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National I.D. Watch #150273
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Real ID = National ID Card = SLAVERY for ALL

Adolf Hitler would be so proud. Shortly after taking control of the German government he used the Reichstag fire as an excuse to pass the Enabling Act which granted him extraordinary powers to "defend the nation against terrorism". One of the first things he did was to create the Gestapo (State Police), required all citizens to have government issued "identity papers" and required all citizens to register their weapons. Later, of course, he began tatooing his own soldiers and then the "undesireables" like the Jews, dissidents, POW's etc. The rest is history

On Tuesday, May 10th, 2005, the US Senate voted on the implementation of a national ID card system without ever debating the issue. The Real ID Act is nothing less than a Real National ID Act. The only thing left to the individual states is which pretty picture they will choose to put on the card: everything else will be controlled by Washington DC bureaucrats.

What does this mean for America?

1. Dead Cops.

The Real ID Act requires that you give your permanent home address: no PO boxes; no exceptions. What about judges, police, and undercover cops? Oops!!! Hey Senators, let's endanger our police and judges!!!

2. Stolen Identities.

Our new IDs will have to make their data available through a "common machine-readable technology". That will make it easy for anybody in private industry to snap up the data on these IDs. Bars swiping licenses to collect personal data on customers will be just the tip of the iceberg as every convenience store learns to grab that data and sell it to Big Data for a nickel. It won't matter whether the states and federal government protect the data - it will be harvested by the private sector, which will keep it in a parallel database not subject even to the limited privacy rules in effect for the government.

3. Government Spying.

Real ID requires the states to link their databases together for the mutual sharing of data from these IDs. This is, in effect, a single seamless national database, available to all the states and to the federal government.

4. Papers, Please.

With Real ID, our nation will join the ranks of the old Soviet Union, Communist China, and Vietnam by issuing its citizens a national ID card. The Machine Readable Zone may come in the form of a 2-dimensional bar code - but the Department of Homeland Security, which will be crafting the regulations implementing Real ID, has made clear that it would prefer to see a remotely readable RFID chip. That would make private-sector access and systematic tracking even more easy and likely.

This national ID card will make observation of citizens easy but won't do much about terrorism. The fact is, identity-based security is not an effective way to stop terrorism. ID documents do not reveal anything about evil intent - and even if they did, determined terrorists will always be able to obtain fraudulent documents

5. Unsafe Roads.

Once upon a time, a driver's license was a license to drive a motor vehicle. Turning driver's licenses into national identity cards will actually make our roads more dangerous: by barring illegal immigrants from getting a driver's license, Real ID means more illegal immigrants will now drive without any training or certification. Your insurance company is certain to be understanding.

What's wrong with the Senate?

The Real ID Act has never been debated on the US Senate floor. They've never talked about it in any committee. Heck, most of them haven't even read it!

In order to make a single irresponsible Congressman, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, with totalitarian leanings happy, the Senate leadership let him write the bill and then slipped it into a another bill, one that would keep our fighting men and women taken care of in Iraq and Afghanistan. Supporting our troops means making sure they come home to a free nation, not a surveillance state.

The federal law in question is the Real ID Act that was attached to a military spending and tsunami relief bill in 2005. Because most politicians are cowards, the measure flew through the U.S. Senate by a 100-0 vote and made its way through the House 368 votes to 58.

Unless states issue new, electronically readable ID cards that adhere to federal standards, the law says, Americans will need a passport to do everyday things like travel on an airplane, open a bank account, sign up for Social Security or enter a federal building.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is currently devising regulations for these federalized ID cards. One possibility is that the "electronically readable" requirement will be satisfied by embedding a radio frequency identification (RFID) chip. (They'll already be appearing in U.S. passports starting in October.)

The National Governors Association, hardly a bunch of libertarians, has called the Real ID Act "unworkable and counterproductive." The National Conference of State Legislatures wrote to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in October, asking him to defer to states' expertise.

No doubt much of the political outcry is over money and would evaporate if the Feds wrote checks to cover the cost of upgrading state computer systems. (The governors' press release baldly admits they're "asking Congress to fund the changes required" by the Real ID Act. One taxpayer watchdog group puts the cost at $90 per Real ID card.)

That would be a shame. Privacy and autonomy are even better reasons to be skeptical of this scheme.

There are no rules governing what data that private companies (hotels, retailers, employers) will be able to extract from the Real ID when it's swiped or placed next to an RFID reader. Will information like a home address and Social Security number be disclosed? Will a federal database be alerted whenever the card is swiped or read? And can an RFID'ed license be read from 20 or 30 feet away?

"Having a national ID would promote a surveillance society that we should all dread," Jim Harper, the director of information policy studies at the free-market Cato Institute, told the state Senate committee last week.

The sad thing is that the U.S. Constitution was written to prohibit the federal government from taking such drastic steps. The long-forgotten Tenth Amendment says that powers not explicitly delegated to the Feds "are reserved to the states" or to the people.

It will cost billions, it will hassle every ordinary person (you’ll have to produce original birth certificates and such to the DMV again — and any paper that’s out of order will mean endless harassment), and the basic premise is wrong in two ways. One, the federal government can’t tell us citizens that we’re not permitted to travel, or go to court, without its permission; those are RIGHTS, not privileges. Second, the federal government doesn’t have the authority to demand that the states revise their IDs; that’s a state power. The reason the federal government doesn’t have either of these powers is to guard against totalitarian rule from Washington.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name...and his number is Six hundred & sixty-six. (Rev.13:15-18)

Rev.14:9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.



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National ID Card Scheme To Be Run By Big Data

WASHINGTON, DC (11 January 2007). The Department of Homeland Security plans to outsource REAL ID implementation to third-party data aggregators, according to official DHS documents.

The Department of Homeland Security has finished their proposed regulations for implementing the Real ID Act and has sent them to the Office of Management and Budget for approval. The publication of DHS's REAL ID regulations will follow shortly. The compliance guidelines are almost one year overdue.

According to a still-secret several hundred-page dossier sent last week by DHS to the Office of Management and Budget, DHS considered three ways to implement the REAL ID Act:

* Plan A: Order the individual states to find a way of communicating data to one another. This idea was given short shrift by DHS, who dismissed it out of hand.
* Plan B: Have DHS build a centralized database for the states to query before issuing REAL ID-compliant drivers licenses. This idea was also rejected.
* Plan C: Have a private data aggregator act as the central database. This is the plan advocated by DHS. The plan calls for the outsourcing of all drivers license and ID card checks to a private corporation, who would then charge the states for each check performed. DHS head Michael Chertoff personally ordered this option to be chosen, according to a senior administration source.

What does this all mean? Quite simply, this is the outsourcing of our Constitutional rights. It means that all privacy protections on our drivers licence data will be removed once the DMV sends your data to the private corporation.

If it's possible to create a scheme worse than a national ID card, this is it: a privatized National ID card. The citizens of every state will not only be at the mercy of a company like ChoicePoint or Acxiom to 'approve' their identity, but will have no privacy protections whatsoever on that data. Your sensitive drivers license data can be bought and sold along with everything else these companies sell, such as your credit information. The federal government can then gain access to this information without having to comply with any laws, such as the Privacy Act.

DHS is granting the right to control our identity to private industry. It will be Identity-Mart, Inc.: Always Low Privacy, Always.™ Congress needs to take immediate action to stop this travesty.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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FAQ: How Real ID will affect you

In 2008, a federally approved ID card may be required to travel, open a bank account, even collect Social Security.

President Bush signed a $82 billion military spending bill that will, in part, create electronically readable, federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes the Real ID Act.

What does that mean for me?
Starting in May 2008, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

What's new:
The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically readable ID cards for Americans.

Bottom line:
The Real ID Act establishes a national identity card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents will have to meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland Security.

The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

How will I get one of these new ID cards?
You'll still get one through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will take the place of your drivers' license. The identification process will be rigorous.

You'll need to bring a "photo identity document," document your birth date and address, and show that your Social Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid visa.

State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration.

What's going to be stored on this ID card?
At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for sure what these additional requirements will be.

Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military spending bill?

Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft, troop housing, death benefits, and so on.

The House approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in February 05, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161.

What's the justification for this legislation anyway?
Its supporters say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last year.

It will "hamper the ability of terrorist and criminal aliens to move freely throughout our society by requiring that all states require proof of lawful presence in the U.S. for their drivers' licenses to be accepted as identification for federal purposes such as boarding a commercial airplane, entering a federal building, or a nuclear power plant," Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, said.

You said the ID card will be electronically readable. What does that mean?
The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio frequency identification (RFID) chips.

Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of RFID chips. The State Department is already going to be embedding RFID devices in passports, and Homeland Security wants to issue RFID-outfitted IDs to foreign visitors who enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

Will state DMVs share this information?
Yes. In exchange for federal cash, states must agree to link up their databases. Specifically, the Real ID Act says it hopes to "provide electronic access by a state to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other states."

Is this legislation a done deal?
Pretty much. The House of Representatives approved the package by a vote of 368-58. Only three of the "nay" votes were Republicans; the rest were Democrats. The Senate approveed it as well.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan has told reporters "the president supports" the stand alone Real ID Act, and the Bush administration has come out with an official endorsement. As far back as July 2002, the Bush administration has been talking about assisting

"the states in crafting solutions to curtail the future abuse of drivers' licenses by terrorist organizations."

Who were the three Republicans who voted against it?
Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.

Paul has warned that the Real ID Act "establishes a national ID card" and "gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit."

Is this a national ID card?
Yes. Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's technology and liberty program, says: "It's going to result in everyone, from the 7-Eleven store to the bank and airlines, demanding to see the ID card. They're going to scan it in. They're going to have all the data on it from the front of the card...It's going to be not just a national ID card but a national database."

At the moment, state driver's licenses aren't easy for bars, banks, airlines and so on to swipe through card readers because they're not uniform; some may have barcodes but no magnetic stripes, for instance, and some may lack both. Steinhardt predicts the federalized IDs will be a gold mine for government agencies and marketers. Also, he notes that the Supreme Court ruled last year that police can demand to see ID from law-abiding U.S. citizens.

Will it be challenged in court?
Maybe. "We're exploring whether there are any litigation possibilities here," says the ACLU's Steinhardt.

One possible legal argument would challenge any requirement for a photograph on the ID card as a violation of religious freedom. A second would argue that the legislation imposes costs on states without properly reimbursing them.

When does it take effect?
The Real ID Act takes effect "three years after the date of the enactment" of the legislation. Its effective date is May 11, 2008.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Patriot Act and the Real ID: Farewell To Liberty
Nancy Levant

It should be very clear to American citizens that we have no rights. We have rules, laws, curtailments, spy technologies, enforcements, easements, buffer zones, ID cards, automobile stickers, passes, swipe cards, and limitations.

Beginning in 2008, we will also have Real Identification Cards – maybe. That will depend upon our ability to produce birth certificates, Social Security cards with current names, photo IDs, verifications of home addresses, a personal IDs, and proof of insurance. Once all this is confirmed by the Department of Motor Vehicles using a crosschecking federal database, you “may” be issued a driver’s license.

If you have recently changed your name, moved, or the federal database has old or inaccurate information, much like the infamous credit bureaus and their databases, you will not be issued your Real ID. Be prepared, and well in advance, for another governmentally imposed disaster of unprecedented proportions. Also be prepared for total loss of liberty and rights.

