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The DHS Report on "Soveriegn Citizens" #158255
02/25/2015 07:58 AM
02/25/2015 07:58 AM
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CNN greeted this report with glaring headlines like "A Bigger Threat than ISIS?" Well, here it is. Some here will find it interesting that it singles out Shaeffer Cox on page 2.

At only seven pages - with large graphics - it's well worth a read.

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Re: The DHS Report on "Soveriegn Citizens" #158256
02/25/2015 11:00 AM
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If I am not mistaken Kerodin got his felony conviction while attempting to light a fire under the asses of some mall owners and management companies in areas there was verified intelligence information about Jihadists doing recon and dry runs for future attacks on shopping malls.

Kerodin and his security consulting group wanted to get paid for the work they were doing and to see certain security protocols implemented. For that, it was called extortion. Either way, when someone does fire up a few shopping malls and the Homeland Security people are standing there in the blood and rubble, the only thing they will know for certain is that it was definitely NOT us who did it.

As for most of the report. I fail to see how much I should dispute or care. DHS wants to warn the authorities that if they screw around with "SCEs" then someone might take it personally and do something about it, heck, they might as well get told that they ain't fucking around with the Sunday afternoon bridge and cribbage club or a bunch of punk gangbangers who will knock over a convenience store and terrorize regular disarmed citizens but not tangle with the police. Nah, screw around with the wrong family minivan, you might get shot in the face a few times by a teenage warrior with an AK.

What I see in that report, brief as it is since they don't have much to harp on about crime or public intimidation is they think it's war that people they want to kick around "as usual" snarl or bite back at them.

"Well gee whiz golly dayum Gomer, dems people got some ideological sorta thing going on that prevents them from having proper worship for our-thoritay."

Either way with those people, I see this as a win-win situation. Our people don't do shit unless pushed to the wall and screwed with, in the meantime any resources the government spends on screwing with us is going to have one of two results (or both);

A: Shows how much resources they will withdraw from protecting the public against the Jihadis who have already vowed to overthrow the country. Any act of terror on their part also proves that the "authorities" were spending time, money and effort looking the wrong direction, which makes them of course look stupid and wrong in direct proportion to the amount of damage done by any Jihadis operating within the United States.

B: Shows everyone who cares to look demonstrated proof that "SCEs" are not out to start shit, but can be deadly when threatened. Then someone does something, fits the profile put out, and everyone who looks at it says "well, looks like the government screwed with the wrong people who probably ought to have been left alone". Good, that's called street credibility. We need that badly.

C: The booby prize: DHS demonstrates infiltration and control by Jihadi sympathetic agents and other anti-American types who are trying to create and chase "domestic terrorist" boogeymen and create operational cover for Jihadi terrorist acts along with state sponsored organized crime, neither of which we have anything to do with, but the victims of which will go howling when it happens. Again, we take damage from such criminal acts, but our credibility and our reputation grow in the eyes of the public when it happens.


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Re: The DHS Report on "Soveriegn Citizens" #158257
02/25/2015 01:28 PM
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Another positive I see on this. When they solicit reports from local law enforcement and security operatives, it usually ties in to some idea that someone on some local government side has some clues that they have pissed off someone with a "sovereign state of mind", and wants to go calling in some bigger guns.

That means given the profile the feds put out, the first feds to show up are going to be asking a lot of questions about what happened, what someone did that pissed off the "SCE". Local police having to submit some sort of report to the feds explaining and attempting to justify what they did and why it justifies new federal escalation.

What that means for local organized crime and political cronies is that they don't get a blank check for calling in any big federal guns on our kinds of people just on the basis of the profile when the profile itself says that the violence would be reactionary in nature, meaning someone other than the SCEs started it.

So beating down someone at a traffic stop then putting them in jail for a week on false charges while their house gets looted and car impounded, then the person turns out to fit the profile, that does not lead directly to blanket authorization for a DHS federally assisted jailhouse suicide and arrest of the rest of the family, it leads to further investigation when there might not otherwise be one, which means the local law enforcement people need to be pretty squeaky clean in order to avoid any and all heat over it, which they rarely are, thus they end up with a couple of bad choices, doing what they want to do then knowing they are dealing with someone who fits the profile of violent retaliation, or answering to the feds about it, and if they call in the feds, it means they get investigated. If shit blows up in their face and they had never called the feds in, then it makes them look all the more guilty.


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Re: The DHS Report on "Soveriegn Citizens" #158258
02/26/2015 08:01 AM
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Airforce, see if you can post a link to the article from CNN. I find it amazing that people would write crap like that. Really ? A bigger threat than ISIS ?
And now we are labeled as SCE just for defending your own god given rights ?
It's unreal the mind set of some of the .gov agents that write this rubbish and the sheeple that follow along.


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Re: The DHS Report on "Soveriegn Citizens" #158259
02/26/2015 08:14 AM
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The headline has been changed, but here is the article .

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They're carrying out sporadic terror attacks on police, have threatened attacks on government buildings and reject government authority.

A new intelligence assessment, circulated by the Department of Homeland Security this month and reviewed by CNN, focuses on the domestic terror threat from right-wing sovereign citizen extremists and comes as the Obama administration holds a White House conference to focus efforts to fight violent extremism.

Some federal and local law enforcement groups view the domestic terror threat from sovereign citizen groups as equal to -- and in some cases greater than -- the threat from foreign Islamic terror groups, such as ISIS, that garner more public attention.​...
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