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The Jan. 6 Show Trials #176279
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They threaten all of us. By Ron Paul at the Mises Institute.

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The recent felony conviction and eight month prison sentence of January 6th protester Paul Hodgkins is an affront to any notion of justice. It is a political charge and a political verdict by a political court. Every American regardless of political persuasion should be terrified of a court system so beholden to politics instead of justice.

We’ve seen this movie before and it does not end well.


Worse than this miscarriage of justice is the despicable attempt by the prosecutor in the case to label Hodgkins – who has no criminal record and was accused of no violent crime – a “terrorist.”

As journalist Michael Tracey recently wrote, Special Assistant US Attorney Mona Sedky declared Hodgkins a “terrorist” in the court proceedings not for committing any terrorist act, not for any act of violence, not even for imagining a terrorist act.

Sedky wrote in her sentencing memo, “The Government … recognizes that Hodgkins did not personally engage in or espouse violence or property destruction.” She added, “we concede that Mr. Hodgkins is not under the legal definition a domestic terrorist.”

Yet Hodgkins should be considered a terrorist because the actions he took – entering the Senate to take a photo of himself – occurred during an event that the court is “framing…in the context of terrorism.”


That goes beyond a slippery slope. He is not a terrorist because he committed a terrorist act, but because somehow the “context” of his actions was, in her words, “imperiling democracy.”

In other words, Hodgkins deserved enhanced punishment because he committed a thought crime. The judge on the case, Randolph D. Moss, admitted as much. In carrying a Trump flag into the Senate, he said, Hodgkins was, “declaring his loyalty to a single individual over the nation.”

As Tracey pointed out, while eight months in prison is a ridiculously long sentence for standing on the floor of the “People’s House” and taking a photograph, it is also a ridiculously short sentence for a terrorist. If Hodgkins is really a terrorist, shouldn’t he be sent away for longer than eight months?

The purpose of the Soviet show trials was to create an enemy that the public could collectively join in hating and blaming for all the failures of the system. The purpose was to turn one part of the population against the other part of the population and demand they be “cancelled.” And it worked very well…for awhile.

In a recent article, libertarian author Jim Bovard quoted from Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago about how average people turned out to demand "justice" for the state's designated “political” enemies: “There were universal meetings and demonstrations (including even school-children). It was the newspaper march of millions, and the roar rose outside the windows of the courtroom: ‘Death! Death! Death!’”

While we are not quite there yet, we are moving in that direction. Americans being sent to prison not for what they did, but for what they believe? Does that sound like the kind of America we really want to live in?

While many Biden backers are enjoying seeing the hammer come down on pro-Trump, non-violent protesters, they should take note: the kind of totalitarian “justice” system they are cheering on will soon be coming for them. It always does.


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PERSONALLY, I WISH THE PROTESTORS WOULD'VE BURNED THEIR DAMNED TEMPLE OF DEMOCRACY TO THE GROUND.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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That makes two of us.

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Four Members Of Congress Accused Of “Trespassing” While Trying To Inspect Prison Where Jan. 6th Defendants Are Held

What's happening inside the jail that they don't want Americans to see?

By Kelen McBreen | INFOWARS.COM Thursday, July 29, 2021

Four GOP lawmakers were accused of “trespassing” at a Washington DC prison when they tried to check on the conditions of January 6th defendants being held there.

Security guards at the DC Department of Corrections told the congressional members they could not enter the facility and locked them out of the building entirely.

Footage posted by Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz shows an attorney was even barred from seeing his client inside the prison.

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) can be heard saying, “They don’t want us to know what’s happening inside.”

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Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert explained that he and his colleagues are cleared for top secret information and they often inspect facilities, but that things are different under the Biden administration.

The elected officials explained that they’ve received reports of poor treatment in the facility and simply wanted to inspect the conditions for themselves.

One prisoner published a letter complaining about poor treatment in the facility and another claimed in an interview that detainees who refuse the COVID jab are being denied basic sanitary rights.

“These are the same types of questions we ask when we go to the detention centers at the border where they house illegals that come into our country,” MTG told an OAN reporter.

After being told that a facility supervisor was outside, the congress members and media left the facility and were locked out of the building.

“It was apparently a bait and switch. We are here just to talk to a supervisor and when the supervisor came out and we came out to have that discussion, they literally ran behind us and locked the doors, ” Rep. Gaetz said.

What is going on inside the prison that would make the employees rush to block members of Congress from entering?

Whatever they were trying to hide will likely be covered up before any investigation takes place.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Why am I not surprised? Because I'm not. mad

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John Hayward explains what's going on.

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I write all the time but sometimes I can’t reach the things that are really important. The ideas fly around my brain in inchoate fashion but I lack the authorial and analytic chops to put them into words that have the power to convey to others my deepest concerns about what’s happening.

Thankfully, John Hayward doesn’t have that problem — or, at least, he doesn’t have it when it comes to the horrors Democrats have inflicted on America as they’ve politicized both the Constitutional rights of speech and assembly and the entire criminal code. Here’s John Hayward’s Twitter thread, turned (verbatim) in the prose I find easier to read:

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The 1/6 rioters should be treated with the same severity as Black Lives Matter rioters. Since that is not remotely possible, all else is political theater and raw exercises of power, and I am weary of pretenses to the contrary.

I’m weary of our ruling class sending the message that your home, business, and personal safety are at the mercy of violent Demcorat-approved grievance groups, but don’t you DARE do anything that makes the aristocracy in D.C. uncomfortable.

I’m tired of hearing the Abolish the Police Party demand limitless scrutiny and aggressive defunding of the police who protect the rest of us, but unquestioning support and increased funding for the police who protect THEM. Why not protect the Capitol with social workers, huh?

There are Democrat-controlled parts of the country where theft has literally been decriminalized, and not just during Democrat-approved riots. You have to stand and watch helplessly while your business is looted every day. But the rules are different for THEIR place of business.

The entire premise of the theatrical 1/6 hearings is supposedly that further “insurrections” are a serious threat that must be proactively addressed. That is FAR more true of Democrat-approved grievance riots. They were vastly larger, deadlier, and more likely to occur again.

No group that might contemplate barging into the Capitol was given billions of dollars in funding by politicized corporations, as BLM was. None of them enjoys anything like to [sic] the political and media support of the 2020 rioters, who even got a pass from coronavirus restrictions. Democrat-approved rioters were even given free passes from coronavirus restrictions.

Every rule on the books was bent and broken for them. Prosecution for their offenses has not been zero, but it hasn’t exactly been thorough. The message sure as hell isn’t “never do this again.”