The Real ID Act, passed on May 11th, was passed without Congressional debate. Surprise, surprise. Instead, the Real ID was buried, hidden legislation-style, into an 82 billion dollar military spending bill to support the continuing occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Hidden legislation has certainly become the MO of this administration, coupled with at least 181 Executive Orders, to date.

Surveillance and tracking of the American people is, of course, anti-American. It is illegally invasive, scary, and makes citizens and their Constitutional rights (which do not exist) mere objects of political whim. The real question is this – what if you are denied a Real ID card? What constitutes the denial of a Real ID, and what are your options should our new government deny you the ability to drive to work and possess your federally mandated papers? Were the Social Security cards, driver’s licenses, proof of insurance, proof of residency, birth certificates, and personal ID cards not enough? Of course, they were. The Real ID has nothing to do with a standardized identification system. That system was already in place. The Real ID was created as spy-ware and to serve the trade and territorial melding of the Canadian/American/Mexican nations - nothing more, nothing less.

And then there is the Patriot Act – the Act that is the insult and slap in the face to every American citizen by virtue of its very name. It is the companion Act to the Real ID Act, and the final nail in our civil liberties’ coffin. Good-bye, Constitutional America.

The Patriot Act, which should be called The Communists’ Act, gives our government the power to search without warrants or court orders. It gives our government the right to use “administrative subpoenas,” which allow for the seizure of personal information, including, but not limited to, educational records, medical records, credit and banking records, Internet records, library records, on and on. Farewell, 4th Amendment.

This seizure of information can be used upon individual people, groups of people, or any associations, clubs, or organizations that disagree with the activities of the government. The Patriot Act allows for a DNA Bank to collect physical information about anyone who is “suspected” of being a “terrorist.” Unfortunately for us, the Act also permits American citizens to be classified as “foreign powers,” which, thanks to the Real ID, allows for our electronic tracking and surveillance.

The Patriot Act permits entry into homes and offices without warrants, probable cause, notice, and without you having to be in your homes or offices. It authorized the freezing of your bank accounts and the total demise of financial privacy. The Patriot Act permits the use of “roving wiretaps,” or the tapping of multiple phones at one time used by one person (home, cell, business), AND the “elected” supporters of the Patriot Act attempt to further its powers in secret, closed-door sessions.

So, I ask you the following - while I still can - if our homes, businesses, computer systems, banks, medical records; our library books, our DNA, our telephone conversations, our right to criticize our government’s shredding of our Constitution, our children’s rights to mental and educational safety, pregnant women’s rights to mental safety and reproduction; our rights to travel, our rights to buy and sell without governmental ID and interference, and our rights to possess and share our thoughts and opinions are now subversive and considered as terror, then what rights do we have as American citizens? Better yet, are we American citizens if our Constitutional rights do not exist? Look to history for answers, and look no further than to Nazi Germany. Talk about a scripted duplication of events…

"While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no State." - Vladimir Lenin

"To those who scare peace loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. - John Ashcroft “There ought to be limits to freedom.” George W. Bush - May 1999

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler


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The Real ID Card -- Impeccable Timing
Nancy Levant

At large, the American people are still unaware of the issuance of the Real ID card forthcoming in May of 2008. This new national/international ID card, and its interactivity with national/international databases, can access our medical, financial, driving, Social Security, license(s), firearms registrations, and political status inside its high tech/little nano brain. In essence, it holds our private lives on a swipe-able card that is then privy to any organization, retailer, or person requesting our identification or our money. In other words, our life histories accessible upon command from one 2X3 inch card.

Having no choice but to comply, most American people will accept their new national/international ID card. It is my understanding that without the card, we will be denied bank accounts in the United States of America, a driver’s license, and the right to fly on airplanes unless we have been issued a Real ID card. One might imagine that global retailers might require the Real ID to purchase food and gasoline. Take a look at your current driver’s license. Check the expiration date. 2008 would be a good global guess.

For those of us who have seen United Nations military vehicles in the United States, and who have also noticed convoys of military tanks being transported through the wilderness areas of our nation – the same areas that have been locked down and away from the American people via Biosphere Reserves and conservation corridors - we have realized for a great many years that, as one patriot stated, the “stage was being set” for difficult times on American soil – the key issue that mass media ignores at its professional finest. So, with stages being set, one must also look to the timing of the Real ID card, and to 2008 in general. Let us not forget all the other paramilitary systems in our nation, like the Department of Homeland Security, FEMA, Citizens Corp groups, Neighborhood Watch groups, C.O.P.S. (Community Oriented Policing Services), the militarizing of law enforcement departments, and the many new for-hire corporations that offer private armies with weapons for a price. And then, of course, there are the U.N. peacekeeping forces, which the American military has been actively involved with for many, many decades while, simultaneously and incrementally, our “leaders” have been closing our homeland military bases during these same decades.

The professional timing of the Real ID card in 2008, and its mandatory issuance, brings to mind several forthcoming coincidences and issues. The collecting and databasing of all personal information of every American adult – coinciding with the CFR’s North American Community – and all global government infrastructures in place and play, one must consider the following:

How are “domestic terrorists” determined and identified?

Who will be held in the Civilian Labor Camps on American soil?

What is the real issue behind the “identity theft” propaganda?

Why are the off-limits American wilderness areas crawling with secret military operations?

And why the mandatory issuance of an ID card that sums up every American citizen with one swipe? One cannot help but to almost laugh when it comes to considering how directly global intentions rest beneath our noses. So easy to see, yet so blindly the public goes about its merry and dull way. On that note, the Real ID card will ultimately seal your fate. You will be a compliant and completely identifiable slave to the New World Order, or you will be its enemy – and your Real ID will determine which global creature you shall be. Therefore, America, let us not in-fight. The fact of our demise as free people exists no matter whose research is right or wrong. The stage is, in fact, being set for our nation’s conquering. The Democrats and Republicans have seen to this fact and have worked steadfastly to raise their one-world government. They knew from the beginning that people with property, firearms, and rights were their primary problems, or in other words, the people of the United States of America and other westernized nations. Our “leadership” is not what they seem.

The public acceptance of the Real ID in May of 2008 seals the deal. It will be more than interesting to see which of our friends, neighbors, and family members will willingly sign onto their fate as new “citizens” of the global police state. Just keep telling yourselves that you voted them into office. So did I. As such, we have a lot of soul searching to do and very, very little time – about 21 months. Are we going to continue to allow our “representatives” to march off with this nation and our Constitutional freedom, or are we going to unite and reclaim OUR nation? Ignorance is never bliss. It is abject slavery, and this time, the enslavement is backed by a system far greater than concepts or perceived notions of freedom.

It’s past time to do more than wave flags, wear patriotic tee shirts, hats, and pins. It’s time to serve through action and duty to this nation. Start an A.C.E. (Americans for Constitutional Enforcement) chapter in your neighborhood NOW. Request an information packet (contactus@a4ce.org) and create your local chapter. It’s YOUR job and Constitutional duty to save our nation and to preserve freedom. We have been betrayed. For the sake of your children, open your eyes and act. The only potential answer is to UNITE for freedom and to command that freedom with one voice. Then, as a nation UNITED in knowledge, we can rid ourselves of our “representative” globalists. Now, please stop the bickering and bitching, especially of the partisanship flavor, and get to WORK. Global government is non-partisan minus the master-slave divide.

You may also request a mailed copy of the A.C.E. Information Packet by sending $10.00 to A.C.E., P.O. Box 293, Iron Mountain, MI 49801.

© 2006 Nancy Levant - All Rights Reserved

Nancy Levant is a life-long writer, a believer of God, country, Constitutional and individual rights. She resides in rural Southwestern Ohio. She has worked professionally with children since 1974 and is an ardent supporter of home schooling.

Nancy Levant has done radio and television interviews, has been a guest speaker in many venues including college campuses, schools, Indian reservations, human service organizations, and has been the president of a youth sports organization.

Ms. Levant just completed her new book "The Cultural Devastation of American Women: The Strange and Frightening Decline of the American Female." to be released May 2006. Equally, she is a writer for freedom and land rights issues and opposes the United Nation's Agenda 21 implementation in America.

E-Mail: nlevant@juno.com


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Join the Real ID rebellion

Things are looking more-and-more likely for repeal of the REAL ID Act. The Maine legislature got the ball rolling, and now as many as 34 others states are threatening to pile on.

It’s important to note that the resolution of the Maine legislature was limited. They informed the federal government that they weren’t going to embed RFID chips in their state driver’s licenses. But Maine may go even further before all is said-and-done, because many other states are contemplating more vigorous opposition.

For instance, a committee of the Arizona Senate just voted unanimously to prohibit that state from complying with the REAL ID Act. And Missouri State Rep. James Guest, a Republican, has formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to file bills that oppose Real ID.

Now is the time to turn-up the heat on Congress to repeal the REAL ID ACT.

Here’s where this issue hits you the hardest: If you do not have a REAL ID compliant state driver’s license, you will not be able to even enter a federal building, or board an airplane! And privacy experts contend that REAL ID will make identity theft easier, rather than more difficult.

Please add fuel to the fire: Tell Congress to repeal the REAL ID Act.

Pressure on Congress can work. It IS working. Send your message to Congress now.

Thank you for being a DC Downsizer.

Jim Babka, President

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Be part of the Electronic Lobbyist project at www.DownsizeDC.org

Encourage those who do not have access to the Internet to contact state legislators by letter, FAX or phone. Though it is for different reasons, patriots and state leaders are opposed to Real ID: The state is opposed because the project is an unfunded administrative nightmare and we oppose the idea because it’s the national ID we have all been fighting and because its justification has come through the recommendations of the fraudulent 9/11 Commission.


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"REAL ID" - REAL REBELLION BREWING

By Steven Yates
February 18, 2007
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Last month, Maine became the first state to pass legislation declining participation in the national ID system mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005. State-level legislation either repudiating Real ID, asking Congress to repeal its worst privacy-violating provisions, or asking for a delay while states study the issue, exists in various stages (sometimes passed by one House but not the other), or is being considered, in other states: as of this writing, the list consists of Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont, Washington State, and Wyoming. In other words, a state-led rebellion against Real ID is brewing. Let’s review the relevant history.

The Real ID Act of 2005 was passed by Congress not on its own (nonexistent) merits but folded into the larger Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsumani Relief, 2005 (PL 109-13) as its Division B. This bill, which included appropriations for the Iraq War, was considered must-pass by Congress and signed into law by President Bush on May 11, 2005. This means that the Real ID Act was passed as the equivalent of a stealth measure—the sort of thing author Claire Wolfe called land-mine legislation in a classical article. The Real ID Act does not just federalize our driver’s licenses but hand them over to the Department of Homeland Security. It calls for the creation of mammoth databases of information on law-abiding U.S. citizens. It places state Departments of Motor Vehicles (DMVs) in the position of having to become domestic spies—and it does so without any thought to the resources required, much less the dangers (e.g., of identity theft). It was signed into law despite the opposition of dozens of groups all across the political spectrum.

An impact analysis released last September by the National Governors Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators is devastating. These groups show that efforts to implement Real ID will create a massively expensive logistic and bureaucratic nightmare. State DMVs have neither the technology nor the manpower to implement this gigantic unfunded federal mandate—nor the legal means to compel compliance from those they must contact to secure verification of documents. The cost to my state (personal correspondence from the executive director of South Carolina DMV) could range from $25 to $28 million, with recurring costs in the $10 million to $11 million range. The study just cited estimates the total cost of implementing Real ID at over $11 billion over a five year period, with upfront costs of around $1 billion! The costs to individual U.S. citizens attempting to obtain or renew a driver’s license? Unknown, although I have one estimate at $100!

