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Warning from a police officer #99785
01/14/2009 03:38 AM
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The Thin Blue Line, by Deputy W.

The “Thin Blue Line”. It describes something much greater than the title of a second rate movie. It describes the thin blue line of civilian law enforcement officers that is the only thing that separates America from utter chaos. It is not too difficult to imagine what would happen if that thin blue line were to disappear or become overwhelmed. A scary thought indeed, but one that you are already thinking about since you are reading SurvivalBlog.

Yet, we are alarmingly close to just such a scenario. As most readers of SurvivalBlog know, our modern Western society is extremely complex, interwoven, and most of all, vulnerable. We are facing the most serious economic situation since the Great Depression, but discussion of the current economic crisis and the innumerable other threats to our society is beyond the scope of this essay. Rather, I hope to explain to you, from a rural law enforcement officer’s perspective, what we could be in for in the event of a cataclysmic societal event.

I have been in a law enforcement career for 10 years. I have worked in a jail, I have worked road patrol, and I have been an investigator. Through my career, I have become a student of human nature. I have seen the evil that man is capable of perpetrating against his fellow man. There is one general rule to remember about all of humanity: it is at the core of our sinful nature to do that which is best for ourselves, regardless of what effect that may have on other people. We are a murderous and self seeking race, and it is my hope that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ to set you free from this sin.
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But facts are facts. The Bible tells us that there will be many more souls that will be lost than there will be souls that will be saved in the end times. So we must prepare ourselves spiritually and physically, with the assumption that we will soon be facing unimaginable evil, and it will be in the form of a human face. As disturbing as it may be to you, you must be prepared to do whatever it takes to defend yourself and your family. You must be willing and able to deliver a lethal recourse if it becomes absolutely necessary. I will extrapolate on those thoughts.

The average petty criminal has a simple mind set. He operates from much lower moral standard than most other people. He is concerned about only one thing: himself. He is typically lazy and self serving. He doesn’t see a reason to go to work every day. Working people are chumps to him, but he likes having them around because they earn plenty of things for him to steal. It is no coincidence that burglaries are primarily daytime affairs. He knows that most people will not be home when he chooses to burglarize. He doesn’t want to hurt anybody, but he carries a knife or a gun in case somebody tries to interfere with his plans The only thing that keeps him from being more brazen is the threat of enforcement action against him. He doesn’t really want to go to jail, because it really is an unpleasant place to be. After all, if jail were so great, why do so many criminals flee capture?

Then consider the more malicious type of criminal. He has absolutely no morals, with the exception of honor among criminals. Even that is very questionable if it comes to a point where he can save his own skin. He has been raised on violence, and it is all he knows. He has no empathy for you, your family, or for anyone else. He doesn’t care if he causes you pain, and he probably even enjoys it. He will give no more thought to killing you than you would give to killing a housefly. He sees people like you as an annoyance to be dealt with. He sees you as an inanimate object, put on this earth only to provide him with gratification. He sees you, your family, and your possessions as a means to an end to self gratification. He will do whatever he wants to do in order to be gratified, unless and until you are willing to do whatever it takes to defend yourself. Otherwise, it is very likely that you and your family will perish horribly.

You see both types of these criminals all over America. You see them in the big cities and in the small towns. The only reason they are kept in check is because we have an established system to adjudicate and punish criminals. Even that is not usually enough to keep them from committing dastardly acts. All that we can hope for as a law enforcement officer is to catch the criminal after the act punish him. Then we hope that this acts as a deterrent to future criminal acts. Honestly, I’m not sure that it does. Some men are just plain wicked and that’s the way it is.

Criminals are the minority under normal circumstances. Most citizens are decent and hard working people. But it would not take much to destabilize our society. There are a lot of threats to our way of life. Proceed with me through the following scenario. A major economic collapse occurs in America. Millions are unemployed and have no way to earn honest money. The rest of the citizenry is crippled by inflation. Through various economic events, the entire economy grinds to a halt. Trucks and trains stop moving, which means that coal is not delivered to power plants, and food is not delivered to stores.
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Things quickly grow desperate. The average family realizes all too late that they have only a few days worth of food in their cupboard, with no available means to acquire more. Hundreds of millions converge on supermarkets within a matter of a week or two, and riots and looting erupts. Martial Law is declared and the National Guard is called up, but is completely inadequate to maintain order. Not only do the aforementioned criminals become free from constraint and begin to run amok, but millions of regular people realize that the only way their kids will be fed is if they go and take supplies from someone else. Hungry people with weapons will have no reservation about doing unspeakable evil on others if it means their own family will survive a little longer. Do not doubt that the sinful nature will turn normally docile people into voracious killers. It has been written into our DNA since the Fall of man.

