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ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home

Posted By: ConSigCor

ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/13/2010 09:16 AM

ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home

by Nathan Gonzalez - Jul. 12, 2010 12:40 PM
The Arizona Republic

Authorities from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raided a home in unincorporated East Mesa early Monday and pulled 1,000 guns from the residence.

ATF officials would not comment on the nature of the investigation.

The owner of the property near 84th Street and McDowell Road is listed in Maricopa County property records as Robert Bruce Daly and Lois Daly.

The property is also listed as the business address of several entities, including Buffalo Brothers Cowboy Store, which advertises a variety of Wild West memorabilia, including "a large assortment of handguns, rifles, shotguns, and knives for sale."

Authorities did not say whether anyone had been taken into custody.

Neighbor Robert Chaney, who has lived across the street from the Dalys for 15 years, said he awoke about 6 a.m. to find roughly two dozen ATF and Marciopa County Sheriff's vehicles surrounding his neighbors' home.

He saw agents on the roof with automatic weapons, apparently searching the attic and ductwork.

Chaney described the neighborhood as the kind of place where "people move out of the city to to escape from civilization."

Chaney's sister, Cynthia Standish, said she would be surprised to learn the Dalys had been involved in anything illegal because they were the family that always sang Christmas Carols on the street and brought gifts for everyone.
Posted By: danfromwindsor

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/13/2010 10:13 AM

Something stinks about that raid.
Posted By: ParaSkS-DEACTIVATED

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/13/2010 12:59 PM

Knowing the ATF they probably thought they were Mexican drug cartels. Is this confirmed, however? Maybe one was loosely tied to some criminal from the distant past that doesn't matter. Or just and ego stroke for the special agent in charge. If anything, it's the always tyrannical faggots, stupidity knows no bounds.
However, there is a serious possibility with the arizonian-federal conflict that they are trying to disarm the arizonians as a "quelling" measure.
Posted By: D308cat

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/13/2010 02:30 PM

In the past this kind of thing was done in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties to Licenced collectors and dealers who regularly (legally)transferred firearms to there personal collections. Under the false accusations of drugs or illegal transfer of firearms,with the intent of inventorying and gathering serial #'s, also for PR to show the war on guns and drugs. What is not told is that 98% of the time no law has been broken and every thing is returned to the owners,except there reputations and the ever increasing cost's of court.If you resist in any way you loose your licences. We are in a fight to the end for our Constitutional rights. The war has already started.
Posted By: Imagrunt

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/13/2010 07:31 PM

BATFE usually pulls this kind of stunt when they are justifying their budget for Congress.

All for show, and I am very happy to learn that no one was harmed physically.

BATFE is by far the best example of a federal agency that simply should not exist in a free society.

Why?

Because an armed society is a polite society.
Posted By: coydog

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/16/2010 06:42 AM

Hell the answer for what they did wrong in right here...
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they were the family that always sang Christmas Carols on the street and brought gifts for everyone.
:rolleyes:
Posted By: Ninja

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/16/2010 04:53 PM

wow that's like one mile from my house and this is the first i heard. Im gonna ask around for more details
Posted By: Alhazred43

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/17/2010 03:14 AM

This sort of thing makes me sick. They guy ran what ammounts to a gun store out of his house and the first thing they say is that they found thousands of guns in the residence. Yea save the fact that it was a buisness for farther down the article.


BATFE should be a store not an agency.

Atleast they don't pretend to be a tax agency anymore as they were folded into homeland security.
Posted By: threequarterthrottle

Re: ATF seizes guns in raid of East Mesa home - 07/17/2010 08:13 PM

Your average sheep who is interested in the news wants the short version. Therefore, if you put information out early on in an article, that is what gets the most attention. Not everyone who looks at an article is going to read it all.

Perhaps, if they are people who are caring and giving as the article states....that they are awake. This could serve us all as a warning. We are not safe.

Many of us may be thinking that big bruda is in the dark, but I don't think he is.

I.E: If you speak publically(think of that term as loosely as possible) about your beliefs, and then buy unusually large amounts of non-perishable foods, what perception does that leave? The perception that you are preparing for the worst. There is nothing wrong or illegal about that, but it does promote question from a totalitarian government.

I was informed by a friend, a manager at my bank, that if there was any suspicious activity in my checking account, that it would be turned in to authorities. It wasn't exactly phrased as such, but that's what it amounts to. She also told me that certain authorities could view my transactions if certain Nat'l security concerns were at stake.

What does that tell us? That they can do whatever they want. They don't have to explain themselves, they just have to say "It's a matter of national security." and it's all ok.

I haven't found the exact legislation allowing this, but I haven't actively researched it. The point is that anyone who is preparing for hard times needs to be careful and very, VERY thoughtful in how he makes his transactions.

On July 12th, a legitimate firearms dealer had his freedoms violated because of (lack of reason.) A FFL dealer is subject to extra scrutiny because of his trade. Who is to say that the average Joe isn't subject to such a display of force?

I fear for my country, my family, and then myself. Perhaps my fears are for naught...but being proactive in preparation for nothing trumps inactivity when time has run out. Take it as you wish.
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