About the roving bands of gang members? I live probably less than 2 miles from a detention center. Not good for me. Also, I don't have many group members. I do have a bug out plan in case we do get overrun and another "safe house" I can go to. I would also like to add that in the book "Patriots, Surviving the coming collapse" besides being a great story, I recall it saying that a defense that is know is not nearly as effective as one that is not. I appreciate everything ConSigCor, if you don't mind can I copy this into Word?