A Patriot2 you are exactly right. Been there done that and it stayed for 3 years with NO problems so i replanted it.

Can't disagree with that, I have mine under a rock but flowers should work, removing the air slows down any corrosion, I've wrapped mine in silcon socks, and added dry packs and a little vasoline around the top lid to seal and make it easier to remove.

since i work in a mall i can aquire packs as much as i want..i even have a person in a shoe store that is collecting them for me..and years ago(pre Y2K) i collected them from drug stores the ones that come with the giant pill bottles..

Thanks for the "confirmation", guys! It sounded feasible to me so that's what I'll do.

I am definitely thinking about planting em under my portable back yard fountain in a flower bed. I think that the distraction of the perdy lil fountain and flowers would be the perfect hiding place. I believe in the "hidden in plain sight" theory. Now, I have to acquire the PVC and get on it ASAP.

sidenote:
A relative of mine said that he recently had a "surrepitious" entry/raid [while not at home] by the cops due to some lady who had falsely accused him (simply accused him mind you) of being a terrorist. He told me that due to his burying of his boyz toyz under a bunch of storage items in a basement type area, they overlooked the toyz and moved on. He discovered/confirmed the "entry" through another neighbor who noticed the activity.

That's what I want. For them to totally miss em if they come lookin.

Don't put them under the water fountain! They copied your thread and wrote it down for future reference. This is not a private board. OPSEC. At this time you would be best served by putting a booby trap under the water fountain. Booby trap is not a bra!

Any store that sells LPS products should be able to order the #3 for you. I bought mine thru a tool store. PVC pipe can be picked up from a local handiman/DIY store. 12" pipe will need to come from a plumbing wholesaler.

There are several books and videos out there about caching and secret hiding places. Most of them are pretty good.

SIDE NOTE ON PVC. Several years ago, just after the first ban went into effect, I went to the local lumberyard to buy some PVC. The largest I could find on the shelf was 4". I asked the young girl working in the department about the 6" and why the shelves were empty. She was only about 17-19. She came right out and told me "You will have to use 4" and take the stocks off!"

If you cache in your own yard,make your cach harder to find by burying several empty metal paint cans and beer cans in your yard. This sounds like a beginning of a good article! I'm starting to write it now.

Paint and beer cans are a great idea. Also any other scrap steel that is easy to get under 2 inches of ground.

Patriot & Rudy-
10-4 on the Oop's. I think the false readings idea is a great one. Collecting cans as we write.

But truthfully, anyone who read my post and belongs to uncle scum, their gonna tear up the back yard with a fine tooth comb anyway. Think about the mass murderers and serial killers (of past news stories) who've buried their "projects" in their yards. Their yards looked like a pack of wild gophers got loose in em.

False positives on the metal detector would be the only way to discourage em.......if they're "discouraged" at all. Most of those guys are tenacious and go till they can go no more (unless someting distracts em to move on).

Bottom line, I will weigh my words more carefully in the future as you are correct and I slipped up.

about the metal detectors, A friend of mine put a frost free faucet, you know the ones with the handle next to where he put his cache the have galvinized pipe running to them. that should throw off the detectors. just a hint. Hey put it next to a phone pole or conduit will do the same.

My home was built in 2001. The contractor, like so many other contractors buried some excess items around the yard. I found a roll of rebar tie wire with the lawn mower. The septic field was put in the wrong location so a second one was put in. Cement trucks were cleaned out in the side yard while I wasn't around.

I'm thinking of buying a bag of shot and spreading it with my fertilizer.

Rudy, you have an unused septic tank in your yard?

If you do thats a gold mine, what a stash!!!!!
Even if it was used at one time, have it pumped, flushed and if you store your items in 5 gal buckets with lids great.

Oh for those of you going "YUCK" you will be doing worse then that after the SHTF.

Ditto with GreyWolf! You had better make very good use of that sit Rudy.

Ok I have a silly question to ask. Why is everyone going to bury their guns? I know that they will be banned, but wont that just ban new sales? They cannot take your guns if you bought them before the ban. I know how do you prove when you bought them, well I went to the store I bought all mine at and got copies of the paperwork with all the dates.

Even if you don't do that how would they know what you have?

