http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/family-95100-city-woman.html

7:45pm census worker comes to the women's private property asking questions not required in the Consitution.

Women has gun on her and sissy census worker tells her supervisors who call cops.

Remember this is this women's private property and she can carry a gun all she wants. This census worker was there late in the day and only a week or so since a census worker raped a women while doing his job.

Supervisors call cops. Cops come and man opens door holding a weapon. He answers their questions and old women comes up holding her shotgun. Cops order the women on her own property where they are tresspassers same as the census worker to drop her gun. She doesn't and gets shot by the police. She never fired. They fired first and murdered her. To add insult to injury after they murder the old lady they arrest the man standing in the doorway. Cops wait 7 hours to tell the family they executed their oved one and get a paid vacation for killing another civilian.

You are allowed to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force! Private property is just that! The police (who lie) investigate the police (who lie).

Maybe there is a quota for killing citizens this month or something?

The comments show how far this nation has fallen. These are the kinds of people who inhabit your neighborhoods.


That said though, the link you provide does not verify your post.
According to the story, she pointed the shotgun at officers and held it on them. That is going to get you shot everytime.

The story didn't say anything about a census worker raping anyone either.

7 hours?
Takes a little bit to get everyone's stories together and CYA.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Keep us informed please.

My prayers go to the family of the fallen. We will have to see what the facts are before condeming the officers, but my belief is that the Census worker needs fired and sued. Regardless of what they feel their rights are when they get a pay check from Uncle Sugar, if they are instructed to leave, they are trespassing. If the lady told the worker to leave and the worker (probably did) refused to leave and she got a gun, then the fault of this whole incident is on the head of the Census worker and his/her superiors.

I hold judgement against the officers only until the facts of the case are reviewed. Depending on thier demeanor and the escalation of events, the shooting may or, more likely, may not have been warranted. I bet that the officers are found to have acted in accordance with SOP, but the initial facts point to the contrary. And the amount of time it took to call people and the fact they are holding a prisoner without bail... CYA all over this.

This is a clear case of murder.

"Withhold judgment"???

Bullshit. The law is clear.
The Cop is guilty of Murder and of Violating civil rights under the Color of Law.

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting
officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This
premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the
case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the
officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally
accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right
to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What
may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter
in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been
committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without
affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction,
and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the
arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will
be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111.
491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v.
Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau,
241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an
arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by
the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private
individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State,
26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State,
43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to
be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in
defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and
battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case,
the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer
and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v.
Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as
he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus
it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an
officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without
resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In
his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which
the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various
branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be
no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the
Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded,
‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by
human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in
extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous
injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford
University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the
case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.

As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable,
and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of
the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the
peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy
v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

Was a different census worker.

Census worker rape

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-women-raped-by-census-worker-051110,0,3578244.story

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Burglary-and-rape-arrest-in-Pekin-Indiana-93240824.html

All the government needs to know is how many people live here. Anything more leads to them coming to your house and asking about how big your truck is, military service and anything else that they have no purpose in knowing.

Not enough facts to decide what the officers did. A lot of times they respond to a call, not really to arrest right away, just to check things out. After all, they were called in. It appears, from the story, they showed up to a woman aiming a shotgun at them, and took direct threat. They WILL shoot someone for that. Right now, giving the facts, it seems the real blame should be on the census worker and the supervisor for calling in the cops.

Is anybody else getting sick and tired of hearing about cops killing innocent people on there own property. This is getting to be the NORM,I believe we are heading for a major backlash against the JBT's. They are going to kill the wrong granny or child and there is going to be a cop massacre, MARK MY WORDS, SEMPER FI

The only thing I am wondering is why it has not happened yet.

You are totally correct it will happen and I believe it will happen fairly soon. And since they can only hang you once you might as well take as many with you as you can.

Well from what is being reported lately,Facts speaking for themselves.
It's starting to look as if an individual actualy tries to use their constitutional rights and stand up for what is lawful and the system says the constitution is irrelivent, when and where we say.
You now run the risk of termination?

That is the result they probably want.

Hegelian Dialect.

Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. Create the problem, demonstrate the problem, offer only your solutions to the problem.

They squeeze and oppress citizens with the police who are not held accountable for their actions while acting in their LEO capacity.

People get sick of that BS and realize they might as well shoot as talk since the outcome is the same.

Then the government shows how "dangerous" all of us are having guns and thinking for ourselves and bans firearms and jails those guilty of thought crime (such as Hutaree).

