AWRM
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
New Libertarian Micronation #158450
04/20/2015 03:12 AM
04/20/2015 03:12 AM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,959
A 059 Btn 16 FF MSC
ConSigCor Offline OP
Senior Member
ConSigCor  Offline OP
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,959
A 059 Btn 16 FF MSC
Quote
This New Libertarian Micronation Might Just Be Crazy Enough to Work

Joshua Krause
The Daily Sheeple
April 18th, 2015


When Czech politician and libertarian activist Vít Jedlička decided to create a micronation in the Balkans, he never had any intention of succeeding. It was merely a political stunt designed bring media attention to his political party and beliefs. However, after receiving 20,000 requests for citizenship in less than a week, he is now taking the idea seriously. “It started a little bit like a protest. But now it’s really turning out to be a real project with real support.”

This proposed nation, which has since dubbed “Liberland,” would be situated along the border of Croatia and Serbia, and is less than 3 square miles in size. Taxes would be voluntary, and there would be no military. He is hoping to draft a constitution that would be inspired by the Swiss government. Just about anyone can apply for citizenship, so long as they don’t have any nazi, communist, or otherwise extremist past.

However, it’s hard to imagine success for this project. Hundreds of micronations have been founded in recent years, and none have ever gained any significant recognition from the international community. In many cases, their citizens are either removed or arrested by their government, or are simply ignored. But the nation of Liberland has one thing going for it, and that is the violent past of the Croatian and Serbian nations.

The area that he is claiming is not an ordinary piece of land. It is a disputed territory for these nations. If either government tries to intervene, they will raise the ire of the other, and potentially ignite the kind of war that these Balkan nations were famous for when Yugoslavia fell apart in the early 90’s. Since both governments are in the process of applying for full-fledged EU membership, it’s unlikely that they would risk their applications with a war.

And there is actually some historical precedent for this. Whenever there is a border dispute between two nations, it creates a vacuum where people can build an informal enclave within the territory. The greatest example of this in the 20th century, is the Kowloon Walled City, which was built by criminals, refugees, and squatters on a 6.4 acre piece of land after World War Two.

Because the territory was disputed between China and British ruled Hong Kong, it existed in a kind of political limbo for several decades. Since neither party was willing to start a conflagration over such a trivial piece of land, they left it alone. As time went on and more people moved there (33,000 at its peak), it became ever more expensive to remove these people and their improvised buildings, so neither country was willing to intervene.

Another reason why this might succeed, is that Jedlička has made it clear that he’s not going to rock the boat for either government that is claiming ownership of this land. By not creating a military and claiming that he would only put up a “passive resistance” against any intervention, he has created a situation where it would be more trouble than it’s worth to eliminate his fledgling nation.

Because this proposed nation poses no physical threat to its neighbors, and because any intervention could start a war that neither government wants, there isn’t a whole lot they can do. If at some point in the future, Serbia and Croatia become full-fledged members of the EU, then they’ll be in the position to eliminate the nation without starting a war. But if several thousand people move there and create a legitimate government before that happens, then it’ll be too late for them to stop it.

This may be difficult for most Americans to believe since we’ve grown accustomed to living under such an aggressive government. If someone tried to create a libertarian enclave in America, it’s safe to assume that the US government would be quick to eliminate it with extreme prejudice. But that’s not necessarily true in Europe, especially for two governments that are applying for EU membership.

There is actually another precedent here, in the form of a little known region called Freetown Christiania, situated in the Danish city of Copenhagen. This autonomous community was formed by squatters and anarchists in an abandoned military base in the early 70’s. Despite the best efforts of the government to remove them, they’re still around. And while they’ve never gained international recognition, for all practical purposes they’ve managed to maintain an independent community. If a European nation like Denmark isn’t willing to use excessive force to remove this community, and if Serbia and Croatia want to join the likes of Denmark, will they be able to stop this nation?

So what do you think? Will this project succeed in creating the first libertarian based nation, or is such an idea too intolerable for any government to allow along their border?