This analysis overlooks a crucial point: the Real ID Act is unconstitutional! The Constitution does not give any branch or any agency of the federal government this kind of power! It should come as no surprise, however, if no one associated with this thing has read our country’s founding document. Thus, as matters currently stand, unconstitutional or not, Real ID goes into effect on May 11, 2008. When it goes into effect, here is what we are looking at: without a Department of Homeland Security approved conversion of one’s driver’s license or other personal ID into the Real ID, law-abiding U.S. citizens will not be able to board an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security, obtain a passport, enter federal buildings or otherwise do business with the federal government or other commercial endeavors requiring federally-mandated standards of personal identification.

Those of us who have been following these matters for close to ten years saw this coming. There was, after all, a stealth effort to give every American a national ID card during the Clinton years. That law, also a stealth measure buried deep inside an omnibus appropriations bill, would have gone into effect in October 2000. It was thwarted. The post-9/11 era has given us a political climate more amenable to setting up a surveillance state. The official line on Real ID, originating with one interpretation of 9/11 Commission recommendations, is that it will hamper illegal immigration and protect us from terrorism. Obviously, though, if the federal government was serious about either, they would start enforcing existing immigration laws, cease imprisoning border patrol agents for doing their jobs, and secure our border with Mexico. But of course, Real ID is not about immigration, it is not about border control, and it is not about terrorism. It is about tagging and monitoring U.S. citizens.

The elites behind this boondoggle may have bitten off more than they can chew. I recently obtained a document entitled “Administrative Burdens on the States Imposed by the Real ID Act.” It states that “Real ID changes the very nature and mission of DMVs, from responsible primarily for ensuring the safe operation of vehicles on state roadways, into wide-ranging enforcement agents of the federal government in areas from rules to Social Security fraud.” The document goes on to enumerate the requirements of the Real ID Act, along with the problems.

One of the worst of these stems from the requirement that states “shall verify, with the issuing agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each document required to be presented” to get the Real ID. The required documents include an existing photo ID, proof of date of birth, proof of Social Security number, proof of address, and proof of citizenship or lawful immigration status.

Take just the birth certificate requirement. Just presenting one’s birth certificate is not good enough, since birth certificates can be forged. There are five problems. (1) DMVs will need to contact the municipality that issued the license and ask them to confirm that they have a birth certificate on file. Over 6.000 different jurisdictions issue birth certificates. (2) Many of these files do not exist in electronic form. Therefore, a clerk will have to locate the physical document in paper files stretching back decades. (3) Birth certificates are not standardized; thus the DMV clerk and the jurisdiction clerk will have to compare copies to verify the “issuance, validity and completeness” of the original. The potential for bureaucratic snafus is enormous. Some might be as seemingly minor as a discrepancy in the spelling of someone’s name due to a typo by a careless clerk. (4) The DMV clerk will then have to certify completion of the verification process. In order to complete the conversion from the present system to Real ID this will have to be done for approximately 190 million driver’s license holders in the United States.

Finally, (5) there will be people for whom birth information cannot be located, much less verified. Over decades of time, records are misplaced, lost, accidentally destroyed, or rendered unobtainable when facilities close. Even electronic records are damaged or destroyed when hard drives crash and files are not properly backed up. And believe it or not, there are people who do not have birth certificates—especially the thousands of now-elderly people who were not born in hospitals.

Take the case of James Scott, 81, born at home in South Carolina but now living in New Jersey. Last year New Jersey began implementing a “six point” ID verification program to begin complying with the Real ID Act. Scott brought his Social Security card and a photo-ID issued by the Passaic County Sheriff’s Department, but these didn’t satisfy the new requirements. He was told he needed either a recent passport or a birth certificate. He had neither. Thus his effort to renew his New Jersey driver’s license was thwarted. Other family members relied on him for transportation, so New Jersey’s refusal to renew his license caused them unnecessary hardship. Scott, a Navy veteran of World War II, told local media, “I served this country. The president didn’t want my birth certificate when he sent his letter drafting me…. I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist.” He quit driving when his license expired. His daughter is attempting to cobble together South Carolina records. Complicating matters is that South Carolina is reviewing records for 27 James Scotts!

There are no provisions in the Real ID Act for such people. States such as New Jersey have attempted to set up “exceptions” clauses for the James Scotts of the country—setting up a two-tiered society: those who are Real ID compliant versus those who are not. The former, of course, will have many opportunities unavailable to the latter.

Birth certificates are just one problem area. Others include: the requirement that states set up extensive electronic databases with interstate data-sharing networks. These will require complex administrative, technical and security measures. DMVs will have to expand into massive bureaucracies. In addition to the higher fees mentioned above, those attempting to obtain or renew their driver’s licenses will face longer lines, poorer service, and greater time-expenditures often through return trips after locating (if they are able to do so) records capable of meeting the new requirements. Ironically, we will probably be less secure. Identity thieves have been caught hacking into DMV databases, and more than one DMV clerk has been implicated in identity theft. Thousands of hastily-trained clerks doubtless to be paid rock-bottom wages risk magnifying this problem! Can anyone in his right mind believe this system can be made secure?!

The situation is even worse! Real ID presents the potential for what may be called a public-private “security-industrial complex,” as information on citizens in these databases is sold to private entities. In recent years we have seen the emergence of private sector data aggregators with names like ChoicePoint, Acxiom, and Lexis-Nexis. Collecting electronic data is now a multi-billion-dollar industry that builds dossiers on individuals using a variety of sources. The federal government is increasingly turning to such companies for help with security functions. The FBI, for example, pays millions to ChoicePoint, and the Transportation Security Administration wants to use such firms in performing identity checks on airline passengers. The risks of identity theft through data theft just get larger.

Finally, there is the real possibility that radio frequency identification (RFID) chips will be placed in Real ID compliant cards—eventually if not right away. The Real ID Act speaks only of requiring “a common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements,” leaving unspecified what Homeland Security will require. Well-connected corporations such as VeriChip®, which manufactures RFID chips, are ready to move. RFID chips in consumer merchandize can be made more efficient than cash, checks or credit cards as the merchandize changes hands. Real ID is thus a potential stepping stone to a cashless society where every legal transaction is conducted electronically—and recorded. It is also a stepping stone to a state of affairs where government spooks can monitor your every activity. They need only scan your ID by remote as you walk or drive within range of their equipment. The final step, of course, will be implanting RFID chips in human beings—marking us all like cattle. (This is already being done to farm animals through the National Animal Identification System.) Dissent will be far easier to control. Become identified as a potential threat, and the authorities may elect simply to disable your chip by remote. The dissident will be rendered unable to buy his next meal.

Is there hope of derailing this train before it gets that far? Writing the above paragraph, I had a wicked thought, one which brings to mind the several people who emailed me regarding my article promoting Ron Paul’s candidacy for the Republican nomination in 2008. A few readers wondered what Dr. Paul’s chances could really be. It is true that our “big box” political parties are controlled by globalist oligarchs who don’t want a genuine Constitutionalist anywhere near the White House! One astute reader pointed out that I’d stated this myself in The Real Matrix: “ … elected officials in national elites answer to [the super-elite]. Those without the tacit approval of the super-elite have no chance of coming within a thousand miles of the Oval Office. The masses of people, meanwhile, will have been ‘educated’ to adjust to society, which in this context means following the crowd and automatically withholding support from anyone who ‘can’t get elected.’”

Is this still true, or could circumstances change? The wicked thought: allow Real ID to run its course. Beginning on May 11, 2008, and over the course of the year and ensuing years, it will smack millions of presently unsuspecting people right in the kisser. They will find themselves treated like second-class citizens or even criminals by bored and indifferent clerks if they cannot produce the required papers on demand. Variations on the James Scott scenario may well be repeated all across the country. Some, of course, will buy the official propaganda about government “making us all safer.” Others will become very upset at long lines, repeat trips, and red tape. DMVs may have to take measures to deal with angry citizens, such as increased police presence. Some drivers may allow themselves to be temporarily sidelined while they struggle to locate pieces of paper they haven’t needed for years. Even those who have all their papers will gasp at the expense. Some will probably will take their chances and drive illegally, with expired licenses. One of the side effects of Real ID may well be an epidemic of unlicensed drivers. Ordinary people, after all, rely on their cars to get to work, obtain groceries and do the other things that make up a normal American life today. They will not willingly give this up to satisfy politicians and bureaucrats. Real ID will thus further erode respect for the law.

Faced with the direct and immediate threat of not being able to drive legally, more and more people will laugh at pseudo-pundits who try to dismiss concerns about Real ID as “conspiracy theory” or some other such tripe. They may or may not realize that we are now in more danger from our own government (and its controlling oligarchs) than we are from terrorists. Mounting frustration and anger among those having trouble renewing their driver’s licenses in 2008 could be channeled into grassroots support for a candidate for the Presidency who, given the chance, will put the brakes on our fast track to a surveillance police state. Dr. Paul is the obvious choice, and Tom Tancredo who already enjoys some visibility from his stand on illegal immigration would make an excellent running mate. Tancredo, as most readers probably know, has launched his own exploratory committee. The two, whose views are not identical, should figure out a way to work together, and draw their supporters into a single, unified movement.

The rise to prominence of a team promising a swift and Constitutional resolution to the potential Real ID train wreck and to larger issues involving the future of U.S. sovereignty could make 2008 a very interesting year, to say the least. Reflecting the concerns of a couple of other readers, I do hope that if Dr. Paul pursues his candidacy he hires some good bodyguards and surveillance people of his own—history shows pretty clearly that our ruling banking oligarchs place little value on the lives of those opposing their goals of world domination. They are not the only ones willing to threaten someone wanting to end our federal government’s present policy of open borders. Tancredo canceled a Florida appearance a few weeks ago because of a death threat. Matters could come to a head in this society in 2008. Will we continue our headlong rush towards corporatist enslavement, or begin the journey back to individual freedom under Constitutional government?

The rebellion against Real ID has started at the state level, and I consider this good news! Realization is dawning within the states that Real ID isn’t going to work under present conditions. Thus last week, Maine took the leap, and may become the test case plunging the whole national ID scheme into crisis. Above I listed other states considering legislation sometimes repudiating and sometimes calling for delaying implementing Real ID. We need repudiation in all 50 states. If every state in the Union declines to participate in this scheme and remains steadfast despite likely federal attempts at bribery, Real ID is finished. The feds will have to back down. No one really thinks they will allow the airlines to go under, for example, when citizens can no longer pass its draconian security measures. As the saying goes, good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Steven Yates earned his Ph.D. in Philosophy in 1987 at the University of Georgia and has taught the subject at a number of colleges and universities around the Southeast. He currently teaches philosophy at the University of South Carolina Upstate and Greenville Technical College, and also does a little e-commerce involving real free trade. He is on the South Carolina Board of The Citizens Committee to Stop the FTAA.

He is the author of Civil Wrongs: What Went Wrong With Affirmative Action (1994), Worldviews: Christian Theism Versus Modern Materialism (2005), around two dozen philosophical articles and reviews in refereed journals and anthologies, and over a hundred articles on the World Wide Web. He lives in Greenville, South Carolina, where he writes a weekly column for the Times Examiner and is at work on a book length version of his popular series to be entitled The Real Matrix (hopefully!) to be completed this summer.

E-Mail: freeyourmindinsc@yahoo.com.


