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What Is the REAL Unemployment Rate? #156894
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We all have a feeling the "official" unemployment rate of 6.7% is wrong, but what is the real figure?

Well, The Federalist has the answer, and it's not pretty. When you factor in the millions of people who have dropped out of the labor force completely, the figure is closer to 11%:

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That, folks, is one scary chart.

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U6 number is 37%


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U6 number is 37%
Sorry brother your U6 Number is too high.

The Actual U6 number was 13.1% for Dec and the highest for last year was 14.4% for Jan last year.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm


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only 63% are active in the U.S. workforce, leaving 37% .

it is probably worse than that but painful as it is.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...out-labor-force-and-send-unemployment-pl

First, the labor force participation rate, which plunged from 63.2% to 62.8% - the lowest since 1978!

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only 63% are active in the U.S. workforce, leaving 37% .
You may indeed be correct about 37% not being in the Workforce, but not being in the Workforce is not the same as the U6 Number.

There is a specific calculation or set of calculations that is used to compute the U6 Number and just subtracting 63% from 100% is not part of the Calculation.

Calculating the Unemployment rate by simply Subtracting 63% from 100% and saying that what is left in this case 37% is the Unemployment Rate is not Logical.

What about people who are Retired, they are not part of the Workforce but should they really be considered to be unemployed and then there are the people who don't want to work and receive Welfare should they be considered to be unemployed?

It all depends on what you consider Unemployment to be and or your definition of Unemployment.

If your definition of Unemployment is, anyone who doesn't work, regardless of reason that is one thing, but if willingness to work or ability to work or being retired is taken into consideration then that is a totally different thing.


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This area, Okanogan county Washington state, is devastated, high skilled highly experienced people can not earn a living, ranchers with fully own operations can not make ends meet.

I care less about some shitbag criminal's called politicians lie about, right now tis area is in serious trouble and it makes a difference, this is the largest county in the state and a major food producer.

We got problems.


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The security business here in Tulsa has been in the doldrums for a while now. Many apartment complexes that used to hire a security officer for the night hours, are now contracting for mobile patrols that drive through the complex two or three times a night. Obviously, it's not nearly as effective as having an officer there all night, but it's all they can afford.

We'd like to give all of the employees 40 hours, but the work just isn't there. I don't know how they get by on just 32 to 35 hours a week, but that's the best we can do. And these people are counted in the statistics as employed full time. It's miserable, and not improving.

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My dad and brother farm in central Nebraska and they can't find people WILLING to work... It is so easy to get paid to NOT work. Plus the farm work is hard work in bad conditions.

It used to be that people would be grateful for the work, and would work extra hard to hopefully earn more work. Our government has made the poor soft, lazy, weak and ungrateful.


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I am or used to be a Computer Programmer and the reason I was unemployed was due to my Work going to India etc.

H. Ross Perot was totally correct about the sucking sound of our jobs going south of the border.

Why should I or anyone else, be forced to take a low paying job doing hard farm work and taking orders from people who don't have nearly my intelligence, when the reason I can't get the work I am very good at is due to our corrupt government.

I have never worked with my hands I have always done work using my mind, usually sitting down.

Currently I am self-employed as a Photographer and I have a few other things going for me that will enable me to move to Arizona and to have all the things like horses, motorcycles and fast cars that are important to me, unless I run into some really bad luck.

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It used to be that people would be grateful for the work, and would work extra hard to hopefully earn more work. Our government has made the poor soft, lazy, weak and ungrateful.
By the way this topic is about the UNEMPLOYED and not about the LAZY welfare class who may actually be LAZY but people who actually want to work should not be called LAZY just because they are unwilling to do farm work etc.


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I am tired and I shouldn't really be posting right now, so sorry Huskerpatriot if my previous post seemed a little harsh.

If I am in the mood I will post more on this subject latter today.

One thing I will be posting about is that we all better get ready to enter a Brave New World where few people will work and most people will stay at home or just enjoy their lives without having to work. And this will be a very good thing for everyone.


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Huskerpatriot, I used to work on a ranch/farm in Sidney Mt. I worked 7 days a week in the conditions you briefly spoke of. I have farmed on and off most of my life. I don't think its people being lazy. It s more like they don't make any money for the hours worked. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze kind of thing.

It may be for the owners, just not for the ranch hands. The other thing that most do not know is, you never get a day off to do anything. Cant make plans with the wife and kids. Most farm or ranch operations pay a monthly salary. Not hourly. Then when you get old and cannot deliver like you once could, then your gone with nothing. Thats why help in hard to find in agriculture. The work is satisfying,but the pay is not.


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The point I'm trying to make is that the federal government is growing the welfare class (DMC voter registration drive paid for by federal debt) by allowing the unemployed class to grow... Perpetually extending benefits and doing nothing to help jobs return to our country, muchless keep them here.

