Military Coup Underway in Turkey

It's not clear on who's winning, but I\'d put money on the military . They've obviously been planning this for a while, and the consequences for them if they fail are pretty severe.

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Looks like someone has pulled the trigger on the anti-Ergodan coup in Turkey.

My guess is the Russians just got tired of his shit last year and have been putting together a coalition to support a coup since then.

No way Obama would have gone along with this, so there is the possibility that this could go full bloodbath.

The general philosophy of their military has been to uphold secular values. From what we have seen in all this under the table support for jihadists, it comes from the political organizations, police and secret police, then of course the Muslim Brotherhood which has a lot of influence there.

It's being reported that Erdogan is at a "secure location." Explosions are being heard, and helicopters are reported being fired over Ankara.

Erdogan is Islamist, the military in general is more secular. Everything is still pretty confused right now, it may depend on whose side the police come down on.

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Rumor now that Erdogan just landed in Istanbul and the coup is being declared unsuccessful.

A secular military government in Turkey would be a good thing in the war against the IS rats.

Yeah, everyone is paying lip service to "democracy," but I don't think many people would be upset if Erdogan went by-by.

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Newest news is that the Islamist president has returned and is taking back power, vowing to deal harshly with the "mutinous forces"...

Could get ugly.

I'm taking reports that Erdogan has returned to Istanbul with a large grain of salt. The military still apparently has the Ankara airport, and gunfire and explosions have been heard all night. Dawn is just breaking over there now, maybe we'll know more soon.

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There's been enough reports now that it looks like Erdogan really is in Istanbul. It's starting to look pretty grim for the coup attempt.

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Well, that coup just kind of fizzled out. Erdogan now wants the plotters arrested and punished as traitors and terrorists.

One of the terrorists Erdogan wants is Fetullah Gulen , leader of the "parallel state," or FETO/PDY. This could be interesting, since Gulen lives in exile in Pennsylvania. He runs a network of charitable organizations and other businesses here, including about 150 charter schools.

The U.S. has previously declined to extradite him to Turkey, where he is wanted on terrorism charges.

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Erdogan Has Reached His Shelf Life

Gullen supposedly went to Turkey right at the start of this thing and is holed up somewhere trying to get back to the US. Turkey was trying to extradite him from the US a while back and when this coup started, he supposedly flew over there.

Erdogan wanted to do a purge anyway, so this big thing is his opportunity. Some people blame the CIA for the coup, but I don't think so, in fact I am taking back my original notions of the Russians backing it. It seems the coup collapsed because they really did not have much backing.

Erdogan has asked the U.S. to hand Gulen over to Turkey - on live television, no less . It will be interesting to see how Obama and his "smart diplomacy" handles this one.

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This guy may be on to something.
Analysis from Stratfor.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/b...uid=0cea7b08-52ac-4043-b655-782415c0b4dc

From Zerohedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...is-incirlik-airbase-which-vaults-us-b61-

Yeah, looks like an in-house thing to shake down his political enemies. A Reichstag fire if you will.

That's what Gulen was saying, pretty early on. I have doubts that Erdogan is all that smart, but it certainly played well into Erdogan's plans.

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Erdogan is trying to reinstate the death penalty. And he will formally ask for the extradition of Fethullah Gulen from the U.S. he didn't say if he will seek the death penalty for Gulen.

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Turkey coup attempt: Crackdown toll passes 50,000

BBC 20 July 2016


More than 50,000 people have been rounded up, sacked or suspended from their jobs by Turkey's government in the wake of last week's failed coup.

The purge of those deemed disloyal to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan widened on Tuesday to include teachers, university deans and the media.

The government says they are allied to US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, who denies claims he directed the uprising.

PM Binali Yildirim said the preacher led a "terrorist organisation".

"We will dig them up by their roots," he told parliament.

Turkey is pressing the US to extradite Mr Gulen and the issue was raised during a phone call between US President Barack Obama and President Erdogan on Tuesday, the White House said.

Spokesman Josh Earnest said a decision on whether or not to extradite would be made under a treaty between the two countries.

Who's the target of Erdogan's purge?