The Democrat Party normalized and celebrated political violence for months before the Capitol riots. Let’s have some hearings on THAT. Let’s talk about how incredibly dangerous it is for one Party to think it has a monopoly on grievance-mongering, street theater, and violence.

Let’s also have some hearings about how one Party thinks it has a monopoly on questioning the outcome of elections. We could roll video of top Dems, including sitting officials, doing that for HOURS. You want theater? I’ll make the popcorn and bring the tapes.

I’m not really interested in hearing any Democrat, or their GOP footstools, give tearful speeches about sacred democracy while their party systematically destroys every bit of protection for our elections and wantonly undermines every outcome they don’t like. We have every reason to fear the full power of bloated, hyper-politicized government being turned against Americans who dissent from the ruling Party.

Show trials designed to establish the predicate that dissenters are potential violent terrorists are not exactly reassuring. There is no need to excuse or valorize anything that occurred on 1/6 to be disgusted by this week’s political spectacle. Our media tells us that “context” is everything. Well, in the full context of 2020, hysterics over 1/6 are absurd and hypocritical.

You can’t say THIS city is sacred ground, but THESE cities must be abandoned to mobs and criminals as lawless wastelands. Hell, most of D.C. outside the Capitol IS a lawless wasteland. You shrieking potentates can see murder factories through your barbed wire fences.

You can’t say THESE cops are sacred avatars of law and order whose actions merit no public scrutiny or investigation, but all the rest of them are trigger-happy racists who should be micromanaged, distrusted, disarmed, defunded, and replaced by community organizers.

You can’t say THIS politicized violence is totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted unto the end of time, but THESE people are allowed to use violence and vandalism whenever they feel the system is not addressing their grievances quickly enough.

You can’t tell me the 1st Amendment must be bypassed to silence “disinformation” because it might lead to “insurrection,” while embracing media outlets that spread Hands Up Don’t Shoot lies with wild abandon, resulting in real and immediate crime and violence.

When people who spent four years role-playing as “the Resistance” against a “stolen election” suddenly start telling us dissent and resistance are treason that will be punished without mercy, we know exactly what’s going on. It’s a grim story repeated throughout human history.

By all means, let’s have universal respect for universally RESPECTABLE elections. Let’s have zero tolerance for political violence. Let every American’s property be treated with the respect afforded to a congressman’s office. These hearings obviously aren’t about that.


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Why won't the government release Officer Fanone's bodycam video? Because they don't have to, obviously - and federal judges are only too eager to play along.

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...Which is why, as we have argued repeatedly at American Greatness, the government and U.S. Capitol Police should agree to release more than 14,000 hours of surveillance video captured by security cameras on January 6. If the four-hour melee indeed compares to the worst terrorist attacks against Americans, and ranks among the worst days in U.S. history, the public deserves to see what happened, minute-by-minute, inside and outside the building.

But it’s not just Capitol complex security video that the government is trying to conceal from the public. In a recent filing, Joe Biden’s Justice Department argued against the release of footage recorded by officer Michael Fanone’s bodycam on January 6. The D.C. Metropolitan Police narcotics officer was one of the four cops who testified last week.

Fanone, 40, said he was not supposed to be on Capitol Hill that day but that he put on an official, unworn uniform—including a body camera—for the first time in 10 years to help assist his colleagues control the chaos. Fanone also testified he was afraid he would be killed that day—either shot with his own gun or torn limb from limb by Trump fanatics. In one outburst, Fanone called insurrection deniers in Congress “disgraceful” and claimed they were “betraying their oath of office.”

Fanone is working hard to become a household name. He’s been on a part-pity, part-publicity tour for the past seven months, detailing his harrowing experience and stalking Republican members of Congress. He’s become a regular on CNN; following his testimony last Tuesday, Fanone headed to the CNN studio for an interview with Don Lemon. The two ended the segment with an embrace and expressions of love for each other.

In a front-cover profile in this week’s Time magazine, Fanone recalled how he phoned the network from his emergency room hospital bed on January 6. “Fanone looked up CNN, called the number that came up on his phone and told the woman who answered that Mike Fanone with the metropolitan police department needed to talk right away to that jerk on the air who was insulting the good name of every police officer,” Molly Ball reported. “The following week, at his urging, the department set up a round of interviews with the Washington Post and major TV networks. Fanone, one of several officers authorized to speak to the press, was the star of every segment.”

Four months later, Ball writes, Fanone was in a D.C. ritzy wine bar with other cops looking “to meet girls”—Fanone is divorced and living with his mother—when they asked the bartender to turn on CNN. Lemon was airing exclusive footage from Fanone’s body-worn camera. “The bar fell silent as the body-cam footage played,” Fanone told Ball. “And suddenly, for the first time since that day, Fanone was sobbing uncontrollably, shoulders heaving as his buddies put their arms around him.”

The Justice Department continues to release cherry-picked video clips from its massive trove of digital evidence to support the White House’s narrative that January 6 was a deadly insurrection executed by domestic terrorists. The government continues to blow through discovery deadlines in court; during a hearing last Friday, a prosecutor admitted full discovery obligations in the Capitol breach probe won’t be fulfilled until early 2022 at the earliest....


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Fanone is just another tax payer funded attention whore.


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Yep.

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Prosecutors are starting to run into some problems. Not terribly surprising.

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Prosecutors in the cases against the January 6 demonstrators are starting to run into some judicial pushback: Questions about exculpatory evidence in their possession not turned over as the law demands, lower courts assessing the defendant as more dangerous than the evidence warranted, and most significantly, whether the prosecution is overcharging defendants with the federal crime of obstruction.

Most of the defendants are charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted area -- a fancy way of saying trespassing. Defendants are entitled to see before pleading to the charges any materially exculpatory evidence in the government’s possession. Defense counsel have complained that the government has not been meeting this obligation, and the prosecution has been responding that it is unable to quickly assess all the evidence it has to meet this burden. As to those charged with trespassing, some are claiming they were invited in and, therefore, could not be guilty of the charges. The prosecution got one extension and the question is whether they should get another, a question complicated by the defendants’ right to a speedy trial. Sixteen of the defendants facing the most serious charges will not have their cases heard until next January.

This week, the Department of Justice seems to have conceded the very point of the inapplicability of some trespass charges.