Why would they? The longer people suffer, the more they become victims that the dems so love to protect. Even solid conservatives if stuck in poverty for long enough... The schools and media will poison their will to work and strive... Soon they or most certainly their kids will be Kool- aid slurping zombies in a generations time.

The work my family is looking for by the way is not the ranch hand you speak of... I know what you mean. We are talking about the sporadic 3-4 hours labor to move irrigation pipe, drive a grain wagon, fix fence... My dad used to have 4 boys on the farm, now just 1. Some jobs require 3 hands. My dad is now elderly and SHOULD not be doing 90% of what he does. My nephew is only 10, and he to should not be doing 90% of what he does. My dad will ask people he knows need money to help, offer decent money.

He can't outbid their sugar daddy that is paying them to NOT work.

We are running out of time, the next generation... (My kids) they are screwed.


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One of my first jobs was chopping firewood, for $3 a cord. In a 12-hour day on a Saturday I could chop 5 or 6 cords, if I didn't waste too much time talking with the boss' daughter. That might not sound like much, but it sure beat the $1/hour minimum wage. And it sure as heck beat working on a hog feeder farm, which was my first job.

That might not sound like much, until you realize I was paid with silver certificates, and coins that had real silver and real copper in them. And back in the days when gas was 18 cents a gallon, that was real money. And trapping season was when I made my real money.

(My Dad thought I was grossly overpaid. He was happy to make a dollar a cord for chopping wood, back in the Depression. And lest you think we enjoyed that idyllic lifestyle, there was a reason we both volunteered for the military as soon as we were old enough, even with wars going on.)

The point I'm trying to make is, there's nothing wrong with hard work, even if it is hard, dirty, and unpleasant. Trust me, the wars my Dad and I fought in were a lot harder, dirtier, and way more unpleasant.

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Good examples... You and your family knew how to, and were willing work your a$$es of to feed your families, and with any good luck maybe get ahead. It was up to you.

Today a kid in that same situation would not bother with that level of hard work. We are now several generations from a population that knows how to work and is not afraid to suffer if that is what it takes.


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We are now several generations from a population that knows how to work and is not afraid to suffer if that is what it takes.
Oh, there's still plenty of people willing to do that kind of work, but we keep deporting them. Personally, I think we're deporting the wrong people, but I get in trouble whenever I bring up that subject.

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I grew up around a farm. All of us, kids, cousins and uncles worked. We were self sufficient and knew how to get by.

Most of the farms are gone now...squeezed out when the factories moved in and everyone went to town to work. When grandpa died all the kids sold the family farms for easy cash.

Now, that all the factories have been 'deported', people have nothing to fall back on.

The young kids, for the most part, wouldn't work in a pie factory. The few farmers left are holding on by a thread and hiring the only people who still know how to work...Mexicans.


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[img]http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-emp.gif?hl=ad&t=1389365936[/img]

For years I've looked to ShadowStats for more reliable numbers on the economy (unemployment, inflation, etc). I think his numbers are a little more accurate and more what I have experienced. Detailed reports are subscription based, but some basic indicators are free to the public.

Shadowstats.com

He puts unemployment at about 23.5% right now, almost one quarter.

Inflation he calculates (using how they calculated CPI in 1980) at 8-9%, which my wallet can witness to.


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Thanks for that link. I'll have to check it out.


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I wonder what affect the "oil boom" is having on those numbers? I would like to see the breakdown by state.


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COVER UP – UNEMPLOYMENT 30% – WORSE...an-great-depression/#sSUuSD2zegQOLGIj.99 " target="_blank">http://investmentwatchblog.com/cover-up-unemployment-30-worse-than-great-depression/#sSUuSD2zegQOLGIj.99[/URL]

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Huge conspiracy has been perpetrated on the American people, nay, on the world. Economy now worse than great depression which brought WW2 on the scene. Is this all leading to WW3? In 1929 the unemployment rate in America was 25 %, it is now over 30 %, especially if you consider we are not even counting 15 million Mexican Americans, That would make the figures possibly 40 %. Those now living in Poverty in America are now over this percent as it would be insane to assume those with work were not living in poverty. Those with work are 30 to 40 % then the one working but in poverty would be much higher. The number of people making over 250,000 dollars now is only 2 % of the population, there are no rich anymore, only those very small of the elite who control us all!!!!!! They are the few at the top, less than 1 percent, maybe 300 families.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/cove...an-great-depression/#sSUuSD2zegQOLGIj.99


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I think it is highly possible and more likely that the shadow stat chart above and Strats video are way closer to reality. From where I'm sitting, its real. The next question we have to ask is. At this rate, how long can we last?


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At this rate, how long can we last?
If I can figure out how to word it, I'll include that question in the next AWRM poll. (And if you have any other poll questions, I'm open for suggestions.)

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Huskerpatriot, I used to work on a ranch/farm in Sidney Mt. I worked 7 days a week in the conditions you briefly spoke of. I have farmed on and off most of my life. I don't think its people being lazy. It s more like they don't make any money for the hours worked. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze kind of thing.

