Meanwhile, In Hong Kong
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Protsters have shut down the eighth busiest airport in the world for a second straight day, and things are getting tense. The People's Liberation Army is reportedly staging in a nearby city, A senior British official wants to grant the protesters UK nationality, The last report I've seen is that the police are retreating from the airport. Maybe they're hoping to defuse the situation, or maybe the Army is about to move in. Onward and upward, airforce
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Trump won't help the Hong Kong protesters because he wants to make a trade deal with Xi Jinping. It's pretty disheartening, watching those protesters wave American flags, and we aren't doing anything to help them. Donald Trump’s top aides are urging him to back Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protesters, but the president isn’t interested, multiple people familiar with the administration’s internal debates say.
In recent days, national security adviser John Bolton, China hands at both the National Security Council and the State Department, and several economic advisers have pushed for a more assertive posture on the Hong Kong demonstrations, which have paralyzed the former British colony and roiled markets.
They are finding little traction with a president focused more narrowly on trade negotiations with Xi Jinping — and worried that criticizing the Chinese leader’s efforts to stamp out dissent in Hong Kong will scuttle the possibility of inking a deal this winter.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Want another reason to love free markets? While police are cracking down on protesters, you can go to a nearby stall and buy gas masks, gloves, helmets, and other protest gear. Students get a huge discount, government employees are charged about 1000 times what the students pay. In an effort to suppress the anti-extradition treaty protests that have rocked Hong Kong for more than two months now, Hong Kong police are cracking down on businesses that sell helmets, goggles, and gas masks. The Washington Post reports that sellers have been harassed and intimidated by the police for providing gear to protesters and that one mask-seller had 20 officers show up at his place of business and pressure him to comply. But Hong Kong has a market system, and savvy entrepreneurs have found ways to skirt state intrusion into the marketplace. Lee Ching Hei, interviewed by the Post, is flouting these informal regulations and sticking it to government employees while he does it: "At big protests, [Lee] rents a stall nearby and sells packets containing an eye mask, respirator, gloves and helmet. The packet costs him about $64, but he sells on a pay-what-you-can basis. The student price is $1.27…At a recent protest, Lee said, about 20 police came to his stall looking for 'laser pens or other dangerous goods.'
He packages his supplies in black plastic bags. That way, protesters won't get stopped on the streets, and if the police want to know what's inside, they need to buy it. He said he charges government staff about 1,000 times the student rate.
'This is my business, not the government's,' he said." Some mainland China suppliers refuse to ship masks and helmets to the special administrative region; Hong Kong is technically part of China, but retains significant independence under the "one country, two systems" policy that's been in place since 1997. Those who do ship supplies sometimes have them seized at the border. Hong Kong police have designated all kinds of protective gear "threats," and Beijing has referred to the pro-democracy protesters as "terrorists," but the gear isn't illegal to sell or own. In the midst of these crackdowns, helmets, water, and respirators have been donated and left at an outpost by older Hongkongers looking to help the dissident young. "There are stories of strangers picking up tabs for protesters, eating at restaurants, and there are supply stations like this stocked with gas masks, gloves, water, and other supplies," reports Alan Wong, from the media outlet Inkstone. People are also leaving free transit passes out in stations, so protesters can avoid having a digital footprint.
"Many supporters of the protests don't want to be on the front line, but they still want to voice support with their wallets," Wong writes.The protests, which started in early June, are a response to an extradition treaty that was being considered by Hong Kong's Chief Executive, Carrie Lam. The treaty would have allowed suspected criminals to be sent to mainland China for punishment. While Hong Kong is technically part of the People's Republic of China (PRC), Hongkongers have more democratic power and better due process rights than citizens on the mainland. The extradition treaty was suspended, but not fully pulled, in June. Many Hongkongers claim this isn't the last they'll see of this bill or ones like it. They are using this political moment to voice their discontent with increased Chinese influence, which threatens their traditions of free speech and free assembly. They're also calling for Lam to resign, and for the extradition bill to be permanently pulled instead of tabled. This isn't the first time Hongkongers have protested increased influence from the mainland. About half the people protesting now also participated in the 2014 "umbrella movement" protests, held in reaction to China tampering with Hong Kong's method of electing their chief executive. Onward and upward, airforce
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Taiwan should annex Hong Kong.
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Email from independent journalist Michael Yon, who is on the ground in Hong Kong: Yesterday’s protest was massive. I have not even slept yet. Estimated 1.7m people. Crowds are notoriously difficult to estimate, but I will confirm it was absolutely massive, stretching for miles in pouring rain. Massive.
Hong Kong is China’s brain tumor. Do nothing…tumor grows. Operate…the procedure could kill the communist party.
This is very serious, Gentlemen. Do not underestimate what is happening here. Onward and upward, airforce
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Over 1 Million Flood Hong Kong Streets for Latest Rally
Sunday, 18 August 2019
Hundreds of thousands of anti-government protesters joined a mass rally in Hong Kong on Sunday, filling major thoroughfares in heavy rain in the eleventh week of what have been often violent demonstrations in the Asian financial hub.
