown. According to the National Park Service, the 331 million visitors to national parks during 2017 contributed an estimated $18.2 billion to local economies within 60 miles of the parks. All that spending supported 306,000 jobs. The federal government spends about $3 billion on the National Park Service each year, but those private economies based in and around the parks is six times larger. That's a powerful incentive to keep things running even if the government isn't.

There's also probably a useful lesson here about what the privatization of national parks would look like. Rather than the corporatized dystopia of environmentalist nightmares, removing the government from the equation would allow businesses that have a vested interest in maintaining and protecting America's natural splendor to do exactly that—and would prevent the parks from being caught up in the unrelated drama of whatever nonsense is happening in Washington, D.C.


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Millions could face severe cuts to food stamps due to government shutdown

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January 7, 2019 / 9:54 AM / CBS News

The partial government shutdown glided into its third week Saturday with no end in sight. If the government is not reopened before February, millions of Americans who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) -- the nation's food stamp program — could have their assistance disrupted.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees SNAP at the federal level, is one of the agencies unfunded during the partial government shutdown. Although SNAP is automatically renewed, it has not been allocated funding from Congress beyond January. Congress has appropriated $3 billion in emergency funds for SNAP distribution, but that would not cover all of February's obligations.

In September 2018, the last month for which data is available, $4.7 billion in SNAP benefits were disbursed throughout every state. If the shutdown continues through March, there will be no remaining funding for SNAP, endangering food security for millions of Americans.

According to the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 42 million Americans received SNAP benefits in 2017. More than 68 percent of participants were in families with children, and more than 44 percent were in working families.

Other programs are in even more immediate danger than SNAP. The Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) are not receiving federal funds at all during the shutdown, but "can continue to operate at the State and local level with any funding and commodity resources that remain available," according to the USDA.

In the first five months of 2018, around 7 million Americans received WIC benefits each month. WIC is provided for pregnant, postpartum and breastfeeding women, infants, and children up to age 5 who fall within the poverty index and are at "nutritional risk." The WIC program granted nearly $5 billion to every U.S. state and territory in 2018, as of September.

Americans who benefit from both SNAP and WIC would be particularly affected in February.

Child Nutrition Programs, including School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk will continue operations through February, according to the USDA.

Staffing for Food and Nutrition Services, which oversees the Child Nutrition Programs, SNAP, and WIC, has been cut by 95 percent since the shutdown began.


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The welfare recipients need to go to work to feed themselves and their children. I'll bet socialist/communist democrats tell them to riot instead.


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There won't be any new beers for a while, because there are no government bureaucrats working to approve new beer labels. I'm not kidding.

The obvious question to ask is, why do we need some government agency to do that in the first place?

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Forget the wall...now we have a beer crisis. sick cry


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Before too long we may not have a TSA, either. Wouldn't that be tragic.

For what it's worth, that $5.7 billion will buy a lot less wall than you probably think - and will likely, due to cost overruns, end up costing a whole lot more.

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Social scientist Bent Flyvbjerg described the selection of government-funded infrastructure projects as “survival of the unfittest” because proponents of those projects systematically exaggerate the benefits and underestimate the costs. President Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico provides a striking example of this: A wall along the border with Mexico will likely cost about $59.8 billion to construct.

The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) recently sent a letter to Congress where it argued that $5.7 billion would pay for approximately 234 miles of a new physical steel barrier along the border. That new estimate comes to about $24.4 million per mile. This new OMB estimate is 41 percent more costly than the approximately $17.3 million per mile construction costs that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated just a few years ago, 2.7 times as expensive as Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan estimated, and 5 times as expensive as Trump’s lowest estimate.

Even worse, the $24.4 million per mile estimate does not include the large cost overruns for government construction projects. Applying a conservative 50 percent cost overrun estimate to building the border fence brings the total price tag to approximately $36.6 million per mile. Building a steel fence along the remaining 1,637 miles of Mexican border not covered by pedestrian fencing would cost approximately $59.8 billion, excluding any maintenance costs.

There are a few caveats about the above estimate.

First, the 50 percent cost overrun estimate is conservative. A small sample of large construction projects selected by my colleague Chris Edwards shows that cost overruns boost total project costs by an average of 3.3 fold. The cost of the border fence is thus very likely to be more than double what I estimate above.

Second, this estimate is for the steel bollard barrier and not a concrete wall. In other words, the currently proposed steel border fence is far cheaper than the concrete and steel wall originally proposed by President Trump. Making it out of concrete could more than double the price.

Third, our cost estimate does not include the low-ball $864,353 annual per mile cost of maintaining the current border fence – which is likely a lot less expensive than repairing the barrier that has been proposed by Trump.

Fourth, the OMB’s cost estimate per wall is more in line with previous Trump administration requests
than estimates made by organizations that are ideologically committed to building a wall regardless of the cost to taxpayers.

Since 2017, administration officials at the OMB have been relatively consistent in estimating that the government cost of building a border wall is around $24 million per mile. However, the incentives for and history of government agencies systematically underestimating the costs of government construction projects makes this the lowest possible estimate. If it is built for about $24.3 million per mile than it would be the first time that a large government construction project has come in at or below cost in a very long time.

The cost of the border wall keeps getting higher, the border wall keeps becoming less of a wall, and the administration keeps promising that it will cover less and less of the border. At this rate, President Trump might end his administration with less fencing than he began it.


More money, less wall, and no beer. And people wonder why I'm an anarchist.

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Are GOP congresscritters beginning to cave? This is from the Associated Press, so take it for what it's worth. But personally, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Republicans have a long, sorry history of cracking under pressure. (If you don't believe me, just look at ObamaCare.)

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Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, urged colleagues to approve spending bills that would reopen various agencies, “so that whether it’s the Department of the Interior or it is the IRS, those folks can get back to work. I’d like to see that.”

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, called the standoff “completely unnecessary and contrived. People expect their government to work. ... This obviously is not working.”

Trump was to get a personal sense of the concern —and perhaps questions about his strategy — from those in his own party at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

Like other Republicans, Sen. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said she wants border security. But she said there was “no way” the shutdown fight would drag on for years as Trump warned last week.

“I think certainly I have expressed more than a few times the frustrations with a government shutdown and how useless it is,” Capito said Tuesday. “That pressure is going to build.” (...)


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Democrats Can Fund the World, but Not the Wall

By Brian C. Joondeph

There is nothing like a government shutdown to illustrate clearly the priorities of the two opposing sides to the standoff. On one side is President Trump, keeping a campaign promise to build a wall, to keep crime, sex-trafficking, drugs, and terrorism, not to mention the unfunded burden of illegal aliens, out of America.

On the other side are the Democrats, hell-bent on keeping 25 percent of the government closed for business rather than funding border security, a concept they wholeheartedly supported a decade ago.

Who's winning and who's losing the battle? If you watch cable news, it's clear that the president is on the ropes, having backed himself into a corner. Reality sings a different tune. How did we get here?

