I've been saying for quite a while that it's an unintended consequence of our own War on Drugs, so it was nice to see that none other than Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, probably the leading source on the region, agrees with me .

The whole article is worth a read, but unless you have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, it's behind a paywall.

Want to reduce bloodshed and the numbers of "illegal" immigrants? The solution is simple - end the War on Drugs.

Onward and upward,
airforce

You can't "end" the war on drugs by simply surrendering every street corner to a newly licensed narcotics wholesaler.

You have a culture of people who want nothing else but to lounge about high on dope and make trouble for others.

Not only hat, but the demand the convenience of cheap imported dope so they have to work and steal less to stay high.

That same argument was made eighty years ago, when Prohibition ended. You don't see bootleggers hanging around street corners and school yards anymore, do you?

There are a certain number of people who would do nothing else than stay drunk or high. Guess what - they're doing that already. Relegalizing drugs is not going to increase their numbers.

Since drugs will be cheaper, people will have to steal less in order to buy them. I consider that a bonus, not a problem.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Since there are already licensed narcotics Dealers in every City and Town e.g. Pharmacists and Liquor Store Owners, whey would there be any on the street corners.

Liquor Stores could just add the newly legal narcotics to the ones they already sell.

There is already a culture of people who want nothing else then to lounge about high on drugs and make trouble for others, and they are called Alcoholics and Drunks. So the users of Coke etc would just be added to that number.

And if if the war on drugs ended and they were made legal then according to what I read a long time ago Drugs would cost about the same as Aspirin. So Little Old Ladies would not have to worry very much about their Social Security Money being stolen by some scum sucker addict.

So I see ending the war on drugs as a Win, Win, Win situation.

One last thing there are a lot of things that can be done to Persuade People to not use drugs that are not currently being done and that would have a high probability of success and these things would not be a ban on possession or use anymore then Drunk Driving Laws are a ban on use of Alcohol.

So even though I disagree with airforce on somethings I agree with him fully on Ending The War On Drugs with the provision that laws on possession and use would also be ended.

Drugs are a scourge and the way drug dealers get more customers is through introducing drugs to children. Why must we always pander to the scum begging them to change their scum ways? Start public executions of drug dealers and drug traffickers, then if that doesn't work, I'm up for listening about legalization.

Great idea but lets not stop with illegal drugs lets bring back Prohibition and then we can execute the owners of Jack Daniels and all the other evil liquor producers and sellers.

And then maybe we should start a war on Sugary Drinks and then Coffee.

And I almost forgot about the most important thing that needs to be totally banned under penalty of death, all tobacco products.

Funny thing if one wants to do drugs booze etc that is there business. there right in a free republic so long as they don't hurt someone.
Here's the kicker it's called being responsible do the drugs booze ect. Don't let the drugs booze etc do you.

Way back in 1927, Detroit became the first city to close it's high school campuses, meaning the students and teachers couldn't leave the campus for lunch. Why? To prevent them from visiting their local bootlegger.

Well, you don't see very many bootleggers hanging around high schools anymore, do you? Makers of alcoholic beverages are even prevented from portraying young people in their advertising. And you don't see gangs fighting over territory to sell alcohol, either.

The fact is that, percentage wise, there are more heroin and cocaine addicts now than there were a hundred years ago, when heroin and cocaine were legal.

During a presidential debate a few years ago, Ron Paul asked the audience, "If heroin wee legal, would you use it?" No one raised their hands.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Nice sarcasm LV...You're right too many folks run around yelling about freedom, yet the first answer is to execute people who do things they are against..Freedom means the freedom to destroy your own life as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.. But I don't have to pick you up when you fall...The drug war is a failure and a waste of money..legalize it, tax it...let the Cartels starve with competition..

I should probably explain myself a bit more. I don't approve of alcohol or drug use, and I don't allow alcohol or drugs to be consumed in my home. Profanity, while it doesn't bother me (I used to be a corrections officer), is vulgar, especially around women and children. Prostitution is morally reprehensible. Pornography disgusts me. Homosexuality sickens me. Discrimination based on race, sex, or anything else, is devoid of reason.

In fact, the only things worse than all of the above, are laws against them. Seriously, what part of "freedom" don't you understand?

For more on the above, see "Vices Are Not Crimes" by Lysander Spooner.

Onward and upward,
airforce

It's not freedom that I don't understand, its child abuse and those that would advocate it that I don't understand. By your definition sodomizing children should also be OK because that's just another adult vice, right?