It may be for the owners, just not for the ranch hands. The other thing that most do not know is, you never get a day off to do anything. Cant make plans with the wife and kids. Most farm or ranch operations pay a monthly salary. Not hourly. Then when you get old and cannot deliver like you once could, then your gone with nothing. Thats why help in hard to find in agriculture. The work is satisfying,but the pay is not.
That's been my observation. They really rig it as a win/ lose situation a lot of the time. What Strat speaks of, in that area, the people with the established wealth will work overtime to screw over and exploit others in order to get then maintain the upper hand.

It is a pretty blatant attitude people will have to lie, threaten and demand to end up with the situation where others are in desperation then dictate terms and wages ( like salary with long hours being functionally below minimum wage) . Trucking is all fucked up right now but has been for a while. That said, people are crawling out of the bad old ways by utilizing sites and services like UShip.com

I have made several videos discussing the subject. Locally I pay $15hr cash up to $20 plus lunch and don't have any problem at all getting good people, but that is pirate remodel work. The pricks who go crying about not being able to find people are going through temp agencies that Bill $25 HR but pay the workers $10, then wonder why the workers have an attitude.


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Blame the laws of economics. There is no difference between a carrot or apple grown in your state, and a carrot or apple grown in Honduras, or Chile. The next time you go to the grocery store, check the produce to see where it came from.

Farm work has always meant low pay. A century ago, people were complaining about low wages, and the high rents tenant farmers had to pay. (The Green Country Rebellion here in Oklahoma was almost a 100 years ago.)

I'm not arguing for tariffs on foreign-grown produce, by any means. But getting rid of the minimum wage, the Department of Agriculture, and the Food and Drug Administration, would certainly help.

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The real unemployment rate is 37.2%. So says influential Wall Street advisor David John Marotta, who calls the official government numbers a fraud.

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Don't believe the happy talk coming out of the White House, Federal Reserve and Treasury Department when it comes to the real unemployment rate and the true “Misery Index.” Because, according to an influential Wall Street advisor, the figures are a fraud.

In a memo to clients provided to Secrets, David John Marotta calculates the actual unemployment rate of those not working at a sky-high 37.2 percent, not the 6.7 percent advertised by the Fed, and the Misery Index at over 14, not the 8 claimed by the government.

Marotta, who recently advised those worried about an imploding economy to get a gun, said that the government isn't being honest in how it calculates those out of the workforce or inflation, the two numbers used to get the Misery Index figure.

“The unemployment rate only describes people who are currently working or looking for work,” he said. That leaves out a ton more.

“Unemployment in its truest definition, meaning the portion of people who do not have any job, is 37.2 percent. This number obviously includes some people who are not or never plan to seek employment. But it does describe how many people are not able to, do not want to or cannot find a way to work. Policies that remove the barriers to employment, thus decreasing this number, are obviously beneficial,” he and colleague Megan Russell in their new investors note from their offices in Charlottesville, Va.

They added that “officially-reported unemployment numbers decrease when enough time passes to discourage the unemployed from looking for work. A decrease is not necessarily beneficial; an increase is clearly detrimental.”

Then there is the Misery Index, which is a calculation based in inflation and unemployment, both numbers the duo say are underscored by the government. He said that the Index doesn’t properly calculate how Uncle Sam is propping up the economy with bond purchases and other actions.

“These tricks, along with a host of other dubious accounting schemes, underreport inflation by about 3 percent,” they wrote, adding that the official inflation rate is just 1.24 percent.

“Today, the Misery Index would be 7.54 using official numbers,” they wrote. But if calculations tabulating the full national unemployment including discouraged workers, which is 10.2 percent, and the historical method of calculating inflation, which is now 4.5 percent, ‘the current misery index is closer to 14.7, worse even than during the Ford administration.”
The government lies. And the media repeats those lies. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

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From the latest, meaningless government numbers that no one believes anyway, initial claims for unemployment compensation fell by 20,000 .

January's employment report will be released on Friday. It should be good for a laugh too.

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I know more people without the basics of food shelter clothes much less energy to keep warm with or cook food not to mention the lack of medical care.

In some cases this has led to death.

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I know more people without the basics of food shelter clothes much less energy to keep warm with or cook food not to mention the lack of medical care.

In some cases this has led to death.

I am not laughing frown
Among the many reasons people need to be connecting with and supporting the sanctuary locations before they hit personal rock bottom.

I think I also see a lot of selfishness, prejudice and pride issues when it comes to those who fail at group prepping but a lot of the fears people have in that are entirely legitimate. Gamble your future on the wrong kinds of people and you can end up screwed over.

It is far better to get that stuff sorted out way way ahead of time than when your particular crisis hits. I recognize how for a lot of us that has become a decades long issue but we have to keep working at it.


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