Donald Trump, announcing his candidacy for president in June 2015, rode down the escalator at Trump Tower and said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." He went on, "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

These were among his first pronouncements that day and have been a constant theme of his rallies and tweets since then – including this tweet from a few days ago.

Democrats were once in favor of border security, too. Many, including Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. This provided for, "Operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."

Now, because it's 2019 and Trump is president, Democrats are conveniently against border security. This is a common theme of Democrats, frequently for something before they are against it. Remember John Kerry and the Iraq War?

The current fight is over a mere $5 billion in funding for a wall – or a "fence" if the term "wall" is offensive, but a physical barrier between two nations, controlling who and what traipses from one country to the other. The federal budget is $4.4 trillion, meaning wall funding represents about a tenth of a percent of the budget, a rounding error. What else are Nancy Pelosi and colleagues spending money on? How about foreign aid?

The 2019 federal budget requests nearly $27 billion in foreign aid for economic development, health, humanitarian assistance, peace and security, and other objectives. This is over half the cost of securing "[t]he entire international land and maritime borders of the United States" something Democrats were keen about in 2006.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 budgeted $50 billion over 25 years to control America's borders. Unfortunately, Congress appropriated only $1.4 billion and forgot about the rest. The foreign aid request above was for one single year. Two years of the foreign aid budget spent instead on U.S. border security would create the type of physical borders so common in the countries we are generously supporting.

Fund the world, but not America.

It's instructive to compare the current administration to the past one, since the media treat the last administration as the Second Coming and the current administration as the Fourth Reich.

In 2012, Congress appropriated $40 billion in foreign aid, a billion more than what was requested. In 2013, the amount went up to $43 billion appropriated. The following year, 2014, $42 billion was appropriated.

Let's look at what was actually spent on foreign aid in Barack Obama's final year of 2016: $31 billion total – more than half of what America needs to insure its own "peace and security."

Countries receiving American taxpayer largess include Pakistan, $687 million, the same country that provided sanctuary to Osama bin Laden. Seven point two billion dollars went to Afghanistan, with not much to show for it other than its opium products finding their way through our unsecure southern border.

Five hundred seventy million went to Syria, a country where I thought Obama was calling for regime change. Even China received $20 million. I thought China was our geopolitical and economic adversary! A few hundred million each went to most African countries, quickly adding up to the grand total of $31 billion.

This is not to say that all foreign aid is bad, as clearly, it is not. America is the most generous nation in the world. Much of our foreign aid is lifesaving. Much of it is also wasted or filling the Swiss bank accounts of foreign thug leaders – or worse, finding its way into the bank accounts of those who appropriated the money from the U.S. Treasury.

How else to explain members of Congress living in multimillion-dollar mansions or having net worths in the tens of millions while earning a congressional salary of under $200,000 per year?

An old proverb says, "Charity begins at home." Even the Bible reinforces the idea in 1 Timothy 5:8: "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

American taxpayers are footing the bill not only for foreign aid, but also for illegal immigration, which costs U.S. taxpayers $115 billion a year.

Then there is the human toll, from Kate Steinle to police officer Ronil Singh. Or the previously deported illegal alien who viciously raped a woman in New York. Or another previously deported illegal who raped a child in Philadelphia.

Don't forget illegal drugs. Heroin and cocaine aren't produced domestically and instead transit our southern border. How much Chinese fentanyl is arriving through Mexico?

The United States gives about a million dollars a year in aid to Hungary, the same country that was able to fund the construction of "a second fence on the border with Serbia to keep migrants out."

Congress is happy to give money to countries to secure their borders, but House Democrats refuse to spend a dime for the same security measures in their own country.

Shameful, but the shutdown is illustrating Democrat priorities, especially for Pelosi-Schumer Democrats. Let's have the debate. Where do taxpayers want their hard-earned money to go? To foreign countries so they can secure their borders and protect their citizens? Or should some of that money stay here, providing safety and security for Americans?

Trump will get his wall, either through an eventual budget deal or via the military on the basis of national security. The shutdown may simply be Trump's way of exposing Democrat priorities, which are not for those they are elected to represent or the constitution they swore to support and defend.

Democrats may believe that the shutdown is a way to insulate themselves against exposure of their real priorities, but the longer the shutdown goes on, the more their insulation melts away.


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Sen. Lindsey Graham (RINO - SC) just blinked. he wants Trump tp open the government "temporarily."

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A Republican senator close to President Donald Trump on Sunday backed a temporary re-opening of the federal government, in the 23rd day of the longest shutdown ever, to allow for talks on a spending agreement that could satisfy Trump's border security demands.

Democrats in Congress rejected Trump's request that legislation to fund the government include $5.7 billion of taxpayer money for a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico. They have refused further negotiations until the government is reopened after being partially shut down since Dec. 22.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he urged the president on Sunday to reopen the government for a limited period to try to get talks going again.

If no progress is made, he said, then Trump should declare a national emergency as a way to get money to build his wall, a plan not popular with some fellow Republicans....


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A group of Tennessee Libertarians wanted to help clean up Shiloh Park during the shutdown. A park ranger stopped them. The feds can't afford people to clean up a park, but they can afford to hire people to stop people from cleaning up the park.

You can't make this stuff up.

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Had a couple of cousins who served under Forest at Shiloh.

You know why the ranger stopped the volunteers...

Because they weren't registered democrats and members of the federal workers union.


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Is Trump suckering the Democrats into a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? It turns out that government workers furloughed for 30 days or more can be laid off.

I don't personally think that was Trump's plan, and I don't think it is now either. But it would be a great move, even better than Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers who went on an illegal strike nearly forty years ago.

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Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job....


Read the whole thing at the link. Long, but well worth it.

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It would be an incredibly efficient way to downsize “non-essential” federal staff.


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Pelosi wants Trump to cancel the State of the Union Address. Good for her. it should be in writing. The SOTU is a frightful bore, and has become something far different from what it was intended to be.

Will Trump actually cancel it? Not a chance.

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Pelosi calls cops to remove illegals from her home

'You can't say everyone is welcome here and then lock your door'

Amid her staunch opposition to funding a border wall, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called police to evict illegal aliens from camping out at her multimillion-dollar vineyard estate in Napa Valley.

The Daily Wire, citing freelance journalist Nick Monroe, reported citizen journalist and activist Laura Loomer brought illegal immigrants from Guatemala and Mexico onto the property of Pelosi’s walled estate Monday.

The entourage set up a portable canopy with the word “immorality” written on it in large red letters.

The reference was to Pelosi’s recent characterization of a wall on the southern border.

Hanging from the front of the canopy were photos of murder victims of illegal immigrants.

In a livestream of the event, Loomer read the names of the victims, adding that they were not welcome in “sanctuary state California.”

Monroe tweeted that Loomer checked to see if Pelosi had locked her front door, since “only bigots lock their doors.”

“Come on, you can’t say everyone is welcome here and then lock your door,” said Loomer. “You’re killing us, Nancy! You’re killing us!”