In its pleading, it states: ”we possess some information that the defense may view as supportive of arguments that law enforcement authorized defendants (including Defendant) to enter the restricted grounds'. e.g., images of officers hugging or fist-bumping rioters, posing for photos with rioters, and moving bike racks, we are not in a position to state whether we have identified all such information.”


To my knowledge, two appellant courts have now held that the trial courts have erred in assessing the appellant’s dangerousness. The first such case was decided in March.

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In a 2–1 decision, the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit ordered a lower court judge to reconsider his decision to keep Eric Munchel and his mother, Lisa Eisenhart, in jail while their cases go forward. US District Judge Royce Lamberth had ruled in February that Munchel -- who was photographed inside the Capitol wearing tactical gear and holding plastic zip-tie handcuffs -- and Eisenhart presented “a clear danger to our republic” and that there were no release conditions that would “reasonably ensure the safety of the community.” But DC Circuit Judge Robert Wilkins wrote Friday that Lamberth’s 17-page opinion failed to articulate how the two posed a danger when they hadn’t actually been charged with committing specific violent acts at the Capitol on Jan. 6. Lamberth wrote that the allegations against Munchel showed that he was “willing to use force to promote his political ends,” but the appeals court found that the judge didn’t explain how he reached that conclusion when there was no evidence Munchel hurt anyone or broke anything.

“In our view, those who actually assaulted police officers and broke through windows, doors, and barricades, and those who aided, conspired with, planned, or coordinated such actions, are in a different category of dangerousness than those who cheered on the violence or entered the Capitol after others cleared the way,” Wilkins, joined by Judge Judith Rogers, wrote.

Munchel and Eisenhart will remain in jail as the case goes back to Lamberth for another round of arguments. [Judge Lamberth released them pending trial]

Friday’s opinion marks the first time the appeals court has weighed in with a specific framework for how lower court judges should think about pretrial detention in the Capitol riot cases. The decision sets precedent that is now binding on all the district court judges in DC and moves the bar higher for the government to successfully argue for pretrial detention for other defendants who, like Munchel and Eisenhart, aren’t charged with assaulting police, property destruction, or conspiracy and have minimal or no previous criminal record.


This week, another appellant court came to a like decision.

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A three-judge appeals court panel has ordered the release of West Virginia sandwich shop owner George Tanios pending trial in the Jan. 6 chemical-spray assault on three police officers including Brian D. Sicknick, who died the following day after suffering two strokes.

A lower court “clearly erred in its individualized assessment of appellant’s dangerousness,” the judges from the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said in an order filed Monday night.

“The record reflects that Tanios has no past felony convictions, no ties to any extremist organizations, and no post-January 6 criminal behavior that would otherwise show him to pose a danger to the community within the meaning of the Bail Reform Act,” the order said.


The most serious hurdle to date was also raised this week when U.S. District Judge Randolph D. Moss questioned whether it was appropriate to imply obstruction charges against 235 defendants. The government’s claim is that the actions of these defendants constituted a violation of the federal “obstruction” statutes because their conduct disrupted the congressional certification of the presidential election. Judge Moss is no babe in the wood, he headed the department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel and now chairs the Federal Judiciary’s Committee on Criminal Law. (In my view the federal crimes of “conspiracy” and “obstruction” are overly broad and misused by prosecutors. It is what was used to destroy the Arthur Anderson accounting firm and it was no compensation that the Supreme Court unanimously held that the firm’s conduct did not constitute “obstruction.” It had recommended destruction of records in the ordinary course of events, and if that made the government’s case more difficult it was not done for that purpose. Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States, 543 U.S. 1042 (2005).

In any event, Judge Moss questioned whether the charges aren’t unconstitutionally vague and asked the parties to brief how the Justice Department distinguished “felony conduct under the statute, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, from misdemeanor offenses, such as shouting to interrupt a congressional hearing.”

“‘Unless we can tell the public where that line is, there’s a problem.” You bet there is. Criminal statutes should be clear and consistent to provide guidance to all, and it’s hard to see how they can be when prosecutors have charged people who aren't accused of violence or destruction. Is sitting in the vice-president’s chair really obstruction of Congress. to take one example?

This hurdle will certainly slow down the impetus to plead guilty -- it’s one thing to face a misdemeanor charge and quite another to risk a 20-year sentence.
If the prosecution believes this conduct had been seditious or an insurrection, they would have charged it. Obviously, they lack the evidence to sustain such serious claims. Will they now re-charge for lesser offenses? We’ll see. I think Judge Moss might have, as I do, recalled the recent Kavanaugh hearings and their disruption when he asked the government whether it could cite any other cases in which the government charged comparable conduct. The department could not.


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About that "Justice for J6" rally in Washington on Sept. 18, it might be a good idea to stay away. It looks for all the world like a false flag trap. And even the "Proud Boys" agree:

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...Not everyone on Trump’s side thinks this rally is a good idea. The Proud Boys are looking at it as a “false flag” event meant to entrap even more Trumpsters.

Messages from the Proud Boys Telegram channel show that the pro-Trump antifa-boppers aren’t interested in attending the rally.

“We aren’t going and you shouldn’t either because everybody going to jail. Sounds like bait,” stated one message.

“If you rally in DC right now, you’re an idiot and you’re going to get people thrown in jail or worse,” the group added.


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it might be a good idea to stay away It looks for all the world like a false flag trap.

While that may be true, one would be wise to recall the months of high-intensity PSYOP surrounding the election. The psychological impact of “trust the plan,” “stay out of the way,” “they’re trying to provoke a civil war,” “it’s a trap,” “it’s a false-flag,” “remember what happened to the January 6 protesters,” and so forth, was devastating to the cause of Liberty. The objective of that very obvious PSYOP was to intimidate, confuse, demobilize and demoralize. That PSYOP was a resounding success. Any would-be resistance was neutralized before it even began, leaving the traitor with a virtually uncontested victory over the pacified dissents.

The fact of the matter is, if we can’t mobilize substantial numbers even for just a peaceful protest, then we can’t accomplish anything meaningful.

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“This morning the United States Capitol Police arrested a California man who had multiple knives in his truck near the Democratic National Committee headquarters ... Around midnight, a Special Operation Division Officer was on patrol when he noticed a Dodge Dakota pickup truck, with a swastika and other white supremacist symbols painted on it, outside of the DNC headquarters. The truck did not have a license plate. Instead, a picture of an American flag was placed where the license plate should have been. The Capitol Police officer pulled over the truck ... officers noticed a bayonet and machete, which are illegal in Washington DC, inside the truck. The driver, 44-year-old Donald Craighead of Oceanside, California was arrested for Possession of Prohibited Weapons. Craighead said he was ‘on patrol’ and began talking about white supremacist ideology and other rhetoric pertaining to white supremacy ... it is not clear if he was planning to attend any upcoming demonstrations“
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/uscp-officers-arrest-california-man-bayonet-machete

This incident, occurring today in DC near the DNC Headquarters, has all the hallmarks of the right-wing white-supremacist homegrown terrorist narrative being heavily propagated by the government and media. It also bears resemblance to the events of January 6th itself, where an individual placed two pipe bombs near the DNC Headquarters.