Sunday's turnout showed that the movement still has broad-based support despite the ugly scenes witnessed during the past week when protesters occupied the Chinese-ruled city's airport, for which some activists apologized.
There was an uneasy calm after nightfall, with no violent confrontations and protesters unclear on what would happen next. Police in riot gear checked the IDs of some demonstrators to the west of the Central business district, and there was a large police presence outside the Western District police station.
"They’ve been telling everyone we're rioters. The march today is to show everyone we are not," said a 23-year-old named Chris, who works in marketing and was dressed all in black, including a scarf covering his face and baseball cap.
"It does not mean we won’t keep fighting. We will do whatever is necessary to win, but today we take a break, then we reassess."
One protester shouted at others who were jeering at police, "Today is a peaceful march! Don’t fall into the trap! The world is watching us," prompting the group to move on.
Anger over a now-suspended bill that would allow criminal suspects in Hong Kong to be extradited to mainland China erupted in June, but the rising unrest has been fueled by broader worries about the erosion of freedoms guaranteed under the "one country, two systems" formula put in place after Hong Kong's return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.
Protesters held aloft placards with slogans including "Free Hong Kong!" and "Democracy now!" and umbrellas to shield them from the rain. The crowd in Victoria Park, where the rally started, was peaceful and included elderly people as well as the middle aged, young people and families, with some parents carrying toddlers.
Despite rally organizers not having permission to march, the park could not accommodate the crowd, which thronged the streets around the park. Many protesters headed towards the city's financial center, chanting for the city's Beijing-backed leader, Carrie Lam, to step down.
It was impossible to put an exact figure on the number of protesters but Reuters journalists, reporting from around the territory, put the total at at least 200,000.
"It's bloody hot and it's raining. It's a torture just to turn up, frankly. But we have to be here because we have no other choice," said a 24-year-old student named Jonathan who was at the rally that began in Victoria Park in the Causeway Bay district of Hong Kong island.
"We have to continue until the government finally shows us the respect that we deserve," he said.
'WE ARE HONG KONGERS'
Aside from Lam's resignation, demonstrators are seeking complete withdrawal of the extradition bill, a halt to descriptions of the protests as "rioting," a waiver of charges against those arrested, an independent inquiry and resumption of political reform.
"When we were young, we didn’t think about it. But my son tells me: After 2047, what will happen to me?," said a history teacher named Poon, referring to the year when the 50-year agreement enshrining Hong Kong's separate system will lapse.
"I will come again and again and again. We do not know how any of this is going to end. We will still fight," she said.
Police have come under criticism for using increasingly aggressive tactics to break up demonstrations and on Sunday some people handed out balloons resembling eyeballs, a reference to the injury suffered by a female medic who was hospitalized after being hit by a pellet round in the eye.
On Saturday, however, a demonstration in support of the government attracted what organizers said was 476,000 people, although police put the number of attendees at 108,000.
The anti-government protests present one of the biggest challenges facing Chinese President Xi Jinping since he came to power in 2012. And with the ruling Communist Party preparing to mark the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic on Oct. 1, the crisis in Hong Kong has come at a sensitive time.
Beijing has struck an increasingly strident tone over the protests, accusing foreign countries including the United States of fomenting unrest.
Scenes of Chinese paramilitary troops training this past week at a stadium in the city of Shenzhen, which borders Hong Kong, gave a clear warning that mainland intervention by force is possible.
Last week, protesters who occupied the terminal at Hong Kong's airport forced the cancellation of nearly 1,000 flights and detained two men they thought were pro-government sympathizers, prompting Beijing to liken the behavior to terrorism.
"We are Hong Kongers. We are here for our future. We feel for the teenagers," said Frances Chan, 60, a retired journalist attending Sunday's rally.
She said only a few protesters had used violence, sparingly, and that it was brought on by pressure from authorities and police.
"Actually, we want peace and freedom," she said. "If the government would just listen to the five requests, things would calm down."
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Rep Dan Crenshaw: In Hong Kong, Protesters Wave American Flags. In America, Antifa Burns Them
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Texas Republican Rep. Dan Crenshaw said American “antifascists” demand violence while Hong Kong protesters are “actually fighting fascists” in a Saturday tweet.
“In Hong Kong, antifascists wave American flags, demand freedom and actually fight fascists,” he wrote. “In Portland, ‘antifascists’ burn American flags, demand violence in the name of socialism. Portland is a sad showing of where we are today. All around.”
Crenshaw’s tweet came the same day violent protests erupted in Portland, Oregon, between about 1,200 people representing the right-wing Proud Boys group and Antifa, as well as a police presence of roughly 700 officers.
In Hong Kong, antifascists wave American flags, demand freedom and actually fight fascists.
In Portland, “antifascists” burn American flags, demand violence in the name of socialism.
Portland is a sad showing of where we are today. All around.