Loomer and the illegal immigrants chanted “Nancy, Nancy,” Monroe said.

Police officers showed up and asked for identification.

“I was told IDs were racist,” Loomer told the officers. “I’m so confused.”

The Daily Wire said the officers, on order from Pelosi, ticketed the illegal immigrants and removed them from the property instead of detaining them.

Pelosi told reporters “a wall is an immorality.”

“It’s not who we are as a nation,” she said Jan. 4 amid the partial government shutdown over wall funding. “We are not doing a wall. Does anybody have any doubt? We are not doing a wall.”


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As expected, Trump has retaliated, canceling Pelosi's trip to Belgium and Afghanistan on a military aircraft. It almost sounds like this is getting personal. laugh

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LOL! I just heard Trump delivered that letter to Nancy Pelosi thirty minutes before her and her entourage were to board the bus to the aircraft. The Lord knows I'm no fan of Trump, but THAT IS AWESOME! laugh

Seriously, when Pelosi decided to troll Trump by canceling the SOTU, she forgot just who she was dealing with. NOBODY can troll people better than Trump.

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Trump is playing chess while Pelosi is playing checkers. "You cancel my speech, I cancel your vacation."


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VIDEO: Police Respond To Illegal Aliens Camping At Nancy Pelosi’s House

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Trump cancels US delegation to Davos World Economic Forum due to shutdown

The Trump administration will no longer be sending a delegation to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, next week.
President Trump had already canceled his own plans to attend the meeting.
Earlier this week, the White House said it had planned to send a five-person delegation led by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

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President Donald Trump has canceled his delegation's trip to the World Economic Forum, citing the partial government shutdown.

"Out of consideration for the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay and to ensure his team can assist as needed, President Trump has canceled his Delegation's trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland," press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement late Thursday.

Earlier this week, the White House said it had planned to send Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Chris Liddell, assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff for policy coordination.

Trump canceled his own plans to attend the forum last week citing the shutdown.

The annual conference in Switzerland gathers world leaders and business executives. This year's theme is "Globalization 4.0: Shaping a Global Architecture in the Age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution."

Earlier Thursday, the president postponed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's planned overseas trip with other members of Congress to visit U.S. troops in Afghanistan, shortly before they were scheduled to depart on a military plane. That postponement came a day after the California Democrat sent Trump a letter, urging him to either reschedule his upcoming State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress or deliver it in writing because of the shutdown.

A White House official told NBC News that all congressional delegations overseas that would have used federally funded military aircraft have been grounded by Trump until the shutdown ends.


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Rand Paul Suggests Cutting Pelosi Out Of State Of The Union

By Steve Watson | INFOWARS.COM Friday, January 18, 2019

Senator Rand Paul weighed in on the stand off regarding the upcoming State of The Union address, suggesting that if Nancy Pelosi is unwilling to allow it to happen in the House, then it should be moved to the Senate and go ahead without her and the Democrats.

“Senator McConnell is in charge of the Senate,” Paul tweeted Thursday morning. “If Mrs. Pelosi refuses to allow the president to deliver the State of the Union in the House, I propose we move it to the Senate and make it happen!”

Senator McConnell is in charge of the Senate. If Mrs. Pelosi refuses to allow the president to deliver the State of the Union in the House, I propose we move it to the Senate and make it happen!

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 17, 2019

Following up during an interview on Fox & Friends, Paul said “This would be the first time in history that the House would deny the president a forum of speaking.”

“If she is going to do that, let’s hold it in the Senate.”

Paul was appearing to tout a bill he has introduced aimed at preventing future lengthy government shutdowns.

Following Senator Paul floating the idea of an address delivered from the Senate floor, CBS reported that The White House was seriously considering the possibility.

Top White House officials are discussing whether the GOP-controlled Senate could invite President Trump to deliver the State of the Union address. https://t.co/VmLrU3fcCB

— CBS This Morning (@CBSThisMorning) January 17, 2019

Pelosi has made it clear that until the government is fully reopened, she will not issue the invitation for Trump to deliver the speech in the House. Pelosi has suggested that Trump should “consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th.”

News: @SpeakerPelosi letter to President Trump suggesting he move State of the Union until after government re-opens – or submit his speech in writing instead – due to Shutdown effect in DHS and Secret Service, via @FoxReports & @arogDC: pic.twitter.com/CPMvjm7shr

— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) January 16, 2019

The ‘security concerns’ Pelosi cited as a reason to postpone the address seemed to have stemmed from a single furloughed DHS employee:

After @SpeakerPelosi sent Pres. Trump letter asking to delay SOTU, citing security concerns, Pelosi spokesperson later said a furloughed DHS employee had “expressed serious concerns that the department has insufficient staffing levels,” @MajorCBS reports https://t.co/hs6BqeK09f pic.twitter.com/j9wyuWFCIC

— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) January 17, 2019

Pelosi spox: The Office of the Spkr has been contacted by a furloughed DHS employee who expressed serious concerns that the dept has insufficient staffing levels to sufficiently manage the security needs for the upcoming State of the Union..due to furloughs of critical staff

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 16, 2019

It’s clear that Pelosi, who has also stated unequivocally that she will not budge on funding for Trump’s proposed border wall, is playing politics.

Really? And who pray tell was this conscientious employee? So she will believe this anonymous furloughed employee over word of Secret Ser. And DHS? Please! Another Pelosi fabrication.

— Hiram Holland (@lovesimflight) January 16, 2019

“A furloughed DHS employee” is the new woke six-year-old. https://t.co/rvGfbvW321

— Joseph Ashby (@JosephAshbyShow) January 16, 2019

Fox News’s John Roberts says a DHS official told him that no one from Pelosi’s office called the Secret Service to ask if they had concerns about SOTU before she sent that letter. #StateoftheUnion #GovernmentShutdown

— Cortney O’Brien (@obrienc2) January 16, 2019

.@SpeakerPelosi says secret service COULD secure State of the Union, but they shouldn’t have to while not getting paid.

“They’re professionals. They train for this. They should be paid for this.” pic.twitter.com/U926sol7O3

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) January 17, 2019

Just asked Pelosi if she’s simply trying to deny Trump a platform after DHS said it could secure SOTU, and she said: “I’m not denying him a platform at all…Let’s pay the employees. Maybe he thinks it’s OK not to pay people who do work. I don’t, and my caucus doesn’t either.” pic.twitter.com/RODDSMihbK

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 17, 2019

In response to Pelosi’s antics, Trump wrote his own informing the speaker that her scheduled trip overseas will be postponed in light of the government shutdown.

President @realDonaldTrump’s letter to @SpeakerPelosi concerning her upcoming travel pic.twitter.com/TtBCvwp080

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) January 17, 2019

The President did this one hour before Pelosi and her team was to leave, forcing Democrats to literally circle around the Capitol on a bus and then get back off it.

