Hope I am putting this in the right section, its a post I wrote in MMM , read and respond, please.
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Well, with the election past, we see that we are in the next 4 years of recession and the federal deficits health fraud and other extreme issues. Our one hope is in the gridlock of the Congress/Senate keeping things quiet. Landmass wise, Conservatives out way Liberals, which means there is a lot of territory out there that will may be supportive of the movement.

The question comes down to this: How do we take advantage of this loss?

There are a few things; more people will be waking up as the economy continues to tank. Employment will continue to fall, and businesses are gonna get tighter on budget. This will lend support to the movement as the people who may not be willing to participate in action, may be willing to support through other means.

As the gov't gets more broke, literally and fiscally, it also puts the average citizens into a position of being on the hardship side of things should situations like the Hurricane/Nor'easter occur in other areas, reference the 2007 flood in WA, and other similar cases in other areas. The failures of the support the average citizen is relying on may lead to recruiting opportunities.

However, two issues we must overcome are: 1) Impressions of the populace that the militia is bad, 2) The militia needs to merge two ideologies - militia trained and ready, and survivalist - prepped and sustainable.

The first is something we have been working on for years, and to an extent have had success in.

The second needs some major work. Some of us have all the gear we need, some of us are lacking in gear. Others of us have been unemployed or underemployed for long enough that its hard to complete our gear. Add to that a general idea that the militia operates on the idea that, "my gear, my stash, you failed to get yours together, no weight on me." Well, as I am not a communist, or socialist, I don't advocate that we should be doing the redistribution. What I do advocate is simple though, it does weigh on each of us as a whole how the entire movement is prepared.

Simple scenario, we get in firefight, use 2 mags each (40 to 60 rounds per person) and have a unit of 10 guys (literally a tiny team, but realistic in size). We used 400 to 600 rounds in the fight, now we need to resupply. Does each member have to travel to his stash to get more, or are we willing to part out our individual stash to get everyone loaded back up. with the understanding that next time it may be someone else's supply we are accessing to top off? Many members have the idea that "mine is mine, yours is yours", which does play well in group safety, effectiveness of efficiency. Instead of being operational in the time it takes to reload, we spend lots of time moving about to reload others.

This same thing can be said of food stocks, clothing, equipment, arms, etc. We can't supply a village each, but there are means that we can take, individual, family, local, unit, and regional, to address this. Some are pricey (large stockpiles), some are cheaper (small stockpiles), and others are more in tune with what will result in a catastrophic failure of the system (small community operations - farms, homemade clothing, reloading/learning how to make ammo/equipment.)

There are many things we will likely have to deal with in the future, none completely certain. How are we preparing for as many possibilities as we can?

Food for thought.

Folcwine,

One would assume the "mine/your" crap would go out the window in a real situation. Training its fine because it comes down to personal responsibility... Realisticly when the SHTF its not "mine or your" its "ours." Our mission, our goals and our asses on the line.

Now that said, I been working with a guy who teaches ninjutsu but he made something else out of it. Compbined his Army Infantry training & made something completely different... You can look at the Intelligence Manuals thread I posted.

I think a militia is going to have to fight a guerrilla war, an intelligence war & a psychological war. We can't beat the CIA/FBI/DHS on the intell networks but we can develop permanent LP/OPs, infilitrate organizations we consider the "enemy" like Communist and Leftist Organizations & we can develop a localized propaganda/counter-propaganda & intelligence network.

That means "safe houses" to get some hot chew, a good nights rest & bandaged up. That means "intell centers" were certain people (not actively connected to the Militia) act as LP/OPs, people to store medical supplies and help with patching people up. Intelligence is hugely important and a militia running about the woods and city streets trying not to be killed or captured won't have the luxury of being able to buy supplies, observe enemy movements and actions, listen to scanners and radios or befriend the enemy and get "insider information" once the shooting starts.

There is a story about a whore in WW2 who was hated by all the French because she would only service the Nazis, defended them 24/7 and even turned in a french resistance members; after WW2 the French lynched her for supporting the Nazis then later found out the Allies spy who was feeding intelligence to the guerrillas was her. Just think about it for a minute.

