dhs practice targets: armed everyday civilians

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

Has anyone else seen this? By far the most alarming action by our government when viewed in context with recent situations. Imagine this hitting the media with a republican in the white house....
At what point does America say, enough is enough?

Pics that speek a thousand words. Funny how the system wants the people disarmed.

Hmmm, this might open up an new market for realistic targets. Kinda thinking full size silhouette targets of swat cops and liberal politicians.On a serious note, I think things are going to get ugly really soon.

Interesting, very interesting.

What the Patriot response should be are our own version of those Realistic No Hesitation Targets.

The Patriot version would replace Pregnant Women, Old Men, Old Women, Young Mother, and Little Boy with: Fat DHS Agent, Woman DHS Agent, Regular Man DHS Agent.

And since they intend to target our Wives and Children maybe we should also include:

Pregnant Wife of DHS Agent, Little Boy Son of DHS Agent, Father of DHS Agent, Mother of DHS Agent.

And if these despicable Targets are being purchased by State and Local Law Enforcement then we should also include them and their loved ones in our Targets for Patriots.

I can see it now, they use Targets of Pregnant Women and Children and if we were to do the same we would be labeled Cop Murdering Terrorists.

I loved the Scene in Dirty Harry – Magnum Force where at the Range he deliberately Shot the Cop Target.

Before any type of army or agency decides to attack another group. First they demonize thoughs who they intend on attacking.

With this issue. Has anyone wondered if this was brought to attention. For a type of intimination. With all the attempts at gun bans if you refuse to give up your guns.You will be concidered a target?

Certainly could be.

Law Enforcers, Federal, State, County and Local and Government in general, have always used intimidation and it is not just American Law Enforcers, how about the R.C.M.P. and the Mounties Always Get Their Man.

And intimidation is not limited to Law Enforcers, the Military also uses intimidation.

I would not be surprised if it was a Government that started the bull shit of You Can't Fight City Hall.

I guess there are a lot of Criminals who don't violate Federal Law because they are afraid of the the F.B.I. Since everyone knows that if they want you the F.B.I. will always get you which is bull shit.

And how about you don't F*ck with the I.R.S.

What is it the the Texas Rangers say, One Riot – One Ranger

Fear if used correctly, is a powerful weapon since the more the enemy fears you the better it is for you.

If you are feared enough as a fighter, then instead of fighting back, your enemy might turn and run away or even surrender. And that is why the F.B.I., I.R.S. etc deliberately foster a belief that they are invincible.

If American Gun Owners can be made to believe that to fight against the Forces of the Government means they will either go to Prison or Die and they have zero chance of winning and because of this instead of fighting they give in to the Government, the Government will win and it will not cost then anything.

It is impossible to win in a Sport, a Game or a War if you never get off you arse and at least try to win.

And that is what the Government is hoping for when there is a New Gun Ban.

The only way we can lose is if there are not enough Patriots willing to Fight.

We need to spread the word on this, flood the manufacturing company with calls, emails, letters, boycotts etc.
I'm tired of this government of the government, by the government, and for the government. Those targets shouldn't be called " no hesitation". , they should be called " molan labe "

Remember when the Trevon Martin targets of a silhouette holding candy came out and the media outcry?

Now that is some funny S#1t,Sorry but it is,I never heard about those, Bet they are collecters items now.

Line up the pics. The only image missing is the able body male,the protector of the family

I want the names of whoever has been ordering those targets and using them in any sort of agency training.

It might have just been particularly bad taste on the part of the people who made the targets and make them available to agencies, one of which happens to be DHS, but from what I could tell on the original website, they seem entirely willing to provide those to regular state, county and municipal level agencies too.

http://www.infowars.com/zombie-entertainment-a-lesson-in-cognitive-dissonance-and-the-red-pill/

Yeah, I'm a bit of an infowars junkie, but this article is very relevent to this topic... Our enemy has been incredibly thoughtful and patient in the planning and gradual implementation of all this.