Also yes obviously buy Greenland
— Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX) August 17, 2019
It comes a day before 1.7 million pro-democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong took to the streets for a peaceful protest in the rain Sunday for the city’s 11th consecutive week of protests against an extradition bill that would allow criminal suspects in Hong Kong to be extradited to China for trial.
Demonstrators held American flags and sang the U.S. national anthem during protests in Hong Kong that took place about one week ago. (RELATED: Multiple Attacks Caught On Video During Antifa Demonstration In Portland)
Violence between the Proud Boys and Antifa escalated throughout the day. A total of thirteen arrests and six injuries have been reported so far.
President Donald Trump said he is considering designating Antifa a terror organization in a Saturday tweet over the conflict in Portland.
“Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an ‘ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.’ Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!” he tweeted.
Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 17, 2019
Crenshaw’s tweet also came the same day New Mexico Democratic Rep. Debra Haaland referred to Antifa as “peaceful protesters” who are trying to “safeguard their city” during a Saturday interview on CNN. (RELATED: Marine Veteran Barrels Into Left Wing Activists To Save Burning American Flag)
“It’s not surprising that Trump would side away from the folks who are the peaceful protesters working to safeguard their city from domestic terrorism. Just not surprised at all that the president sides with the white nationalists,” Haaland said. “That’s been his mode of operation since before he was elected president.”
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[/url=http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/08/29/hong-kong-3/]This could be the start of something bad.[/url] chinese PLA troops move into Hong Kong at 4am and call it a ‘normal rotation’. Funny, cameras didn’t pick up the troops that ‘rotated’ out. Do they think HKers are stupid? Emergency Regulations Ordinance coming soon…#HKexit #lamblies #chinalies https://t.co/x95FaXlGCi — Kyle Bass (@Jkylebass) August 29, 2019 Onward and upward, airforce
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Chinese troop movements into Hong Kong prompts unease. Gee, I can't imagine why. Chinese military vehicles have been seen moving across the border into Hong Kong, in what the military said were regular troop movements, as fears rose that the city could see a Beijing-led crackdown after months of political unrest.
Following witness reports of the movements in the early hours of Thursday, state-run news agency Xinhua released a report that the Hong Kong Garrison of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) was making a scheduled rotation and that it was an “annual normal routine”.
The images published by Xinhua showed armoured carriers and trucks carrying troops at the border, and a naval vessel arriving in Hong Kong.
In the previous two rotations – in 2017 and 2018 – state media reports noted that the number of troops and equipment had not changed. This year the report does not include that detail. It is estimated there are between 8,000 and 10,000 troops in the garrison, on either side of the border.
The movements come before a major anti-government demonstration planned for Saturday, as Hong Kong nears its third month of mass protests. On Thursday, the organiser of the demonstration, Civil Human Rights Front, received notice that police had banned the event.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Firebombs, Teargas & Mayhem: Hong Kong Rages After Protest Leaders ArrestedEscalation comes after China sent thousands of troops into autonomous territory By Zero Hedge Saturday, August 31, 2019 Update (10:32AM ET): Authorities fired a live round near Victoria Park as a warning to protesters. Dramatic scenes near Victoria Park as a live round was fired by police skywards as a warning shot to protesters. #hongkongprotests Video: SCMP/Kao Shan Shan pic.twitter.com/c2RDpUgPYO — SCMP Hong Kong (@SCMPHongKong) August 31, 2019 A video on Facebook, meanwhile, appears to show the moment protesters discover an undercover officer firing what appears to be pepper rounds. Authorties, meanwhile, are calling for calm. DNA Force Plus - Overhaul your body's cellular engine with this fan-favorite formula! “The president calls on protesters to express their calls through peaceful means and hopes all parties can resolve the social conflicts altogether,” said a spokesman for Legislative Council president Andrew Leung Kwan-yuen. *** Protesters in Hong Kong returned to the streets in what Bloomberg has called “one of the city’s most violent days in its 13th weekend of social unrest,” after several top organizers were arrested and then released, including Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow and Andy Chan. Hong Kong police fired tear gas and sprayed protesters with blue dye from pepper-spray filled water cannons, while charging other protesters with shields and batons. Water cannons fired blue dye pic.twitter.com/U8YAR1PsrQ — Tiffany May (@nytmay) August 31, 2019 “Liberate #HongKong, the revolution of our time,” some chanted amidst the fire. We heard several loud “bang” sounds as the fire grew bigger. This is beyond anything I have seen in the #AntiELAB protests so far. pic.twitter.com/goCWgVn3UO — Eric Cheung (@EricCheungwc) August 31, 2019 Tens of thousands participated in an unauthorized demonstration – many of whom threw objects and gasoline bombs over barriers at the government’s headquarters. After initially retreating in response to the crowd control measures, protesters returned to a nearby suburb and set fire to a wall on Hennessy Road in the city’s Wan Chai district. this fire has gotten much bigger after 20 minutes. the street is full of dark smoke. #hongkongprotests#HongKong Clashes Escalate as Water Cannons, Firebombs