The Police Are Still Out of Control
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10/27/2014 06:46 AM
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When Frank Serpico writes an article about police corruption, it\'s a good idea to pay attention. And he has a new article up, pointing out that police violence takes place for the same reason that police graft did (and still does): A lack of accountability. ... I tried to be an honest cop in a force full of bribe-takers. But as I found out the hard way, police departments are useless at investigating themselves—and that’s exactly the problem facing ordinary people across the country —including perhaps, Ferguson, Missouri, which has been a lightning rod for discontent even though the circumstances under which an African-American youth, Michael Brown, was shot remain unclear.
Today the combination of an excess of deadly force and near-total lack of accountability is more dangerous than ever: Most cops today can pull out their weapons and fire without fear that anything will happen to them, even if they shoot someone wrongfully. All a police officer has to say is that he believes his life was in danger, and he’s typically absolved. What do you think that does to their psychology as they patrol the streets—this sense of invulnerability? The famous old saying still applies: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. (And we still don’t know how many of these incidents occur each year; even though Congress enacted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act 20 years ago, requiring the Justice Department to produce an annual report on “the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers,” the reports were never issued.)
It wasn’t any surprise to me that, after Michael Brown was shot dead in Ferguson, officers instinctively lined up behind Darren Wilson, the cop who allegedly killed Brown. Officer Wilson may well have had cause to fire if Brown was attacking him, as some reports suggest, but it is also possible we will never know the full truth—whether, for example, it was really necessary for Wilson to shoot Brown at least six times, killing rather than just wounding him. As they always do, the police unions closed ranks also behind the officer in question. And the district attorney (who is often totally in bed with the police and needs their votes) and city power structure can almost always be counted on to stand behind the unions.... The entire article, including his own policy recommendations, is far too long to post here in its entirety. But you can read the whole thing at the link. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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10/27/2014 08:30 AM
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It is not just a lack of accountability, but a real reward system for dishing out brutality. Now I understand this in an environment where the system is just plain broken, where street justice replaces courtroom justice in order to give an resemblance of peace or order, but in the most brutal situations, where we see entirely police initiated confrontation and escalation, none of it is justified and these guys are paid and promoted on the basis of how much terror they can dish out. Based on my personal observation from numerous individual incidents, I firmly believe that a hell of a lot of those people are specifically hired because they are psychotic, not the other way around. I can't think of any more glaring examples of that than what has taken place around Albuquerque New Mexico in several unpublished incidents, then doing a little research on some of the names, its pretty obvious, a lot of those people were really employed to be thug hitmen.
The sobering reality on this, the more it takes place, the more people look in our direction for solutions, and if we take the kinds of actions secretly which would stabilize the situation, like eliminating some of the bad actors, it might be personally satisfying for some who are inclined or motivated (often for very righteous reasons) to take revenge, but then to the outside, it gives the appearance of the system correcting itself, which it is not, or the "masked justice" will make everything alright, thus causing the real decision makers to relax, and even further exonerate themselves from responsibility because they will figure it is their role to turn the threat loose on society, and "someone else" to meet out Justice.
That's not entirely unlike the rampant prosecutor misconduct these days where prosecutors, especially federal prosecutors (dare I name names like, Thomas Edmonds) who bring lying witnesses to court, judges who allow it, and all expect the defense attorney to shoulder the burden of figuring it out and convincing the jury of the truth over the insistence of a grease slick charismatic but deceitful presentation on the part of the government.
We saw the kinda sorta system insiders wanting resolution in the wake of Ruby Ridge and Waco when some FBI or other Justice Department insiders handed personal information on the whereabouts of Lon Horiuchi over to those who in turn handed it to an upstart critic of the government operative named Timothy McVeigh. The more I research this, the real lessons of the OKC incident give cause for shame for all.
FBI insiders were hoping that McVeigh would assassinate Horiuchi, lots of patriot community people were clamoring for either assassination or prosecution, many threatened it, in words only. McVeigh himself chickened out, committing instead to hand the information out relatively openly at gun shows, perhaps figuring that since he was not going to handle it, someone else would.
I strongly suspect that McVeigh sensed it as a setup, sure, they would let him kill Horiuchi, then bust him afterwards and have a big show trial.
The Justice Department officials themselves, probably hoping someone else would handle it, did a brief whitewash series of investigations, several disclosures (even a made for television movie) but due to what I think were numerous issues of mutual blackmail, its not like any of them actually took action although there were some rumors going around about some incidents revolving around the abrupt manner in which the Marine Corps officially kicked all of the FBI presence out of the Marine Corps Sniper School at Quantico.
