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FBI "Egged On" Draw Muhammad Shooters #159629
08/05/2016 04:24 AM
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Remember those two idiots who tried to shoot up a "Draw Muhammad" event in Texas? Not only was the FBI watching them, they encouraged them on social media. I wish I could say I was surprised.

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Days before an ISIS sympathizer attacked a cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, he received a text from an undercover FBI agent.

“Tear up Texas,” the agent messaged Elton Simpson days before he opened fire at the Draw Muhammad event, according to an affidavit (pdf) filed in federal court Thursday.

“U know what happened in Paris,” Simpson responded. “So that goes without saying… No need to be direct.”

That revelation comes amidst a national debate about the use of undercover officers and human sources in terrorism cases. Undercover sources are used in more than half of ISIS-related terror cases, according to statistics kept by the George Washington University Program on Extremism, and civil liberties advocates say some of those charged might not have escalated their behavior without those interventions....

The texts were included in the indictment, released Thursday, of Erick Jamal Hendricks of Charlotte, North Carolina. He was charged with conspiring to provide material support to ISIS. The 35-year-old tried to recruit other Americans to form an ISIS cell on secret compounds and introduced an undercover agent to one of the Draw Muhammad attackers, according to the FBI.

But Hendricks did more than make a connection. According to the court papers, he asked the undercover officer about the Draw Muhammad event’s security, size, and police presence, during the event, according to an affidavit filed in court.

The affidavit does not specify what the undercover responded to questions about size and security.

“If you see that pig [Pamela Geller] make your ‘voice’ heard against her,” Hendricks allegedly told the undercover agent, referring to a notorious Islamophobe.

Press officers for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Ohio, the Cleveland FBI Office, and the Department of Justice declined to comment beyond the affidavit. FBI spokeswoman Carol Cratty hung up on The Daily Beast after being asked about the “tear up Texas” text....
Here is the arrest affidavit. The information about the "Draw Muhammad" event starts in earnest at #67, on page 28.

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Re: FBI "Egged On" Draw Muhammad Shooters #159630
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I would point to an old policy of the JDL which got Irv Rubin in hot water with a few factions at the FBI.

He said that the Feds had infiltrated most of the anti-Jewish groups and if anybody carried out a successful attack on his people and his people could get their hands on and interrogate a known attacking terrorist, they would squeeze the organization for the identities of any government handlers or agents within the attacking organization, then pick those guys up and torture the hell out of them for operations information and their chain of command.

Shortly after 9/11 he was arrested in connection with a revenge plot against Arab associated targets in the USA. Claiming the jihadis had already infiltrated much of the government too, so part of his target list included politicians he said actually worked for the Saudis... Most of the JDL leadership were killed off prior to the start of the Obama campaign in 2008.


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Re: FBI "Egged On" Draw Muhammad Shooters #159631
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FBI Agent Goaded Garland Shooter to “Tear Up Texas,” Raising New Alarms About Bureau’s Methods

Murtaza Hussain

2016-08-09


The revelation that an undercover FBI agent encouraged a would-be terrorist to “Tear up Texas” shortly before he opened fire on a “Draw Muhammad” cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, last year raises new concerns about FBI counterterrorism efforts that were already under fire for manufacturing terrorism cases rather than halting them.

According to an affidavit filed in a related case last week, Elton Simpson — one of two men who donned body armor and fired assault weapons before being shot dead by a Garland police officer — had been corresponding with an undercover FBI agent. And in a text message roughly a week before the attack, as they discussed the cartoon contest, the agent had exhorted Simpson to “Tear up Texas.”

The FBI, in the affidavit, explained the comment as “an effort to continue their dialogue” with the suspect.

But testing the willingness of suspects to take certain steps in a conspiracy is one thing; actively encouraging them to commit a violent, criminal act is another.

“The FBI uses informants and undercover agents to pressure suspected ISIS sympathizers into committing acts of violence, so that they can then be prosecuted. The Garland shooter case is the most striking illustration yet of the dangers of this approach,” says Arun Kundnani, a lecturer on terrorism studies at New York University. “Essentially, it suggests the government may be manufacturing the very threat it is supposed to be countering.”

Kundnani called for “an independent congressional investigation of the FBI’s tactics.”