Need to plan on winning those firefights and resupply off the enemy, SEMPER FI

http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=27;t=000413

Thanks for the responses. D308, as I told another guy with a similar response, that requires two things to take place: 1) winning the engagement in such a manner that you can get to the fallen to loot them, and 2) having enough time between end of firefight and when the reinforcements arrive to grab enough gear. Its viable, but not a reliable source of supplies.

ConSig, thanks for the link, from what I got from glancing, its a step in the direction this post is about. I will read it in detail over the next couple days, and see if it deals with all that I am asking about.

Asher, thinking on the right path. I agree with what you say on all counts, we are not capable of a static warfare type conflict, we would loose to shear attrition. We won't have the backing of big money, big equipment, etc. Networks of support is about the best we can do.

Now, the most important question of the entire post was the first: How are we going to use the current political loss to our benefit? How are we going to find and get those that are awakening to join the cause? How are we going to wake others?

Pay particular attention to this one.

https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/organization-and-development-of-the-auxiliary/

I am not calling this election a "loss" by a long shot. It is exposing the betrayal, it is demonstrating the importance of the protest vote (if the protest vote had gone either way the election would have mattered), the winner "won" with less than 50% of the people who showed up to vote.

The speed with which Romney conceded the election also demonstrates the way he would have conceded other things as president. Weak willed and willing to compromise quickly instead of commit to conflict. We are definitely not talking Nixon qualities there. This guy was little more than a cardboard cutout of what some people thought a high level politician ought to look and sound like. Taking a substantive stand on much of anything? Eh, not him. Gingrich maybe, Buchannan definitely, Romney, nope. He was as wishy washy as they get. Study the polls do the political analysis come up with a position political formula stuff.

The role of the militias must be to define, establish and protect the enclaves and act as a demonstration of the superiority of original American values. Once the power of the militias falls to its own cronyism, then we are in trouble, because they could just as quickly become the "brown shirts" of another kind of dictatorship. Resistance operations may or may not even be connected to the militias, and militias may or may not act as auxilliaries to friendly government bodies, but realize that a constant challenge is over those groups getting hijacked by powers that are hostile to liberty.

I personally know of two groups in Oregon that got hijacked into doing spy work for Democrat aligned law enforcement and by extension, collaboration with the BATF against some resistance types who were smuggling weapons to good people in California. After years of none of those weapons turning up in crime scenes, the BATF took another direction and found other ways (with the assistance of the group that was made up mostly of military and law enforcement veterans) to take down some of the California leadership and their agents operating in Oregon. More recently I learned that one of the larger pro-gun organizations in Washington state is now openly collaborating with the BATF and elected an active state prosecutor to be either their head guy or one of their head guys. Then most of us know how Hollingsworth and his crews have jumped in bed with the FBI and were feeding so much information to the feds about ARM that even the feds started getting the strong impression that they were being fed false info and being used as tools by one militia group to take down another. We know that Hollingsworth and his people have reported against ARM leadership, but apparently never been invited to testify in court due to credibility issues.

This is a dicey situation even with local controls and enclaves because those can quickly degrade into fiefdoms without a universally promoted system of core values governing how the various enclaves are "accredited" within the free enclave system. You folks and I know damn well that we can look at that election map and see a whole lot of unfree areas that are in red, so part of this also involves developing our own maps of free areas, and all of those need to be very very realistic since lives are at stake.

IMHO we have one asset that can be readily exploited. That is media. Between, You Tube, Twitter, and E-mail there can be a united message put out. Organization is the key. We have to make those who were disenfranchised by the election feel that there WILL be a buffer between everyday life and the huge sucking sound that is the federal government.
I'm of the opinion that a large part of those who were disenfranchised are actively serving. What is the outreach program that the militia has for returning veterans that reminds them of their oath to support the Constitution and not some commie puppet? Where are the fliers, videos and contact numbers. Veterans are going to remember those who gave them a helping hand when uncle sugar kicked them to the curb. Thus I think the local VFW and American Legion posts would make some good bases of operations. No need to infiltrate. Since most of us are vets anyway, just join and attend meetings and help the members while underscoring just who's helping them and why. Media can also be used to generate donations. it may be a good time to concentrate on operations that help the American public to get some street cred.

Folcwine is right.

The militia can not successfully defend anything without an extensive supply and logistics support network.

Nor can the preppers survive for long without a strong defensive capability which most lack.

The two movements have got to pull their head out of their asses and learn to network and pool resources.

Like minded people who could help make this happen can be found here:

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/