I believe this incident is a component of the aforementioned PSYOP campaign and this incident has been staged for dissident consumption. I further believe it is intended to remind would-be protesters of the events of January 6th, the undesirable outcome for myriad of the protesters that day, and to suggest another high-intensity incident may occur, false-flag or not, implying that many September 18th protesters may share the fate of the January 6th protesters, therefore intimidating would-be protesters and reducing dissident mobilization.

As a reminder, when the Boogaloo armed protests at state capitals occurred, there were myriad warnings that it would involve a “false-flag” and “trap.” The protest ultimately had a very small turnout because would-be protesters had been pacified through this intimidation. There was no false-flag, and nobody was trapped. I further remind you of the barricades and military occupation of DC which followed January 6th, indicating that the traitor realized he had a great deal more to fear of the People than the People did of the state. The traitor, more specifically, understood that January 6th could have very easily evolved into a Maidan-type revolution. The Capitol could have been captured; Washington could have been captured. A series of events could have transpired leading to not only a threat to government continuity, but in fact an existential crisis for the traitor himself. The People needn’t fear the traitor nor his government goons, because the PSYOP intended to pacify the People is in fact an indication of the traitor’s own fear and impotence.

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“If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty ... what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?“
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This won't help the government. 49% of Americans - including 45% of Democrats - agree the Jan. 6 defendants are political prisoners. Just 42% disagree.

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In a shock survey likely to draw even more attention to this weekend’s “Justice for J6” rally, nearly half of voters believe those charged in the Capitol riots are political prisoners.

According to the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, 49% said that those jailed for violence and other charges are being held as “political prisoners.” Some 30% “strongly” agree.

Just 42% disagree, said the survey.

Notably, 45% of Democrats agree that the more than 500 arrested are political prisoners.

Rasmussen also found more agree that the FBI’s Jan. 6 dragnet is targeting “patriots.”

Asked to agree or disagree with this statement: “The Department of Justice and the FBI have targeted, imprisoned, and persecuted non-violent American patriots,” 48% agreed, and 46% disagreed.

The findings are surprising considering the general negative media coverage of the pro-Trump riots that led to the U.S. Capitol Police killing of one protester, Ashli Babbitt, as she tried to enter the House floor.

The survey comes in advance of the weekend "Justice for J6" rally, when about 700 are expected to speak out in support of those arrested and targeted in the protest described as an “insurrection” and worse than 9/11 in the liberal media....


Read the whole thing at the link.

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“Trump acknowledged the widespread disgust that most Americans have for the professional political class in Washington, DC. ‘There’s a discontent with everything having to do with politics,’ Trump said about the general political situation in the country. ‘People are so disgusted with the way people are being treated from the Jan. 6 situation. It’s a combination of that compared to how Antifa and BLM were treated. When you compare the treatment, it is so unjust, it is so unfair. It’s disgraceful.’ Trump also characterized the planned Sept. 18 rally at the U.S. Capitol as a ‘setup meant to denigrate Republican voters regardless of what transpires. ‘Saturday, that’s a setup,’ Trump said, referring to the rally. ‘If people don’t show up they’ll say, Oh, it’s a lack of spirit. And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.’”
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The traitor will be watching, closely studying the American spirit, or lack thereof. When far-left extremists were rampaging through our communities challenged by only very limited resistance, the traitor was inspired and knew he could safely escalate. When the People were forced out of work and imprisoned within their own homes without meaningful resistance, the traitor was again inspired. When Democracy was blatantly usurped and the People’s voice in government stripped from them, again without significant resistance, the traitor was once more inspired, and again knew he could safely escalate.

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“And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.”

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Originally Posted by Navarro
..."Trump also characterized the planned Sept. 18 rally at the U.S. Capitol as a ‘setup’ ... If people don’t show up they’ll say, 'Oh, it’s a lack of spirit,' And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.’”


Sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by Navarro
“Trump acknowledged the widespread disgust that most Americans have for the professional political class in Washington, DC. ‘There’s a discontent with everything having to do with politics,’ Trump said about the general political situation in the country. ‘People are so disgusted with the way people are being treated from the Jan. 6 situation. It’s a combination of that compared to how Antifa and BLM were treated. When you compare the treatment, it is so unjust, it is so unfair. It’s disgraceful.’ Trump also characterized the planned Sept. 18 rally at the U.S. Capitol as a ‘setup meant to denigrate Republican voters regardless of what transpires. ‘Saturday, that’s a setup,’ Trump said, referring to the rally. ‘If people don’t show up they’ll say, Oh, it’s a lack of spirit. And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.’”
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“What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?“
-Thomas Jefferson

The traitor will be watching, closely studying the American spirit, or lack thereof. When far-left extremists were rampaging through our communities challenged by only very limited resistance, the traitor was inspired and knew he could safely escalate. When the People were forced out of work and imprisoned within their own homes without meaningful resistance, the traitor was again inspired. When Democracy was blatantly usurped and the People’s voice in government stripped from them, again without significant resistance, the traitor was once more inspired, and again knew he could safely escalate.

The traitor is a calculating coward, and he’ll be watching September 18th.
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“And if people do show up they’ll be harassed.”

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
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It would appear that yet another protest has taken place with little turnout and muted spirit. Once again the PSYOP campaign was successful at proactively pacifying and silencing the People through intimidating them with the “it’s a trap” and other propaganda narratives. The controlled opposition and organizers on the main stage further confused, pacified and distracted the relatively few protesters who attended. Fortunately, there was a militia side protest with genuinely patriotic speakers being fairly direct. As with other post-J6 protests, social media censorship lead to little coverage beyond that of the impotent controlled opposition narrative, an effort to silence the voice of the dissident Patriot in order to prevent him from informing or inspiring others.


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They estimated the crowd at 400 to 500 people. There were more reporters there than protesters.

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From the "Justice for J6" rally - select all the squares with an undercover fed in it.

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Capitol Police whistleblower accuses 2 senior leaders of lying and failing to respond.