A Turkish government spokesman suggested that the US should be able to extradite the cleric "on grounds of suspicion" rather than requiring facts of the case against him.

"There is very strong suspicion for his [Gulen's] involvement in this coup attempt. So this is sufficient grounds," said spokesman Ibrahim Kalin.

For his part, Mr Gulen says claims he was behind the coup attempt are "ridiculous".

"I urge the US government to reject any effort to abuse the extradition process to carry out political vendettas," he said in a statement.

President Erdogan is due to chair meetings of his national security council and cabinet in the capital, Ankara, on Wednesday, after returning to the city for the first time since the attempted coup.

The BBC's Nick Thorpe in Ankara says that the meeting will be the president's first chance since the coup attempt to sit and talk in person with all key members of the government and armed forces.

Mr Erdogan's task is to re-impose stability amid the turmoil, our correspondent adds, and to reassure the country and Turkey's allies abroad that he is not embarking on a witch-hunt against his many critics.

The Pentagon said that talks also took place on Tuesday between Defence Secretary Ash Carter and his Turkish counterpart, regarding the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey.

The base is used by the US-led coalition fighting so-called Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

Meanwhile, the Turkish government crackdown widened on Tuesday to include the education sector and government departments.

Turkish media announced that:

15,200 teachers and other education staff had been sacked
1,577 university deans were ordered to resign
8,777 interior ministry workers were dismissed
1,500 staff in the finance ministry had been fired
257 people working in the prime minister's office were sacked

Turkey's media regulation body on Tuesday also revoked the licences of 24 radio and TV channels accused of links to Mr Gulen.

The news came on top of the arrests of more than 6,000 military personal and the sackings of nearly 9,000 police officers. About 3,000 judges have also been suspended.

The removal of thousands of officials has alarmed international observers, with the UN urging Turkey to uphold the rule of law and defend human rights.

A senior German official said on Tuesday that "a deep split" had opened in Turkey, and he feared the divisions would cause unrest among Germany's large Turkish community.

"The danger of an escalation in violence between Erdogan supporters and opponents has also risen in Germany," Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann told the Berliner Zeitung newspaper.

The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, has accused Turkey of carrying out "revenge" against its opponents and critics.

He also said a debate around restoring the death penalty was "deeply worrying". The EU has warned such a move would end talks over Turkey joining the bloc.

According to official figures, Friday night's coup attempt left 232 people dead and 1,541 wounded.

The usual suspects of course jumped to the conclusion that the coup was a product of the CIA, but come on, 15,000 schoolteachers?

Is this dude trying to be a modern Pol Plot?

Whatever happened, it was definitely internal. Turks are smart people, no way this was all some outside political manipulation.

Turkey government revokes 3213 ham radio licenses

July 20, 2016

It has been confirmed by Supreme Council of radio and television of Turkey (RTUK) the news that Mr. Erdogan – the president of Turkey has revoked 3213 national ham radio licenses. The HF radio in Turkey is now silent. No transmissions are allowed.

Following the coup d’etat – of July 5th – many things are changing in Turkey. TV , Radio licenses have been cancelled and this involved also our colleagues : ham radio amateurs. The number of amateur radio operators in Turkey is not too much, but according to the site TRAC.org it looks like that around 3000 licenses have been revoked. Who’s transmitting outside turkey without licence should be considered a pirate – said Mr Erdogan.

The Supreme Council of radio and television of Turkey (RTUK) has cancelled the licenses of over 20 radio and television broadcasters as well ham radio operators.

The Telsiz ve Radyo Amatörleri Cemiyeti (TRAC) is the national non-profit organization for amateur radio enthusiasts in turkey. The TRAC was founded in 1962 as the Türkiye Radyo Amatörleri Cemiyeti, adopting its current name in 1980. It’s located in Istanbul, with branches in 44 locations across Turkey. TRAC is the national member society representing Turkey in the IARU. Now, it has been closed down.

We look forward to have news from Turkey ham radio league.