Are Used https://t.co/JtIZo9EhGJ @bpolitics pic.twitter.com/pxdhcV0iRc — Fion Li (@fion_li) August 31, 2019 While others marched back and forth elsewhere in the city, a large crowd wearing helmets and gas masks gathered outside the city government building. Some approached barriers that had been set up to keep protesters away and appeared to throw objects at the police on the other side. Others shone laser lights at the officers. Police fired tear gas from the other side of the barriers, then brought out a water cannon truck that fired regular water and then colored water at the protesters, staining them and nearby journalists and leaving blue puddles in the street. –AP #HongKong police used water cannons to disperse rioters near Causeway Bay. The water contains pepper. pic.twitter.com/A0aSgzTTea — Global Times (@globaltimesnews) August 31, 2019 The protesters were undeterred. protesters aren’t deterred by rounds of tear gas outside Sogo department store at all. what a scene in causeway bay. #hongkongprotests#HongKong Clashes Escalate as Water Cannons, Firebombs Are Used https://t.co/JtIZo9EhGJ @bpolitics pic.twitter.com/SOPyI4ZIzu — Fion Li (@fion_li) August 31, 2019 Several people were arrested and tossed into police vans. “Violent protesters continue to throw corrosives and petrol bombs on Central Government Complex, Legislative Council Complex and Police Headquarters,” said the police in a statement. “Such acts pose a serious threat to everyone at the scene and breach public peace.” TEAR GAS: Police fire tear gas at #antiELAB protesters outside Hong Kong’s Legislative Council offices#HongKongProtests #香港 More @business: https://t.co/MmE4GkqhtD pic.twitter.com/9ZnKPDCTUA — Bloomberg TicToc (@tictoc) August 31, 2019 Protesters in Hong Kong returned to the streets in what Bloomberg has called “one of the city’s most violent days in its 13th weekend of social unrest,” after several top organizers were arrested, including Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow and Andy Chan. Hong Kong police fired tear gas and sprayed protesters with blue dye from pepper-spray filled water cannons, while charging other protesters with shields and batons. Water cannons fired blue dye pic.twitter.com/U8YAR1PsrQ — Tiffany May (@nytmay) August 31, 2019 #HongKong police used water cannons to disperse rioters near Causeway Bay. The water contains pepper. pic.twitter.com/A0aSgzTTea — Global Times (@globaltimesnews) August 31, 2019 protesters aren’t deterred by rounds of tear gas outside Sogo department store at all. what a scene in causeway bay. #hongkongprotests#HongKong Clashes Escalate as Water Cannons, Firebombs Are Used https://t.co/JtIZo9EhGJ @bpolitics pic.twitter.com/SOPyI4ZIzu — Fion Li (@fion_li) August 31, 2019 Protesters asked US President Donald Trump to take action and help the activists, who originally took to the streets to protest a controversial extradition bill which would have allowed China to bring suspects to the mainland to face trial in PRC courts. This #antiELAB protester tells us why he’s urging Trump to take action on #HongKongProtests #香港 More @business: https://t.co/6KN3YO371w pic.twitter.com/55ZzVNpdqW — Bloomberg TicToc (@tictoc) August 31, 2019 Acting on orders from Beijing, Hong Kong rejected an application by the Civil Human Rights Front for a march to the Chinese government office. While previous marches have begun peacefully, police say that they have increasingly devolved into chaos and violence towards the end.
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This is getting serious. Nothing is stopping these protests, not even arresting the leaders. Police are fiting water cannons with blue dye at protesters, protesters are throwing fire bombs at police. When does a protest stop being a protest, and become a revolution? And has China learned anything from Tiananmen? Read the stories and photos at the link. Onward and upward, airforce
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Arresting leadership can go both ways.
"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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I would like to see “Nationalist China” (aka Republic of China... aka Taiwan) give a public voice of approval and support for this movement.
Maybe then a true revolution could start to take back China from the Commies.
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The Chinese Xinhua News Agency is claiming the "end is coming" for the Hong Kong protesters. I'd say that counts as a very stern warning. China issued a stern warning to Hong Kong protesters as well as the West on Sunday, reiterating that it will not tolerate any attempt to undermine Chinese sovereignty over the city.
"The end is coming for those attempting to disrupt Hong Kong and antagonize China," stated a commentary piece published by the state's Xinhua News Agency.
The strongly worded message was directed at "the rioters and their behind-the-scene supporters" -- which can be taken as an accusation of Western meddling. It said that "their attempt to 'kidnap Hong Kong' and press the central authorities is just a delusion," adding, "No concession should be expected concerning such principle issues."
The warning came as thousands of people blocked roads and public transport links to Hong Kong's airport. The demonstrations, which started in response to a proposed bill that would have allowed extradition to the mainland, have morphed into a broader rejection of Beijing's growing control over the semiautonomous city.
The commentary said three lines must not be crossed: no one should harm Chinese sovereignty, challenge the power of the central authorities or use Hong Kong to infiltrate and undermine the mainland.
"Anyone who dares to infringe upon these bottom lines and interfere in or damage the 'one country, two systems' principle will face nothing but failure," the piece declared. "They should never misjudge the determination and ability of the central government... to safeguard the nation's sovereignty, security and core interests.