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A former high-ranking Capitol Police official with knowledge of the department’s response to the Jan. 6 attack has sent congressional leaders a scathing letter accusing two of its senior leaders of mishandling intelligence and failing to respond properly during the riot.

The whistleblower, who requested anonymity for privacy reasons and left the force months after the attack, sent the 16-page letter late last month to the top members of both parties in the House and Senate. His missive makes scorching allegations against Sean Gallagher, the Capitol Police’s acting chief of uniformed operations, and Yogananda Pittman, its assistant chief of police for protective and intelligence operations — who also served as its former acting chief.

The whistleblower accuses Gallagher and Pittman of deliberately choosing not to help officers under attack on Jan. 6 and alleges that Pittman lied to Congress about an intelligence report Capitol Police received before that day’s riot. After a lengthy career in the department, the whistleblower was a senior official on duty on Jan. 6.

The whistleblower’s criticism went beyond Capitol Police leaders to Congress. Without naming specific lawmakers, his letter accuses congressional leaders of having “purposefully failed” to tell the truth about the department’s failures.

POLITICO obtained the letter detailing the allegations, which is circulating among Capitol Police officers, and is publishing portions of it here. To protect the whistleblower’s identity, POLITICO is not publishing the letter in full.

“The truth may be valued less than politics by many members of the congressional community to include those that have made decisions about the leadership of the USCP post January 6th, but I believe the truth still matters to real people and certainly the men and women of the U.S. Capitol Police,” the whistleblower wrote.

A spokesperson for the Capitol Police sent a statement in response to the letter that begins: “A lot has changed since January 6. Although there is more work to do, many of the problems described in the letter have been addressed.”

The spokesperson added that the department “has implemented, and continues to implement, many of the critical recommendations called for in” a Senate inquiry into Jan. 6, a separate review conducted by retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, and multiple probes by its own inspector general...


Read the whole thing at the link.

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This is way too long to post here; but you should take the time to read it.

Federal Protection of “Oath Keepers” Kingpin Stewart Rhodes Breaks The Entire Capitol “Insurrection” Lie Wide Open

https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/s...sing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/


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Jacob Chansley - AKA QAnon Shaman, the "horns guy," - is facing 51 months in prison. That would be the longest sentence requested for the Jan. 6 protesters.

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The Justice Department is asking for the so-called QAnon Shaman, who wore a headdress and posed shirtless on the Senate floor during the siege of the US Capitol, to be sentenced to a prison term of more than four years, the longest incarceration prosecutors have asked for any guilty January 6 defendant so far, according to a new court filing.

Prosecutors' request for the high-profile Capitol riot defendant Jacob Chansley is as a harsh assessment of his crime and calls him "quite literally, their flagbearer" among the mob on January 6.

In their sentencing request to the judge filed late Tuesday night, prosecutors made clear they hope to use Chansley's sentence as an example to deter future attacks on the government.

The attempted coup, prosecutors wrote, "has made us all question the safety and security of the country in which we live."

"Those enormous harms, borne out of the acts of this defendant, must be deterred so that we never see a similar assault on our democracy again," they continued.

Chansley is set to be sentenced next Wednesday by Federal Judge Royce Lamberth of the DC District Court, as one of the first felony defendants to receive his punishment. He has been in jail for nearly 10 months....


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Funny thing...Thomas Jefferson would've approved of the Jan 6 demand for a redress of grievances. Matter of fact, he would've probably led it.


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Jan. 6 Defendants Taken Out Of Cells On Stretchers: Court Filing


By Zachary Stieber | The Epoch Times Sunday, November 14, 2021

Multiple Jan. 6 defendants were taken out of their cells on stretchers on Thursday, according to a court filing.

The situation started when one of the defendants refused to wear a mask, family members of Kelly Meggs, who is being held in the D.C. Jail, told Meggs lawyer.

Prison guards began spraying a chemical substance described as “some kind of mace or pepper spray, according to a filing in federal court.

“They sprayed mace or some type of gas at an inmate and kept missing so it went into an intake that fed into other cells and the lady with the key left because she didn’t like the gas, so the inmates in the cells who were being fed the gas from that intake were locked in for like 15 minutes while it was going into their rooms and they couldn’t see/breathe,” the family told Jonathon Moseley, the lawyer.

More than one of the defendants was taken out on stretchers to medical bays.

Julie Kelly, a writer for the American Greatness, reported on Wednesday that prison guards filled an area of the jail with chemical spray and three detainees had to be taken out on stretchers.

Moseley and the D.C. Department of Corrections did not respond to requests for comment.

The lawyer said his client was not in one of the cells that the gas was cycled into by the ventilation system. He urged the court to explore with the Bureau of Prisons and Congress whether any federal funds are already or can be allocated to repair and upgrade the D.C. Jail facilities.

Neither prosecutors nor the judge has yet responded to the filing.

The jail has been under heightened scrutiny in recent months due to its holding of dozens of people accused of participating in the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

One defendant, Christopher Worrell, was released from pretrial custody last week because U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth became troubled by the lack of proper medical care he received from the jail.

The U.S. Marshals Service showed up unannounced at the facilities in mid-October. Officials deemed the part holding Jan. 6 detainees suitable but found conditions in another part that “do not meet the minimum standards of confinement,” the agency said in a recent statement.

Lamont Ruffin, the acting U.S. Marshal for Washington, told Quincy Booth, director of the D.C. Department of Corrections, in a letter that he personally went to the jail and saw “evidence of systemic failures.”

Prison guards routinely shut off water to cells as punishment and multiple cells had “large amounts of standing human sewage (urine and feces) in the toilets,” inspectors found. Additionally, guards were observed antagonizing detainees and hot meals were observed being served “cold and congealed.”

Jail officials were ordered to transfer around 400 detainees, or 36 percent of the inmates in the Central Treatment Facility, one of the facilities that makes up the D.C. Jail, to a prison in another state.

Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), after months of attempts, were able to tour the facilities last week. Greene said she witnessed terrible conditions, including Jan. 6 detainees receiving “very poor food” and “virtually no medical care.”

“I want to be very clear that we will deal with those deficiencies so that we have a safe jail until such time that the District is able to build a new one,” Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser, a Democrat who helped the members secure access, told The Epoch Times in an email.

Avis Buchanan, director of the Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia, said in a statement it has called out the treatment of detainees at the D.C. Jail for years.