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History of National Identification Cards

National ID cards have long been advocated as a means to enhance national security, unmask potential terrorists, and guard against illegal immigrants. They are in use in many countries around the world including most European countries, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand. Currently, the United States and the United Kingdom have continued to debate the merits of adopting national ID cards. The types of card, their functions, and privacy safeguards vary widely.

Americans have rejected the idea of a national ID card. When the Social Security Number (SSN) was created in 1936, it was meant to be used only as an account number associated with the administration of the Social Security system. Though use of the SSN has expanded considerably, it is not a universal identifier and efforts to make it one have been consistently rejected. In 1971, the Social Security Administration task force on the SSN rejected the extension of the Social Security Number to the status of an ID card. In 1973, the Health, Education and Welfare Secretary's Advisory Committee on Automated Personal Data Systems concluded that a national identifier was not desirable. In 1976, the Federal Advisory Committee on False Identification rejected the idea of an identifier.

In 1977, the Carter Administration reiterated that the SSN was not to become an identifier, and in 1981 the Reagan Administration stated that it was "explicitly opposed" to the creation of a national ID card. The Clinton administration advocated a “Health Security Card” in 1993 and assured the public that the card, issued to every American, would have “full protection for privacy and confidentiality.” Still, the idea was rejected and the health security card was never created. In 1999 Congress repealed a controversial provision in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 which gave authorization to include Social Security Numbers on driver's licenses.

In response to the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001, there has been renewed interest in the creation of national ID cards. Soon after the attacks, Larry Ellison, head of California-based software company Oracle Corporation, called for the development of a national identification system and offered to donate the technology to make this possible. He proposed ID cards with embedded digitized thumbprints and photographs of all legal residents in the U.S. There was much public debate about the issue, and Congressional hearings were held. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich testified that he "would not institute a national ID card because you do get into civil liberties issues." When it created the Department of Homeland Security, Congress made clear in the enabling legislation that the agency could not create a national ID system. In September 2004, then-DHS Secretary Tom Ridge reiterated, "[t]he legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was very specific on the question of a national ID card. They said there will be no national ID card."

The public continues to debate the issue, and there have been many other proposals for the creation of a national identification system, some through the standardization of state driver's licenses. The debate remains in the international spotlight – several nations are considering implementing such systems. The U.S. Congress has passed the REAL ID Act of 2005, which mandates federal requirements for driver's licenses. Critics argue that it would make driver's licenses into de facto national IDs.
The REAL ID Act of 2005

Summary

The REAL ID Act of 2005 creates a de facto national identification card. Ostensibly voluntary, it would become mandatory as those without the card would face suspicion and increased scrutiny. It is a law imposing federal technological standards and verification procedures on state driver's licenses and identification cards, many of which are beyond the current capacity of the federal government, and mandating state compliance by May 2008. In fact, REAL ID turns state DMV workers into federal immigration officials, as they must verify the citizenship status of all those who want a REAL ID-approved state driver's license or identification cards. State DMVs would far move away from their core mission -- to license drivers.

REAL ID was appended to a bill providing tsunami relief and military appropriations, and passed with little debate and no hearings. The REAL ID Act repealed provisions in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which contained "carefully crafted language -- bipartisan language -- to establish standards for States issuing driver's licenses," according to Sen. Richard Durbin. After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations for state compliance on March 1, 2007.

The National Conference of State Legislatures estimates (pdf) that that the cost to the states will be more than $11 billion over five years. This is more than 100 times the $100 million cost that Congress initially estimated. For 2006, $40 million was allocated for start-up costs. No more funding has been allocated, and it is likely that the cost will be shouldered by the public.

How will the REAL ID Act affect state driver's licenses and identification cards (DL/ID)?

If the Department of Homeland Security Secretary doesn't grant a state an extension to meet the certification requirements, then by May 11, 2008 (three years after passage of the REAL ID Act), states must meet the following standards to be accepted for federal use (entrance into a courthouse, onto a plane; receiving federal benefits, such as Social Security or Medicare). After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations on March 1, 2007, explaining how the states can meet these standards. The EPIC analysis of the potential privacy implications follows the enumeration of the each set of standards.

Minimum document requirements, §202(b):

"To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

(1) The person's full legal name.

(2) The person's date of birth.

(3) The person's gender.

(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.

(5) A digital photograph of the person.

(6) The person's address of principle residence.

(7) The person's signature.

(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements."

EPIC analysis:

We strongly advise deleting the §202(b)(6) requirement of displaying the person's address of principal residence on the card. This has significant implications for domestic violence victims and the homeless. We suggest requiring the acceptance of alternate addresses, such as P.O. boxes, in order to protect the privacy of individuals.

There is also the risk that the Department of Homeland Security guidelines will, under the §202(b)(9) requirement of "common machine-readable technology," mandate that the states must include radio frequency identification (RFID) technology in DL/ID. This wireless technology has significant security risks, including those of surreptitious gathering of personal data by unauthorized individuals and clandestine tracking of cardholders. EPIC has consistently recommended the use of contact technology, such as the stripes on the backs of credit cards, in identification documents. Contact cards are more secure; they do not contain the risk of data theft through wireless transmission and allow cardholders to have control over who sees their data. See EPIC's RFID page for more information on the dangers of using RFID in identification documents.

Minimum driver's license and identification card issuance standards, general, §202(c)(1):

"(1) In general. -- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:

(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.

(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth.

(C) Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.

(D) Documentation showing the person's name and address of principal residence."

Minimum driver's license and identification card issuance standards, special requirements §202(c)(2):

"(2) Special requirements. --

(A) In general. -- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall comply with the minimum standards of this paragraph.

(B) Evidence of lawful status. -- A State shall require, before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the person --

(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;

(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or temporary residence in the United States;

(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the United States;

(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United States or has entered into the United States in refugee status;

(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;

(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United States;

(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States;

(viii) has approved deferred action status; or

(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent resident status in the United States."

Verification of documents, §202(c)(3):

"(3) Verification of documents. -- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall implement the following procedures:

(A) Before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, the State shall verify, with the issuing agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each document required to be presented by the person under paragraph (1) or (2).

(B) The State shall not accept any foreign document, other than an official passport, to satisfy a requirement of paragraph (1) or (2).

(C) <> Not later than September 11, 2005, the State shall enter into a memorandum of understanding with the Secretary of Homeland Security to routinely utilize the automated system known as Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, as provided for by section 404 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (110 Stat. 3009-664), to verify the legal presence status of a person, other than a United States citizen, applying for a driver's license or identification card.

EPIC analysis:

As the DMVs must verify name, date of birth, Social Security number, place of residence and citizenship status, "with the issuing agency," this creates an incredible bureaucracy. The DMVs must all have secure access to state and federal databases with this information. These databases have been found to have inaccurate or incomplete information, which would significantly affect DL/ID applicants. Imagine the delays, as state DMV workers will be forced to become federal immigration officers, verifying the citizenship status of applicants. And there is question of whether citizens or legal permanent residents can find the documentation required. Section 202(c)(3)(B) forbids the acceptance of "any foreign document, other than an official passport, to satisfy a requirement of paragraph (1) or (2)." There are also discrimination concerns, as those who look or sound "foreign" would be targeted. The National Conference of State Legislatures has said, "The Real ID Act would cause chaos and backlogs in thousands of state offices across the country, making the nation less secure."

Other requirements, §202(d):

"(d) Other Requirements. -- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall adopt the following practices in the issuance of drivers' licenses and identification cards:

(1) Employ technology to capture digital images of identity source documents so that the images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format.

(2) Retain paper copies of source documents for a minimum of 7 years or images of source documents presented for a minimum of 10 years.

(3) Subject each person applying for a driver's license or identification card to mandatory facial image capture.

(4) Establish an effective procedure to confirm or verify a renewing applicant's information.

(5) Confirm with the Social Security Administration a social security account number presented by a person using the full social security account number. In the event that a social security account number is already registered to or associated with another person to which any State has issued a driver's license or identification card, the State shall resolve the discrepancy and take appropriate action.

(6) Refuse to issue a driver's license or identification card to a person holding a driver's license issued by another State without confirmation that the person is terminating or has terminated the driver's license.

(7) Ensure the physical security of locations where drivers' licenses and identification cards are produced and the security of document materials and papers from which drivers' licenses and identification cards are produced.

(8) Subject all persons authorized to manufacture or produce drivers' licenses and identification card security clearance requirements.

(9) Establish fraudulent document recognition training programs for appropriate employees engaged in the issuance of drivers' licenses and identification cards.

(10) Limit the period of validity of all driver's licenses and identification cards that are not temporary to a period that does not exceed 8 years.

(11) In any case in which the State issues a driver's license or identification card that does not satisfy the requirements of this section, ensure that such license or identification card --

(A) clearly states on its face that it may not be accepted by any Federal agency for federal identification or any other official purpose; and

(B) uses a unique design or color indicator to alert Federal agency and other law enforcement personnel that it may not be accepted for any such purpose.

(12) Provide electronic access to all other States to information contained in the motor vehicle database of the State.

(13) Maintain a State motor vehicle database that contains, at a minimum -

(A) all data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards issued by the State; and

(B) motor vehicle drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions, and points on licenses."

EPIC analysis:

The requirements to maintain paper copies or digital images of these important identity documents for seven to 10 years, combined with the requirement to "provide electronic access to all other States to information contained in the motor vehicle database of the State" will make this data a tempting target for identity thieves. The 50 state (plus the District of Columbia) databases would become on large database. And one presumes that each DMV would have access to these databases at the very least to confirm that the applicant does not have a REAL ID license or ID card in another state. If a criminal could break the security of any one of the tens of thousands of entrance points, then the criminal would have access to the personal data, including Social Security numbers, of every single person in the United State with a REAL ID license or ID card. This would put hundreds of millions of people at risk for identity theft.

The requirement for non-REAL ID-compliant DL/ID to have explicit "invalid for federal purposes" designations, turns this "voluntary" card into a mandatory national ID card. Anyone with a non-REAL ID-compliant card would be instantly suspicious. Compliant cards would be necessary for federal purposes such as entering courthouses, air travel or receiving federal benefits, such as Medicaid or Social Security. It would be easy for insurance companies, credit card companies, even video stores, to demand a REAL ID-compliant DL/ID in order to receive services. Significant delay, complication and possibly harassment or discrimination would fall upon those without a REAL ID license or ID card.


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RFID AND NATIONAL ID AS ELECTRONIC STALKING
PART 1


By John Longenecker
November 21, 2007
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Part I: The Flea.

PRIVACY is an American Safeguard against mistake, abuse and retaliation. The Personal Data Portability removal of this safeguard – for any reason – opens the door to a whole family of predatory cottage industries. The cost is not in how to pay for these, the cost is in the loss of privacy first.

Though the reasons may sound good at first — fighting crime, violence and even terrorism — the removal of the protection of Privacy as a safeguard of our way of life will usher in unstoppable predatory industries promising to rectify problems, furnish solutions and even guide Americans into newer monstrosities of electronic surveillance.

With Political Correctness already having its own boot on the throat of American thought, intrusion of electronic surveillance will not only keep open files on what you buy and how much you have, but it will soon presume to dictate what you must become.

For health, safety of yourself and others, knowledge of your behavior and habits will soon come to dictate how you must change, and that means morphing you into what you must be. For your own good and for the good of society, you will be compelled to change.

