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SWAT Practice on Real People #153371 09/12/2011 03:34 PM 09/12/2011 03:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 23,924 Tulsa airforce OP Administrator
airforce OP Administrator Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 23,924 Tulsa	Radley Balko found this article in Tactical Response magazine, apparently a magazine for military and SWAT people. Note this incredible passage: Quote Team commanders must raise the profile of their teams. Stay active. Yes, I mean do warrant service and drug raids even if you have to poach the work. First, your team needs the training time under true callout conditions. If all your team does is train, but seldom deploy, you will end up training just to train. You need to train to fight. You already know that. Second, make SWAT familiar to senior police staff. Everyone fears the unknown. Don�t let SWAT be that unknown. Make deploying SWAT something that is routine, not something only done after much hand-wringing. �Oh, no! You mean we have to call SWAT? Oh, I don�t know, I just don�t know. Really? Call SWAT? Really?� Yes, you should have clear guidelines for activating the team. But how many times has the callout of a part-time team been delayed or denied when those callout criteria were met? We really do need to explain that SWAT is less of a threat than the people in the calls we are responding to�you know, those vewy, vewy bad people. I have to admit, that almost made my eyeballs explode. The author is saying that SWAT commanders should urge that their teams be deployed in situations for which they normally wouldn�t be to ensure they�re in good practice for when a "real" situation comes along. Um, what's wrong with this picture? Well, for one thing, people die in these SWAT raids. Haven't I posted enough articles here to illustrate that basic concept? There are living, breathing people on the other ends of these raids. I have lost count of how many articles I've posted about women, children, elderly people, the developmentally disabled, and just plain ordinary people who lived at the wrong address, who needlessly lost their lives in these SWAT raids. And, yes, I've posted articles about officers who also lost their lives for no reason. But here is the author, Ed Sanow, arguing for more of the same. Because SWAT teams need practice in the "real world." Onward and upward, airforce

Re: SWAT Practice on Real People #153372 09/13/2011 02:06 AM 09/13/2011 02:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,401 In the Mountains N North Force Senior Member
North Force Senior Member N Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,401 In the Mountains	Maybe its time we start training against them. Karma is a MO-FO. Ed Sanow Editorial Director LAW and ORDER Tactical Response Police Fleet Manager esanow@hendonpub.com Phone: (800) 843-9764 x28 Yesenia Salcedo Managing Editor ysalcedo@hendonpub.com Phone: (800) 843-9764 x30 Henry Kingwill Group Publisher henry@hendonpub.com Phone: (800) 843-9764 x22 "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." ~ Brock Chisholm, when director of UN World Health Organization

Re: SWAT Practice on Real People #153373 09/13/2011 02:23 AM 09/13/2011 02:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,317 Central Virginia; VIM S SBL Senior Member
SBL Senior Member S Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,317 Central Virginia; VIM	What he suggests is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible. When I was a police officer, our job was to defuse the situation, NOT escalate it. If I were a cop on a SWAT or equivalent team, I would refuse to risk my life because some jackass MIGHT have a couple chemicals he's not supposed to have in his house. BTW, we have gleaned some really good info from Tactical Response Magazine, so the training does go both ways. We've learned to train as they do, but under our rules of engagement, not theirs. It looks like there are a lot of comments ridiculing the writer. Here's one I especially like: This article is indicative of everything that is wrong with the rise and prevalence of paramilitary SWAT. 1. An apparent belief that american citizens are the enemy. 2. Use of force in situations that do not warrant it. 3. Abuse of police power. 4. The sheer number of SWAT teams, far beyond anything required. 5. Complete lack of self awareness and the view the public holds of unnecessary police force and abuse. 6. Tough guy mentality by wanna bes that cant hack it in the real world military. One of the principle tenets of terrorism is to cause the government to oppress its own people so they grow to resent and desire to overthrow that government. It seems to be working quite well in the U.S. because of people like Sanow. This is dysfunctional policing. It needs to stop and now. On equipment: You get what you inspect, not what you expect. On training: Our drills are bloodless battles so that our battles are bloody drills. On tactics: Cheating just means you're serious about winning.

Re: SWAT Practice on Real People #153374 09/13/2011 02:38 AM 09/13/2011 02:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,317 Central Virginia; VIM S SBL Senior Member
SBL Senior Member S Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,317 Central Virginia; VIM	Also, you can request a free sample of their magazine on the Tactical Response website. On equipment: You get what you inspect, not what you expect. On training: Our drills are bloodless battles so that our battles are bloody drills. On tactics: Cheating just means you're serious about winning.

Re: SWAT Practice on Real People #153375 09/13/2011 07:50 AM 09/13/2011 07:50 AM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 951 TX - DAL P Pericles Member
Pericles Member P Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 951 TX - DAL	Quote Originally posted by SBL: What he suggests is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible. When I was a police officer, our job was to defuse the situation, NOT escalate it. If I were a cop on a SWAT or equivalent team, I would refuse to risk my life because some jackass MIGHT have a couple chemicals he's not supposed to have in his house. BTW, we have gleaned some really good info from Tactical Response Magazine, so the training does go both ways. We've learned to train as they do, but under our rules of engagement, not theirs. It looks like there are a lot of comments ridiculing the writer. Here's one I especially like: This article is indicative of everything that is wrong with the rise and prevalence of paramilitary SWAT. 1. An apparent belief that american citizens are the enemy. 2. Use of force in situations that do not warrant it. 3. Abuse of police power. 4. The sheer number of SWAT teams, far beyond anything required. 5. Complete lack of self awareness and the view the public holds of unnecessary police force and abuse. 6. Tough guy mentality by wanna bes that cant hack it in the real world military. One of the principle tenets of terrorism is to cause the government to oppress its own people so they grow to resent and desire to overthrow that government. It seems to be working quite well in the U.S. because of people like Sanow. This is dysfunctional policing. It needs to stop and now. That comment summed it all up very nicely. "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson www.dallascitytroop.org

Re: SWAT Practice on Real People #153376 09/13/2011 09:54 AM 09/13/2011 09:54 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,535 somewhere-where am I? J J. Croft Member
J. Croft Member J Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,535 somewhere-where am I?	I wrote and compiled a lot of information on how to deal with these tools: http://www.scribd.com/doc/51729720/SECOND-AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-VICTORY-GUIDE-2-0 Be your own leader freedomguide.blogspot.com freedomguide.wordpress.com youtube.com/user/freedomguide

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