With the protests attracting global attention, the demonstrators and the authorities are also fighting a PR battle. On Saturday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry took an unusual step of distributing images of alleged protester vandalism to the international press, in an apparent attempt to discredit the movement. Onward and upward, airforce
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The protests are enering a new phase, civil unrest. What the consequences will be, no one knows. Freelance correspondent Michael Yon reports that one can feel the collective political and emotional change on Hong Kong's streets -- change that may have dire consequences.
At the end of August, I emailed Yon a couple of questions based on an observation he made in a videocast shot some 10 days prior. (See michaelyon-online.com. He livestreams via Facebook.) In the video, Yon said Hong Kong's populace showed signs of moving from protest to civil unrest. My questions: What's the current situation? And will communist China crack down (i.e. armed intervention)?
Yon is a former U.S. Army Green Beret and schooled in judging what political scientists call the "collective human dynamics" of social, political and economic stress in a society. Detectives, shoe-leather reporters and military vets call that a "feel for the streets."
East Germany provides a historical example of the stages of resistance, the escalating trend (or gradient) Yon noticed. In 1989, East Germans moved from secret police-enforced silence to public protests to civil disobedience involving the vast majority of East German citizens. To employ a buzz term, East Germans were "collectively mobilized" in bitter opposition to their communist jailers. The Berlin Wall cracked; mass civil disobedience toppled the regime. Did that make it a bloodless insurgency? I'd remind a pinhead making that argument that the long siege called the Cold War wasn't bloodless.
Responding on Sept. 1 to my sitrep request, Yon's email began: "I've been in more than 40 protests so far and can say with certainty that the mood becomes more violent week by week."
What started as protests aimed at specific government actions had become "general civil unrest." Protests during the first month (June) were mostly "about specific items that were severable and solvable if the leaders were wise," Yon wrote. But "they were unwise."
Yon was referring to Hong Kong's government (led by Carrie Lam) and Beijing's central communist dictatorship. (Beijing administers Hong Kong through its Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office.) The government leaders unwisely employed police to forcefully confront protestors.
Police overreaction and treating protestors as criminals enraged Hong Kongers (the name many prefer). The escalation process began as protests "drifted into general civil unrest where the obvious majority of people were just sick of the police and government in totality. The general population seems to view the government as illegitimate." Yon cited the July 1 incident as an early indicator of this sentiment. On that date, protestors broke into Hong Kong's legislative council offices. He witnessed the event firsthand.
Let me interject a point here, one I made in a column written this summer. Yon referenced that column in a videocast as historical context for Hong Kong's hot summer. Beijing's bouts of ham-handed authoritarian bullying and the regime's 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre of political dissenters have led many Hong Kongers to conclude the communists are slowly reneging on the Sino-British Declaration of 1984 that assured Hong Kong's autonomy until 2047. This deep distrust of Beijing's dictatorship seeds fear, a volatile emotion, especially when several million people share it. Distrust also motivates people to respond politically.
Civil unrest is a political response. We can speculate on others. The city's citizens could kowtow (an apt Chinese word) to Beijing's demands, or continue to resist, in this case resisting to protect Hong Kong's treaty-guaranteed freedom.
Or has their cause gone beyond autonomy? Yon considered that. Sometime during the past three weeks, he mused, the situation went beyond civil unrest. "It is clear that a growing number want to overthrow the HK government," he said. Though he had yet to hear anyone say it, he bet that "within just a week or so they will be saying it." He speculated an insurgency could erupt because "clearly many protestors would rather see the city burn than just surrender."
That's an informed reporter's dire impression. What would ignite this insurgency? I fear my second question is the likely answer: Beijing's army or the Peoples Armed Police attacking Hong Kong's citizens.
Beijing must de-escalate the Hong Kong crisis. If the regime resorts to force and kills hundreds, if not thousands, of Hong Kong citizens, President Donald Trump will use that heinous act to unite the world against communist China. Onward and upward, airforce
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Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam Has formally withdrawn the extradition bill that started this whole thing. Will that be enough to end the protests? Or have things already progressed too far? Only time will tell. Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has formally withdrawn the much-despised extradition bill
that sparked the nearly three-month long protest crisis now roiling the city, confirming the Post’s exclusive report earlier on Wednesday.
She will also set up an investigative platform to look into the fundamental causes of the social unrest and suggest solutions for the way forward, stopping short of turning it into a full-fledged commission of inquiry, as demanded by protesters.
The decision to withdraw the bill will mean that the government is finally acceding to at least one of the five demands of the protesters, who have taken to the streets over the past 13 weeks to voice not just their opposition to the legislation, but the overall governance of the city in demonstrations that have become increasingly violent.