RFID Chips — one of two leading means of electronic surveillance — promise dreams of convenience, but they will deliver nightmares of conformity. The PC influence can already force parents into unwelcome injections for their children, or go to jail for ten days. Too much milkfat or animal fat in your diet will soon be known, and the insurance underwriters will soon be able to know – not guess, but know – your consumption, and it is they who will cite the figures on heart disease and animal fat and how much is good or bad for you, not you.

Let’s take a look at one of the earliest applications as I recall it from the seventies when I first heard about portable data embedded in a chip which is to be embedded in people — the medical records data to accompany the patient wherever he or she goes.

The Flea – the tiny thing you really don’t want on you – was originally touted in the middle seventies for keeping medical records with the patient at all times, specifically on their person, indwelling. In the seventies and before, the MedicAlert Tag was more than sufficient in furnishing vital information to doctors, volunteers and others. This was before EMS was even called EMS.

The newer concept was that, with the arrival of greater technology, longer history and more complex treatments and medicines, there was — supposedly – the greater complexity of records to keep, and the need for the right platform to disgorge it all to the practitioner who would see the patient in time of emergency.

But this is not how emergency treatment works. Then or now.

Much of emergency medical care is commonly without a complete medical history. It is... well, emergency. Much of emergency treatment is supportive, life-saving, and generally straightforward from patient to patient. Airway, breathing, circulation, whether shortness of breath is from heart attack, choking, bee sting, electric shock or even myasthenia gravis in the field, it’s all the same. First things first.

Paramedics in the field are trained to assess the patient in 90-seconds. In that time, the nature and degree of the emergency is understood and life-saving treatment has begun in Advanced Life Support. That’s pretty damned fast. Any other medical professional in the same situation as Paramedics operate in their world would not delay his or her assessment and treatment of an emergency patient for want of further information. There would be no wait-and-see delay, as the insistence on a portable, embedded medical history suggests.

Furthermore, what a professional needs to know at the most urgent moments is not contained in a chip, but in the physical exam and presentation of the patient. Signs, symptoms and findings of what is happening at the present are generally much more important than a miniature past embedded somewhere in the patient’s muscle.

Once the door is opened for portable medical history data — as unimportant as it is — others will push it open for all sorts of applications for the portability of other personal data — data which is a lot less urgent than medical data, but certainly more useful to predators. RFID rings the dinner bell for predators. Those predators are worldwide.

And this is where the second problem emerges. Supposing that our sovereignty is in fact dead and we cannot stop the Flea from jumping on us – first problem — the second problem is identity theft, or theft of all portable information.

Remember that once the Flea is embedded in you, you can’t get rid of it. Even if you can precisely locate the thing, it’s harder to remove than a tattoo.

One may not have anything to hide per se, but everyone has something to protect.

Privacy, not Piracy

Some of us remember cell phone piracy of the nineties, and we remember the assurances officials gave. Pirates would stand over freeways and scan passing cars below to capture their cellular codes electronically. Within minutes, they could make calls billed to Joe and Josephine Caller. Only when millions of customers began denying they made all those phone calls did the industry catch on. Meanwhile, officials denied that it was possible. It was more than possible — it was done and gone. As with most such theft, most of the predators are not found.

Today, with handheld technology available to read RFID chips at a distance, no rational person can assure Americans that their personal data will not be stolen and abused. With today’s technology, a person with an RFID Chip containing any information at all could find their data stolen, and not ever know where, when nor by whom. Never. It’s as fast as a snapshot and just as anonymous.

The genius or the horror of human implanted RFID Chips is that they can be read at a distance and through solid objects. Alright, we know this. But did you know how easy it is for a predator to pick up a few parts and steal your portable data from even greater distances than the manufacturer's parameters?

It’s not a question of encoding your chip for protection – codes are universal to some extent or the chips themselves are useless in any industry, or incompatible with various scanners. Besides, your installer may not have preferred the more expensive options of encoding, no matter what he says. It’s easier to say they did than to do it, just like it’s easier to obtain forgiveness than permission.

Once your personal, portable data is captured, it’s in the wind, and you’re toast. The technology makes it possible to pick up a few parts, make up a yagi antenna and you’re in business. Now, the useful range of the RFID Chip – about 30 feet – is extended by a sensitive lurking antenna and circuit to 300 feet or more. That can put it on a freeway overpass, outside a restaurant, or even your home.

The patent for human implantation of the RFID Chip was granted in 1973, with plenty of time to dream up many applications since then. Sounded good, but two things prevented it: privacy concerns and miniaturization technology. Now, the Flea is tiny enough to be lost among several grains of pepper on the tip of your finger, and privacy concerns can go to Hades.

But this is only the beginning. This is not your father’s reading your portable data for one medical emergency application, it is shared for many applications. It is placed on shared databases, and it is to be shared worldwide. Airports, retailers, public buildings, foreign stations are gearing up to read RFID Chips as visitors, patrons and members pass through their doors hourly.

Shared databases mean your data is shared worldwide.

As with all looting in this country, Liberty and Sovereignty must be pushed aside somehow, because they are the last bulwark against that kind of predatory industries — looting. These industries depend heavily on adversity for their customer base and very survival. Whole industries large and small tend to sprout up not only to furnish the Flea, but to manage the problems anticipated and unanticipated in an enchanting transfer of wealth. All in the name of fighting crime, or some other purported necessity. Pick one.

If you like the credit reporting bureaus and the cottage industries who promise to clean up the errors, you’ll love RFID and all other surveillances and what they charge. But the cost to America is not in the repair bills for errors – it’s in the loss of sovereignty that paves the way for the Flea to begin with.

In Part II, we’ll elaborate even greater potential for abuse (as if this wasn’t enough?) defiance of citizen authority, and what defiance and electronic surveillance mean to the American of tomorrow — your children and their children after parents have had the chip as the norm for a generation.

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RFID AND NATIONAL ID AS ELECTRONIC STALKING
PART 2


By John Longenecker
November 28, 2007
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Tracking Americans Worldwide

The Right To Bare Arms means no RFID in the body. Virgin. Untouched. Unmolested.

With any sort of requirement to even eventually and for whatever reason take the RFID Chip implant, the officials pushing it makes them the New Bureau Of Engraving.

I had written years ago that when I was a Paramedic in the Fairfax District of Los Angeles in 1977, I had seen and treated many Jews who had Nazi Numbers on their arms. You know what those were for.

The RFID Chip is for that same purpose. Order.

You can call it fighting crime, you can call it tracking and you can call it Order, but it’s all the same: Control. And Control by knowing things about you is the foe of Liberty, because it subjects innocent everyday behavior to scrutiny, and this leads to mistake, abuse and retaliation.

When I say that tiny RFID Chips can track Americans worldwide, I am speaking of the shared databases we described in Part I. For years, I’ve been calling it the Flea — the tiny thing you don’t want on you. Let’s look closer.

Shared databases are already operating in fingerprinting, insurance coverage, point of sale, automobile records, medical records, sales leads for sales weasels, marketing tracking of both merchandise and customer habits, diesel parts, tires, grooming supplies, and much, much more. Enter Internet search term Keyword RFID and you pull up a host of news items. Take it a step further: Google for yourself your own tracking: Google Alert term RFID and you can begin to follow RFID newsbreaks as they happen by opting-in for e-mail notification of the latest. You may get ten a day. When one begins to view the enormity of the applications, delight of new technology turns to apprehension and suspicion. JMO, of course. .

As more and more agencies adopt RFID readers, more and more databases want to join, and many have made a good case for taking a peek at the data of what you buy, eat, read and watch. The fact is, that you are now watched, or soon will be.

As these are embedded in consumables, they are read wherever you take your consumables. This establishes the technology of worldwide reading of RFID Chips for a seemingly harmless tracking model: marketing. It also makes you trackable wherever you go by what you carry. (What’s in your wallet?)

And, naturally, if it’s proven in marketing, it will be of interest in law enforcement. The brunt of the cost will have been absorbed by business in pioneering the concept of following a single item anywhere in the world, and with such an infrastructure in place by then, law enforcement tracking is no longer three steps away, but one step away. The privacy defense will no longer be a voice, but a whimper by then, outweighed – bullied – by so-called necessity for a new crime fighting tool, and technical wonder for its ease of operation.

No wonder crime is permitted to continue: it paves the way for new technologic intrusions, equipment sales and the staff to man them.

Now, to the future Americans to be tracked, the children, as promised.

As I mentioned, Liberty, Sovereignty and Privacy need to be pushed aside for the industry of Personal Data Portability, otherwise known as Tracking. The customer’s view is convenience, while the marketer’s view is watching. What they do with the information they obtain morphs into wider and wider applications, inspired by more and more successful experiments – some technological triumphs, others societal triumphs, as in overcoming Privacy objections — all of which then translate into deeper and deeper intrusions.

But intrusion isn’t harmless, because such personal information can so easily be misinterpreted. Such personal data can so easily be subjective and abused. What they interpret can be pivotal in how you parent your children, and sooner than you think.

As RFID is embedded in more and more items, a greater acceptance and acceptability occurs, and over time, tracking becomes the norm. What we establish and accept today will become the norm for our kids, and will proceed from there. As with our U.S. History, what is erased or forgotten is what might have added powerful enough perspective to protect the nation on the issue, so acceptance today is essential to the control of tomorrow. Refusal today is critical to the safety and freedom of our kids tomorrow.

Erasing the baseline for perspective is to disarm the children of tomorrow in their protest against control when it comes time for them to grapple with the problem -- long after we’re gone. Order. Irrespective of what we teach them today, our actions of acceptance will speak louder, and do much of the advance work of control — no.. more like surrender – to and for the industries which will thrive on adversity, war, terrorism and crime. And the need for....Order.

Now look at this: Who uses the Internet a lot in 2008? The kids. Who likes to buy all kinds of junk at the Mall? The kids. Where are RFID chips being placed? In all sorts of items, from those diesel parts to wet shaving razors . . . and RFID is placed in tons of stuff for... shall we say.. marketing purposes.

And who furnishes a free modem with new or upgraded service? ISP’s do. When was the last time you paid for a modem?

As the discussion has been posted on the world wide web [don’t forget to Google Alert the term RFID] modems are being geared for RFID readers for so-called marketing research in items brought home. This is not a new concept, not new at all. Haven’t you noticed the contactless ‘swipe’ or ‘pass’ feature on the terminal when you buy something? Internet. Various software already manages what they are calling Global RFID Networks already in place.

It’s no great leap to RFID readers in the home computer’s modem.

And here’s another frightening aspect of the nightmare: not only will chips of the near future be readable and tiny, they will also be writeable and re-writeable, just like the mag stripe on your membership card is. The mag stripe is just a piece of recording tape souped up for high print-through and durability. But make no mistake, when it is read at the supermarket, it is re-writing the stripe and updating it. How’s that for taking a swipe at Americans?

They’re not likely to leave this feature out of Portable Personal Data chips.

Every day the industry makes advances toward personal implantation, it’s an appraisal of our current Sovereignty.

In Part III, we can ask the denizens of the industry why they don’t take their own Chip and more.

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By Ryan Singel January 16, 2008 | 4:47:12

A top homeland security policy maker suggests that the recently released mandates for a de-facto national I.D. card could help stop meth labs, if the government required that pharmacy's demand that cold medicine buyers show their REAL ID.

Currently individuals who want to buy over-the-counter decongestants containing pseudo-ephedrine have to show I.D. to a pharmacy clerk, sign a log sheet and are limited in the amount they can purchase. The rules -- pushed heavily by California Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein, are intended to make it harder for meth labs to get pseudo-ephedrine to cook into full-blown methamphetamines. They were made law in the 2006 re-authorization of the Patriot Act.