There are areas where police officers could use more training. But I think I'd put "willingness to shoot pregnant women, children, and the elderly" pretty low on the list.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Anybody who has read the book "On Killing" understands why these targets were chosen. This is alarming because it means these guys are training for war. NOT just mere enforcement of the law.

Notice ALL these targets are white people. Kinda weird, huh? Grab any random seven people in America and there will be probably three or four non-white people in the group. The Black Panthers would love to get some of these targets.

We need to start manufacturing our own targets; a UN "peacekeeper", a JBT in black BDUs with an MP5, a collaborator sitting on the john, etc. Seriously, its not difficult. Photograph your buddies in their JBT outfits, fade the background on your computer, take the photos to a printing company and have them make a poster size version. Obviously, you'll need to make them in bulk. Make 500 copies, sell 300 at the next gun show, which will more than pay for them. Keep the others for your unit's training.

Is it any wonder that when open warfare commences for America, that a lot of people won't bother with a list-they'll just assume anyone in or associated with government to be a legitimate target.

...what better way to expend your 1.4 BILLION rounds of ammmo than shooting at pregnant WHITE women and old WHITE men, oh and lets not leave out the kids - we don't want to offend. Remember we are an Equal Oppuruntity, Diverse nation under One Man-Child.

And since the bastards consider our families to be legitimate targets, then we will consider their families to be legitimate targets.

The Second American Revolution will not only make the First Revolution seem like a Peaceful Walk in the Park, it will also make the French Revolution seem non-violent.

And it is not only during the War that will be extremely violent, after we win things will really get bad for the bastards responsible for the war and their families.

Everyone especially the Liberals should do a little research on the French Revolution and it's aftermath, so they can have a little understanding of what the aftermath of the Second American Revolution will be if it is not even worse and I believe that it will be a lot worse.

There is one question that needs to be asked.

Was it the DHS who requested that Company to make those Targets or was it the Company's idea to design them and then marketed them to the DHS.

How about a target that when it pops us shows the end on of a rifle barrel with a scope above silhouetted by a finger tip and a hat and a shoulder.
Should get the blood pressure up and the crack tight.

I may come up with targets showing an armed JBT ATF or TSA agent for civilian only purchases.

Folks,

For what is worth. Talk is cheap! What have you done to verify the information?

I went to the company's web site, checked the information, then called thier 888 phone number to verify the targets are real and available.

Answer: Yes they are. Yes L.E. asked for them according to the company. Asked to speak to someone about using children targets and preggo women. I was transferred to a recording.

I took links from thier website and info wars and submitted the story to our local Fox news as well as forwarding it to national fox news.

Forward information to your local news as well as your legislative people federal and state.

MAKE them them aware, let them attempt to justify these targets to anyone or try to claim "it ain't so"

5.56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abqo-hdwwck

Notice the backgrounds to all these targets:
Do you see a classroom scene behind that kid?
Do you see cubicles and desks and computers and a water cooler like you would see in a workplace shooting behind that lady?
Do you see a bank or convenience store scene behind any of these people?
So you see a church, mosque, synagogue, or other religious type building scene behind anyone?

The answer to all these questions is NO.
What do we see? We see the interior of these peoples' homes. We see their back yard and their front yard. Everyone of the "non-traditional threats" is depicted on their own private property. They didn't go on some sort of rampage; they are instead defending themself, their family, and their home.

So where do these targets fit in to a practical scenario for the federal thugs?
They show up to your house or my house to snatch us up. WE are the "traditional threat" in their eyes. Your wife, daughter, son, dad, or mom, grabs something to defend themself and the thugs mow that person down with "no hesitation."
Gone are the days of staying behind cover and yelling "Drop the gun, lady!"

SBL
BINGO

I've ordered from LE Targets for years. I ordered these same ones for my children to use for practice to get them out of thinking bad people only look like male gang members. The bad guy can potentially be anyone.

I also bought shoot/no shoot targets from them to introducce decision making. Female cop holding a gun and a guy in camouflage holding an AK. I'll let people decide which is which LOL

We know the government's resolve is to kill us or enslave us. We need to be training and preparing for that.