I am all for consenting adult stuff, but drugging children is bad, and let's not pull punches on that, it is done for the purposes of controlling them, turning them in to thieves, robbers and prostitutes to make the dope pusher rich. That is waaay out of our libertarian perspective, but it is reality.

A child does not have the ability to consent. By definition, that is rape.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Mexneck
You not only don't understand FREEDOM you don't understand a lot of other things which any person who considers himself or herself a Patriot should understand.
Not only is, what you just posted, non sequitur,
that is one of the most ignorant and stupid things I have read on this board, unless comparing Apples to Oranges makes sense.

Who in this topic posted anything about child abuse other then yourself?

And what does child abuse have to do with legalizing drugs and stopping the War on Drugs, other then all the children who have been harmed because of the War on Drugs.

Comparing Sodomizing Children with Legalizing Drugs, what in this Universe is wrong with you, I have no idea what I should think of you.

Are you incapable of Rational Thought, and living in an Alternate Universe?

Or are you just an ordinary Stupid and Ignorant Person who just doesn't have the ability to think.

Comparing Sodomizing Children to Legalizing Drugs is like comparing, since it is Legal to buy Liquor it is also ok to get drunk and run over a child.

Or more to the point since I suppose you are a gun owner and support the 2nd Amendment.

Since you believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms you must also believe in using those arms to murder children and other people.

I mean Guns are used to kill and murder people including children isn't that so?

From reading some of your other posts I really do have to wonder about how your mind works.

And don't worry, you are not the only Member of this board or only self-styled Patriot who is living in their own delusional universe, there are many like you and a lot of them are far worse and that is not a good thing for our Nations future.

As I just stated in my previous post, What does Legalizing Drugs have to do with Child Abuse or in your case Drugging Children?

Equating Legalizing Drugs to Drugging Children is non sequitur.

It makes no more sense then to Equate Supporting the Second Amendment to Supporting the Shooting of Children or the shooting of other innocent people.

Are you and some of the other members of this board, like the Liberals, who Equate supporting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to supporting the murder of children and others?

I thought the Members of this Board were more intelligent and better then the Liberals. Well maybe I have been mistaken all along and the truth is, at least some Patriots are no better then the Liberal Enemy, we are just as irrational as they are.

May God have mercy and save our undeserving Country since I am starting to come to the realization that only God can save us since far too many members of this board and other patriots are too caught up in their own little worlds and are not intelligent enough to realize we need to fight together as Brothers of One Mind to win the coming war and and after winning recreate the Republic that the founding Fathers gave to us.

Lord Vader, both Mexneck and Breacher are freedom-loving Patriots. They certainly don't always agree with me on everything, and neither do you, but that's alright. (Seriously, if I ever find someone that does agree with me on everything, I'm going to be very, very worried.)

The arguments they use are the same arguments that Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and a mob of other politicians and so-called journalists use. It's not their fault they use them, it's what they were taught to use. Arguing really does nothing; just keep using logic and reason, and eventually it will sink in.

It's not easy. Ask Ron Paul, he's been doing it for as long as I have. But you know, our Creator has endowed us with the ability to think, and there's a reason He did so. Don't be discouraged, just keep plugging away at it, and eventually people will listen.

Onward and upward,
airforce

airforce
I have been a Patriot a very long time, long before there was such a thing as a PC and I am just getting too old and too tired and when I see people who I respect post things that suggest that they don't have a real understanding of what FREEDOM is and what it means to be FREE, I just get very very ticked off and wonder how we are going to save our Republic when some of us seem to be living in an alternate universe.

I guess the big thing is Patriots are just as varied in the way they think as any other group of people, and people like me just can't understand the how and why of the way some of the other people think.

I know what you mean. I've been arguing for opening borders and abolishing the minimum wage for years. On good days, I just get blank stares. On bad days, people want to waterboard me. I don't take it personal, I just hope that someday someone better than me will convince them otherwise.

Onward and upward,
airforce

As much as I'm starting to lean more and more libertarian... Any discussion of open borders is a moot theoretical conversation till you dismantle every vestage of our welfare state.

Yep, the welfare state would have to go. It's just that whether it goes before the borders are opened, or after, is immaterial to me. If opening the borders hastens the welfare state's demise, so be it.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I don't always see eye to eye with Airforce, as I don't believe in open borders. However, I probably agree with 99% of what he proposes.

From my perspective, non-citizens do not have the same privileges and rights as citizens. If one tries to become a citizen illegally and violates our laws, that person should go to the back of the line and beyond. Maybe never come back.