“The inhumane conditions have included long-term solitary confinement for people with no disciplinary issues, lack of running water, full illumination of cells for 24-hours per day resulting in sleep deprivation, cells soiled with feces and blood, lack of air conditioning during the summer, and heat during the winter, lack of proper medical care, failure to provide mental health treatment, and physical and mental abuse by correctional officers of people in their custody,” Buchanan said.

Councilman Charles Allen, the Democrat chairman of the D.C. City Council’s Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety, described the situation as “a crisis” during a remote hearing this week.

“I do not use that term lightly. The District of Columbia has a moral and constitutional duty to provide humane and dignified conditions of confinement and to do so immediately. And that’s not happening here,” he added.

D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine, a Democrat, acknowledged during the hearing that concerns about the conditions in the jail “received little attention until they were raised, of course, by mostly white defendants accused of perpetrating the Jan. 6” breach, adding, “That’s not because people weren’t complaining.”

Chris Geldart, a deputy mayor, told councilmembers that there are “systemic issues” at the jail and the issues raised by U.S. Marshals were being addressed, but also claimed that the problems were “not so pervasive that [the jail] has become uninhabitable.”

Geldart also confirmed that Marshals were blocked from re-entering the facilities about a week after the inspection, pinning the decision on the warden.

The D.C. Department of Corrections and the U.S. Marshals Service on Nov. 10 entered into a memorandum of understanding that outlines plans to improve conditions at the jail. Each party is forbidden from issuing press releases or speaking to the media about the agreement without consent from the other party.


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The horns guy got 41 months in prison. He's already served ten of them.

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Jacob Chansley, the horned, shirtless figure known as the QAnon Shaman who participated in the mob storming the Capitol on January 6, was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the riot.

If a 3.5-year sentence sounds harsh for what was ultimately a nonviolent charge—obstructing an official proceeding in Congress—consider that Chansley has already spent the past several months in jail in solitary confinement.

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Before announcing his sentence, Judge Lamberth told Chansley he believes that his remorse is genuine and heartfelt, but he also told Chansley that "what you did was terrible."

He said Chansley had made the right decision to plead guilty and take responsibility for his actions, instead of going to trial where he faced a much longer possible sentence.

"You were facing 20 years, Mr. Chansley. The one advantage you get here is you're only facing now 41 months," Lamberth said. "It may not feel it today, but let me guarantee you, you were smart and did the right thing."

The sentenced handed down was less than the 51 months the Justice Department had recommended for Chansley, whom prosecutors described as the "flag bearer" of the Capitol riot.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kimberly Paschall told the court at the start of the hearing that such a sentence was necessary "to send a strong message" to Chansley and anyone who would wish to do harm to the country.


Chansley felt he had no choice but to accept the plea deal that came with that 41-month sentence, of course, because he couldn't risk a trial that could send him to prison for 20 years. This is the sad reality of the criminal justice system: Defendants often plead guilty in order to avoid absurdly long mandatory sentences, and are thus denied the opportunity to actually attempt to prove their innocence before a jury of their peers.

The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners, and they are certainly not heroes. They committed trespassing and broke other laws, and it's legitimate for the government to prosecute them. But this sentence is too harsh; Chansley did not commit a violent crime, and is certainly unlikely to re-offend. If prosecutors disagree, they should have to prove that to a jury: Unfortunately, the threat of an even lengthier sentence prompts most defendants to fall in line.


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Don't punish the horns guy for demanding a jury trial. Or anyone else either.

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Jacob Chansley, the "QAnon Shaman" whose face became fodder for front-page news spreads when he broke into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 while wearing patriotic face-paint and a horned headdress, was sentenced to 41 months in prison yesterday.

The punishment, handed down by Judge Royce C. Lamberth in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, was widely covered. But almost every news outlet skirted over the most insidious part of the proceedings.

"You were facing 20 years, Mr. Chansley," said the judge, telling him he was "smart" for not going to trial. "You did the right thing."

The "right" thing. At first glance, I'd posit most readers wouldn't think much of that; plea bargains are a core part of the U.S. criminal justice system. Yet in being frank with Chansley, Lamberth laid bare why those "bargains" are raw deals: Had Chansley insisted on his constitutional right to a trial by jury, he would have been staring down more than 16 additional years in prison.
That's not because the government believes such a stratospheric sentence would serve public safety. It's because prosecutors routinely inflate hypothetical prison sentences and dangle them over defendants in order to bully them out of going to trial, where outcomes are both costly and uncertain.

In plainer terms, Chansley could have received almost 6 times a higher sentence solely for exercising his constitutional rights—something the judge here not only acknowledged but celebrated.

This is in no way unique to the January 6 defendants.

"The way the modern criminal justice system is structured, we punish people if they try to go to trial, which is sort of an astounding thing to say out loud," says Carissa Byrne Hessick, a professor of law at the University of North Carolina and the author of Punishment Without Trial: Why Plea Bargaining Is a Bad Deal. "And yet it's entirely commonplace….Judges are quite explicit that they impose heavier sentences on people who go to trial."

Lamberth said the quiet part out loud yesterday. But judges are not where the plea-bargaining problem begins or ends. For years, tough-on-crime legislators have passed laws that allow prosecutors to hit defendants with multiple charges for the same offense, giving the government leverage to threaten the accused with grotesquely inflated punishments. The escape hatch: Agree to waive your constitutional right to a trial by a jury of your peers, and accept whatever the authorities will give you.

"State officials, prosecutors, judges are trying to keep cases from going to trial because it's expensive," says Hessick. If it were about public safety, would a plea have been offered in the first place? Take Chansley: Of course the federal government does not believe he needs to stay behind prison walls for two decades. If they thought so, they wouldn't have agreed to the deal.

The trials for the January 6 defendants have been highly politicized, and how you feel about Chansley's sentence may have something to do with your political priors. But the injustice inherent to plea bargaining is not partisan. Indeed, it infiltrates the entire U.S. criminal justice system and disproportionately impacts defendants without means.

Some would argue the practice is unconstitutional. Prosecutors in Maricopa County, Arizona, for instance, make no attempt to conceal the fact that defendants are pressured to take plea deals before seeing the evidence against them or getting a chance to attend a pretrial hearing. The accused receive a warning on those deals: "The offer is withdrawn" if a defendant wants to attend their hearing, and "any subsequent officer will be substantially harsher." The American Civil Liberties Union is suing to stop this practice.

Consider Michael Calhoun, a 61-year-old man who the Maricopa County Attorney's Office offered an excess of nine years in prison for selling about $20 worth of drugs. He has never been arrested for a violent offense, according to police records. Yet should he have the audacity to ask a jury to consider the charges against him, he will receive something "substantially harsher" than that near-decade "deal."