USAF bus back on Capitol plaza. Mbrs getting off bus & going back into Capitol pic.twitter.com/k9luYw5YyC

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 17, 2019

Trump even had Pelosi’s luggage returned to her office by cart:

Pelosi’s luggage was sent back to her office after Trump cancelled her trip.

h/t @odonnell_r pic.twitter.com/dFqTcDo6Ff

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) January 18, 2019

Democrats, along with MSNBC and CNN immediately went into full on attack mode, blaming Trump for playing politics:

However, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy slammed Pelosi for even considering traveling abroad in what is now the fourth week of the partial government shutdown.

“Why would she want to go overseas with government shut down, with people missing their paychecks? And if we don’t get this back open they could miss their paycheck again by next week, so I think it’s appropriate that we would get back together. It would not take long, and we could solve this problem,” McCarthy told reporters on Capitol Hill.

“I couldn’t imagine she would even think about going,” McCarthy added. “I didn’t read what it is but I’m just shocked she’d even think that she would leave the country. Why would you leave the country with government shut down and you’re speaker of the House?”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy reacts to President Trump withholding a military plan for Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s congressional trip: “Why would she want to go overseas with the government shutdown? … I couldn’t imagine she would even think about going” pic.twitter.com/zDnsi8wNPg

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) January 17, 2019

In a further Fox appearance, Rand Paul said that he fully supports Trump’s action in canceling Pelosi’s trip, and that the Speaker has to be willing to compromise on border wall funding.


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I don't want to give Trump any ideas, but what he should do is announce he is going to give a SOTU address, and do it at one of his campaign rallies. The major networks would be in a bind - they're almost obliged to televise it, but at the same time they wouldn't want to televise a campaign rally. And what can Pelosi do about it? Nothing. if I were Trump, that's what I would do.

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Trump is offering a deal to end the shutdown - an extension for DACA in exchange for money for the wall. Frankly, it's a deal that should have been made a long time ago. I don't know what Pelosi et al will do, but my gut tells me this is a winner for Trump. The Democrats would be hard pressed to turn it down.

And that's a shame. I kinda liked that partial shutdown. I would rather Trump had added, "And if you don't accept this deal, I'm going to lay off all those furloughed employees." But he didn't. Maybe next time.

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As Ilya Somin points out, Trump's wall is an eminent domain nightmare here is an excerpt from his article in the Washington Post:

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...But even if congressional Democrats agree to give him the funds in exchange for concessions on other immigration issues, that would be only the beginning of the drama over the wall. Trump cannot acquire the land he needs without forcibly displacing large numbers of property owners by using eminent domain. That inevitably threatens the property rights of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Americans.

Less than one-third of the needed land is currently owned by the federal government. The rest — as much as 1,300 miles — is held by private owners, Native American tribes and state governments, many of whom are unlikely to sell voluntarily. Even if the wall does not cover the full 2,000 miles because it excludes some areas, such as those that have "natural" barriers, many property owners will have to be displaced....

To get that land, the government would have to resort to eminent domain: a power that allows the state to seize property from unwilling owners. The result would be one of the largest federal condemnations in modern U.S. history. In Texas alone, there are some 4,900 parcels of privately owned land within 500 feet of the probable route of the wall. In Arizona, some 62 miles of the route is owned by the Tohono O'odham Nation, which opposes the wall because it would damage the tribe's land and impede ties with members across the border. No one knows exactly how many homes, businesses and tribal properties would have to be condemned. But it is likely that thousands of people would suffer....

In 2005, the Supreme Court generated widespread outrage when it ruled in Kelo v. City of New London that the government could condemn homes to promote private "economic development." The project fell through, and today the site of Susette Kelo's house is used only by feral cats. Trump is a long-standing defender of Kelo, in large part because he himself has a history of benefiting from eminent domain abuse, including the notorious 1998 condemnation of elderly widow Vera Coking's home to build a parking lot for one of his casinos.

As legal scholar Gerald S. Dickinson notes, "The Great Wall of Trump could leave hundreds of Cokings and Kelos at risk of losing their property" — vastly more than in Kelo. They would lose their land to build a structure that is not justified by any genuine security crisis, is likely to cost more than $20 billion in taxpayer money and probably would not significantly reduce undocumented immigration. Even seizing land for feral cats seems a better deal than that.


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What I want to know is WHY was it necessary for Nasty Perlousy to want to take all of her children and Grandchildren with her? I can understand some staff, but this trip was pure BS that I would not want paid for by myself and the rest of the US taxpayers!

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What I want to know is WHY was it necessary for Nasty Perlousy to want to take all of her children and Grandchildren with her? I can understand some staff, but this trip was pure BS that I would not want paid for by myself and the rest of the US taxpayers!



Quite simply, POTUS should declare that no family and limited staff can accompany members of Congress on these junkets - unless they want to fly commercial. These are military aircraft, and military resources have to be allocated to mind these assholes while they are in country....

And of course, Peosi's grandkids will get flag-level accommodations....

8 members of Congress? They can go on a C130.


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I'm wondering how many in her entourage were big money Democrat donors. I'm betting quite a few of them were. And yes, Republicans do the same thing.

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Trump clarified his statement the other day...

No one gets a free plane ride until Congress comes to the table.

There is also talk from the Whitehouse that if the shutdown continues, now would be the time to save more money by downsizing the government with some permanent layoffs.


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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
...There is also talk from the Whitehouse that if the shutdown continues, now would be the time to save more money by downsizing the government with some permanent layoffs.


Outstanding! I doubt they'll follow through on that, but at least someone besides me is talking about it.

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Our country is deeply in debt, and bleeding money. Our soldiers are fighting and dying in countries that mean nothing to us. We are in the middle of a trade war that harms all of us. And the press is going nuts...

...because a boring, pointless speech has been cancelled.

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Unless postponing his sate of the union address is like some kind chess move it looks like that socialist/commie rat Pelosi punked out Trump.

Trump said, "I will do the address when the shutdown is over. I am not looking for an....alternative venue for the SOTU Address because there is no venue that can compete with the history, tradition and importance of the house chamber. I look forward to giving a “great” State of the Union Address in the near future!..."

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Unpaid TSA and FBI agents don't deserve our sympathy.

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The partial shutdown of the federal government is entering its second month, with few signs that it will end anytime soon. Continuing right along with it is the national outpouring of sympathy and material support for the some 800,000 federal workers who've either been furloughed or forced to work without pay.

That's been most evident in the one-company town of Washington, D.C., where businesses have been giving away everything from free pizza and beet burgers to heavily discounted microbrews that get cheaper the longer the government shutdown goes on.

Outside the Beltway, state governments are starting to pitch in. In Connecticut, furloughed feds can now apply for zero-interest loans during the shutdown. The Oregon legislature is drafting a bill that would extend eligibility for unemployment benefits to these same folks, while the coastal town of Astoria, Oregon, is waiving their water and sewage bills.

Average citizens are donating free food to TSA agents around the country, while A-list celebrities like Jon Bon Jovi and Gene Simmons have said agents could eat for free at their respective restaurant chains.