Turkey’s coup in numbers
21,000 private teachers have licences removed
15,000 suspended from education ministry
8,000 police officers detained or suspended
6,000 soldiers detained
1,500 staff at Ministry of Finance dismissed
3213 ham radio operators with license revoked.
2745 judges dismissed
1,577 deans – Education board demands resignation
492 sacked from Religious Affairs Directorate 399 from Ministry of Family and Social Policies stripped of responsibilities
257 fired from the prime minister’s office
100 intelligence officials sacked
47 district governors dismissed
30 provincial governors dismissed
20 news websites blocked

Originally posted at BCL News

I follow one of the flamboyant cult leaders by the name of Adnan Oktar who had previously been locked up under one of the past regimes. He had been known for a long time because his sermons are done in a club-like setting on video with hottie chicks in attendance. No Hadjibs on his program but apparently it's not a "sex' cult, it's an 'Islamic love" organization. Anyway, interesting.

Lately they got real patriotic about Erdogan, hoping to keep their TV station on the air.

Oktar is the guy to watch for street level analysis of what is going on with Turkish people. All of his work is in Turkish but anything his people figure is important will be done with English translation in the subtitles.

Here's why this coup should concern us.

Turkey coup attempt raises fears over safety of US nuclear stockpile

Turkey’s Nukes: A Sum of All Fears

Is Incirlik Air Base being held hostage by Turkey?

Apparently one of the supposedly coup leaders was a commander at that base, at least on the Turkish side. According to some (questionable, but prolific) sources, the power was turned back on when the guy got arrested, more or less without bloodshed.

I think it would be wise to be moving those puppies out of the theater and back home!

Erdogan committed a false flag to win the people to himself. Turkey should have been ousted from NATO a long time ago. They have instigated more incidents than even Israel! Just look up how many times they have shot down allies' jets who were not in their airspace. See also how many times they have violated Greece's airspace. There are many incidents, in the past. More recently Turkey killed an American Journalist who had exposed the UN Humanitarian trucks loaded with Daesh/ISIS personnel, equipment, and drugs all over the Turkish border into Syria.

Back to Erdogan: He has been implementing a way to get himself named as Sultan to bring in the Ottoman regime again. His son owns the fleet of ships transporting oil from ISIS that was stolen from Syria.

I am really concerned with this new love affair Turks are having with alternative media. Just because the US Govt. is involved with coups, doesn't mean this case was a CIA op.

Turkey/Erdogan is NOT a friend of the US or NATO.

[url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thousands-turkey-coup-prisoners-raped-8485304]Thousands of Turkish prisoners are being "raped, starved, and hogtied." I'm sure glad Obama supported the "democratically elected" government in Turkey. :rolleyes:



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I hear you, but we are lonely voices in the wilderness on that one. Trying to explain it to friends and family seems to be a losing proposition too. For people who see the CIA boogeyman under every plot, you can't convince them otherwise, but this thing is all Erdogan and the neo-Ottomans.

He probably planned this purge anyway and then pushed the coup plotters to make their move so he could do this.

What I can't conclusively state is who the good guys and bad guys are in this. None have a stellar history except a few of the minority and scientific groups over there.

I read the stories and theories about geopolitical power and pipeline contracts, and just don't get how all this other bullshit is needed so people can fit pipes and run pumps.

It's like in Switzerland, some weird shit going down with these satanic rituals over a train tunnel getting completed. I mean, sure, have a job compltion party, but why they can't just do some champagne and barbecue with some music is beyond me. They just had to do this weird ass dance routine with Devils and fallen angels and this apocalyptic overtone stuff because it was close to CERN, which is a much less useful hole in the ground than a train tunnel.

Erdogan isn't the only problem out of Turkey either. This Gule guy is practically another Khomeni in the making, but arguably smarter. I remember how that misadventure went. The narrative at the time was the holy man vs the dictator. Then when hostages were taken, it was a betrayal of implied US support for the removal of the Shah.

The bulshit went on while people thought maybe it was just a fringe group shaking down the revolution and not central to the new government, fact is, they were tight with the whole deal.

Newsbud Breaking News Turkey’s Coup Plotters are Members of NATO’s Rapid Deployable Corps (NRDC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGG_OG3vAA

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/201...members-of-natos-rapid-deployable-corps/

"CIA-Gulen Driven Turkish Police Forces Aided & Abetted the Failed Coup Plot"

Suddenly, Erdogan and Putin are friends. This just gets better and better.