This is one reason why 97 percent of trials in the U.S. are resolved via guilty pleas. If prosecutors threaten someone with a decades-long sentence, and a defendant is worried about his likelihood of acquittal, it's no wonder that so many take such deals, opting to minimize risk. That obviously includes guilty people. But it includes innocent people too.

And even defendants we think are guilty are entitled to their Sixth Amendment rights. The Founders understood that rigid safeguards were necessary to ensure that the innocent weren't deprived of their liberty. So they made it difficult to convict people—something prosecutors clearly understand and would like to circumvent.


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If people knew that a jurist can judge the law besides judging guilt or innocence a lot of people would be set free. The QAnon Shaman is a dope for Q who got duped but he did not harm anyone. It was all a Q setup. The charge should have been dropped

The damn leftist communist agitators who rioted, committed arson, threw explosive devices at police, and blinded people with lasers are the ones who should be sent to prison.


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Originally Posted by Texas Resistance
If people knew that a jurist can judge the law besides judging guilt or innocence a lot of people would be set free.

I noticed in the Rittenhouse trial the first page of the jury instructions included this:
“Regardless of any opinion you may have about what the law is or ought to be, you must base your verdict on the law I give you in these instructions.”
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Those instructions don’t appear to allow for jury nullification. I understand the courts are resistant to the concept of jury nullification, despite longstanding precedence. What the details are, I don’t know. I suspect however that a juror who openly admits to employing jury nullification is at risk of being booted from the jury. One who wishes to ignore legal from illegal in favor of right from wrong, or even to ignore a law because it conflicts with the Constitution which is the supreme law of the land, such a juror would be wise to simply vote “not guilty” and keep any reasoning related to jury nullification to him or herself. Unfortunately, that would prevent that juror from informing other jurors of the concept of jury nullification, therefore preventing that juror from influencing the vote of other jurors toward nullification.

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The QAnon Shaman is a dope for Q who got duped but he did not harm anyone. It was all a Q setup. The charge should have been dropped

The damn leftist communist agitators who rioted, committed arson, threw explosive devices at police, and blinded people with lasers are the ones who should be sent to prison.

Agreed.


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One time I reported for jury selection when there was a woman there charged for spanking her teenage child with an extension cord. I stood up and yelled, "it says in the Bible, the holy word of God, spare the rod spoil the child." "The law of God is superior to any man made law." As I expected, I was immediately excluded from being on the jury. I did not think I would be chosen anyway but I hoped my outburst would influence everyone that was chosen to be on the jury.


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I'd imagine everyone here has heard of the Fully Informed Jury Association. If anyone hasn't here is their website. "An Essay on the Trial By Jury," by Lysander Spooner, is also available online here.

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press release from The Pragmatic Constitutionalist:

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - November 22, 2021

Independent Journalist to be Prosecuted for Coverage of January 6th Events


Steve Baker, well-known on various social media platforms as The Pragmatic Constitutionalist, is facing criminal charges for his non-violent, non-participatory coverage of the events in DC January 6th. Immediately following the events that day, Mr. Baker released several videos and long-form blogs to his tens-of-thousands of followers about what he witnessed. Nine and half months later he was contacted by the FBI with a request for a voluntary “interview.” Because of Baker’s long-established reputation as a political writer and journalist, the FBI had to receive special permission from the US Attorney General’s office to conduct the interview.

The transcripts show the FBI agents conducting that interview verbally “thanked” Baker for “not” participating in violence or property destruction that day, as is consistent with the thousands of hours of video they have reviewed. Baker only videoed events as they unfolded — from the rally at The Ellipse to the US Capitol steps, and eventually inside the Capitol Building. Baker’s videos have been used by such diverse media outlets as WUSA in DC, the New York Times, and Newsmax TV. His many stories written about the events of January 6th have been read by hundreds of thousands of people.

The FBI insists upon searching Mr. Baker's premises and electronic devices. The stated purpose is to obtain all raw video footage of January 6th, however, Mr. Baker is an active journalist investigating other questionable government activities, including certain agencies’ involvement leading up to and on the day of January 6th. The FBI will also obtain this information by default — information they're not entitled to or in any way related to this case. This is an egregious violation of Mr. Baker's right to privacy and may be a tactic designed to discourage and suppress Mr. Baker's First Amendment rights as a citizen and journalist.

Unaffiliated with any political party, Baker wore no Trump paraphernalia and carried no flags on January 6th. He participated in no acts of violence, engaged in no property damage, did no taunting of law enforcement officers, did not breach any police lines or barricades, did not engage in the activity of “parading” inside the Capitol Building, and did not enter the building until after the Capitol Police and Metro DC Police were ordered to “stand down” and allow the public’s entry. He’d informed his readers, in advance, of his intention to cover the rally in DC, then as the day and riotous events unfolded, he simply followed the historic event as it developed. As any good journalist would do.

To reach Steve Baker for an interview about this developing story, he can be contacted directly at:

919-272-5231
steve@thepragmaticconstitutionalist.com

To review his lengthy firsthand accounting and analysis of the events of January, please visit these links:

https://thepragmaticconstitutionalist.com/2021/01/what-i-saw-on-january-6th-in-washington-dc/

https://thepragmaticconstitutionalist.com/2021/02/who-was-up-the-chain-on-january-6th/


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“Absolute And Unmitigated Liars”: Former DC National Guard Official Says Generals Fabricated January 6th Account


By ZeroHedge Monday, December 06, 2021

A former DC National Guard official has accused two senior Army officials of lying to Congress about the circumstances surrounding the January 6th Capitol riot in order to protect a top Army official who didn’t want to send the Guard to the Capitol, Politico reports.

In a 36-page memo sent to the Jan. 6 select committee this month, Col. Earl Matthews – who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon positions under Trump – accused Army General Charles Flynn and Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt of being “absolute and unmitigated liars” for how they characterized the events of Jan. 6.

Of note, Flynn served as deputy chief of staff for operations on Jan. 6, while Matthews was serving as the top attorney to Maj. Gen. William Walker – then commanding general of the DC National Guard. Matthews was in a unique position to know what happened that day.

Matthews’ memo defends the Capitol attack response by Walker, who now serves as the House sergeant at arms, amplifying Walker’s previous congressional testimony about the hourslong delay in the military’s order for the D.C. National Guard to deploy to the riot scene. -Politico

Matthews accuses Flynn and Piatt of lying to Congress about how they responded to urgent requests for the DC guard to be quickly deployed, and claims that the Pentagon inspector general’s November report on the attack was “replete with factual inaccuracies.”