This outpouring of sympathy is perfectly understandable on a human level: People are losing out on pay through no real fault of their own, forcing many families to ask how they're going to pay for rent or needed medical care. The unfairness is particularly rankling for the 10,000 air traffic controllers who're being forced to work a demanding, crucial job without being paid.

And yet none of that very real pain erases the fact that we are seeing an incredible outpouring of grief over something private sector workers have to contend with everyday, and who are not guaranteed backpay once the federal government gets itself together. Worse still, this charity is being directed at people whose current jobs—pay or no—are often unnecessary, ineffectual, or even actively harmful.

That's true of the FBI agents, who're fretting that they're less able to entrap people during the shutdown thanks to their snitches having been furloughed.

It's even more true for TSA agents, who are both incredibly ineffectual even when they're being paid in full (the agency's fail rate at catching contraband hovers somewhere between 80 and 95 percent) and whose job requires the violation of the flying public's privacy and dignity on a daily basis.

To be sure, forcing people to work without pay is a pretty messed up thing to do, even if the underlying job is bogus.

Nevertheless, the solution we should be embracing isn't restoring these professional molesters' compensation to 100 percent, but rather to fire all of them, and turn over security to more capable, less handsy private contractors—or, in the case of bureaucrats at the Department of Education, abandoning the work they do altogether.

Instead, the hyper-partisan attitudes the government shutdown has evoked have seen an increasing number of people lionize them, while ignoring a more fundamental question of whether some of these workers should be on the federal payroll in the first place.

Public sector unions are trying to recast an attack on workers everywhere, while labor activists argue in the opinion pages of The New York Times that TSA agents could kickstart a new wave of working class activism. Over at The Seattle Times, columnist Danny Westneat wonders aloud if "the humble TSA agent" could be the key to saving democracy.

The contrast between this near deification of TSA agents and the reality of their jobs is glaring, and hopefully short-lived. Nevertheless, it servers as a reminder of just how overtly political—and misplaced—all the thoughts, prayers, and free pizza flowing toward federal workers really are.


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Well, it was fun while it lasted.

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Trump can get the wall built without the Demorat Socialists and I bet he will. Here is an article about how he can do it from CNN (communist news network). I hope it is not some of their fake news.

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White House preparing draft national emergency order, has identified $7 billion for wall

By Priscilla Alvarez and Tammy Kupperman, CNN

Updated 5:57 PM ET, Thu January 24, 2019


Washington (CNN)The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route, according to internal documents reviewed by CNN.
Trump has not ruled out using his authority to declare a national emergency and direct the Defense Department to construct a border wall as Congress and the White House fight over a deal to end the government shutdown. But while Trump's advisers remain divided on the issue, the White House has been moving forward with alternative plans that would bypass Congress.

"The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency," a draft of a presidential proclamation reads.

"Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States," the draft adds.

The draft was updated as recently as last week, a US government official told CNN.

According to options being considered, the administration could pull: $681 million from Treasury forfeiture funds, $3.6 billion in military construction, $3 billion in Pentagon civil works funds, and $200 million in Department of Homeland Security funds, the official said.
As lawmakers discussed a short-term measure to fund the government Thursday, Trump again raised the prospect of other ways to fund a border wall without congressional approval.
"I have other alternatives if I have to and I'll use those alternatives if I have to," he told reporters.
"A lot of people who wants this to happen. The military wants this to happen. This is a virtual invasion of our country," Trump said.
The Defense Department referred a request for comment from CNN to the White House.
If the declaration is made, the US Army Corps of Engineers would be deployed to construct the wall, some of which could be built on private property and would therefore require the administration to seize the land, which is permitted if it's for public use.

The administration's plans acknowledge the possibility for lawsuits if they move forward with acquiring private property. The documents also reflect a sense of urgency with administration plans, noting that environmental reviews can be skipped and DHS can use waivers to bypass contracting laws.
If the President proceeds with the declaration, it'll likely be challenged in court and by Democrats in Congress, as critics have argued that Trump cannot use the national emergency authority to free up taxpayer funds and build the border wall he has long promised his political supporters.
The question of legality and court challenges is still one of the main hang-ups in using executive action to secure the wall funding. Trump's advisers have cautioned that taking that route would lead to certain legal challenge, meaning the wall construction would still be delayed.
The draft document cites Title 10 of the US Code, which allows Trump to unlock a stash of Pentagon funds that are earmarked but have no signed contracts for spending that money. That would give the President authority to pull from military construction funds and civil works projects, like infrastructure repair projects.
Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, tweeted earlier this month that acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, "assured Texans that he understood the deep concerns about using Harvey relief funds for the border." CNN previously reported that the Pentagon was asked to provide a list of those projects in anticipation of a national emergency.
The Pentagon has assisted the Department of Homeland Security in the past. For example, the Army Corps of Engineers, a federal agency within DOD that provides public engineering services, has helped evaluate prototypes of the border wall.

Options under consideration conceded that acquiring private property would take time. Even if voluntary, the land could take up to a year to be acquired. Land condemnation cases are known to take time because property owners have the right to sue. A national emergency declaration would not speed that process up, a government official says.

Customs and Border Protection has said that it would consider eminent domain in the future.
"It is always CBP's preference to acquire property through a voluntary, negotiated sale. The Government will attempt to negotiate an offer to sell using survey data and value estimates gleaned from the surveying process," reads an excerpt in a border wall Q&A on their site. "The Government will attempt to negotiate an offer to sell before moving forward with exercising eminent domain. However, if the Government and landowner are unable to reach a negotiated sale or if the Government is unable to obtain clean title, the Government will need to file an eminent domain action."

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi says there is still no plan for the State of the Union:

"What I'd said to the President is when government is open, we will discuss a mutually agreeable date"

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— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 25, 2019


Pelosi reportedly made a remark that Trump just learned the hard way that NO One F's with her. I'd love to see someone take a axe handle to her and chuck the shmuck's head...literally.

Did any of you see the speech by Sen. Cruz? He laid out exactly what the dems are doing. He was not being political. Everything he said was an indisputable, documented fact. For one in 2013 EVERY democrap voted to fund 345 miles of border wall. Trump asked for 247 miles and was told not one inch. And since Dec. there have been at least 3 bills put forward that would have funded the gov without additional funding for a wall..all that was asked was for the dems to promise to negotiate at a later date. Every one was voted down by the left.

Trump made it clear today that he has bent over backwards to negotiate with these assholes and that they have 3 weeks to come to the table or he has other options. The best way to hang the dems is to give them enough rope to do the job themselves.

And...if the people actually want the wall, then we need to get off our ass, support the President and apply a massive amount of pressure on kongress.

What happened to all those militias who were pulling border security 10 or 15 years ago??? Time to get back to work.

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Black Caucus Chair: Pelosi Should Give SOTU Since She’s ‘Running the Country’

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After President Donald Trump agreed on Friday to open the government for three weeks, Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) should just give the State of the Union address “since she’s obviously the one running the country.”