Apart from the formal withdrawal of the legislation, the protesters have asked for the government to set up a commission of inquiry to investigate police conduct in tackling the protests, grant amnesty to those who have been arrested, stop characterising the protests as riots, and restart the city’s stalled political reform process.... Read the whole thing at the link. Onward and upward, airforce
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Hong Kong police expect a "violent attack" on China's 70th anniversary. This could get bloody. Hong Kong authorities are preparing for a day of chaos on the city’s streets on Tuesday, the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China, and metro stations and malls will close ahead of protests that they fear could turn violent.
There will be a “very serious violent attack,” the chief superintendent of the police’s public relations branch, Tse Chun-chung, told a news conference on Monday. “We are on the verge of extreme danger.”
Police said they arrested a total of 157 people, including 67 students, after a chaotic weekend in which tear gas and water cannon were fired at protesters who set fires and threw petrol bombs. Eight police officers were injured, they said.
Authorities are eager to avoid scenes that could embarrass the central government in Beijing on the eve of the anniversary after months of sometimes violent pro-democracy protests. Police said several major roads will be closed on Tuesday near the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre, where a flag-raising ceremony is scheduled to take place.
Authorities on Monday rejected a permit for a march planned for Tuesday from Victoria Park in the bustling tourist district of Causeway Bay to Chater Road, next to government headquarters, on security grounds. Demonstrations are expected across Hong Kong regardless.
Admiralty, Wan Chai, and Prince Edward metro stations will be closed, Mass Transit Railway (MTR) said on Monday. The airport-bound express train will only stop at the central Hong Kong station, and only people with air tickets will be allowed entry to the terminal.
Several shopping malls - including Elements in Tsim Sha Tsui and Telford Plaza in Kowloon Bay - have said they will close their doors.
The airport has previously been a target of protesters. Some demonstrations in shopping malls have ended in violence.
“Members of the public are reminded to remain vigilant and mind their own safety,” a government spokesman said on Monday.... Read the whole article at the link. Onward and upward, airforce
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The PRC military escalated the violence. It's only a matter of time before it really gets bloody across the South of China.
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This is how Hong Kong protesters combat the surveillance state. Are there a few lessons for us? Probably. A major priority of the protest movement that has consumed Hong Kong for the past three and a half months has been to thwart the surveillance apparatus that's virtually everywhere. Demonstrators have felled camera poles with chainsaws, spray-painted security camera lenses, used green lasers to destroy sensors, and shielded themselves with umbrellas while marching through the streets.
"I think there a growing concern [in Hong Kong] about surveillance, and this [is] totally understandable because there's a total lack of trust in the government with this whole saga over the last several months," says Charles Mok, a legislator representing the city's technology sector.
Though Hong Kong is politically autonomous under the "one country, two systems" model, local authorities have wired up the city, enabling them to keep an eye on every corner of public life—and protesters suspect they may be sharing that information with the Chinese government.
Hong Kong officials deny that cameras on the top of the city's so-called Smart Lampposts feed location or facial recognition data to Beijing, but that may be a lie. Activists with the political organization Demosisto analyzed the internal components of one of these cameras and found an ethernet switch that could conceivably connect to the mainland's surveillance network. They also found components inside that were manufactured by a known supplier of surveillance technology to the Chinese government.
Many demonstrators use virtual private networks, or VPNs, to access the internet, and they communicate through Telegram, which fully encrypts their messages.
"Without safe communication, I don't think this revolution [could] last for that long," says Wincent Hung, founder of Genesis Block, a Hong Kong–based cryptocurrency exchange. "The government [could] track down everybody very, very easily if there [were] no encryption in this revolution."
Demonstrators are also refraining from using their credit cards or the digital payments system Octopus, which is an option in Hong Kong's public transit system and most stores.
"People are quite wary about cybersecurity and their digital footprints," says Amon Liu, an activist with Demosisto. "All their personal information [have been used] for past prosecutions by the police. So that's why they use cash this time."
To discuss strategy, demonstrators use LIHKG, a social media site that allows anonymous posting and is known as the Reddit of Hong Kong.
They've also created decentralized networks for sharing information through AirDrop, a function on the iPhone that transfers data directly to another person via Bluetooth without a third-party intermediary.
"This is a movement that is totally leaderless and decentralized," says Denise Ho, a Hong Kong–based singer and pro-democracy activist. "[Youth activists] have used…the tools on the Internet to really find a newer way to organize this sort of movement and to really sustain it in the longer term."
The protest movement's unofficial motto is "be water," a Bruce Lee phrase that's meant to convey that in battle, a more fluid and malleable adversary is harder to stop.
A major factor motivating the protesters in their fight to maintain autonomy from mainland China is the surveillance apparatus that the Beijing government imposes on its own citizens. Under the "social credit system," for example, individuals are rated for good behavior and a bad score can impede their ability to travel, attend the best schools, or get hired for the best jobs.
The Hong Kong government has stopped answering protesters' demands, and the conflict grew more acrimonious on October 1, after a police officer shot and injured an 18-year-old demonstrator who had attempted to hit him with a rod. Last week, the government announced a ban on wearing face masks in the streets.