Or are we talking about a confiscation type situation? In that case bury them, I guess, but then how will you use them?

See my post for somewhat of an answer:
http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=32;t=000140;p=1#000009

Enough false positives and they'll get discouraged. All it takes is one good find and they will be hard to stop.

Easy solution is not bury them in YOUR yard. When mom and dad are on vacation bury something in theirs. Or find a secluded spot on public land and bury the cache tube only. See if it is undisturbed after about a month, and then fill it.

Now if your yard is over 25 acres or so, it could be safe to bury in it. If you have a buddy that owns a farm, see if you could bury it on his property.

Rudy-
10-4....I read ya.

Unfortunately the ONLY persons I know that have more than 1/4 acre are miles-n-miles away from my AO.

One's a buddy about 45 miles away. A relative lives 100 miles away. Both those R way too far 4 me & my liking!

I might try a public area. But, I underline "might"! I am NOT comfortable with that though. Again, I'd have to travel too far to retrieve em. Decisions - decisions!

I would love to tell you how to keep your caches close, but I will not discuss it on the board, I have something planned for the fall. Those of you who attend will be treated to some survival cache techniques that I have come across over the last 20 years, since I live in Alaska. Stay tuned I will announce in less then month.

10-4. I think I know what yer sayin, Greywolf.

A buddy and myself have discussed this on many ocassions. I'll wait for your "announcement" and we can go from there.

Use PM Greywolf. But i have a better idea. Don't bury the guns, use them. Dead man don't take guns. He just lays there nice and humbled. (forever).

Agree with the use the guns Idea, but since I can;t keep them all with me I like to have some weapons and ammo in good strategic hideouts. I would not want just enough to carry with me, I travel light and fast.

Greywolf. R U of American Indian descent?

You sound like it from that last statement, as well as my "light bulb" popped on about your monkier just now. "Greywolf" is an Indian moniker, isn't it?

Just curious.
Cordially,
A.P2

Yea, I am decendent from cherokee on my mothers side and some on my fathers side, but my great grandfather was a LT. in the 4th Va state line CSA. Of course you know the Cherokees fought for the south.

Just wanted to add a little clarification for John Hancock and Patriot for their above posts. I don't and I hope most of you aren't burying all your weapons. I have caches of weapons and ammo in several different locations. they are not in my front yard but are in areas I can escape to if I am in a defensive posture. I use 12" PVC because I can cut them to length for my rifles, the seal real well and if you put vaseline inside the top cap it removes easy and help waterproof the unglued top. I bury them under and item, rock bush rotten log,6" of dirt. I bury them vertical so I can remove the dirt or other cover and pull off the cap and retrieve my weapon and ammo. ammo is kept in a small box with a cord for pulling it from the bottom of the tube. If you do this once you arrive at your cache it will take you less then 5 minutes to be rearmed and ready.. Hope I answered any question. if not let me know I'll answer them...

Greywolf and others:

Here is a problem that I see we are causing ourselves. We all try to fill the cache container. We don't want a bit of empty space in it.

I'm going to start planting my caches with just one or 2 items in them and have multiple caches at a site.

Here's my thinking. I'm on the run and need some ammo from my cache. I'm being chased. I dig up my cache and take the ammo. I leave the rifle, food, webgear and batteries in the container. If I have time I rebury it and remove my spoil from the location. Good trackers will still be able to locate the cache.

If I can't rebury it, I've just lost everything that was in it to whom ever was chasing me.

First, I do not caches weapons and supplies, food in the same cache

second, My weapons caches are roughly 5' long 12" tubes buried vertical, top of caches are 6" below ground or cover by a small boulder. My food caches are 5 gal buckets stored in safe houses, supply caches same or bury in separate tube thats 3' long, buried different location and same configuration.

third, to open my weapon or supply cache you need to dig 6" down and around the cap or move a rock. once the cap is exposed, unscrew it if it is screw on type or pull it of if it is slip on with vaseline. empty cache, put cap on, and hand cover lid. It takes you more then 5 minutes to open empty and close, find a new line of work.

fourth, if you are being followed so close that you can not open the type of cache I just described. Do not go to your cache until you lose the tail...