.@SpeakerPelosi should give the State of the Union since she's obviously the one running the country.

— Congressmember Bass (@RepKarenBass) January 25, 2019

Pelosi cancelled Tuesday’s State of the Union address and said on Friday, after Trump decided to open the government on Democrats’ terms, that she and Trump still have to “discuss a mutually agreeable date.”

“The State of the Union is not planned now,” Pelosi said when asked if there will be a State of the Union address on Tuesday. “What I said to the president is when the government is open we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and I’ll look forward to doing that and welcoming the president to the House of Representatives for the State of the Union when we agree on that.”

SOTU on Tuesday? Pelosi doesn't seem to think so: pic.twitter.com/ERpaCFrPM0

— Evan McMurry (@evanmcmurry) January 25, 2019

Pelosi indicated that the State of the Union address will occur only after the government is permanently open. Trump, though, warned that he is willing to shut down the government again on February 15 if he does not get a “fair deal from Congress.”

“If we don’t get a fair deal from Congress, the government either shuts down on February 15th again or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency,” Trump said on Friday.



White House Drafting $7 Billion National Emergency Draft Wall Plan


24 Jan 2019Washington, DC

The White House is preparing a much-anticipated plan to have President Donald Trump declare a national emergency at the southern border, CNN reported Thursday evening.

The report stated that under the draft plan, more than $7 billion could be allocated to build a barrier at the U.S. southern border. CNN cited what it claimed was a portion of the draft presidential proclamation, “The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency.”

The report cited more of what it said was wording included in a version of the draft that a U.S. official told the outlet was updated at least last week, “Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States.”

Funds broken down would come from four places, according to the official cited in the report: $3.6 billion from military construction funds,$3 billion from Pentagon civil works funds, $681 million from Treasury forfeiture funds, and $200 million from the Department of Homeland Security.

President Trump has repeatedly expressed that he could declare a state of emergency at the southern border and release funds to build a border barrier and secure the border. He has also said repeatedly that he would rather not accomplish the task by exercising that option.

Work on the barrier would be done by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, according to the report.

Thursday marked the 34th day of a partial government shutdown, as Democrat congressional leadership has refused to negotiate on the president’s request of $5.7 billion to fund a small portion of wall or barrier and for border security on the southern border.

Michelle Moons is a White House Correspondent for Breitbart News — follow on Twitter @MichelleDiana and Facebook


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Not many people are stating the obvious - Trump caved. Pelosi and Schumer won this round. President Trump is good at salvaging wins, but I don't know how he's going to do it this time.

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I'm not taking up for Trump; but I'm not so sure he caved. Trump has repeatedly asked them to negotiate, offered them concessions offered them things they've demanded in the past...all to no avail. They refuse every time. Said they would not negotiate anything until the gov. was funded. Well they got what they wanted. I wonder what their lame excuse will be in 3 weeks when the gov. is shut down again.

The Dems have the media in their back pocket and the public is clueless. All they know is what cnn tells them to think...which is "Hate Tump it's all his fault." Pelosi and the schmuck are all over the media bragging about how they won this round.

You can win a battle yet still loose the war.

Trump has made it clear that he does not want to be forced to declare an emergency; but that he has the authority to exercise that option as a last resort. Plans are already in the works.


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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
I'm not taking up for Trump; but I'm not so sure he caved. Trump has repeatedly asked them to negotiate, offered them concessions offered them things they've demanded in the past...all to no avail. They refuse every time. Said they would not negotiate anything until the gov. was funded. Well they got what they wanted. I wonder what their lame excuse will be in 3 weeks when the gov. is shut down again.

The Dems have the media in their back pocket and the public is clueless. All they know is what cnn tells them to think...which is "Hate Tump it's all his fault." Pelosi and the schmuck are all over the media bragging about how they won this round.

You can win a battle yet still loose the war.

Trump has made it clear that he does not want to be forced to declare an emergency; but that he has the authority to exercise that option as a last resort. Plans are already in the works.


I am in agreement regarding "not caving," and winning a battle yet losing the war. Something big is in the works.


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I fear we live in evil times...
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Maybe Trump does have something up his sleeve, but I don't know what it would be. If he declares and emergency, it will be tied up in courts for the rest of his term. And frankly, it would be best if he DOES lose in the courts.

If he declares and "emergency" and wins, it would set an awful precedent. if all a president has to do is declare an "emergency," there would be literally nothing a president can't do. Want to close down all nuclear power plants? A future president could declare a potential nuclear disaster an "emergency" and order them all shut down. Or suppose a future president declares a "climate change emergency" and shuts down all coal fired plants. Or suppose a future president declares a "healthcare emergency" and unilaterally orders medicare for everyone. There would be nothing to stop him.

Frankly, I don't give a crap about the wall. But I do give a crap about limiting the powers of the president and congress. If Trump does have something up his sleeve, I really hope it isn't a declaration of emergency, because he just might win. And if he does, we all lose.

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Every president since FDR has declared some kind of emergency. They do it all the time. Securing our border to prevent invasion is one prerogative that the president most definitely has the authority to exercise as CIC. Like I keep saying, Trump said he does NOT want to declare a state of emergency, but will do so if Congress refuses to act or negotiate. Even Joel Skouson said he wasn't in favor of emergency powers. But in this case, Trump should tell Congress to screw itself and bypass them.


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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
Every president since FDR has declared some kind of emergency....


True, but this one is quite a bit different. He would be using a declaration of emergency to appropriate funds that Congress never authorized, or authorized for another purpose entirely. In this case, he would be using funds from the Department of Defense for something completely different. (Contrary to what people keep saying, unlawful immigration is not an armed invasion. It is not even a crime, it is a civil violation.) Worse, it would authorize the taking of private property through eminent domain with little or even no compensation.

I hope he is only using the declaration of emergency as a threat. But if Pelosi and Schumer call his bluff - which I fear they will - this could be very bad news.

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Time to build a or the wall around DC and fill it with poison gas. I am so god damn sick of hearing these treasonous criminals Jack their jaws.

Kill every last one of them.


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Originally Posted by airforce

True, but this one is quite a bit different. He would be using a declaration of emergency to appropriate funds that Congress never authorized, or authorized for another purpose entirely. In this case, he would be using funds from the Department of Defense for something completely different. (Contrary to what people keep saying, unlawful immigration is not an armed invasion. It is not even a crime, it is a civil violation.) Worse, it would authorize the taking of private property through eminent domain with little or even no compensation.

I hope he is only using the declaration of emergency as a threat. But if Pelosi and Schumer call his bluff - which I fear they will - this could be very bad news.