I think it is bad taste to have that shit around and needs to be only reserved for scenario type training.

I favor the IDPA cardboard cutouts but have used the FBI Q targets in the past, but the Q targets have bad contrast when used at a distance (they are like light blue on tan). The shape of the Q target is the key, as it corresponds pretty well to the instant incapacitation zone on a person who is in a combat crouch type position.

I would caution against the use of any fantasy targets of any sort, even the "zombie" targets due to the issues that can come up in court. As for actual guerrilla resistance training, if you need to be told or conditioned on who the enemy is, then stay on the porch while the big dogs go handle business.

What we don't need is someone sifting trash and then finding fantasy targes full of holes and then jumping to conclusions. Now I put a pretty ah, well kinda threatening message out over those targets for several reasons, but the worst of which would be citizens getting caught using them.

Going to court after a shooting incident is supposed to be all about the law and the facts, but we all know how it really works with "who you are". I have been the subject of the bashing on that in another forum, where the SF operator type is talking like Mumia Al Jamal and his cheerleader lawyer is telling me how full of shit i am in putting out the general advice to get documented legitimate training and make some attempt at getting a permit, I am not saying obey every law, but mitigating legal risks is important for all of us.

Do we break laws, sure, for lots of reasons, but degrees of risk in breaking those laws needs to be constantly evaluated and re-evaluated in the context that it is happening.

Imagine how bad it would have been for the Hutaree if the FBI had fished a few targets like that out of the trash can behind the trailer house and plastered the all over national television.

Alex Jones handed us a nice little publicity coup on those targets, but lets make sure out own situations are cleaned up of equally incriminating evidence if happens to be around. This is a propaganda war and we can't have the bad propaganda issues counting against us.

They have been real life practicing to kill folks for decades...

Waco, women old folks and children,

Ruby Ridge, Women and children....

Everyday all over this country when the kick in the wrong door and shoot women, men,old folks and pets..

As long as the sheep accept this...They will keep getting bolder..

They have been really emboldened since the last election, and by the end of this term, They will be ready to implement any plans they have made...

I believe they think if Obama doesn't get to become king, then they have Hillary to fall back on...

Greywolf

The company has discontinued this line of targets.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Cough, cough,

taken off line out of sight, did not say they would not continues to sell them.

5.56

Ok well, then, that sort of training is done in specific scenario training. Creating a "no hesitation reaction" using an "always shoot" type target is the key problem with that.

Maybe I am crazy, but in a situation where a child has a gun in his back yard, I think I would back off , find cover and try to talk the gun out of his hand..Instead of just shoot first with no hesitation..

That's what they don't want it seems to me..They want unthinking robots who end threats without ever attempting to deescalate the situation...

Maybe I am old fashioned but it's their job to try to deescalate the situation without any loss of life first..

I remember a deputy when I was a kid getting all kinds of praise for walking into a bar and talking a drunk into surrendering...

When ask why he did it..He said It's my job, that's what they pay me to do...Take risks so others don't have to..

Where are those type of guys now days?...

In Seattle wa the police did a dynamic entry into the house, first room was a living room
Kid sleeping on the couch woke up grabbed the remote to shut the TV off, the cops shot him to death thinking the TV remote was a gun.

A man in Darington ran off the county weed control guy, the homeowner had dogs that played where they wanted to spray so the home-owner threatened the county weed control guy.

Weed control guy came back with cops in tow, as the guy walked back into his house the cops shot him in the back of the head killing him.

Western Puget Sound counties all have a reputation of killing innocent citizens, if the cops come somebody is going to get shot is the general rule.

I had six Sno-county deputies surround me over a alleged county code violation, turned out I did not violate the code but they were still willing to murder me over what I did on my own property completely paid for and legal.

Everett cops investigating a alleged car prowl peered over a solid wood fence from an alley way to see a man cleaning his BBQ grill in his back yard, the cops shot him to death , the grill cleaning tool was shiny and they thought it was a weapon.