Stewart Baker, the assistant director for policy at Homeland Security and a longtime needler of privacy groups, suggested on Wednesday that the federal law could be tweaked to require controversial REAL ID identification cards, according to News.com. Federal rules -- such as those requiring identification to enter federal buildings or to board a plane without being patted down -- are the hammer in the government's efforts to make recalictrant states comply with the government's rules for standardizing driver's licenses.

The Cato Institutes's Jim Harper interprets Baker's statement to mean a REAL ID would be necessary for any prescription. I don't see that in the report on Baker's remark, but certainly the F in FDA stands for Federal. The feds probably could do this, but from a health standpoint it would be a nightmare. No REAL ID, no birth control, no antibiotics, no insulin. How many dead Americans are these rules going to be worth?

Many states have balked at the expensive REAL ID proposal and have said they won't participate.

Homeland Security is already set to test those state's resolve and is threatening to not let any citizen of those states to use their state-issued I.D.'s to board planes come May.

If that holds, expect that Hartsfield-Atlanta airport will be filled with angry travelers, who not only can't get where they are going with enduring painfully long lines. The sick ones among them won't even get to stop their sniffles, either, if what the irascible Baker suggests actually comes to pass.


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Even though no one on Capitol Hill is talking about it, unless it is stopped, the provisions of The Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13, 119 Stat 392), through the Department of Homeland Security, will require the federalization of State-issued driver's licenses by May 11, 2011.

This is the type of card the Nazi's and the communists in the Soviet Union made people carry.

The new cards, disguised as a uniform drivers' license, will be biometric. Each card will store up to a gigabyte of personal data about the card holder AND will contain a GPS tracking chip---so that means the government will know where you are at all times.

No one is talking about this... and certainly, this is something the Obama administration would like to keep quiet.

Barack Obama's America is quickly becoming Nazi Germany. Did you ever think you would experience invasive, Big Brother tactics in which uniformed officers ask: "Let me see your papers?"

We know Barack Obama doesn't care what the U.S. Constitution says. SO WE HAVE TO CARE, AND WE HAVE TO STOP HIM.

George Orwell's "1984" has finally arrived---27 years late.

WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND---WHILE WE CAN. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
Just click on this link. We have made it easy for you to FAX every Member of the U.S. Congress to tell them to STOP any form of National I.D. cards or National Drivers' license. Tell Congress that the Real ID Act goes beyond Constitutional limits, and that the American people will not be subjected to what amounts to an internal passport. Further, tell Congress that since the creation of a uniform, federal drivers' license/ID card exceeds the financial limits established by the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 (Pubic Law 104-4, 2 USC 1501), this law cannot be implemented because the cost exceeds the limits the federal government can impose on the States. Please help us fight this usurpation of YOUR privacy rights---and CHALLENGE an unlawful demand on the States. OUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS must be preserved.

If this battle is not waged---and won---by May 11, 2011, the American people will be carrying a federal ID card that will double as a State-issued drivers' license. You will need it to vote. You will need it to enter a federal building. You will need it to buy a plane ticket. And, believe it or not, you will need it if you are stopped while jogging in the park or sitting on your front porch. Oh, yes... and because it will be your drivers' license as well, you will need it to drive your car.

You may be wondering how in the world we could have allowed this to happen. We "allowed it" to happen because we were more concerned about terrorists than civil liberties. Congress passed the Real ID Act on May 11, 2005, creating a mandatory national standard for State-issued drivers' licenses, making the data points identical on all cards. REAL ID requires State driver's license authorities to use more stringent measures to verify Social Security numbers, birth dates, addresses, proof of citizenship and immigration status. The act prescribes 18 SEPARATE SECURITY CONTROLS that States are now required to use when issuing driver's licenses.

Before a REAL ID can be issued, the applicant must provide the following documentation:

1. A photo ID, or a non-photo ID that includes his or her full legal name and birth date
2. Documentation of birth date (i.e., your birth certificate)
3. Documentation of legal status and Social Security number
4. Third party documentation showing name and place of residence.

No big deal, if you're trying to keep terrorists out of the country.

But the liberties we will give up in order to accept this government control and intrusion on our privacy are monumental.

As Benjamin Franklin warned, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Who among us really believes that this National I.D. program is designed to keep us safer? It's all part of Obama's regime of control and government centralization.

Please make sure every Member of Congress hears from you. Click this link to FAX Congress and tell them to STOP any form of National I.D. cards or National Drivers' license. Tell Congress that the Real ID Act goes beyond Constitutional limits, and that the American people will not be subjected to what amounts to an internal passport. Further, tell Congress that since the creation of a uniform, federal drivers' license/ID card exceeds the financial limits established by the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 (Pubic Law 104-4, 2 USC 1501), this law cannot be implemented because the cost exceeds the limits the federal government can impose on the States. Please help us fight this usurpation of YOUR privacy rights---and CHALLENGE an unlawful demand on the States. OUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS must be preserved.

In 1998 the Clinton Administration tested a privately-funded card without the consent of Congress. Their card was part of a special healthcare program funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The program was initiated in five western States and entailed giving women with dependent children free healthcare in the pilot project that actually tested the effectiveness of the biometric cards, which electronically monitored the whereabouts of the cardholder 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by GPS. The test lasted one year. It was deemed to be a success. So you see, the federal government already has the ability to track the whereabouts of its human capital while they work, when they play, and where they sleep.

If this battle is not waged---and won---by May 11, 2011, "Real ID" will go into effect.

You will have to carry your card to vote.

You will have to carry your card to enter a federal building.

You will have to carry your card to buy a plane ticket.

You will have to keep your "national driver's license" on your person at all times, whether you are driving or not---you will need it whether you are playing tennis, sitting on your front porch, or walking up to the corner to catch a taxi.

THOSE OF US WHO RESPECT OUR CONSTITUTION AND HOLD OUR PRIVACY IN HIGH ESTEEM MUST ACT NOW TO STOP THIS INTRUSION. MAY 11 IS FAST APPROACHING.

Click this link to FAX Congress and tell them to STOP any form of National I.D. cards or National Drivers' license. Please help us fight this usurpation of YOUR privacy rights---and CHALLENGE an unlawful demand on the States. OUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS must be preserved!

Most states are already compliant well before the deadline. Personal data about you has already been taken and it has been stored in a dossier about you.

And this information will be available to law enforcement officials in all other States. That means the presumptions of "unreasonable search" are void, because if you are stopped in any State for speeding, the police in that State can "read" the database assigned to your card and virtually "share your information" over the Internet with any other government agency in any state.

In addition to some First Amendment concerns, the REAL ID Act violates the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, because driver's license, as such, should come under State purview, not the laws of the federal government. A federal drivers' license violates the Tenth Amendment with respect to State power, and obliterates the states' dual sovereignty with the federal government, making the State subservient to the federal government.

We must do everything that we can to invalidate this Act by May 11, 2011.

Ultimately, just as Social Security Cards were never supposed to be used for ID purposes, Real ID drivers' license will, very quickly, become de facto national ID cards, which is why people who don't drive will still need to carry one.

REAL ID is REAL intrusive! We must make sure this doesn't happen in America. Please send your faxes now.

Sincerely,

Tony Adkins
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P. S. The REAL ID Act implementation will make it much easier for the federal government to track every American---which is its purpose under the REAL ID Act. This is an outright act of control on the part of the Obama administration, only one of the many agenda items they are implementing in order to have power over every American citizen. We must speak up, quickly, and make sure a National I.D. card NEVER becomes reality in the United States of America.

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Real ID: Dead in the States, Congress follows suit


Written by: Michael Boldin

Here’s news of yet another nail in the coffin of Real ID. Still on the books in Congress, never overturned in federal court, but null and void in virtually the entire country (Florida, why don’t you join the rest!)

From Cato-at-Liberty, it appears that Congress might actually defund the whole mess and make it pretty much official:

It’s a good thing for Congress to have an open debate on the bill that would fund the government from March 4th through the September 30 end of the 2011 fiscal year. The alternative is for the bill to be written and the political log-rolling to be done entirely behind the scenes. Open debate of the bill and amendments requires at least some level of discussion about various projects and programs rather than spending decisions being based solely on raw political power. And it gives the public some chance to have a say.

The debate may include an amendment to strip funding from the REAL ID Act, our deplorable national ID law. As I wrote here before, money spent on REAL ID is waste. That money should be put to better uses, including deficit reduction. No future money should go to the national ID boondoggle, and ultimately REAL ID should be repealed once and for all.

Amendment #277 (find it on this page, scroll down…) would add the following language to the FY 2011 spending bill:

None of the funds made available by this Act may be used by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services for the implementation of the REAL ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13).

Michael Boldin [send him email] is the founder of the Tenth Amendment Center. He was raised in Milwaukee, WI, and currently resides in Los Angeles, CA.

The government has attempted to implement this since the Reagan era. Understand that if people become aware of a particular issue, TPTB delay it. This makes people that exposed it, out to be liars.

Later, TPTB pull it again, then no one listens to the person exposing it, now they get their way.

This is how the game is played, and has been for quite some time. It's partly to blame for the inaction of us Americans.

TPTB love to play chess. Eventually they will find a crisis that is serious enough to allow them to implement it.


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If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify


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From massive NSA spying, to IRS targeting of the administration’s political opponents, to collection and sharing of our health care information as part of Obamacare, it seems every day we learn of another assault on our privacy. Sadly, this week the Senate took another significant, if little-noticed, step toward creating an authoritarian surveillance state. Buried in the immigration bill is a national identification system called mandatory E-Verify.

The Senate did not spend much time discussing E-Verify, and what little discussion took place was mostly bipartisan praise for its effectiveness as a tool for preventing illegal immigrants from obtaining employment. It is a tragedy that mandatory E-Verify is not receiving more attention, as it will impact nearly every American’s privacy and liberty.

The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database. The database will contain photographs taken from passport files and state driver’s licenses. The law gives federal bureaucrats broad discretion in adding other “biometric” identifiers to the database. It also gives the bureaucracy broad authority to determine what features the “tamper proof” card should contain.

Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans. Under this system, many Americans will be denied the opportunity for work. The E-Verify database will falsely identify thousands as “ineligible,” forcing many to lose job opportunities while challenging government computer inaccuracies. E-Verify will also impose additional compliance costs on American businesses, at a time when they are struggling with Obamacare implementation and other regulations.

According to David Bier of Competitive Enterprise Institute, there is nothing stopping the use of E-Verify for purposes unrelated to work verification, and these expanded uses could be authorized by agency rule-making or executive order. So it is not inconceivable that, should this bill pass, the day may come when you are not be able to board an airplane or exercise your second amendment rights without being run through the E-Verify database. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the personal health care information that will soon be collected by the IRS and shared with other federal agencies as part of Obamacare will also be linked to the E-Verify system.

Those who dismiss these concerns as paranoid should consider that the same charges were leveled at those who warned that the PATRIOT Act could lead to the government collecting our phone records and spying on our Internet usage. Just as the PATRIOT Act was only supposed to be used against terrorists but is now used to bypass constitutional protections in matters having noting to do with terrorism or national security, the national ID/mandatory E-Verify database will not only be used to prevent illegal immigrants from gaining employment. Instead, it will eventually be used as another tool to monitor and control the American people.

