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Uprising in Mexico #152871
05/09/2011 12:20 PM
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The news is all about the "Arab spring" in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain, and Tunisia. Well, maybe we should be paying more attention to this one .

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On Sunday thousands of Mexicans marched in the capital, Mexico City, to demand an end to the “war on drug trafficking” launched by President Felipe Calderón. They view it is an absurd war that has cost 40,000 lives. Similar protests were held across the country.

The March for Peace With Justice and Dignity that culminated in the capital made demands on the authorities and on the criminal gangs to put an end to the violence. The protesters think that organised crime has infiltrated the government and that there is now a “co‑opted state” – a “rotten state”. The war on drug trafficking “is not supported” by the people, according to the Catholic bishop Raúl Vera. The protests are supported by the Catholic church. “We Mexicans must shout a categorical ‘stop!’,” said the Mexican Episcopate Council.

Calderón’s government has reacted negatively to the protests. The public security minister, Genaro García Luna, said it was “unthinkable” that the fight against the cartels might be wrong. Calderón boasted that he had “the law, reason and force” on his side.
The problem is, President Obama has been groveling to president Calderon since Obama came into office. In September of last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said

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These drug cartels are now showing more and more indices of insurgency; all of a sudden, car bombs show up which weren’t there before. It’s looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago, where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country, not significant parts.
As you might suspect, Calderon went ballistic. President Obama went of Spanish language television to assure the people that Secretary Clinton didn't know what she was talking about. In turn, Calderon had praise for Obama :

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I think the one who best-corrected Secretary of State Clinton was President Obama, and he did it very well. In Colombia, not just 20 years ago, but still now, there are parts of the territory that are controlled, dominated by and governed precisely by criminals and guerrilla forces. In Mexico there are NO parts of the territory in the hands of criminals.”

“It is very painful for Mexico that such careless statements are made … so careless, not responsible, as those by Secretary of State Clinton, because they damage Mexico’s image terribly. Yes, we have problems; yes, we have some things. I think the main thing in common with Colombia is that we are both countries that suffer the results of drug use in the United States. Both countries are victims of the enormous American consumption of drugs and now, in addition, of an exacerbated sale of arms from American industry.
Clinton kept her job, but the U.S. Ambassador to Mexico, Carlos Pascual, was forced to resign after pointing out that only 2% of those arrested in Ciudad Juarez were ever actually charged with a crime and prosecuted.

Gary Johnson, in the debate last week, pointed out that 90% of the problems associated with drugs were related to prohibition. Yeah, I know, alot of people consider him a goofball. Well, maybe people ought to start paying attention.

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Re: Uprising in Mexico #152872
05/09/2011 03:21 PM
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There's a civil war going on in Mexico, but nobody will admit it. Its the elephant in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge.


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Re: Uprising in Mexico #152873
05/09/2011 04:28 PM
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Yep. Mexico is very close to becoming a failed state . By some measures, it's there already.

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What marks the difference between a MODERATE and a SUSTAINABLE nation?

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Originally posted by Red River Ranger:
What marks the difference between a MODERATE and a SUSTAINABLE nation?
I'm not sure how Foreign Policy came up with that ranking. It's interesting, though, that they have Canada as more stable that the U.S. I just have no idea what criteria they used.

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Yeah, I noticed that myself, and I did a double take. I would really like to see their numbers on that.

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Well, if we think the illegal alien problem is bad now, wait until their country takes a crap.

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Well, if we think the illegal alien problem is bad now, wait until their country takes a crap.
You know, that brings up an interesting philosophical question: At what point does it become immoral to deport illegal immigrants back to Mexico?

I think we can all agree it would have been wrong to deport Jewish immigrants back to nazi Germany in the 1930's. And when refugees braved mine fields and machine guns to escape East Germany and Czechoslovakia during the Cold War, they were greeted with open arms. Just how bad do conditions in Mexico have to be, before we stop sending refugees back there? Any thoughts?

Yeah, I know. I get in trouble every time I bring this up. But this is what happens when you have a free market anarchist hanging around.

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05/10/2011 03:20 PM
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They're already crapping.


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Considering the United States now gets more oil out of Mexico and Canada than Saudi Arabia, one would think that fixing the crisis in Mexico would be MORE important than continuing the wars overseas, and maybe cheaper as well...


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