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Turkey Surrounds, Blocks Access To NATO's Incirlik Airbase Amid Speculation Of Second Coup

by Tyler Durden
Jul 30, 2016

While it is common knowledge by now that the failed and/or staged Turkish coup two weekends ago was nothing more than an excuse for Erdogan to concentrate even more power and eradicate all political and independent opposition, a story that has gotten less attention is the sudden, and acute deterioration in US-Turkish relations. This culminated two days ago when the Commander of US Central Command (CENTCOM) General Joseph Votel was forced to deny on the record having anything to do with the attempted coup in Turkey following pointed allegations from the very top in the local government that the US orchestrated last Friday's "coup", according to a statement released by the US military on Friday.

As Stars and Stripes reported late last week, the recent failed coup and jailing of military leaders in Turkey could impact U.S. operations there against the Islamic State group, Gen. Joseph Votel said Thursday at a security conference in Colorado. Votel said the coup attempt in Turkey two weeks ago left him “concerned” about how U.S. operations and personnel at Incirlik Air Base will be affected.


Army Gen. Joseph Votel, commander of U.S. Central Command

"Turkey of course …sits on an extraordinarily important seam between the central region and Europe,” Votel said at the Aspen Security Forum. “It will have an impact on the operations we do along that very important seam. Obviously, we are very dependent on Turkey for basing of our resources…I am concerned it will impact the level of cooperation and collaboration that we have with Turkey.”

Yeni Safak, a daily paper known for its loyal support of Erdogan, even reported retired Army Gen. John F. Campbell, former commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, was the mastermind behind the attempted overthrow. However, the paper also reported White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest called the allegations against the general unsubstantiated.

Votel said Thursday that the United States was “continuing to work through some of the friction that continues to exist” following the failed coup. He did not elaborate.

The general did say some of the arrested Turkish officers worked with U.S. personnel to coordinate airstrikes against the Islamic State group. “Yes, I think some of them are in jail,” Votel said of certain key Turkish military liaisons.

As a result of the coup attempt, U.S. air operations were temporarily suspended and the Turkish government cut power to Incirlik.

The diplomatic spat continued on Friday when comments made at an Erdogan’s rally once again blasted Votel for criticizing Turkey’s post-coup attempt purge saying "Who are you? Know your place." Erdogan went on to hint once more that the United States planned the failed government overthrow bid.

To this Votel again responded that "any reporting that I had anything to do with the recent unsuccessful coup attempt in Turkey is unfortunate and completely inaccurate," Votel said. He was responding to an interpretation of comments made at a think tank in Washington, DC by Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accusing Votel of sympathizing with the coup plotters.

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Meanwhile, Turkey's war of words against the US escalated on Friday, when Turkey's authoritarian despot Erdogan condemned the West for refusing to show solidarity with Ankara, accusing NATO 'allies' as being more concerned about the fate of coup supporters than the survival of Turkey are not friends of Ankara. Erdogan blasted the West for criticizing the massive purge of Turkey’s military and other state institutions which has seen 60,000 people detained, removed or suspended over suspected links with the coup and for cancelling 50,000 civilian passports which many worry is but a prelude to an expansion of the reign of terror inside the country.

"The attitude of many countries and their officials over the coup attempt in Turkey is shameful in the name of democracy," Erdogan told hundreds of supporters at the presidential palace in Ankara.

"Any country and any leader who does not worry about the life of Turkish people and our democracy as much as they worry about the fate of coupists are not our friends," said Erdogan, who narrowly escaped capture and perhaps death on the night of the coup.

As Sputnik notes, the statements come in response to US National Intelligence Director James Clapper’s statement on Thursday that the purges were harming the fight against Daesh in Syria and Iraq by stripping away key Turkish officers who had worked closely with the United States.

"My people know who is behind this scheme… they know who the superior intelligence behind it is, and with these statements you are revealing yourselves, you are giving yourselves away." The remarks come at a troubling time only one day after over 5,000 protesters yelling "death to the US" marched towards NATO’s critical Incirlik Air Base which houses between 50 and 90 US tactical nuclear weapons before security officials successfully dispersed the raging demonstrators.