The recent revelations of the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans, plus recent stories of IRS targeting Tea Party and similar groups for special scrutiny, demonstrates the dangers of trusting government with this type of power. Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.

Former Congressman Ron Paul’s article first appeared at the-free-foundation.org, the temporary home for his weekly column until his personal web page is up and running.


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I used to use military ID for everything I could since it was technically a federal ID, yet by law, it gives up very little information about the individual compared to what is on a driver's license, but now there is an even better ID.

The US Passport card is a legal verified ID, actually kind of tricky to get since it involves all of the steps of getting a passport, but it gives up even less of your personal information than a military ID or any of the state issued IDs, and by law, anything official has to accept it as your ID because as a federal ID, it supersedes any other ID. About the only think it will not work is certain kinds of checkpoints at airports and seaports for traveling between countries which don't border the US, but even in those circumstances, if you "lost" your regular passport but still have your passport card, the worst they can do is delay our re-entry into the US, and if were to actually lose the passport or a drivers license, then the passport card is one document that can easily get you a replacement without having to dig up your birth certificate and social security card and send them in for verification.

In either event, use cash, demand cash, make a fuss when people don't accept it or won't pay it. Only cash and coin of the realm even says "legal tender for all debts public and private". Credit cards don't and all it takes is a couple of phone calls for someone to screw that up in a hurry.


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The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database.


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Real patriot movement people need to focus on cash income sources anyway, and a volunteer contribution system to replace (for us) what would otherwise be the tax system.


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I have always preferred cash. The ages old statement, * money talks and BS walks * has sealed the deal countless times throughout history. The really neat thing about cash is that it is PRIVATE and PUBLIC all at the same time. Besides it is NOT necessary to go to a bank or credit union to exchange cash for cash as one has to do when trying to change a check into cash.


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TSA Demands Internal Passport for Domestic Travel

By: Wendy McElroy | Tuesday, February 10, 2015

Precedents exist for requiring citizens to produce special ID for domestic travel; they include Nazi Germany, apartheid South Africa and Russia (both Imperial and Soviet).

Over the Christmas season, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) quietly announced that America was walking down that path. By 2016, all domestic air travel will require either a traditional passport or a federally-compliant ID card called "Real ID." State driver's licenses will no longer allow Americans access to domestic flights, as they do now. Real ID will constitute an internal passport. (The drop-date date is commonly reported as January.)

An internal passport refers to an identity document that people must produce to move from place to place within national borders. It allows a government to monitor the movement of its own people and to control that movement by granting or denying ID. In the past, governments have used internal passports to isolate 'undesirables', to regulate economic opportunities, to reap personal data, to intimidate and command obedience, and to segregate categories of people (like Jews) for political purposes. It allows a government to bind anyone it chooses to his or her place of birth.

The upcoming Real ID requirement targets only air travel. But that's how it begins - with airports.

After people became numb to years of ID demands, questioning and searches at airports, those tactics spread to train stations and subways. Then highway check-points were established in areas that lay within 100 miles from an "external boundary," including coasts. U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents now have the authority to stop a traveller if they have "reasonable suspicion" of an immigration violation or other crime. Although the agents do not currently have authority to demand ID from American citizens, they often do so.

The ACLU has repeatedly cautioned that "[i]n practice, Border Patrol agents routinely ignore or misunderstand the limits of their legal authority in the course of individual stops, resulting in violations of the constitutional rights of innocent people....These problems are compounded by...the consistent failure of CBP to hold agents accountable for abuse. Thus, although the 100-mile border zone is not literally 'Constitution free', the U.S. government frequently acts like it is."

USA 100-Mile Border Zone

Recently, highway checkpoints have occurred well outside the 100-mile "exemption" range, with agents demanding to see ID. They detain and threaten those who refuse the illegal demand:

The total control of movement always begins with airports. Real ID will be reality in the US by the end of the decade and, perhaps, long before. And it is not likely to be limited to air travel.

Real ID Walks In Through A Back Door

Under the Real ID Act of 2005, state driver's licenses and other ID needed to conform to federal standards. The IDs were to be used for "official purposes" as were defined by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Examples of explicitly defined "purposes" include for entry into federal buildings and for boarding commercial air flights. But the law also provided the DHS with the authority to require Real ID for other undefined purposes, apparently at its discretion.

To be compliant, the state IDs must incorporate specific personal details about each bearer and link that information to a unique identifying number. The minimum information required consists of a front-facing photo that is compatible with facial recognition technology, a full legal name, signature, birth date, gender, and main address. (RFID chips were not mandated but the Act left the future possibility open.)

The issuing state must verify the information and encode it in a machine readable manner such as bar codes. Then, the data must be linked to every other state's motor vehicle databases. The networking would permit an easy data-merge with federal databases such as the FBI's Next Generation Identification system. The latter is a national facial recognition system, which serves other functions as well.

The Real ID Act experienced a huge backlash from privacy and fourth amendment advocates, as well as from states' rights ones. The states themselves rebelled because the federal government hoisted the cost of implementing the program onto their shoulders. Some states - for example, Idaho, Hawaii, New Hampshire, and Maine - flatly refused to comply. DHS estimates that somewhere between 20-30% of Americans live in non-compliant areas. This means the states have to scramble to abide by federal standards by 2016. The Real ID will have a white star inside a gold circle in the upper right corner to indicate that the data has been verified.

The verification process is not a simple one for the state or for the individual. The Marietta Daily Journal (Oct. 23,2012) reported, "[M]any drivers in Georgia were surprised when they attempted to renew their driver's licenses. What was a quick point and click online is no longer. Federal requirements for the Real ID Act, now require drivers to visit a Department of Driver Services office if they don't already have DDS secure license marked by a white star in a field of gold in the upper right corner of the license.

"Many Georgians haven't renewed their licenses in many years, so naturally, they were caught by surprise when they had to produce, in person, proof of identity, Social Security card and proof of residence. But there is more. You have to prove your citizenship as well. How? According to the DDS, either with a 'valid, unexpired U.S. passport', an original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate/amended birth certificate filed with the State Office of Vital Statistics. Birth certificates issued by hospitals 'are not acceptable'."

This is nothing less than the federalization and standardization of all identifying documents throughout the United States. Those who are unable to document such niceties as their existence (that is, their birth) will become second class citizens. They will be unable to fly and excluded from entering into federal buildings, which may be necessary for them to obtain government permissions or fulfil legal requirements. Joining the ranks of the second-class will be the holders non-compliant licenses; these lack a white star and are stamped "Not for Federal Official Use" instead. "Not for Federal Official Use" holders will need a traditional passport or to apply for alternate DHS documentation if they wish to fly.

What To Expect

Many states and, so, many individuals will not make TSA's January 2016 deadline for Real ID. Some hope the humanitarian TSA will push back the deadline as it did last year. And a delay may happen...for logistical reasons. If it does, those who wish to escape a nation with internal passports may have another year to do so.

But the main hope of delaying Real ID is a confrontation between the federal and state governments. In 2012, the governor of Montana declared,

"Montana will not agree to share its citizens' personal and private information through a national database, nor bear the exorbitant cost [of] building such a database. Furthermore, the Act tramples on our state's right to determine our own licensing procedures and protocols, and would interfere with our state's work to improve drivers' license security. Montana is in no mood at all for another heavy-handed play by the federal government, such as what transpired in 2008 when the homeland security director threatened to prevent Montanans from boarding an airplane unless we complied with the REAL ID act. We refused, and will refuse again."

Brave words. But Real ID is coming. When it arrives with both feet, Real ID will make it much more difficult for freedom-loving people to avoid the federal behemoth. Of course, that is its purpose. FATCA and related global measures gave the feds access to every cent that any American possessed in the world. Now Real ID wants to ensure that no American can avoid federal detection within domestic borders.

Id Checkpoint in Rutherford county TN
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New Mexico is not real ID compliant yet...But they are pushing through the last obstacle this year.. I hope they fail again.


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If we the citizenry comply in anyway with this. We deserve to loose our freedoms! I am not going to mince my words or actions with anyone. Resist or comply its up to you. We must fight for our freedom or die as slaves to this tyranny. For those of us that have run our mouths (me included). It is time to stand our ground and deliver on our verbiage. If you don't. STFU!


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If we the citizenry comply in anyway with this. We deserve to loose our freedoms! I am not going to mince my words or actions with anyone. Resist or comply its up to you. We must fight for our freedom or die as slaves to this tyranny. For those of us that have run our mouths (me included). It is time to stand our ground and deliver on our verbiage. If you don't. STFU!
I agree with you 100% every one who gives in to this violation of our rights is an ass kissing coward and is NO Patriot and also does not deserve the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Any one deserving of the Title Patriot would do any thing and every thing needed to fight against this and I Do Mean Every Thing regardless of who or what gets hurt or damaged and regardless of any Moral Considerations and to Hell with Collateral Damage.

And we all must fully understand that in a real WAR Morality is a Weakness especially when fighting an Immoral Enemy.


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Your are straying off course with my comment. I do not support collateral damage. We would loose public support with such sloppy actions. Your comments suggest that you are not what you say you are. Your comments come across as though you want to bait people into saying stupid and entrapping comments to be used against them. Why is this?!


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Vader when you lose your morality you lose you support base. morals are beacons for your supporting populace. collateral damage did not work for Che. Or us. last time we had an in-depth argument on infrastructure Rick Stanley got a lot of people investigated. And lot of people harassed and a lot of people fired from their jobs.


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Your comments do not pass the stink test for me!


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Vader fix your flight pattern. And check your shot groups. As red dog would say this comes across as fed bait


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Your are straying off course with my comment. I do not support collateral damage.
I agree with you 100% every one who gives in to this violation of our rights is an ass kissing coward and is NO Patriot and also does not deserve the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

That is what I agreed with and stated regarding your post.

And to that I added some of my thoughts on this issue. MY THOUGHTS NOT YOUR THOUGHTS

Do you now now understand that I did not mean to infer that you believed the same as I do on my use of Collateral Damage or any of my other thoughts......


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I make sure to have a regular passport and the passport card. If I am not driving a car, then those are my identification and they are legal identifications per federal law period, end of story like your military ID card.

The advantage of the passport especially the card version is that while it is a legit federal ID, it is only accessed through much more restricted databases than a drivers license and therefore nearly useless to the municipal/civil interface of credit, banking and residence verification. That's what would make identity theft and fraud much more difficult, not to mention personal stalking.


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Hey sometimes some of you talk to much!! Talking to much is why several of our guys are on vacation now.. And another thing, everyone here knows...No cheerleading needed.


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Sad that "hypothetical conjecture" is now a crime...


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Yes it is sad, but free speech is no longer free, They take every comment you have ever made, and use it once they trapped you in some sting. Oh I'd love to speak my mind sometimes...but we can't do much from behind the fence at the grey bar motel.. That said If you're spouting freedom in terms of "kill em all and let God sort em out", instead of spouting freedom like Franklin, Madison, Jefferson and Washington, Your not going to win any friends in the public anyway. There is no need to hypothetically claim what you will do.. Then action time comes every patriot should do his duty, no more no less.. We are militia men and patriots, Not a criminal organization like the Feds have become.

I said my piece, now do and say what you want.. You're all big boys.


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Imagine for a minute...

If you knew there was going to be a I D checkpoint in your county like this one in Rutherford county TN
http://youtu.be/_MmJwMvMGzM

How could you monkey wrench it???