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The hell you say air force. Illegally crossing the US border is a crime. You are either brainwashed or crazy if you think it is just a civil violation. Why don't you just move 30 illegal aliens into your home with you since you are welcoming them? You would probably get a serious communicable disease from them. I'll bet you voted for the Obomination aka Barry from Chicago the known homosexual and that Bull Dyke Crooked Hillary. The drug cartels and Al-Qaeda Mooslems do come across the Mexican border armed so it is an armed invasion and a national security threat. Trump can declare it a national emergency and can use Department of Defense funds to build the wall to secure our southern border. The citizens along the border will be glad to sell off as much as needed of their nearly worthless unsecured land along the border for top dollar.

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Trump Vows To Move Forward On Wall In 21 Days — Deal Or Not

'This was in no way a concession,' says president



By Zero Hedge Saturday, January 26, 2019

Friday’s agreement between President Trump and Congressional Democrats to reopen the government for three weeks has been celebrated by gloating Democrats, and panned by Trump’s base. The temporary deal will pay roughly 800,000 federal employees who were set to miss their second paychecks on Friday, while negotiations over Trump’s wall will occur over the next 21 days. Federal workers will receive backpay as part of the deal.

Fending off a wave of criticism from the right, Trump defended his decision over Twitter – tweeting that the deal was “taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown,” and that “in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!” – implying that he would declare a national emergency and divert federal funds towards building the wall if an agreement can’t be reached.

In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing https://t.co/dMaDfBOIuT

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) January 26, 2019

On Saturday Trump tweeted: “21 days goes very quickly. Negotiations with Democrats will start immediately. Will not be easy to make a deal, both parties very dug in,” adding “The case for National Security has been greatly enhanced by what has been happening at the Border & through dialogue. We will build the Wall!”

21 days goes very quickly. Negotiations with Democrats will start immediately. Will not be easy to make a deal, both parties very dug in. The case for National Security has been greatly enhanced by what has been happening at the Border & through dialogue. We will build the Wall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

We have turned away, at great expense, two major Caravans, but a big one has now formed and is coming. At least 8000 people! If we had a powerful Wall, they wouldn’t even try to make the long and dangerous journey. Build the Wall and Crime will Fall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

Perhaps Trump should point out that if civil war breaks out in Venezuela, millions of refugees will also need a place to call home. Perhaps Soros would help out with Caribbean NGO taxis to Florida.

“We absolutely need a physical barrier or Wall, whatever you want to call it. The President yesterday laid all that out. We need to do it all, including the Wall. I provided the same information to the previous administration, & it was ignored.” Mark Morgan, Border Chief for “O”!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2019

Trump faced intense backlash from his base after “caving” on Friday – perhaps most prominently from conservative pundit Ann Coulter, who savaged the President over Twitter – and then on “Real Time With Bill Maher” Friday night.

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 25, 2019

“I promise you the country would be run much better if I had a veto over what Donald Trump is doing. It’s crazy that I expect a president to keep the promise he made every day for 18 months,” Coulter told Maher.

Tough day for Mammoth. It’s now the 2nd biggest cave in the world. #trumpcaved pic.twitter.com/X9AgcA2XWP

— Brian (@Teacher731) January 25, 2019

Others defended Trump, suggesting that Trump has things under control:

He didn’t cave, it’s a strategy. He’s going to sign a temp bill that will fund the gov for 2-3 weeks. That allows him to make the State of the Union address. When we still don’t have the wall funding, he will declare a state of emergency for the wall.

— nsering (@nsering) January 25, 2019

Mike.

He set up the board.

1. State of Union (something is planned)
2. Failure to negotiate will be Nancy & Chuck
3. He stepped back, let everyone off hook and looks like benevolent father

This is a classic.

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[quote=airforce]...The citizens along the border will be glad to sell off as much as needed of their nearly worthless unsecured land along the border for top dollar.


Many of them would be happy to sell for top dollar, and some won't. But that's not what they're going to be offered. In fact, under a "state of emergency," the government doesn't have to pay them anything.

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8 U.S. Code § 1325. Improper entry by alien

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.


But now let's get to the heart of the matter. If President Trump prevails in court on this matter, what would prevent President Kamala Harris from declaring a "gun violence emergency" and outlawing the possession of Ar-15's? In fact, what would prevent a future president of nullifying the Second Amendment and confiscating all firearms? President Lincoln used a state of emergency to suspend habeas corpus, what is to prevent a future president of doing the same?

The answer is, nothing. If a president can have unlimited power simply by the stroke of a pen, then he has unlimited power. None of us want that.

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For ALL the laid off FEDS looking for sympathy.

It is in the Dictionary in between 'shit' and 'syphilis'!!!!

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Had I been Trump, after thirty days I would have started laying off the furloughed workers. Either that would bring the Democrats around to negotiating, or it wouldn't. But at least we would have cut the federal payroll a little bit.

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The entire shutdown only reduced federal spending by 7%.

Seven percent.

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Safety of American people president's first priority, he says



President Trump will secure the border, whether through Congress or a national emergency, according to White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

“At the end of the day, the president is going to secure the border one way or another,” Mulvaney said on “Fox News Sunday.”

“We have been hoping for months to do it through legislation with Democrats because that’s the right way for the government to function, but at the end of the day the president’s commitment is to defend the nation, and he’ll do it either with or without Congress,” he said.

Ultimately, he said, Trump hopes he doesn’t have to shut down the government again.

“It’s not a desired end,” he said.


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The one thing we learned from this shutdown? We have a whole lot of federal employees we don't need. Let's have another shutdown - and this time, Trump, don't bring them back.

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The theatrical federal government semi-shutdown is now over, or at least on hiatus, while the dominant political tribes in D.C. take a break from posturing to pay a few bills. And, I admit, I'm honestly sad to see the end of an inconvenience to government workers. Even as media pundits lamented the plight of federal employees waiting on delayed paychecks, it became increasingly obvious that many of their tasks are unnecessary, better performed by the private sector, or downright dangerous.

Illustrating the theatrical and unnecessary nature of much of the shutdown was a story in my local paper about National Park Service rangers fining "trespassers" at sites including the Montezuma Well Indian ruins. The sites were closed because 22 employees were furloughed and "volunteers also can't return to work" (because reasons, I suppose). But Montezuma Well is free to enter and the small ranger station there is often unstaffed. The four officers still patrolling may well be the most official activity the place has seen.

Unlike patrolling locations that are frequently unguarded, air traffic control is a job that needs to be done. So it was troubling when the Federal Aviation Administration announced that unpaid federally employed controllers were calling in sick, creating delays at airports. But why are we dependent on the government for air traffic control?

After all, an important recent report from the U.S. Department of Transportation's own Inspector General pointed out that Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, and France "commercialized their air traffic operations via independent air navigation service providers" that "are financially self-supporting."
The report added that the United States could learn from their experience.

The various foreign approaches studied in the report range from government-owned corporations to for-profit partnerships. All the operations are funded independent of government taxes and appropriations, meaning that they can continue functioning through the overseas equivalents of the Trump-Pelosi show.

Unsurprisingly, the airline trade association, Airlines for America, supports privatization. Industry analysts say their cause got a big boost from the shutdown.