Delivered by The Daily Sheeple


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: New Libertarian Micronation #158451
04/20/2015 08:53 AM
04/20/2015 08:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
airforce Online content
Administrator
airforce  Online Content
Administrator
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
Quote
...The area that he is claiming is not an ordinary piece of land. It is a disputed territory for these nations. If either government tries to intervene, they will raise the ire of the other, and potentially ignite the kind of war that these Balkan nations were famous for when Yugoslavia fell apart in the early 90’s. Since both governments are in the process of applying for full-fledged EU membership, it’s unlikely that they would risk their applications with a war....
Interesting idea. I just hope the inhabitants are well armed. it will be interesting to see how this goes.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Re: New Libertarian Micronation #158452
04/20/2015 12:27 PM
04/20/2015 12:27 PM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 6,705
Western States
Breacher Offline
Moderator
Breacher  Offline
Moderator
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 6,705
Western States
Yeah, if the "leadership" assets pacifism, then its just another Eurotrash hippie squatter hangout where they would go with the proceeds of welfare and trust fund payments to hang out and stay stoned.

Flip side, it could get really interesting if it is a dumping ground for military deserters plus those with some sort of criminal history and business connections who still want access to the EU. Really interesting on that one. Think 1990s Prague.


Life liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten them.

Trump: not the president America needs, but the president America deserves.
Re: New Libertarian Micronation #158453
04/23/2015 06:28 PM
04/23/2015 06:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
airforce Online content
Administrator
airforce  Online Content
Administrator
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
"Liberland" already has 250,000 applications for citizenship . If they all move in (which they won't), it'll be a little crowded - that amounts to almost 100,000 people per square mile.

They're national motto? "Live and let live."

Onward and upward,
airforce

Re: New Libertarian Micronation #158454
04/24/2015 06:56 AM
04/24/2015 06:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
airforce Online content
Administrator
airforce  Online Content
Administrator
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
Would you like to become a citizen of Liberland? You can apply for citizenship online here.

Communists, Nazis, and those who reject the nation's motto, "Live and let live," are not welcome. Elections are planned within the next six months. Getting thee might be a trick, though; the Croatian border patrol is apparently turning away members of the press.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Re: New Libertarian Micronation #158455
05/09/2015 08:20 AM
05/09/2015 08:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
airforce Online content
Administrator
airforce  Online Content
Administrator
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 25,058
Tulsa
If you want to visit Liberland, you may find it a little difficult.

Quote
The inauguration of a new libertarian mini-state in the war-ravaged Balkans may sound like an elaborate joke. But Croatian and Serbian authorities aren't laughing.

The so-called Free Republic of Liberland, a 7-square-kilometer (3 sq. mile) patch of swampland on the banks of the Danube, between Serbia and Croatia, has been blocked for over a week by police in both states.

The heavily forested area where deer and wild boar roam has been claimed by a group of Czech, Swiss, Danish and others who have announced they are forming of a tax haven — like Monaco or Liechtenstein — in the heart of the Balkans.


Things aren't going that smoothly for the new "nation," where self-declared President Vit Jedlicka planned to start inhabiting the land this week.

Croatia deployed border police units and patrol boats to prevent repeated attempts by dozens of Liberland organizers and their followers to reach the uninhabited area, whose only building is a run-down abandoned hunter lodge. Serbian police prevented them from crossing the border from their side.

"The police did their job maybe even better than expected," said Jedlicka, a member of a small libertarian Czech party. "Even the people who wanted to give us the boats were searched and were told that they are not allowed to give us the boats.

"But we won't give up that easy," he said. "We'll keep on trying."

Jedlicka in April planted Liberland's yellow-and-black flag on muddy land a little bigger than The Vatican. He says that the particular area was chosen because it is a rare "unclaimed" territory in Europe. The truth is that both Serbia and Croatia claim that land and still need to settle their border dispute stemming from the 1990s Balkan wars.

Legal experts in both Serbia and Croatia say that the territory is not a no-man's land, and that Jedlicka has no legal right under international law to claim it.

"It is legally senseless that someone sticks a flag on a disputed territory and declares it an independent state," said Bojan Milisavljevic, a law professor at Belgrade University....
Onward and upward,
airforce


.
©>
©All information posted on this site is the private property of the individual author and AWRM.net and may not be reproduced without permission. © 2001-2020 AWRM.net All Rights Reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1