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Do not open the door for the JBT #151172
04/06/2010 03:06 PM
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Do not open the door when the police come knocking. If you do then you have given them permission to enter and violate you.

Check out these JBT. No warrant. No ID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOallUDsSzc&feature=popular

I guess objecting to terrorism from the cops makes me a cultist too.



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Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151173
04/08/2010 04:04 PM
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I'm sorry to inform you all but it is legal for a Bail Enforcement Agent to enter any location where he feels that the person on bail or jumped bail may be. Federal Law. He can request that Law Enforcement accompany him in order to keep the peace. You have no say in the matter. Sorry but that is Federal Law.


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Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151174
04/08/2010 04:22 PM
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Might be "legal" but if they enter the wrong address...all bets are off.


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Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151175
04/09/2010 04:14 PM
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Taylor v. Taintor IIRC allows them to only enter the surety's (fugative) property without a warrant if the surety has waived those rights as part of his release but they must gain permission from any third party or any other location since those people did not sign away their rights.

I assume this is what happened here from their trickery, lies and deception. They refused to show a warrant and refused to identify themselves. A "crime" which puts regular people into jail.

If the women wouldn't of opened the door they probably wouldn't of been able to get in or they would have to of kicked the door in.

Once you open the door to talk to the police you've given them permission to come in. Talk to them through the door without opening it. The cop even tells her she opened the door he can come in.

If unidentified people are breaking through your front door you have to guess whether they are good or bad guys.



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Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151176
04/09/2010 04:40 PM
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It wasn't the fugitives residence. In fact he hadn't lived there for 2 months. Also opening a door was not an invite to search and she stood her ground and stated they were not welcome. Also even if she invited them in by the act of opening the door the officers who gained entrance by force on the back door were not invited in. Just because the people were friends would mean all of the fugitives friends would fall under this warrant less search whatever. The only case were they would legally be able to enter warrant less is if they had the home under surveillance and knew for a fact the fugitive was in fact on the premise which was obviously not the case... That is also why there is an internal affairs investigation as we speak on the conduct of the officers involved.

The women is a little nuts in my opinion from watching a bunch of her videos but I find no flaw in the execution of her rights. She was violated I hope she gets a hefty settlement and those who violated her rights are dismissed and the leo department learns to work within the constitution. I also hope the sheriff is not re-elected after the embarrassment he allowed in in his jurisdiction and forfeiture of tax-payer dollars...

Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151177
04/11/2010 04:07 PM
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Remember hefty settlement means WE pay in taxes not the offenders :-(



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Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151178
04/12/2010 10:17 AM
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IF YOU ARE ARRESTED OR CONFRONTED BY THE POLICE:

1. FIRST, ask to call your lawyer.

2. Be courteous; do not resist.

3. Do not consent to search or entry.

4. Do not talk about anything; do not admit OR DENY anything.

5. Ask if you are free to go. If you are, GO.


What NOT To Do - When Federal Agents Come Knocking
A Treatise Carl F. Worden
This treatise is in no way meant as a criticism of Larken Rose or his legal position on the Tax Code. But it is an excellent example of why a citizen of today should not cooperate in any way with law enforcement officers of any kind, and in particular, with federal agents. It doesn't matter if they are asking for your help as a possible witness or just for information -- or they consider you a suspect of some kind. Because so many people try to talk their way out of an initial law enforcement contact situation, they go to prison. Most cops will admit that 70% of the people in prison today wouldn't be there if they'd just kept their mouths shut.

Best example: Martha Stewart. Stewart was not convicted of stock trading fraud; she was convicted of lying to a federal investigator -- which is a federal crime.

How do you avoid such a charge? Don't talk to a federal investigator of any kind, for any reason, ever, on or off the record. It's always on the record.

Worden's Rule 1: Stick your tongue between your teeth and bite down until the blood flows. Do not admit to anything. Especially, do not deny anything. Remain mute, no matter how long they try to drag the interview out. Even if an attorney representing you is present, say nothing unless in the privacy of his/her office.

They will show you evidence that you did something. You will be tempted beyond most human ability to resist to explain that evidence away. Don't do it. Don't agree to any kind of test, be it polygraph, blood test or even taking your fingerprints unless they force it upon you, but through it all, remain silent.

They will tell you somebody said something incriminating about you, or that you were somewhere or that they said you were doing something or did something. Remain silent. Do not admit to or deny anything. If they ask you how you're feeling, say nothing. If they ask you if it's raining and you know it is coming down like Noah's Flood, say nothing.

Worden's Rule 2: Force the law enforcement agents to work only with the evidence they have. Do not allow your attorney or yourself to provide them with any defense you plan to use if you are charged with a crime unless and until you are in court and testifying to a jury -- if that is necessary or wise at all. That way, they have to guess what defense you plan to use, which makes it much more difficult for a prosecutor to prepare the case they have against you.

Never speak to anyone, especially a cellmate in jail, about your case and how innocent or guilty you are. Remain absolutely silent on the matter, and especially during telephone conversations. Law enforcement officers largely depend on suspects to try to talk their way out of a situation so they don't have to spend time in jail. When they do talk, everything they say gives the law enforcement agent places to go, places to look, people to talk to, etc., and that additional input often is what lands the suspect in prison, guilty or not. Law enforcement agents will tell you they are only trying to eliminate you as a suspect. You will be tempted to help them. Don't do it. Stay absolutely silent no matter how guilty they will say it makes you look.

Wordens Rule 3: If you are charged with a crime, the only time it counts for you to offer an explanation is in front of the judge or jury hearing your case -- and in most cases like that, it is still better you don't testify at all because when you do you can be cross-examined by the prosecution.

Worden's Rule 4: Never allow your attorney or yourself to waive your right to a speedy trial. Prosecutors and investigators use the time you are waiting for trial to develop more evidence against you. By demanding your constitutional right to a speedy trial, you shorten the time they have to build a stronger case against you. You reduce the time a witness might be identified or located to testify against you. If they proceed with prosecuting you with the shoddy evidence they have and you are acquitted, they cannot try you again for the same crime, even if you walk out of the courthouse after an acquittal and admit to the press you did it!

Look at what happened to Scott Peterson. Not only did he talk to the Modesto cops, he allowed interviews with reporters that were later used to paint him a liar. Had Peterson remained absolutely silent, no matter how guilty it might have made him look, a lot of the "liar" evidence used to convict him would never have been made available to the prosecution and the jury. Getting back to the feds: The federal government made it a crime to merely lie to a federal investigator.

For that reason and that reason alone, don't talk to a federal investigator, ever, about anything. They enacted and enforce that law, so it is best for every citizen not to speak to a federal investigator about anything, ever. They can't charge you with lying to them if you haven't spoken to them.

Get it?


"A state that does not control its borders or military forces and has no revenue, simply cannot exist."
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Yegor Gaidar, director of the Institute for Economies in Transition in Moscow; acting prime minister of Russia, 1991-1994.
Re: Do not open the door for the JBT #151179
04/12/2010 10:21 AM
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By the way, I keep a modified version of the above in my wallet, and my wife has one as well, along with lawyer numbers, etc.


"A state that does not control its borders or military forces and has no revenue, simply cannot exist."
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Yegor Gaidar, director of the Institute for Economies in Transition in Moscow; acting prime minister of Russia, 1991-1994.

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