Snohomish county had 7 bad shoots in one year, none of the cops were convicted or disciplined , cops investigated themselves and the insurance company did not pay out to the victims.

Cops= bush-wacking murderers

Back before Washington was a state (still a territory ) my great Grand father hanged a bunch of criminals in the tree by the creek, they still call it "Hangman creek" to this day with a story monument board, although the story was changed for public consumption as lynching was still frowned upon even then by the Feds so a local Cav commander took credit for it since he had federal authority to do so.

Seems there are no more fed good guys that will cover for some real justice anymore.

All white folks, but more important, no of age men. Just a little boy and a grandpa.

This means they are planning on targeting our dependents that remain at home.

5.56

Afraid so, but I don't think the targets are the most clear indication of that, you need to look at the case history, plenty of which is actually there.

A lot of those "dynamic entry" type raids are done where they know damn well the people they are after are not present, but it is shooters looking to make their bones on anyone who defies their presence.

You know what is even worse then those Murdering walking piles of pig shit, it is all the totally rotten cowardly people who let these Murderers remain among the living.

Didn't those Murder Victims have any family who loved them enough to get some payback against those badge wearing Murdering Bastards.

And what have the big brave men who think of themselves as Militia done in response to these Murders.

It seems the people of your State are rotten cowards, I guess I should be happy to still live in Rhode Island. Why waste time and money to just move from one State of Cowards to a New State of Cowards.

I know what is needed and I also know that no on in your State or any other State has the balls to do it, but I will say it anyway.

What the people or our Nation need and it seems your State needs it a lot more then my State, is a Star Chamber and if anyone does not know that is just google it.

And if anyone wants to know how a Star Chamber works it is very easy except for finding the people who are man enough or woman enough to do what is needed to be done.

First thing is for a Crime like a murder to be committed by someone who is Above the Law.

Then the Star Chamber meets and a person is chosen to administer True Justice.

The person chosen is chosen by using a opaque jar with one Ball for each Member of the Star Chamber. All the Balls are White except for one Black Ball.

After the Members of the Star Chamber decide if the accursed deserves the Special Justice administered by them and what that Justice should be,each Member as he leaves the meeting removes One Ball from the Jar with the White Balls and one Black Ball in it. In private each Member looks at the Ball he Drew and if it is Black then he is the One to Administer the Justice of the Star Chamber and no other Member will know who was chosen.

And the sentence will be Carried Out and there will be True Justice for the Victim of those who are Above the Regular Law.

Yes this is what needs to happen and should happen but sadly I fear, it is only a Fantasy since in the Real World people who believe themselves to be Patriots are in truth Cowards who hide behind their fake Morality.

The company only took them off their website. But they still manufacture and sell them. No way would they just forfeit a multimillion dollar contract just because there was some negative chatter online about their products.

If they are still selling those Targets that company needs to be added to our official enemies of the People list and if we don't have one we sure as hell need to start one.

I seriously doubt those targets were an non-negotiable part of a multimillion dollar contract.

They caved, we won, that's that. In all honesty I think the zombie targets you see around these days are pretty stupid too.

Sure, you can make fantasy movies about "zombies" but you could also consider sick injured people after some sort of major attack or disaster, which makes that a no-shoot situation. Now a virus that turns people into killer biological drones, that's one thing, but also highly unlikely.

Regular cardboard targets are going to be best, along with scenario training, preferably paintball or airsoft.

We used old clothes to dress the targets, stuffed the clothes with balloons for different anatomical effects .

Using different clothing patterns and a true 3D to the target is much harder than a printed 2D photo target.

I tend to believe the Gov is also responsible for "We need to be Peaceful/Non-Violent and work with our government to resolve our issues" crap.

Keeping the population from kicking the shit out of them like we should be.

North Force, that "We gotta be like Ghandi!" attitude is being pushed by Glen Beck, which gives more credibility to the previously proposed theory that he is just an agent for controlled opposition.

Now back on targets.

Here are some threats we can definitely get accustomed to shooting; Chinese troops:
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