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Which brings us to today, and the news that NATO's critical Incirlik Air Base was hours ago completely blocked off by Turkey, with all inputs and outputs to the Adana base having been closed according to Turkey's Hurriyet among rumors of yet another coup.



As the Turkish Minister for European Affairs, Omar Celik, tweeted moments ago, this is just a routine "safety inspection", although it has not stopped local papers from speculating that a a second Gulen-inspired coup attempt may be underway.

ADANA'day?m. ?ncirlik veya Adana'daki ba?ka yerle ilgili bir s?k?nt? yok. Genel güvenlik de?erlendirmesi de yapt?k. Herhangi bir sorun yok

— Ömer Çelik (@omerrcelik) July 30, 2016

Hurriyet has raised concern that the closing may be tied to an attempt by the Erdogan regime to prevent a second coup attempt.

Video: Situation outside #Incirlik airbase in #Turkey where police have closed entrances & exits pic.twitter.com/TBCvQ0KUx6

— Syria Ceasefire (@Syria_Ceasefire) July 30, 2016

Some 7,000 armed police with heavy vehicles have surrounded and blocked the Incirlik air base in Adana used by NATO forces, already restricted in the aftermath of a failed coup. Unconfirmed reports say troops were sent to deal with a new coup attempt.

Hurriyet reported earlier that Adana police had been tipped off about a new coup attempt, and forces were immediately alerted. The entrance to the base was closed off. Security forces armed with rifles and armored TOMA vehicles used by Turkish riot police could be seen at the site in photos taken by witnesses.

@Brasco_Aad These heavy dump trucks are being made ready to enter #Incirlik Air Base (are they trying to close it?) pic.twitter.com/UQlGAv5FsC

— Brasco_Aad (@Brasco_Aad) July 30, 2016

Some of radical islamist twitter users telling people to break into the base and kill everybody #Incirlik WARNING! pic.twitter.com/S5PXxGilUh

— osman istanbul (@dertliosman33) July 31, 2016

Indeed, the massive presence of armed police supported by heavy vehicles calls into question the Turkish government's official line that the lock down at the Incirlik base is merely a "safety inspection."?

#Tatvan derken#incirlik üssünde ola?anüstü hareketlilik.#PÖH giri? ç?k??lar? tutmu? tetikte bekliyor. pic.twitter.com/TSsqHW9Ydk

— Levent Tekin (@Levent_Tekin) July 30, 2016

Local media has focused on the base after the failed coup in Turkey occurred the night of July 15. Although the main scenes of the events were Istanbul and Ankara, Incirlik was shut down for a time by local authorities shortly after the putsch, and several Turkish soldiers from the base were deemed by Turkish officials to be involved in the overthrow attempt.

The lockdown at Incirlik follows a massive wave of protests on Thursday when pro-Erdogan nationalists took to the streets yelling "death to the US" and called for the immediate closure of the Incirlik base. Security personnel dispersed the protesters before they were able to make it to the base.

And while there has been no official statement from US armed forces stationed at Incirlik at this time, the situation continues to develop in front of the air base as more heavy trucks have been dispatched to surround and block access to the critical military facility.

PHOTOS: Multiple municipal truck arrive at Incirlik base in #Turky - @nighttides pic.twitter.com/GVpq98D0sf

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) July 30, 2016

It is unclear if Erdogan is naive enough to think that he can out-bluff and out-bully the US and keep Incirlik hostage until he gets Gulen repatriated by Obama on a silver platter, a hostage "tit for tat" we first described two weeks ago. If so, one wonders, if he is doing so alone, or with the moral support of others, perhaps such recently prominent enemies of Erdogan as Vladimir Putin. Recall that just over a month ago Erdogan publicly apologized to Putin for downing the Russian Su-24 fighter jet in November, and called Putin "a friend."

Finally, at least as of this moment, it appears that the airspace around Incirlik is closed.