He says the Army has created its own ‘closely held’ revisionist document regarding the riot that’s “worthy of the best Stalinist or North Korea propagandist.’

“Every leader in the D.C. Guard wanted to respond and knew they could respond to the riot at the seat of government,” reads the memo.

Instead of responding, however, DC guard officials “set [sic] stunned watching in the Armory” while the attack unfolded for two hours during the certification of the 2020 election results.

The memo follows Walker’s own public call for the inspector general to retract its detailed report on the events of Jan. 6, as first reported by The Washington Post. Walker told the Post he objected to specific allegations by the Pentagon watchdog that Matthews’ memo also criticizes, calling the inspector general’s report “inaccurate” and “sloppy work.” -Politico

What actually went down, according to Matthews:

The memo says that at 2:30 p.m. on January 6, Matthews and Walker were on a conference call with senior military and law enforcement officials, in which then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund “pleaded” for the immediate deployment of the National Guard to the Capitol after rioters breached the perimeter.

Piatt and Flynn denied the request.

“LTG Piatt stated that it would not be his best military advice to recommend to the Secretary of the Army that the D.C. National Guard be allowed to deploy to the Capitol at that time,” Matthews wrote, adding: “LTGs Piatt and Flynn stated that the optics of having uniformed military personnel deployed to the U.S. Capitol would not be good.”

Instead, Piatt and Flynn suggested that the Guardsmen serve as de-facto DC police traffic control officers so that the cops could attend to the Capitol.

In another document obtained by Politico, Piatt and Flynn “recommended for DC Guard to standby” at 2:37 p.m. rather than immediately deploying to the Capitol during the riot.

Four minutes later, Flynn again “advised D.C. National Guard to standby until the request has been routed” to then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy as well as then-acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

Matthews says everyone on the call was “astounded.”

Piatt and Flynn then lied to Congress – denying that they had said the Guard shouldn’t deploy to the Capitol.

According to Matthews, they committed “outright perjury.”

Read the rest of the report here, and Matthews’ memo by clicking here.


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It wasn't much more than a glorified panty raid, but the politicians and the media sure are making the most of it on this first anniversary.

I suppose we should be grateful. As long as they're talking about this, they're not doing anything else to destroy this country.

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Well said.

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Re: The Jan. 6 Show Trials [Re: airforce] #177301
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Question asked, and answered.

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Jill Sandborn might not realize it, but she actually answered a lot of questions.

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Re: The Jan. 6 Show Trials [Re: airforce] #177303
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So Epps must be an agent or a paid informant since they won't answer. I remember how it came out in court that there were at least 15 paid informants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge standoff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

One of the informants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge standoff, Fabio Minoggio alias "John Killman" the name I knew him by also attended a militia training exercise in Oklahoma in 2009 that I saw him at. See: https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/defense_rests_with_witness_con.html
He was also doing border ops in Arizona and was probably snitching on them too.

The Jan. 6th incident in the District of Criminals was was a QAnon, FBI, and Goerge Soros set up to vilify patriots, Trump, and steal elections.


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Leader of Oath Keepers, ten others indicted for Seditious Conspiracy and other charges.

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Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses related to U.S. Capitol Breach
Eight Others Facing Charges in Two Related Cases


WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment yesterday, which was unsealed today, charging 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

According to court documents, Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, of Granbury, Texas, who is the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers; and Edward Vallejo, 63, of Phoenix, Arizona, are being charged for the first time in connection with events leading up to and including Jan. 6. Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was arrested this morning in Phoenix.

In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.


Eight other individuals affiliated with the Oath Keepers, all previously charged in the investigation, remain as defendants in two related cases. All defendants – except Rhodes and Vallejo – previously were charged in a superseding indictment. The superseding indictment has now effectively been split into three parts: the 11-defendant seditious conspiracy case, a seven-defendant original case, and a third case against one of the previously charged defendants.

In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.

The three indictments collectively charge all 19 defendants with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. Eighteen of the 19 defendants – the exception is Walden – are charged with conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiring to prevent an officer of the United States from discharging a duty. Eleven of the 19 defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. Some of the defendants are also facing other related charges.

As alleged in the indictments, the Oath Keepers are a large but loosely organized collection of individuals, some of whom are associated with militias. Though the Oath Keepers will accept anyone as members, they explicitly focus on recruiting current and former military, law enforcement, and first-responder personnel. Members and affiliates of the Oath Keepers were among the individuals and groups who forcibly entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The seditious conspiracy indictment alleges that, following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants and others to oppose by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021. Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes and various co-conspirators coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote, the indictment alleges. Rhodes and several co-conspirators made plans to bring weapons to the area to support the operation. The co-conspirators then traveled across the country to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in early January 2021.

According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.

On Jan. 6, 2021, a large crowd began to gather outside the Capitol perimeter as the Joint Session of Congress got under way at 1 p.m. Crowd members eventually forced their way through, up, and over U.S. Capitol Police barricades and advanced to the building’s exterior façade. Shortly after 2 p.m., crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol police and other law enforcement officers. At about this time, according to the indictment, Rhodes entered the restricted area of the Capitol grounds and directed his followers to meet him at the Capitol.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., as detailed in the indictment, Hackett, Harrelson, Meggs, Moerschel, and Watkins, and other Oath Keepers and affiliates – many wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia – marched in a “stack” formation up the east steps of the Capitol, joined a mob, and made their way into the Capitol. Later, another group of Oath Keepers and associates, including James, Minuta, and Ulrich, formed a second “stack” and breached the Capitol grounds, marching from the west side to the east side of the Capitol building and up the east stairs and into the building.

While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.

The charge of seditious conspiracy carries a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.


This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Valuable assistance was provided by U.S. Attorney’s Offices in the Northern District of Texas and the District of Arizona.

The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office with valuable assistance provided by the FBI’s Dallas and Phoenix Field Offices. These charges are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices, including those in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona, Alabama and Georgia, among other locations.

In the one year since Jan. 6, more than 725 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 225 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.

Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.


Download U.S. v. Rhodes et al - indictment

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Note Epps is not mentioned.


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You noticed that too, eh? Yeah, I think that's more than a little suspicious.

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Re: The Jan. 6 Show Trials [Re: airforce] #177319
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Did you hear the interview on A. Jones last night?


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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No, I didn't. Who was it?

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