fifth, I know you want to use all available space in you cache, or maybe digging holes ain't your thing. Many small caches are better then one big one with all your stuff in it. If you lose the big cache you've lost everything, with many small caches few with weapons few with food and few with gear, your lose one you have more... I spent a lot of years in the service of my country, I learned how to do thing the military way. I spent the last 20 years unlearning how to do it their way...Everybody is training to be a soldier, many of us were.... Stop now, train to be a warrior, live like your part of your environment, remember how the soldier you'll meet will do it, but you and I mean you better never do things that way. They know that way and will kill you. Make them spend years figuring out how you do the things you do. Again fight and think like a warrior, and it will take them years to figure you out.

sixth, I should not have to tell you all this, it better become 2nd nature...or you will die...

seventh, it was said by warriors " today is a good day to die". It was also said by another warrior, Gen Patton he would rather " make the other poor SOB die for his country".

eight, end of rant..

My point exactly!!!!!

What kind of rifles do you bury? Main reason for asking is around where I live they keep digging up stuff for new subdivisions, not to mention the cornfields, hate to lose an $800-$1,200 investment, especially if there is no need for it yet. So maybe like an sks or m44 or somethin? I could go for that.

My primary weapon is the AR15 platform. I've buried 2 full length AR's. My secondary weapon was an HK-91. I've now swithced to the FN, so the HK is buried with 17 magazines.

If you can find SKS's cheap enough, they are good for caching. It's even cheaper cache bolt actions. If you use the FN, I would look at caching a couple of the Lee-Enfields in .308.

My opinion is to cache a weapon that uses the same caliber as your primary weapon. In my case I can't find any inexpensive 5.56 weapons so I use the AR.
The HK was a weapon that I already had so it was cached. Since the magazines are not interchangeable with the FN, I cached them also.

I'm still using the HK as my platform, I dont have any other .308 yet. I think I might just buy some cheapo SKS's to bury. I dont really like them, so I won't mind burying them.

I know nothing .

I forget some of you live in cities... that does make it harder to bury. but if you live near a national forest, some where back off of the trails would be a good choice... you can bury on your property I guess if you have it next to the chain link fence or other none movable metal to throw off the metal detectors.. still a risk maybe less then in some field you don't know fate of... Of course if they sell it you should have time to remove at least the stores before the bulldoze it.

About the weapons buried, good suggestions above, I can not tell what I have buried OPSEC, but they are not easly replaced....

It wasn't the tank, it was the field that had to be replaced. I have 2 drain fields in my yard. My fields are 2 - 4" pvc pipe about 50'long. They have about 8" of pea gravel under them for drainage.

Another idea is a patio made from the concrete pavers or stepping stones.

Under an above ground pool or children's wading pool will also work.

In a childs sandbox should be a good choice.

Too bad it is not the tank... but I like the pavers idea...sand box seems a little too easy for them to check...But boy you thinking now

Possibly add a drain pipe into your plumbing drain, but seal it so the real drainage don't come through. It would take some planning to make it look "natural", but do-able for a quick way to get your gear. Oh, and for those of you never done plumbing, get some strong string, loop both ends, and saw through PVC.

Sandbox as in 30' x 30' with a swing in the middle and a slide off to one side. 6-8" of sand with some steel shot mixed in for starters.

OMG I feel sorry for the SoB that has to search my yard with a metal detector . I've got steal and brass cases littered all over my yard I hardly ever pick them up . they'll be digging for days and probably find about 2000 to 4000 spent rds. of various calibers :p .

I have said more then I should already on this subject... as all those books from Paladin press say everything I tell you here is "strickly for entertainment purposes"...

I have used bituthene (sp?), a thick rubber sheet with a super strong mastic glue on the back side. With the larger 12" pipe, I use it to cap off both ends of the pipe. It won't leak, and when you need access, you simply cut it out with your pocket knife. This stuff is very tough and sticky, and it has not given me any trouble yet. I have recovered piped that were buried for over 2 years with no ill effects on the contents. I live in a rain forest like environment. Bituthene is used for many water proofing applications in the building trades.

Where are some good places to bury caches in a suburban mountainous region

Is it rocky? Maybe it would be easier to disguise them rather than bury them.