They have done the same thing with gun ownership. They ban guns which keeps law-abiding citizens from defending themselves. Crime increases since it is a safe working environment. Government states need to ban more guns since crime explodes with defenseless sheep.

I get when cops have a gun aimed at them they shoot. That makes since. If I have one pulled on me I will shoot too, but the issue I see is the fact that the cops came at all. Below is why they said they came.

"A U.S. Census worker "had been confronted by residents who pointed a firearm at the worker and said they would not answer any questions and closed the door," said police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey."


The people were on their private property. They didn't open fire. They just told the census worker to leave while and they had firearms. Both of these actions are legal on their property.

Some of you guys are saying the census people are at fault which they might be to a certain extent but civilians dont know all the laws they might have thought what happened to them was a crime.

The cops should have heard the issue and said there is no reason for us to go there. The only reason they would have been justified in coming is if the residents called saying the census worker wouldnt leave their property.

Pcosmar,

If having the gun is what caused her to get shot, when then didn't the man who answered the door with a handgun get shot? They arrested him, yes, but he isnt dead, now answer why. What did he do that was different? Why did she get shot and not him? Why didn't he return fire when they shot?

There are questions to be answered. Unless you were on the lawn watching the situation or have the video recording of what occured, your talking about the "innocent until proven guilty" clause being thrown out just because they had a badge and she was on her property. Were they there to arrest her? We don't know, it wasn't mentioned in the article if they were there to arrest anyone, therefor it is an assumption. Were they there to commit an autrocity? Probably not. They probably came out to find out what happened and why. Not all cops are bad, not all cops are good. Becareful how people are lumped together, or your just playing thier game.

Now I am sure theres a lot of CYA on the officers and the Census parts right now. But to say that the officers reacted to the situation incorrectly, how do you know for certain? From the sound of it, you were there. If that is true, please reveal all the facts. If not, find out what happened first, get the facts from all sides, then decide what really happened. These types of early reports often are scetchy, and ill prepared.

Right now, the only clear thing is the Census Burea worker and supervisors were idiots and caused a situation that should have never happened.

Remember the only side we will ever hear is the JBT side.

Police have a funny habit of lying when it comes to protecting themselves from their misconduct.

The only "proof" she pointed a gun comes from the 2 people who murdered her.

She might of been armed with a broom.

Amadou Diallo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo

Bernard Monroe
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-race-shootings-webmar13,0,7686526.story

TR, please note I said ALL sides. We haven't heard the side from the only witness, who also had a gun, but wasn't shot. Unfortunately he is in custody without bail, and who knows if that will be recinded during arraingment.

That's how you intimidate him, attempt to silence and obfuscate the truth for the MSM propaganda machine.


I'm reserving judgment to a degree but why was he arrested? Doesn't sound like he did ANYTHING.

No it doesn't. Having a gun on your property isn't illegal. Answering unconstitutional questions isn't illegal. So what did he do?

Thats a good question, they say "Patterson was arrested on suspicion of assault with a weapon on a police officer..." but they don't say there was any form of return fire... so did he pistol whip them?

Regardless of if they intimidate him or not though, it gives them the chance to throw a story out and taint the public one way before he can get his side out. I want to hear what what he has to say...

No problem. I was just thinking out loud, lol

A little more, but no answers.
http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/police-95249-vasselin-biscotti.html

That census worker was a government worker-that makes them god to us.

That woman dared to bare arms against her god. Not being authorized by massah the census god called up backup-some tin badge gods who now are on paid vacation pending the whitewash "investigation". Already these heroes are planning how to spend their days drinking, maybe scoring some drugs, brag to their fellow gods on how they took care of business.

Yes the beast wants people to shoot back to make excuses to the slaves on why they have to give up the privilege of owning guns.

Convince Americans to change the local government and kick out these thieves and murderers? It'd be nice if people got smart and did more of that and less of hunting fresh Jefferson quotes...

So barring an infusion of smarts it's a no win situation. So how do we lose?

Shit! I'm still waiting for Lon Horiuchi to go to prison for murdering Vicky Weaver. I think these feds must have a quota to kill civillians or maybe it's their version of a hunting license.
When is this shit gonna stop? Ya, I know, it stops when we the people grow the balls to make it stop and hold these bastards accountable for their crimes.

If people did stand up for liberty and resist they would be demonized as the next Adolph Hitler.

Look at the attack Hutaree received for a not even round-a-bout comment about JBT. Imagine the hell a patriot would receive from gun owners alone.