Looks like airspace around #Incirlik is closed pic.twitter.com/ZwaQPpHFNr

— Serbo-Canadian (@SerboCanada) July 31, 2016

It is one thing for Clinton and Obama to abandon some backwater embassy annex where a bunch of shady stuff is going on and let the Jihadis wipe out evidence of arming Al Queda. Entirely pushing it to transfer a bunch of high end anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to "moderate" Jihadis who decide to just "get ambushed" and hand the stuff over to ISIS intact. Facilitating the Iranians developing a few nukes is too far but currently, that means voting someone out of office.

The idea of a bunch of America haters storming the bunkers and the Muslim Brotherhood gaining 50 tactical nukes is entirely unacceptable. Bottom line, whoever is guarding that needs to go full-on Ft Apache/Rourke's Drift/Alamo on the motherfuckers then the last men alive pop off one of the nukes manually.

Then we have no choice but to remove the current administration in Washington, immediately.

Here is an even worse scenario:

Obama hands over this Gulen guy, and Erdogan shows the world he calls shots everywhere, so Erdogan gets this Gulen guy to "admit" the "USA" was trying to overthrow him. Or whatever and Erdogan decides he's just gonna take those nukes and fuck everybody.

Thus, the Russians decide they need to make a move, a big move. They rattle sabres, make plenty of warnings, then decide they need to zap the base.

Obama decides that it's not just an attack on his pals in Turkey and the inevitable death of US personnel at Incirlik is the Russians starting WW3. Russians figure "fuck it", and decide to roll back on the Ukraine, hard. Gaining pan-European sympathy as the only people with the balls to take action against Islamic expansion, and the war being the fault of US meddling in world affairs, they get popular support to just finalize it - eliminate Washington DC.

America goes in Revolution, and one of the factions asks the Russians to strike certain cities which are known to be power centers of the new Jihad, and the "Syrian refugees", are already armed up and fighting. Thus, each faction calls on foreign troops to help, just different groups of foreign troops, for different reasons...

I read there were as many as 90 nukes !

Any number is unacceptable!

They should be withdrawn pronto, but quietly. Leave one for a "scorched earth" surprise when/if the base is over ran.

I've talked with several Korean War vets that were at the Chosen. They both told the story of a mine/cave underground complex that was a supply depot. On their withdrawal in sub zero temps the complex was wired to explode in the middle of the night. With the temperature being what it was, the Reds poured into it for shelter....

The rumble that night was felt a LONG way off. They took a lot of gooks out of the battle.

I have a unconfirmed report from 2 different sources stating that American military bases are going on "alert". Can anyone confirm or deny?

There is another report coming out of the middle east that has Erdogan claiming he will restore the caliphate. And, that he intends to reestablish islamic "order" in Libya and Egypt.

Militarily, Turkey has the potential to become the regional "big dog". They have a strong military with the industrial capacity to build much of their own equipment. Erdogaan is also reportedly saying that he intends to cut ties with the west and is supposedly in contact with Russian arms dealers.

Turkey has demanded the U.S. hand over Fethullah Gulen , sending us 85 boxes of files to support their case.

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Turkey threatens to QUIT NATO in mo... with Russia in a new military alliance.

Before this is over, you'll see an alliance between Turkey, Russia Syria and Iran.

Yeah, looks like it. Not real pretty either. Personally though, I don't think such an alliance would last much longer than the issues at hand.

The Turks and Iranians have a long established history of abusing Christian sects directly aligned with the Russian Orthodox church and eventually the local populations in Iran and Turkey will get the ideas in their heads that they are the people in charge of everything and everyone has to beg to their whims, which is something the Russians just don't fly with very well. They will piss off the Russians in some way, the Russians will do something about it and the alliance will fade into memory once it is no longer really useful.

Gog and Magog?

Yes, and I have to wonder why more Patriots do not seem to see that the Prophesies of the Book of Revelation and the rest of the Bible are starting to happen or at least getting very close.

A Russia alliance with those Muslim Countries, would fit in with the Prophesy of the attack on Israel.

I see youall have read Ezekiel. Yeah, I think that's where this is headed.

Wars there come and go and are something of a constant. I found an Assyrian Christian defense group that looks promising. Might be a good opportunity to get some guys real world operational experience and do the right thing by some people.

