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Sen. Graham Will Introduce Declaration of War #158877
11/18/2015 08:03 AM
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Just kidding. But Lindsey Graham is going to introduce another Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) that will allow us to attack basically anyone, anywhere, forever.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is readying an authorization of military force against the Islamic State that would allow the United States to attack the militant group's allies anywhere, and with no timetables.

"ISIL is a more credible threat to our homeland than al-Qaeda," Graham said in an interview, referring to the Islamic State by one of its other names. "We need to have an authorization of force that is not limited by geography, time, or means."

The resolution, which Graham plans to officially introduce after the Thanksgiving recess, is being shaped and shopped around to senators on Wednesday. "No geographic limits are placed on American military or intelligence services in the fight against ISIL," reads the outline of the in-process legislation. "No expiration date. No prohibition on sending American forces on the ground to combat ISIL. No prohibitions on the ability of the United States to disrupt online terrorist recruitment activities, online terrorist propaganda, or terrorist communications."

All of that makes Graham's AUMF further-reaching than any comparable ones — none of which have gotten traction in Congress. The Obama administration has favored an authorization of force with a three-year limit, a non-starter among Republican hawks. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has drafted a war authorization that would also place limits on ground troops, and end the 2001 and 2002 authorizations of force against (respectively) al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussain's Iraq. Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), two freshmen who have campaigned for a new AUMF, wrote in Time magazine Wednesday that their own details need to be worked out. "Questions about whether to 'sunset' an ISIS-specific AUMF and what to do about the 14-year-old statute which currently serves as the administration’s legal underpinning for action against ISIS, remain," they acknowledged.

Graham, who like Paul is a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, has no such questions. He called it "absurd" to suggest that the Islamic State was trying to bait America into more military action by endorsing attacks in places, such as Paris.

"President Obama is providing a half-a-sed response to a national security threat, an immediate threat to the homeland," he said. "I want to provide a response that is not constrained by geography. ISIL’s in eight countries, trying to project throughout the world. After 9/11 we created authorization to allow us to attack al-Qaeda anywhere, and we need the same thing now."

Democrats — and lawmakers skittish about a new war debate — have suggested that the 2001 and 2002 authorizations of force cover everything needed to fight the Islamic State. "We have an authorization to use military force against terrorists," said Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and current Democratic presidential front-runner, in a CBS News debate on Saturday. "We passed it after 9/11."

Graham saw that as insufficient. In the interview, he repeatedly said that the military needed to be free to operate absolutely anywhere that the Islamic State or ISIS reached. That, he noted was why he called the Islamic State ISIL, and not ISIS — the last letter of the acronym ISIL refers to the Levant, while the last two letters of ISIS refers to Iraq and Syria.

"They're seeking territory beyond Iraq and Syria," said Graham. "That’s what their ambitions are."

At the same time, Graham described the actual power of the Islamic State as something that would be relatively easy to destroy. "I want to destroy them, not 'fight' them," he said. "They’re lightly armed compared to a modern army. In Egypt, in other countries that would be allies here, you have modern air forces. You have navies. ISIS doesn't have an air force, and ISIS doesn't have a navy. This is not like going into Iraq. We’re talking about taking land back from 30,000-40,000 fighters."

(I have to pause here. I'm having a flashback to 1967.)

"It helps enormously if you defeat ISIL," Graham said. "ISIL is seen as the winner on the Internet, as an inspiration. The day you take Raqqa back and give it to Syrians, the day you take Mosul and give it back to Iraqis, is the day the allure of ISIL fades. They become losers."

Victory in Iraq, in Graham's view, would also bring closure to the refugee crisis.

"What I keep telling senators is that the refugee lane is one of 20 lanes the terrorists can attack us from," he said. "What makes us safe is victory on the ground in Iraq and Syria."
Here we go again.

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Re: Sen. Graham Will Introduce Declaration of War #158878
11/18/2015 11:27 AM
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As to 1967 if the USA fought in Vietnam the same way we fought WW2 instead of fighting a Limited War as we did in Korea and Vietnam, we would have won in Vietnam instead of leaving Vietnam with our tails between our legs like the Cowards we were.

As to ISIS those bastards need to be totally destroyed and destroyed by any and all means necessary, including by the use of American Ground forces and to Hell with Collateral Damage.

Personally if I were President I would have zero problem using Nukes on the scum since I would prefer to see Millions of dead Syrian Muslims then one Dead American Soldier or Marine.

I also believe that as long as ISIS has plans for Attacking Americans on US Territory what happens in Syria is our business. and any one who believes America should not be involved is at best a retard.

One very important fact that the non-interventionists don't seem to comprehend is the United States is fully responsible for what is now happening with ISIS in Syria and elsewhere.

The responsibility is totally on Bush the 2nd and all the Hawks who supported attacking Iraq and getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

There is a saying or idiom you make the bed now you have to lie in it.

Well like it or not, the United States made it's bed in Iraq which which is responsible for ISIS, we have to lie in that bed of nails we made regardless of how uncomfortable it is.

In short The United States is responsible and we have to be men enough to correct the problem with or without the help of our Allies.


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Re: Sen. Graham Will Introduce Declaration of War #158879
11/18/2015 02:13 PM
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The major problem we had in Vietnam is, it was hard to tell who the good guys and the bad guys were. If John McCain can't tell the difference between bad Syrians and good Syrians, that sort of tells you something.

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Originally posted by airforce:
The major problem we had in Vietnam is, it was hard to tell who the good guys and the bad guys were. If John McCain can't tell the difference between bad Syrians and good Syrians, that sort of tells you something.

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That was one problem with winning in Vietnam but an even bigger problem was the unwillingness of our Government to Fight to Win the same as it was in Korea.

We Lost in Korea and the reason we lost was because President Truman didn't have the balls to do what was needed to Win. If President Truman and America had done what MacArthur had wanted we would have Won and there would be No commie North Korea to deal with

And if we had bombed the hell out of North Vietnam as we did with Japan and with Germany like we should have we would have won or at least only have the VC to fight against instead of the NVA. And if I remember correctly the VC had stopped being an effective fighting force later on in the war, so with no NVA we would have actually won.

Now as to Syria and not being able to tell the Good Guys from the Bad we should say and do as was said and done during the Crusades.

See during the Crusades the Crusaders couldn't tell the Muslims from the Christians so the Crusader leader said Kill Them All, God Will Know His Own.

So if a few or a lot of innocent Muslims that is if there are really any truly innocent Muslims, have to die just so we get all the Bad Muslims then so be it.


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Re: Sen. Graham Will Introduce Declaration of War #158881
11/19/2015 05:16 AM
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Even Hillary Clinton wants more war. The war with ISIS, “requires sustained commitment from every pillar of American power,” she said. “This is a worldwide fight and America must lead it.”

Of course, she still won't blame Muslims, saying "Muslims have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."

Well, if we really want to help peaceful Muslims, we should probably stop bombing, invading, and destabilizing their countries. And if we want to stop ISIS, the place to start would be to stop funding, supplying, and training them. But the State wants war forever, and it looks like that's what we're going to get.

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