If someone takes uniformed overt organizational action against the government in these matters, that is seen as revolutionary and instantly is considered an act of war. That war does not just require warriors, which is easy in this circumstance, but requires citizens of the revolution willing to share the burden in supporting it, and that's where this all falls apart.
There is simply no significant public support for revolutionary action and there never will be until those who want justice decide to practice real citizenship in something, anything sovereign, and you would be surprised how quickly and decisively that sovereignty gets recognized once there are a few clear demonstrations of sovereign power. That, and sovereign individuals feeling sovereign and asserting some eloquent quasi-legal arguments based on Constitutional sounding talk don't count.
We see bits and pieces of the real thing in the gang culture, but that is a culture steeped in crime. It is however, the reason why a lot of gang affiliates openly display citizenship indicators of a gang alliance, citizenship indicators often displayed by non-fighters.
You take for example, in the Sons of Anarchy TV show, a rough overview of the California biker scene. Sure they can get screwed with by the police, but there are limits to that, and if there is a group which is not steeped in crime and irresponsible behavior, and someone is sporting the colors of that group, which is proven equally capable of meeting out justice against those who would harm its citizens, it gives others cause to hesitate.
That's the street credibility issue I keep harping on. That thing where an Oathkeepr or III%er tag or Gadsden flag ought to mean something, where it demonstrates the "watch out who you are fucking with" message loud and clear. It also needs to not be sported by outright criminals, and needs to accompany a code of conduct which is not yet sorted out because the one thing we don't want is any narrative about us being some sort of threat to the general public and such a narrative needs to be met with open defiance and challenge. We are the ones who don't have it to be ashamed of at this point, the BATF, another story, the FBI, get real. Other alphabets and local agencies? You can bet right now most common bedrock type Americans have more stories to tell about being victimized at the hands of the government than us. What we need then is the right kind of conflicts in the right kinds of frequency to keep building enough street credibility to get that public support when things go open conflict. Of course that can all be avoided if the government thugs start behaving better, but hey, lets get real, we know how likely that shit is in the real world. We don't even have to lie or propagandize it since cops nutting up and throwing grenades in baby cribs and shooting up minivans with soccer moms is more common than any bad shit we even get accused of doing.
It is not even that hard to take the moral high ground on this, we really already have it when you look at public victimization at the hands of police vs public victimization at the hands of people in our movement. Our only problem with street credibility is the impunity in which others do harm to our people along with some internal conflict issues which arise from some "leaders" being popular and well connected, then using that advantage to pull stupid shit like Rick Light has done a few times. Even worse, collaborating to burn people in order to keep up a reputation with the very law enforcement agencies who are now getting to be a stain on everything.
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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10/29/2014 08:01 AM
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And if you think police don't take graft anymore, well, think again . Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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10/31/2014 08:06 AM
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Looks like they caught the Alledged PA Cop Killer. he surrendered to US Marshals, he maybe Lucky, if the PSP had found Him, I think there would have been a Gun Battle, even if The Guy was not a Active Shooter!!!
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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10/31/2014 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Bill Alexander: Looks like they caught the Alledged PA Cop Killer. he surrendered to US Marshals, he maybe Lucky, if the PSP had found Him, I think there would have been a Gun Battle, even if The Guy was not a Active Shooter!!!
Semper Fi No, I think they got over the enragement stage a while back in the search and now want to torture him for several years before the final execution. Now whether or not that is allowed to happen is anybody's guess since a lot of the interested parties need his mind and body intact in order to figure out what makes him tick.
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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01/29/2015 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by 5.56: LOL I better not travel faster than 5 MPH under the speed limit either! LOL You ain't kidding. And it's no laughing matter. You be careful now. I'm assuming that the video is stored in a very safe place. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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01/29/2015 02:47 PM
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5.56 I have a dropbox with 1 Tera Byte of storage you can use. Ill pm you the login and such. I think you can work from the box to you tube. it is secure cloud storage with aes 256 encryption.
I will help getting it posted to news websites and such if you want.
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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01/29/2015 02:52 PM
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Brother you don't need to attach it to an email to get it on youtube. In fact I don't think there is any email that will handle a file of that size but I have never tried to send that large of a file when I upload anything to my sites I use FTP
It is uploaded to YouTube using a script and it is done through your Browser.
There is an upload link at the top right of the YouTube page.
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Re: The Police Are Still Out of Control
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01/29/2015 02:54 PM
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PM Sent Lord Vader Luke called he wants his hand back. He cant Fap without it.Oh and you have been tasked to take the Stanley burger challenge. 24 stanley burgers in 12 hours.
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