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Blowback: Vegas Murderers were Police Informants #157460
06/19/2014 01:19 PM
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Drug War Blowback: Vegas Murderers were Police Informants

William Norman Grigg


Jerad and Amanda Miller, who were banished from Bunkerville by supporters of Cliven Bundy, had worked as informants for Nevada law enforcement agencies. After the Millers murdered three people — Las Vegas Metro Officers Alyn Beck and Igor Soldo, and Joseph Wilcox, an armed citizen who heroically tried to stop their rampage — their former handlers claimed that they were unaware of the couple’s “anti-police sentiments.” That claim is difficult to credit, given that Jerad Miller had a lengthy criminal record, and the fact that the couple had made itself very prominent in protests associated with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Jerad Miller, who was mired in the probation system because of narcotics convictions, was precisely the kind of person whose vulnerabilities make him valuable as an informant and provocateur.

The Millers were among many hundreds of people who traveled to Bunkerville, Nevada to support rancher Cliven Bundy in his confrontation with the BLM. They may well have been the only volunteers who were asked to leave because of concerns regarding what was described as their “aggressive nature and volatility.” During their brief visit, however, Jerad was interviewed by the local NBC affiliate, which meant that he was depicted as representative of the people who had rallied to the Bundy family’s cause.

Predictably, following the couple’s subsequent killing spree critics of Cliven Bundy claimed that the rancher, his supporters, and the entire “insurrectionist right” shared collective responsibility for that crime. Honest people who aren’t imprisoned in collectivist ideology would recognize that rather than being radicalized by so-called anti-government extremists, Jerad Miller is more properly seen as a living example of “blowback” in the government’s war on drugs.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
Re: Blowback: Vegas Murderers were Police Informants #157461
06/19/2014 05:18 PM
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Explains why that went down the memory hole so fast.


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Re: Blowback: Vegas Murderers were Police Informants #157462
06/20/2014 10:32 AM
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Actually it also goes to the resentments that build up when someone is recruited by force into becoming informants for whatever purpose.

You look at the arrest records on that, lots of borderline felony stuff, assault and mischief, a little dope posession. It all looks to me like the tried and true old school thing of being on a list of street level individuals who can be picked up and roughed around a little bit while on probation and squeezed for some information and a little work. The probationer is so vulnerable to that sort of circumstance that even with groups which are not doing background checks, we urge extreme caution in dealing with people who are currently on probation, especially the types of probation where they got arrested for a felony, but upon "successful completion of probation", it gets reduced to a misdemeanor. Don't think that prosecutors out there are entirely against using both threats and cash reward when trying to purchase testimony from individuals.

That is a particularly popular tactic with people who are on probation and somehow got in the jurisdiction of some agencies which lack the funding to send full fledged qualified undercover agents into their own infiltration operations, especially at the street level where a lot of those operations have a pretty short game plan. I mean, we are talking really classic Starsky and Hutch type stuff.

So what can and does happen in those situations, is resentment builds up, and quite frequently, the cops figure it out first, being far more experienced on how the pattern works, and they simply burn the informant, often inserting a new person into the targeted organization who manages to come up with information to "expose" the old informant, maybe even participate in killing that individual, and then thus elevating their status within the targeted organization. Stories get passed around jails and other criminal gathering type places, people compare notes, they hear the fate of others who took their path (especially in Vegas), which in that place I understand often involves being invited to meet the "big guy" at some casino hotel, but will as often as not result in being taken out of the basement in a dumpster and buried in the desert somewhere.

I will agree the whole thing was drug war blowback. The couple's lives were trapped in a revolving door life sentence to the system, and seeing its abuses first hand, it made them seek help, or at least to join someone else in the struggle, which of course, rejected them and the rest is history.


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Re: Blowback: Vegas Murderers were Police Informants #157463
06/21/2014 12:56 AM
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Lets give this a different look see!

Whether this couple were MK Ultra mind zombies, paid informers, or just very angry patriots with no outlet makes no difference. They are however a view of things to come.

We will find as more and more Sheeple move out of the herd and into the wood line they will be doing so with violence and anger they can't handle. They will begin to awake to the total wrongness of what their country has become. They will read the massive pages of What I refer to as Fear Porn. They will become angrier, and angrier, till they, like the Millers, explode. It happened in 1773, and will happen next week. Again!

In my weekend in the store I speak with people old and young and in between. The speak with barely controlled anger of this or that transgression of the Governments, both local and Federal. Many spout the mindless reports of the thousands of Foreign troops in UN white vehicles traversing our roads in every state.

These rants are a condition between awareness and discernment. Where they have built up the adrenalin and can't find the time or resources to dispel the BS. These people have patriotic hearts, but murderous intent. They look for a Militia unit, but find only FACE BOOK and FEAR PORN because the militias are playing spy vs spy to keep their identity covered.

What is needed is for a few old farts who are not in the Militia due to physical or other reasons to become fronts for the militia. People who can sit with these newly awakened sheeple and get their feet on the correct road before they do something rash.

It is my belief that as these newly awakened begin training and learning they do have some power they will calm own, and turn that anger into determination. When they are properly vetted they can be integrated into the regular militia. Is there danger of their being spies and agents? yes! However they will be training with other non unit people and will not infect the units if properly vetted. Those who don't pass muster will give up and go away after a while.

These pre-militia groups can train, do disaster work, and provide neighborhood protection tasks. If the people placed in charge feel the person is a danger they can route them to other groups, but will know they tried.

The alternative is to wait till they explode and try to minimize the danger to the units, and the people we are tasked to defend by calling them names.


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