IF, you could get 25 or 30 vehicles to convoy to the scene...each with a driver and a witness armed with camera equipment...and everyone refused to show id. those people would have a hard time dealing with everyone at once.

Add in...everyone is legally armed per your State code...just to increase the opfors pucker factor.

The point being...overwhelm them with numbers and non compliance.


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After going through the check point... Circle around and re-join the line to magnify the effect...


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Husker " Conjecture" became a liability to the .gov
on 9-11. Conjecture after that became PC. PC equals FISA warrant and NSL's. What is said and typed as Falsarge and many others found out used against you. Even what others type is used against you. In Virginia judges love guilty by association and the Commonwealth attorney goes by the rule of you are judged by the company you keep.

In this state we are under the all seeing eye of the surveillance monster.

Conjecture as you put it is known as a Predicate precursor. and it is one of the 6 points needed to open an investigation. Let me tell you about how that works. After a while of finding nothing they will make something up and "Find" you guilty of that.They have to validate the cost of the man hours to the OMB and the bean counters.

We had a mass exodus on these boards and no they didn't go to face book or you tube they went dark from the practice of using forums. I have spoken to many of our former posters and they did not like the idea of what they posted being used against them. They took wise advice and left.

Real ID who cares its a done deal work locally and find the roads they wont be on take those roads. dont fly just drive. Be smart and plan smart. you are in an occupied country and now is the time to act like it.

What is an important battle to us ? wasting our time worrying about an ID.

Or caching away class 1 thru 10 items? The gov is going to do what the gov is going to do. If its what the corporations want then it will be. Focus on the one thing that you can do well and learn to do it better. And keep your mouths shut about it.

Locally to put a wrench in the works of those who try the rutherford check. have the community cease to do any business with the Law enforcement agencies and the cops who work within these agencies. sell no gas,food,water, provide no electric or phone services. sell no oil or tires to them in effect the whole town blacklists them.

Sell nothing to the department or the employees of the department from the individual badge right up to the politicians. No coffee from the 7-11 no diapers from the wal-mart. Basically an economic lockout or embargo.

Store owners and landlords have the right to refuse service to anyone.Business is a lawful and voluntary transaction.If every town did this then it would make a quick and effective difference in the attitude of the police and feds.

Laws are what the police and PTB control. the food and service and oil/gas/water / electric are what we the people control. and we can control it very effectively.


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Monkeywrenching day to day harassment and lies is a constitutional duty, aiding and abetting terrorists during a manhunt is treason. Our problem is that we can't really know what is real or not until things get looked into for a considerable period of time after an event. It is wrong to assume they are all false flag events, and it is also wrong to disregard the likelihood of a false flag or entirely made up event used as justification for getting people to consent to a reduction in rights. Extortion and con games surrounding false accusations or false reports are the meat and potatoes of common law enforcement techniques these days, and that's the barrier to success for everyone involved, sometimes even the terrorist.

The real treason in these situations is when authorities abuse the public trust and commit crimes and rights violations which accompany the intent to lie about the severity of what is going on, like pulling the fire alarm in a movie theater to get everyone outside for a narcotics search (they used to do that in the Rocky Horror Picture Show). The difference is, this shit is serious, and we cant have a bunch of lying bullshit pranksters playing stupid games over it.

Just as I have had people banned here and at another forum I moderate for pranking us with bad intel, the same needs to happen on the other end. The issue is, I doubt the current legal framework within the government agencies tasked with fighting terrorism is capable of sufficiently dealing with a fair and equitable system for punishing those who make false calls on that.


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I think ConSigCor has it right. You can overwhelm papers check points, and cause them to spend resources. Making the thought of future check point a budget consideration.

Breacher, I have seen many youtube videos of Drivers License check points in Tennessee, Ohio and other states these are not Terrorist searches.. These are the types of vehicle block you do..

But of course you cannot assume every lock down like Boston's martial law one, is justified.. People have to learn to protect themselves.. I will not live in fear, or live under the boot of a police state.


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I typed this yesterday and since I have a new reply to post I was going to just file this away and not post it but since it doesn't contain anything bad, why not post it even though it is incomplete.

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Well maybe it didn't work for Che but to the best of what I know, I believe that Fidel was not very moral when he fought for what he wanted and guess what Fidel did win.

Neither Hitler and worse yet Stalin fought moral wars and committed many atrocities yet they were winners and the only reason Hitler ended up losing the war was because of fighting a two front war, and being a Mental Case.

And lets see if I still remember what I learned of the First American Civil War, the Union were not very nice and committed what most members of this board would consider atrocities and yet some how even though they committed those atrocities they still managed to win against the Confederacy.

Also American Troops during the Second World War committed multiple atrocities and yet we still won.

And a lot of Collateral Damage was inflicted upon the Peoples of France etc and of Japan and yet we still won.

War can not be fought without the extreme risk of some Collateral Damage that is simply the truth.

As to Rick Stanley I do not know the details of what you are referring to, but from what I believe you mean I will say this.

I did not go into details of Infrastructure or a how to attack anything I just stated that, it is something that is done in fighting a Real War. Also as to infrastructure I Stated to only turn it off temporarily and NOT destroy any of it.

During WW2 the Allies destroyed a lot of German and Japanese Infrastructure.

There was even a good Movie about the Brits destroying some German Dams and this movie is based on Fact.


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Taking a third look at what I posted, I guess I should have rephrased it, but I did not go into any details and the reason I posted what I did is due to what I have seen posted on this board.

I am just tired of all the posts on Winning their Hearts and Minds and Morality and how Stopping Shipments of Food or Turning Off the Power to a Enemy Controlled City will lose us support of the people.

Now as to what is posted here being read by Government Agents well what did I really say.

I just stated that we have to do everything that Needs to be done, I did not go into details or even suggested what these Needed Things were. And I didn't because I do not know what all of these needed things will be and I am not going to mention what the things I do know are for a very obvious reason.

Compare my post to posts I have read on the topics of Taking out a Helicopter or Battle Tank or just being a good Sniper plus a lot of other war related things.

One sentence and I am being accused of posting Fed Bait, interesting.

I did not post it looking for any entrapping comments, when I posted it I figured I would get comments more in line with:

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Vader when you lose your morality you lose you support base. morals are beacons for your supporting populace. collateral damage did not work for Che. Or us.
Since I know how the minds of some of the members work as to the issue of Morality in War.

I am getting tired of people wanting to fight for freedom but who refuse to accept the reality of fighting a war.

War is Hell on Earth and a Civil War or Revolution is the Worst Kind of War since it is Citizen vs Citizen or for the coming War Neighbor vs Neighbor and that is just the Truth.

In War shit happens and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Now I will go into a few facts and what if's.

When two sides are shooting at each other it is not only possible but very likely that some of the bullets will miss their intended target.

And since this exchange of gunfire will not be occurring at a shooting Range with a nice safe backstop there is a chance that there will be some thing or some one you don't want to get shot as in an innocent person or non-combatants behind your intended target or the Enemies intended target meaning a freedom fighter. If a Patriot or the Enemy miss then an innocent person who is behind the target may get hit.

So if lets say some Militia gets fired on and behind the Enemy is a School Yard or School Bus with Innocent Children what should that Militia do. Return Fire and and risk Innocent lives or Not Return Fire and risk themselves being killed or captured?

And what if the Innocent Children are behind the Militia and it would be Government Bullets that would kill the Innocent Children?

Somehow I have a feeling that the Government Shooters would not give a Rat's arse for the lives of Innocent Children.

And if Government Troops and their bullets that did do the dirty deed the Media would still put the full blame on the Militia.

We will be damned if we do and damned if we didn't.

These are some of the things we need to seriously need to think about before we decide to actually fight a War, a Shooting War for our Rights and to restore the Constitution.

This is the point of what I posted if you are not willing to go all the way then stay home and leave the fighting to those who have the balls for War.

If you personally are not willing to risk Innocent Lives being lost, then you should forget about Fighting and instead pick up your Bible and Pray that God will win the War for us.

As for me while I have the Balls to do what is needed I will most likely sit this War out.

I have no Family so what happens after I die, is not my concern and right now all I care about is getting my business started, making a lot of money and moving to Arizona and having some horse property and a couple of horses and living in peace for the few good years I have left.

So as long as the Government leaves me alone so I can have what I want they will not have any problems with me.

Another reason I do not intend to fight, is I don't want to put up with the BS of the Militia and what will inevitably happen.

Can anyone say extreme Infighting.

Now if I was in the area and certain members of this board needed help I would be willing to risk it all to help them.

And if I was in the area I may have helped the Bundys but considering it is passed I will not say for certain since now it is too easy to say it, what with no consequences involved as in my death.

Also it is too easy to be a online Hero.

Now Leo on to you.

Leo I did not insult you, but I feel you insulted me. Nice real nice. Maybe I will just start a Do Not Reply To List and you can have the honor of being first on the list.

And I am going to do just that but before I do.

Internet boards are very good protection, since if someone said to me in person that I didn't pass the stink test which infers that I am working for the Government I would tell him “It's plain your looking for trouble, trouble is what I try to shun if that's what you want that's what you’ll get cause Cowboy Were Both Packing Guns

Just in case you misinterpret my meaning which you have done before, I will state that what I stated does not mean I am going to look you up and I am not going to Gunfight you and I am not going to fight you in any other way. I just want to completely avoid any contact or communication with you in any way, that should be enough said on this topic.

One reason I post on this board is to vent some of my anger, which is a good thing and if I can't do that, without running the risk of one of the members stating that my post doesn't pass the stink test or insulting me in other ways, then why bother posting anything on this board. I might as well just type it up and then sherd the paper or since I am using a Computer just file it securely away and never post it which I do quite often.


Now here is some truth for everyone to digest.

In a real War people on both sides get hurt and killed.

Some of these people will be totally innocent.

Some of these people while not totally innocent, they will be non-combatants.

Sometimes to take out an objective the lives of innocent people or non-combatants will be put in jeopardy.

In a War of Freedom Fighters vs the Forces of the Government, if any innocent people or non-combatants get killed, the Government will put the full blame on the Freedom Fighters, regardless of who is actually responsible i.e. which side fired the shots.

And the News Media will make sure the Government's version is what the people are told and the people will believe it.

Now lets think about the Morality of Collateral Damage and of innocent people or Non-combatants being injured or killed.

One issue is, exactly who or what is an innocent person?

My opinion on this is very simple. Everyone who supports the Enemy or actions of the Enemy in any way especially their War effort is NOT an Innocent Person e.g. the German non-combatants who were on the side of Hitlers War, the Japanese non-combatants who worshiped Hirohito.

So in the war that is coming, all the Liberals who believe in the Government's Policies and everyone else who supports in any way the Government in a war against Patriots and this especially includes all the Liberals who have no problem with the Government Banning all guns or even killing all the Gun Owners.


Another issue, is protecting the lives of Non-combatants more important then Winning the War?

One more issue, would we be condemned to hell for permitting Non-combatants to be killed?

Most of us believe that killing children is wrong and against God's Will but yet God Himself ordered the killing of not only Adults both men and women but also women, children and infants.

1 Samuel 15:2-3, God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

I will end this now, I have wasted far too much effort and time on this, which puts no money in my Bank Account.

I have more I could post but if this doesn't make my position clear then nothing will.

Oh Taking a Break from Posting on the Board may be the best thing. But I will continue to read it.

Also there are a few Threads I still have to finish posting on and a few other things I was planning on posting, so I may be around for a little longer but not for too long. Of course things can change so like Bond Never Say Never.


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