Now to the big point I’m making. Here’s where it gets really scary, and the vulnerability of the thin blue line becomes apparent. I am employed in a county with a population of 40,000 people. We have a city of 25,000 as a county seat. At most, the agencies in my area could muster about 50 officers. This means that there would be an 800 to 1 ratio of citizens to police officers in our area. It would be impossible to maintain order with this ratio. We would be lucky to be able to hold a few buildings, let alone provide law enforcement service to 1,000 square miles of rural area.

Now imagine this happening in every city in town in America, all at the same time. The number of law enforcement officers, National Guard, and [Reserve Component and active duty] soldiers would be wholly inadequate to even make a small dent in widespread civil disorder. There are many Friday and Saturday nights when our local law enforcement agencies have to stack service calls for two hours due to high call volume, and this is during normal times. If law enforcement agencies can’t answer calls in a timely manner during normal times, how could a reasonable person expect law enforcement to be there during a societal collapse?I also urge you to consider this. There is no way that I, even as a police officer, can abandon my God-given responsibility to care for and protect my own family. There are times when retreat is the better part of valor, and if that terrible time comes, the vast majority of officers will not be able to justify in their own minds fighting a lost cause. They will retreat and take care of their family, which is what the brotherhood of the thin blue line is all about. Don’t misunderstand. The huge majority of law enforcement officers perform a very dangerous profession honorably and to the very best of their ability. But drastic times will call for drastic measures from everyone, and the preparedness minded person can’t assume that the thin blue line will always remain intact.

Thus, it quickly becomes apparent that each citizen will be responsible for his own family’s safety and security during these perilous times. To assume that there will always be police there to protect you will most likely be fatal. Please don’t make that mistake. Do what you must do. If you own a gun, learn how to use it proficiently. Take firearms training courses, and know the laws in your area. Most importantly, be ready for the unexpected, and don’t rely upon the government to take care of you. That’s your responsibility. - Deputy W. in Missouri


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: Warning from a police officer #99786
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Thus, it quickly becomes apparent that each citizen will be responsible for his own family’s safety and security during these perilous times. To assume that there will always be police there to protect you will most likely be fatal.
Well said! It's preaching to the choir here, but good advice for the sheeple.

Re: Warning from a police officer #99787
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...it quickly becomes apparent that each citizen will be responsible for his own family’s safety and security during these perilous times.
How about being responsible for your own safety ALL the time? You know saying, 'When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away'.

Not too bad for being a cop's point of view though.


Just do what is right because it is what is right. I think it's that simple.
Re: Warning from a police officer #99788
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If police weren't enforcing unConsitutional laws which allow lowely civilians to defend themselves we would of shot most of the criminals dead by now. There would be almost no need for any peace officers, jails, courts, word twisters etc.

Because we don't have that, but a nanny state full of retarded sheep, when there is no police force it will certainly cause criminals to prosper.

I'll get that big TV I've always wanted then.



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Yes, well... that's all just great coming from this police officer, but I would be far more greatful and comfortable IF all police officers would get on the very same page with this attitude.
I imagine this article would also apply to most/all military personel also.

But as it is with nearly all police officers and many military, there are so many differing degrees of opinion,(even to the realm of Zealocy, to the other side of Total Complacency), that the public has no idea whom to trust beyond themselves and those 'proven trusted friends and allies', badge or military uniform, or not.

I mean, lets face it, the one true problem that plauges this Nation is that the population,(including any police, military, government, and civilian, etc), can't get on the same page with things to save anyone's life, let alone the whole of the country itself!

When Americans began to stop looking after their Fellow Americans, is exactly the time this Nation began it's downward spiral to total failure!

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When it comes down to it and any "Breakdown" in this Country gets bad enough... any and everyone is only going to have seconds to prove themselves in any AO I have any control over, or the "Question of Trust" will not be any question at all! Badge, Military Uniform, Militia uniform, Civilian Clothes, whatever/etc or not. If I don't know you, or I don't trust you, you very well may not live through the chance meeting.

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Ya'll don't wish to network... that would leave a dangerous "dog-eat-dog" existance after any harsh SHTF situation!

IMHO

Michael


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Re: Warning from a police officer #99790
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Man you hit the nail on the head with that one CM Wolf!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Warning from a police officer #99791
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I fully agree that we cannot depend on emergency services at any scale for the first critical days, or even weeks given a disaster of epic proportions.

It is in the best interest for each of us to be more involved within our local community.

I have pretty good neighbors who can be trained to maintain order. My neighbors don't know it yet, but when the need arises, I will assist them in keeping their houses in order, and in turn, each of them will be obligated in protecting the community at large.

Most sheople are still stuck in the current system of thought, but given the proper paradigm shift, they will become hungry, malleable students of survival.

Are you ready to train others?