"It has escalated to a point where people are realizing what we need is a political reform in the whole Hong Kong legislative system," says Ho. "And also, of course, the communist government is not backing down either. So we are preparing ourselves for an even longer fight." Onward and upward, airforce
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If there is any doubt that the NBA is groveling at the feet of the Chinese government, this should end it. Two fans were ejected from a preseason game between the Philadelphia 76ers and the Chinese Basketball Association's Guangzhou Loong-Lions, for showing support for the Hong Kong protesters. The NBA's efforts to please the Chinese government appear not to be limited to the issuance of obsequious press statements and the disavowal of criticism of the oppressive Communist regime. Last night, at an NBA preseason game in Philadelphia between the Philadelphia 76ers and the Chinese Basketball Association's Guangzhou Loong-Lions, two fans were reportedly ejected for showing support for freedom in Hong Kong. As a result, evidence that Sixers star Ben Simmons has finally learned how to shoot was overshadowed by the NBA's latest effort to curry favor with China's oppressive regime. According to multiple press reports, security officials at the Wells Fargo Center first confiscated the fans' "Free Hong Kong" and "Free HK" signs. Then, when one of the fans responded by yelling "Free Hong Kong," they were removed from the arena. If these reports are accurate, these actions are unconscionable. The NBA's posture toward China is bad enough, but it's particularly troubling to hear of such events in Philadelphia (birthplace of the Declaration of Independence) at a 76ers game (given the inspiration for the teams name) and in an arena owned by Spectacor, the company founded and formerly owned by noted anti-communist Ed Snider (the same Snider who didn't want his Philadelphia Flyers to have to play the Soviet Union's Red Army team, leading to one of the most famous hockey games of all time). Adam Silver claims the NBA supports free speech, but actions speak louder than words. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, and perhaps the fans were ejected for some other behavior—though they deny using any profanity or objectionable language. The 76ers organization has yet to comment. But the idea that a fan would be ejected from a game for showing their support for freedom is deeply troubling. Indeed, it's enough to make one want to use the Wells Fargo Center's new Rage Room. Onward and upward, airforce
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From Michael Yon, Two hours ago: HONG KONG: Big Protest will start today in about 11 hours. My guess is that violence will unfold today, Sunday. I will be there live-streaming. The latest apparent terrorist attack happened just hours ago when a Chinese mainlander stabbed a pro-democracy Hong Konger who was peacefully handing out fliers about today’s march. My first live-stream will be here on Facebook, but that live-stream will quickly end and the rest will be on my YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelyon/Please Subscribe to my YouTube. This is free. After subscribing, a BELL will appear beside the SUBSCRIBE button. CLICK THE BELL to receive alerts for LIVE video from Hong Kong Sunday. I believe there is a very high chance of violence at the Hong Kong pro-democracy march, today, Sunday, 20 October 2019. Stand with Hong Kong. These courageous, excellent people are standing against heavy odds. They need our help. I will start live-streaming in roughly 11 hours. https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelyon/ Onward and upward, airforce
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Mike Pence is backing the Hong Kong protesters, and slamming the NBA and Nike. That's a lot more than Trump is doing. Maybe impeaching Trump wouldn't be such a bad thing after all. U.S. Vice President Mike Pence on Thursday accused China of curtailing “rights and liberties” in Hong Kong and blasted U.S. company Nike and the National Basketball Association for falling in line with Beijing in a disagreement over free speech.
In a major policy speech on China that touched on an array of disputes ahead of talks with Beijing to ease a trade war, Pence said the United States does not seek confrontation or to “de-couple” from its main economic rival.
But he pulled no punches when addressing some of the political rifts between the two countries.
Criticizing China’s construction of a “surveillance state,” and “increasingly provocative” military action, Pence held up Taiwan’s Democracy as a better path for the Chinese and took Beijing to task for its handling of pro-democracy protests that have rocked Hong Kong for more than four months.
“Hong Kong is a living example of what can happen when China embraces liberty,” he said. “And yet, for the last few years, Beijing has increased its interventions in Hong Kong and engaged in actions that curtail the rights and liberties that Hong Kong’s people were guaranteed through a binding international agreement.”
He said the United States stands with the protesters in Hong Kong, millions of whom have taken to the streets in sometimes violent clashes over what they see as China’s tightening grip.
“We stand with you, we are inspired by you. We urge you to stay on the path of non-violent protest,” Pence said in his address at a Washington think tank.
He also slammed China for its treatment of Muslim Uighurs in the Xinjiang region.
Pence directed some of his harshest words at sports apparel giant Nike (NKE.N) and the NBA, which he accused of siding with China’s Communist Party over freedom of speech in Hong Kong.
Pence, who is often the face of the Trump’s administration’s tougher policies on China, said the NBA and Nike had failed to defend basketball team Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey, after he tweeted support of Hong Kong protesters earlier this month.
“Some of the NBA’s biggest players and owners, who routinely exercise their freedom to criticize this country, lose their voices when it comes to the freedom and rights of other peoples,” he said.
By “siding with the Chinese Communist Party and silencing free speech, the NBA is acting like a wholly owned subsidiary of the authoritarian regime,” Pence said.