Having friends in a foreign sovereign nation with no formalized extradition process and a reasonably friendly population might not be such a bad thing.

The Autonomous zone thing here in the US is not looking very promising right now, but over in the Kurdish areas, yeah, it's open fighting, but it seems like you get as good a chance as anybody who is in the game. Maybe a little better with the right spiritual help.

Personally, I think it's a whole lot more honorable than doing nothing but expecting to just "rapture out of the tribulation" when it all goes down.

Safe bet, in my book, this is one of those "wars and rumors of wars" sorts of things.

Erdogan is acting almost exactly like Hitler ! I think something Prophetically Big is Close Boys ! Been keeping an eye on the Russia-China alliance to, VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS ! The MASSIVE Hillary Spin Machine (Makes me SICK) is also impressive, Most all Media have Piled on against Trump now, Friggen TRUTH MEANS NOTHING to them (Media) anymore ! Either Trump will win Big Time or Hitlary "STEALS" the Election !???

As to who wins the Election may come down to if there is a large Terrorist Attack or Attacks before the Election.

I believe if there are Attacks then Trump will Win and Win Big, but if there are no Attacks then he may or may not win.

But regardless of who Wins it will not change what will eventually happen since it has already happened, I believe in the near future and it is Written in the Bible.

U.S. and Turkish forces are launching a joint attack on ISIS. But I suspect the main goal of Turkey is to halt Kurdish expansion in the border region.

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The Kurdish Facebook feeds are documenting a lot of scraps between the Turkish backed groups and the Kurds.

I see pictures of the fighters and I can't tell one side from the other. They are apparently now resorting to brightly colored flags and arm bands to try and tell the forces apart because there are some NATO people taking potshots at Kurdish forces which have both US Special Operations personnel and some international volunteers with them. Brits and Australians on the Kurdish side, most German citizens on the Kurdish side with the German government on the Turk side.

Fights are breaking out over air raid targets. Kurds claiming that combat controllers embedded with Turk sponsored forces are calling in fire on Kurdish positions.

I made the recommendation that forces need to be openly flagged and remain in close proximity to distinctively marked vehicles. It worked fairly well in the first gulf war to do that, but they don't seem to give a shit what I say.

Another thing seems to show is that all sides tend to be fighting a 9-5 war. They just don't run major battles at night. The only people to really come out and play in the dark are US special forces and specially trained units they combine with, probably equipped with relatively up to date NV gear also. No local forces seem to specialize in nighttime fighting operations.

Just wait till the fighting breaks out here in the USSA. With all the random camo patterns and virtually 0 organization. After a bit everyone will be an enemy/target - The Road comes to mind.

Tell me about it. You got people following survivalist and patriot movement people just to target us for hijackings and rip offs as soon as the opportunity arises, whether or not SHTF.

Alliances are all over he map and as soon as shooting starts, that can change. It seems that people in the Middle East have perfected the art of the backstab, but whoever is the underdog the longest tends to be the most appreciative of allies.

Next is whoever facilitates or runs direct economic activity. They tend to employ guards who will be loyal to a paycheck.

ISIS s largely made up of Muslim radicals who were kicked out of other Muslim countries, even prisoners who were radicalized and then transported to the edges of the IS and dumped. On top of that, they quickly took over oil production and black market sales.

From there, the IS was making a lot of underground business deals, even undermining neighboring countries with that black market oil economy. The Turks are wise enough to not want the Kurds getting on their feet with access to more oil but I think the US assured that the Kurds would control a fair share of oil revenue through arrangements in Iraq.

As I expected, Turkey is shifting their attacks from ISIS to the Kurdish rebels fighting ISIS .

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Yeah I have seen that on YPG related websites. Soon as the Turks cleared their way into Syria with heavy armor and some regular forces to back up the Syrian rebel factions they are backing, they started hitting Kurdish positions "by accident" then after a few exchanges decided to just say fuck it and game on. Apparently it is putting some CIA and Special Forces types in a bad spot because they have personnel embedded with sides that oppose each other.

This may be the topic of the day here in Oklahoma. Turkey has issued an arrest warrant for Oklahoma City Thunder center Enes Kanter.

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