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Re: Warning from a police officer #99792
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First, I mean no disrespect towards anyone here,period.
A couple things about us cops ( at least the "good ones") We (I) don't like where we are headed any more than the rest of you. Our Government scares me to death, Our leadership is questionable, and I think EVERYONE should be able to defend themselves effectively. I would much rather investigate the clean "two to the chest" of a would-be-burglar/rapist/molester, than I would a rape/robbery/murder of a decent human being.
That being said, there are many of "US" who are in total agreement with "YOU"....I say that in quotations because I want to stress that this is not an "US -vs- THEM" thing at all.
My main goals as a Police Officer are: #1 Make it home to my wife and family at the end of the night #2 Protect those that can't protect themselves to the best of my ability #3 Do something good for SOMEONE no matter how small.
Some may see me talking to a family as a counselor and say "He has no right to be talking to them" or "Where is his authority to talk to them in the Constitution" My answer to that is that it's my duty as a person to help those in need, and to use my experience to help people solve their own problems
I know I'm young and probably see the world through different eyes than many on here.....I hope that everyone here understands that I personally am not the enemy, though some of my "kind" may be...
Thanks for your time
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Re: Warning from a police officer #99793
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I would point out all this "thin blue line" stuff is propaganda. Its the "us versus them" & "brotherhood of the badge" crap that's makes me distrust LE. The first half of this seems to suggest that LEOs will stick together & screw the rest of us.

The article is more propaganda IMHO since it seems to suggest outright criminals are held in check by the existance of police. I been two jail its boring buts its "3 hots & a cot" most criminals are repeat offenders & are only more worried about getting an ass kicking then the revolving door prison system.

It seems if a LEO is talking about the "thin blue line" in Us Vs Them terms then we should worried about LEOs being a bigger threat then gangs (& possibly less predictable as they'd have no clear view or vision as a whole group). Also it points to that tribalist break down were "office" has replaced "race" & nationality.

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Just an individual opinion,

If a LE Officer truly feels as a few posted here say they do. Then, they must make the population in their area aware of how they feel. If they can not do this, for whatever reason, then it would be in their best interest to find another field of endeavor. For, when TSHTF anyone with a badge or uniform will more than likely find himself/herself a target for 90+% of the population.

It's not about "Us Vs Them", its about "Can I trust you with my Freedoms, my Rights, my life, the lives of my family, and my assets?". As a LE Officer you hold power over the average person. Can we trust you, in hard times, to exercise that power correctly? Would you turn on your bosses if they order you to exercise that power inappropriatly?

We can trust an individual officer that has shown his values in the past. One that has not, we can not trust. Thus, in a SHTF situation an officer, of unknown values, may find the lack of trust, from the public, very hazardous to his/her health.

Re: Warning from a police officer #99795
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patriotLeo,

Please join OathKeepers and get as many of your co-workers to join. That would be a great start.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/join/


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Code 3 I'm already there :-)
Old Timer: "Can we trust you, in hard times, to exercise that power correctly? Would you turn on your bosses if they order you to exercise that power inappropriatly?"
The answer to both of those questions is YES...
In a shtf scenario Law enforcement, as you know, will go to craps.....IF I were still able to make it to work , big IF, my main goal would be protecting you and yours from the looters/gang bangers and their likes (blue helmets?)..I would not ask anything of you in return. Would welcome any disciplined common sense person who wanted to help..
I'm the same as you... I want to raise my family, earn a living and be surrounded by like-minded, good people....

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I would like to add, if we have those from the LEO community who are as concerned as us about the direction being forced on us by a corrupt system, we should welcome them.

We know there are bad apples, but there are good one also. What purpose does it serve to alienate, when we should be open to all who want a government of the people, for the people.


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Thanks PatriotnMore (if you were directing that to me)

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Originally posted by PatriotLeo:
Code 3 I'm already there :-)
Old Timer: "Can we trust you, in hard times, to exercise that power correctly? Would you turn on your bosses if they order you to exercise that power inappropriatly?"
The answer to both of those questions is YES...
In a shtf scenario Law enforcement, as you know, will go to craps.....IF I were still able to make it to work , big IF, my main goal would be protecting you and yours from the looters/gang bangers and their likes (blue helmets?)..I would not ask anything of you in return. Would welcome any disciplined common sense person who wanted to help..
I'm the same as you... I want to raise my family, earn a living and be surrounded by like-minded, good people....
Well Patriot LEO allow me to first say that you have the right mindset & that's goes far. I'd like to add the LEO quoted in the origional post doesn't IMHO & I've stated why previously.

I will tell you I am extremely distrustful of all LEOs I utterly hate the profession; in part due to bad experiences with bad LEOs & in part due to my belief that everyone should takecare of themselves. I'm afraid that in all honesty I (& many others) will not trust a LEO I do not personally know simply because I don't trust the job.

Personally I think LEOs such as yourself will be more or less catching it from all sides. Which is truly a shame to behold anytime a bad LEO gets away with a crime & other LEOs don't speak up publically they at least appear to silently condone the crimes of their peers.

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thnx asher
feel the same way about catching from both sides....1st hand tonight....


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