Nike stores in China removed Rockets merchandise after Beijing criticized Morey, Pence noted. “Nike promotes itself as a so-called social-justice champion, but when it comes to Hong Kong, it prefers checking its social conscience at the door,” he said.
Pence said “far too many American multinational corporations have kowtowed to the lure of China’s money and markets by muzzling not only criticism of the Chinese Communist Party, but even affirmative expressions of American values.”
Nike, the NBA and the Chinese Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment about the remarks.... Onward and upward, airforce
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"Unwavering" is an article by Kong Tsung-gan in Mekong review. Too long to post here, but here's how it starts: Wednesday 9 October marked four months since of the start of the Hong Kong protests. For me, as a protester, it has been an exhilarating, exhausting and not infrequently bewildering time. Events unfold quickly, often at a massive scale, and the situation changes from day to day and week to week. It is difficult to predict where things will go next: Is this coming weekend the beginning of the end of the protests? I’ve asked myself that question every week now for eighteen weeks, and so far the answer has been no. Certainly, no one at the start thought the protests would go on for so long. And no one knows where they are going. The only thing we know is that if we relent, the crackdown will be swift and merciless. So we persist. But for how much longer?
You might think an infinite protest campaign unsustainable. You might think it’s unrealistic to have no endgame. But we do have concrete demands — five of them — and we do have clear political aspirations: real democracy and real autonomy. The core of the situation is that we exist in a system ruled by the most powerful dictatorship in the world, which refuses to even entertain, let alone accommodate, our demands and aspirations. On the other hand, we live in a semi-free society with a modicum of rights, so the dictator can’t just crush us directly but must use a variety of proxies — the Hong Kong government and police as well as Hong Kong’s allies — and other methods. So there is a stand-off, and the only way to deal with the stand-off is to persist.... Onward and upward, airforce
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They're creating "martyrs of the revolution".
"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The protests in Hong Kong are getting a little medieval. Protestors are building brick-throwing catapults, carrying bows and arrows, and walling off strongpoints at universities. Protesters are building a makeshift wall using concrete and bricks on Pok Fu Lam Rd at the University of Hong Kong. #HongKongProtests Video: SCMP/Chris Healy pic.twitter.com/X7B71tb1UN — SCMP Hong Kong (@SCMPHongKong) November 14, 2019 With Hong Kong protesters beginning to wield bows and arrows and occupying improvised breastworks, the tactics threaten to take the pro-democracy campaign to a new level of risk for all sides. More here: https://t.co/Z0p6xuSYCf pic.twitter.com/k2uh2AZ1S6 — Reuters (@Reuters) November 14, 2019 Mainland Chinese students are being evacuated from the city, raising fears that Beijing is getting ready to crush the protesters. Onward and upward, airforce
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Hong Kong Polytechnic University is under siege. it would be pretty cool if we took all those weapons we're giving to Saudi Arabia, and sent them to Hong Kong instead. Police tightened their siege of a university campus where hundreds of protesters remained trapped overnight Tuesday in the latest dramatic episode in months of protests against growing Chinese control over the semi-autonomous city.
In yet another escalation for the movement, protests raged across other parts of the city, fueled by palpable public anger over the police blockade of Hong Kong Polytechnic University and the desire to help the students stuck inside.
Now in its fifth month, the Hong Kong protest movement has steadily intensified as local and Beijing authorities harden their positions and refuse to make concessions. Universities have become the latest battleground for the protesters, who used gasoline bombs and bows-and-arrows in their fight to keep riot police backed by armored cars and water cannon off of two campuses in the past week.
China, which took control of the former British colony in 1997 promising to let it retain its autonomy, flexed its muscles, sending troops outside their barracks over the weekend in a cleanup operation.
China’s ambassador to Britain accused the U.K. and the U.S. of meddling in the country’s internal affairs and warned that the Chinese government “will not sit on our hands” if the situation in Hong Kong “becomes uncontrollable.”
“These rioters, they are also criminals. They have to face the consequences of their acts,” said Cheuk Hau-yip, the commander of Kowloon West district, where Polytechnic University is located.
“Other than coming out to surrender, I don’t see that there’s any viable option for them,” he said, adding that police have the ability and resolve to end the standoff.
Authorities, meanwhile, were dealt a setback Monday when Hong Kong’s high court struck down a contentious ban on wearing face masks in public imposed last month, ruling it unconstitutional.... More at the link, along with photos. Onward and upward, airforce
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China's response to the Hong Kong election was predictable. In short, nothing has changed. China responded sternly to the landslide in the vote widely seen as a referendum on public support for the anti-government movement. Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that no matter how the situation in Hong Kong changes, the semiautonomous region is part of China.
"Any attempt to disrupt Hong Kong and damage [its] stability and prosperity will not succeed," he told reporters in Japan, where he was attending a G-20 foreign ministers meeting.
Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang added Monday that Hong Kong's most urgent task is to restore order as protesters continue to clash with police.... Onward and upward, airforce
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