Of less concern, air travel-wise, was the growing absentee rate among TSA workers as their paychecks failed to materialize. Sure, it sucks to work for delayed compensation. But nobody conscripted them into government service—they took those jobs of their own accord. And they're very, very bad at what they do.

"Undercover investigators were able to smuggle mock explosives or banned weapons through checkpoints in 95 percent of trials," ABC News reported in 2015.

Of travel safety, security expert Bruce Schneier says "the two things that have made flying safer since 9/11 are reinforcing the cockpit doors and persuading passengers that they need to fight back. Everything beyond that isn't worth it."


"The relationship between the public and the TSA has become too poisonous to be sustained," admits the agency's former administrator, Kip Hawley.

TSA workers do excel, though, at abusing opportunities to rob, grope, and harass travelers.

Harassment, of course, is a core responsibility for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Like too many law enforcement agencies, they largely exist to stop people from doing what they have every right to do—in their cases, to interfere with people's right to self-medicate and to possess the means for self-defense.

Also like too many law enforcement agencies, these two federal bureaucracies have an unpleasant record of misbehavior. The ATF is frequently guilty of "rogue tactics," as the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel put it, and has lost many of its own firearms while trying to regulate those belonging to the public. The DEA has a history of brutality, partying with criminals, and occasionally trafficking in contraband itself.

I find it equally difficult to feel sorrow over the FBI's complaints about shutdown-induced difficulty in paying snitches and buying drugs in stings (no word yet on how the cash crunch affected the bureau's domestic surveillance operations or its campaign against private encryption).
Given the bureau's checkered and politicized record, anything that slows it down should provide plenty of Americans with a feeling of relief.

Speaking of a cash crunch, is anybody really sorry that IRS employees suffered some financial discomfort from the sort-of government shutdown? That is, I'll point out, the type of experience they specialize in inflicting on others. Besides, it may not be such a bad thing if the nation's tax collectors fell a bit behind in their role as political weapons wielded by the powerful against their enemies.

Commenting on soldiers who enlist to fight in imperialist wars, the philosopher Herbert Spencer once remarked, "When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don't care if they are shot themselves."

By comparison, it doesn't seem excessive to me to refuse to shed tears over temporary financial inconveniences for government workers whose jobs, in all too many cases, pose threats to life, liberty, and property.

No, the experience of working while waiting on a delayed paycheck isn't pleasant for anybody. But the private sector is also hiring, and it's perfectly capable of taking over many of the actually necessary jobs that government does. Given the nasty, intrusive, and abusive nature of so much of the rest of what occupies the government's time, we should be happy to see it go unfunded.

Many of the tasks done by government, it turns out, are better done by somebody else. And many of the rest are best not done at all.


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Airforce, illegal entry into the US is a crime even though you also quoted a civil penalty for it.
8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275..."For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. .."

Airforce you asked,
"...If President Trump prevails in court on this matter, what would prevent President Kamala Harris from declaring a "gun violence emergency" and outlawing the possession of Ar-15's? In fact, what would prevent a future president of nullifying the Second Amendment and confiscating all firearms? President Lincoln used a state of emergency to suspend habeas corpus, what is to prevent a future president of doing the same?..."

What will prevent any president from doing this the 2nd Amendment and militiamen.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Gun confiscation will never be tolerated by gun owners and militias. Without the 2nd Amendment and armed citizens the rest of the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on.

Militiamen realize, as did the founding fathers who threw off the tyranny of the British; that our rights come directly from God himself who is a higher authority than any government. On April 19, 1775 when government troops marched on Lexington and Concord to begin gun confiscation it was militiamen who stopped them firing the shot against tyranny that was heard around the world which started the United States of America. Militias would stop tyranny again.

Gun ownership is not negotiable.

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It becomes a crime when they try it a second time. And in practice, if they are caught, they're never prosecuted unless it's in conjunction with another crime. And even then it's rare, I've never seen anyone prosecuted for illegal entry here in Tulsa. They're just simply sent back, to try it again.

Personally, i don't have any strong feelings about the wall one way or the other - except that, at about $22,000 per foot, it's going to be the most expensive wall in history. What I do care about is that, if the courts allow this, it will set an awful precedent for the next president. the Constitution was supposed to place real limitations on what Congress and the President can do. If this is approved, there would literally be no limitations on the President diverting funds from something Congress approved, to something they didn't. You say gun ownership is not negotiable? tell that to citizens in California, or New jersey, or New York, or Chicago. And Trump's previous positions on the Second Amendment shows that he is, shall we say, flexible on gun rights.

But it doesn't have to be guns. Imagine the damage a future president can do, simply by declaring a "climate change emergency" or a "healthcare emergency." This really, really is not a road we want to go down.

Maybe cooler heads will prevail and we won't have to worry about it. But I'm not holding my breath.

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Airforce, you're inadvertently making my point. Trump has stated repeatedly that he does NOT want nor prefer to declare a state of emergency. Said he wanted to work with congress to come up with a solution. He's given them numerous opportunities to negotiate...offered them things they wanted and demanded in the past...asked for LESS money than they voted for in 2013. The dems have shown their true colors every single time. They are obstructionists who have NO intention to negotiate ANYTHING. They get everything they want and everyone else gets nothing, NADA.

According to one gov report the shutdown has already cost taxpayers 11 billion. If the dems were so concerned with wasting taxpayers money they wouldn't have shut the gov. down in the first place. This is all about political theater and control for them. They don't give a damn about what's good for the country.

Matt Bracken just posted an article that perfectly sums up the situation were in. I'll post it in the SitRep asap and I want everyone to read it carefully.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Yes, to his credit Trump doesn't want to declare an emergency. I don't know if his objection to it is over constitutional grounds, or because he knows it will be tied up in the courts for a couple years, but he clearly doesn't want to do it. if he did, he would have done so already. And saving money has never been a very high priority for the Democrats, or anyone else in Washington.

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Here are two ideas Trump should consider if he can't get a wall. In fact, if he were to abandon the wall and pivot now, he could keep his base AND take away ammunition from Pelosi and Schumer. Stephen Miller would be fired or quit, and Ann Coulter would be none too happy, but take a look at these ideas and see how you like them:

1. Alex Nowrasteh at Cato has proposed creating a new visa category, the "gold card." After paying a tariff or tax, visa holders would be able to live and work legally in the U.S. Citizenship would not be an option. Tariff rates might vary by age and education, so that all visa holders would make a net positive contribution. This would give the government additional funds to go after real criminals.

2. The IDEAL (Immigration Designed to Enhance Lives) policy. Two million visas would be handed out each year, a mix of five-year visas at $25,000 each and one-year visas at $2,500 each. The former is mostly for high-tech workers, the latter for low=skilled and seasonal work. The fees might seem high, but they are actually quite low compared to the huge fees high-tech companies have to pay for H1B visas, and the bureaucratic hoops that real estate developers and landscape companies have to go through to obtain workers. This plan is estimated to bring in $70 billion annually, more than enough for a wall, or to make up for any negative impact of immigration.

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