The extensive role played by the undercover agent was first reported by the Daily Beast.

Though sting operations are generally seen as an appropriate tool for infiltrating criminal organizations or conspiracies, their use is more problematic in contemporary terrorism cases involving isolated individuals. In those cases, the concern is that the informant or undercover agent could plant the idea to actually conduct an attack in the mind of a suggestible or unstable person.

“These cases always have a lot of gray area and there has always been a question of how far the FBI should go when they get involved in these sting operations,” said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School. “But if you’re going to target potentially unstable, vulnerable individuals in undercover sting operations, you have to examine the potential consequences of having these types of discussions with them.”

The utility of sting operations has changed in the era of Islamic State, Greenberg said. Terrorist groups in the past, including al Qaeda, tended to have more coherent plots and mature conspirators. “There are several factors which make it harder to control a situation with informants in ISIS cases, including the instability, vulnerability, and, frequently, the young age of most ISIS recruits,” Greenberg said. “Not only is there often a lack of a specific plot in mind, there tends to be a real sense of suicidal thinking and self-hatred in their motivations that can make it more difficult to control a situation.”

“We just don’t know what happened in this case, but it’s a real warning sign that the foreseeable consequences of acts are now unknown,” she adds. In none of the previous cases is the FBI known to have actively encouraged violence, nor dealt with anyone equipped and prepared to carry out an imminent, violent act. Here they seemingly did both.

FBI Director James Comey has said there are active investigations of suspected ISIS sympathizers ongoing “in all 50 states.” But little is known about the nature of the individuals held under suspicion or what methods the FBI is using to investigate them.

The New York Times reported in June that since February 2015, two thirds of terrorism prosecutions related to Islamic State have involved undercover operatives.

And in recent years a number of plots have materialized involving seemingly unstable individuals interacting with government informants. This January, a 25-year-old man with a history of psychiatric problems was arrested after attempting to attack an upstate New York bar with a machete — with the assistance of a government informant who helped provide him with the machete. And in October 2014, a former army recruit was introduced to FBI informants after being released from of a mental institution. Months later, he was arrested for plotting to attack a military facility — with a fake bomb provided by the informants.

Although more than 100 alleged Islamic State plots have been documented in the United States since 2014, it’s unclear how many would have materialized without the involvement of informants or undercover agents. Such cases nevertheless help inflate the public fear of terrorism and feed the misconception that terrorist sleeper cells are ubiquitous in the United States.

The escalation of FBI tactics to actively encouraging violent actors in these investigations would be a dangerous step.

Many of the targets of prior terrorism investigations did not demonstrate any ability to prepare for an actual attack without the FBI providing their equipment. But the Garland shooters did.

And had they been more competent in their assault, the result could have been one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in recent U.S. history – an attack that was encouraged by the FBI.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: FBI "Egged On" Draw Muhammad Shooters #159632
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The article written by a person with the name Hussain crying about undercover ops among her constituency...

That said, I can see how the Feds get impatient on this stuff and push it along in order to make career points. I have heard of similar stunts in the biker and crime world. They start up a club and get a new prospect to do the traditional stuff, and lo and behold, the prospect is just getting set up.


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Re: FBI "Egged On" Draw Muhammad Shooters #159633
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It works in the Drug War, too.

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Originally posted by airforce:
It works in the Drug War, too.

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Yeah, dirt common but generally speaking, frowned upon in the drug enforcement circles. It usually indicates there was a more authentic bad guy operating in the same jurisdiction who had been given a pass while his law enforcement buddies were making quota arrests at the expense of some relatively innocent schmucks.

The comeback is always a variation of "well he did the crime right"?, thus schmuck still does prison time except he stays a low level schmuck but with a criminal record that means he always has the rep but rarely gets the payoff. Probably had little or nothing to offer in trade for a better plea bargain, so you see a lot of that breed doing hard time and if they clean up, maybe even go vigilante when they get out, figuring the drug world owes them something. Then the dealers who set them up have all sorts of street credibility problems when a few of these schmucks gang up and are back in the old neighborhood only to find out the dealer who was getting let go all of the time is the landlord of half the neighborhood, has grandsons in the police department and everyone knows he owes something to those who did the time for him. Sometimes they get paid off, sometimes not.


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