On the other hand, freedom is the right to practice good and bad behaviors and suffer the consequences of those actions. "The People" do not have a right to squelch the voice or activities of an individual unless it directly affects their freedoms and rights. Opinion is opinion until people lose their homes, wealth, health or lives. At that point, it becomes tyranny.

If someone wants to do drugs, while I don't condone it, they are free to do as much as they want up until they kill themselves. As a freeman and Christian, I have an obligation to help those around me up until it does significant harm to myself. It doesn't mean that I have to do stupid things to protect criminals.

Let me address this point by point.

Not only is, what you just posted, non sequitur,
that is one of the most ignorant and stupid things I have read on this board, unless comparing Apples to Oranges makes sense.
The only reason you need to attack my argument is that you have no facts to support your end of it. Often people who do not hold any facts resort to personal attacks on the poster due to limited mental capacity. We see quite a lot of this from the current administration.

Who in this topic posted anything about child abuse other then yourself?
You and Airforce did when you claimed that drug abuse was a victimless crime. Surely both of you cannot be that naive to believe that legalizing drugs would suddenly make the world bright. If you read the Dutch news their legalization of drugs and open border is not going so well. Or perhaps you find that drunks, drug abusers and traffickers make sound parental decisions?

And what does child abuse have to do with legalizing drugs and stopping the War on Drugs, other then all the children who have been harmed because of the War on Drugs.
How about the American children that have lost their lives to the war on drugs? How about American families that find out that little Johnny is hooked on crank for his 13th birthday? If illegals have issues in THEIR country let them address that in THEIR country rather than just running to America.

Comparing Sodomizing Children with Legalizing Drugs, what in this Universe is wrong with you, I have no idea what I should think of you.
You are beyond naive that I would have to explain it too you. Children's minds are not fully developed and are therefore often the target of drug traffickers on many fronts and yes that includes prostitution, rape and murder. To simply forget the other crimes that go along with drug trafficking such as the crimes that go along with alcohol abuse ignores an entire part of the equation.

Are you incapable of Rational Thought, and living in an Alternate Universe?
This is a statement often made by 13 year old keyboard warriors.
Or are you just an ordinary Stupid and Ignorant Person who just doesn't have the ability to think.
Once again you have no argument so you resort to personal attacks. It's OK my skin is not so thin that it is torn by words written on a computer screen.

Comparing Sodomizing Children to Legalizing Drugs is like comparing, since it is Legal to buy Liquor it is also ok to get drunk and run over a child.
Why? There are those who are for the legalization of sodomizing children, they believe as strongly in their argument that it is a victimless crime as you do in your argument that drug trafficking is a victimless crime. By your own argument they should be allowed to partake in their vices in the name of "freedom"

Or more to the point since I suppose you are a gun owner and support the 2nd Amendment.

Since you believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms you must also believe in using those arms to murder children and other people.

I mean Guns are used to kill and murder people including children isn't that so?
This has the makings of a solid argument and could have been if you had led with it. As it is it's just lost in your rant. I would have come back with the fact that I'm not blaming drugs but those who promote and dispense them, they are individuals who choose to participate in murder and corruption all in the name of dollars.

From reading some of your other posts I really do have to wonder about how your mind works.
My wife and the NSA tell me that all the time.

And don't worry, you are not the only Member of this board or only self-styled Patriot who is living in their own delusional universe, there are many like you and a lot of them are far worse and that is not a good thing for our Nations future.
Personal attack from a keyboard warrior who disagrees with another poster. Are you in your mom's basement by any chance?

As far as open borders go I'm the product of an open boarder. My issue is with the mentality of those currently crossing the border. Do they want to strengthen America or undermine it? Do they want to work hard and get ahead or do they want a bunch of free stuff? Do they understand the promise of America or do they want to foster the same ideals and traditions that made their own country a piece of crap? When so many fellow veterans are struggling and out of work how can we justify allowing an open border. And if that is a two way street, why is there a Marine sitting in a Mexican jail right now?

People crossing the border are like everyone else. They want as much as they can get. Who wouldn't?

If you want to sell a car, do you want as much as the car is worth, and no more? Or do you want as much as you can get for it?

The answer, of course, is the second one. It's one of the basic laws of economics.

Do you think the government is giving people too much "free" stuff? Well, don't blame them for taking it. Blame the government for giving it to them.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Sorry, drug abuse is not a victimless crime. Our home was broken into and cleaned of a couple thousand dollars' worth of property for the continuing of a drug problem.
While I personally could care less if anybody wants to destroy themselves with drug use, I will flatly disagree with anybody who says it's "victimless", as my family is a victim of drug abuse.

And, if you wanted open borders, well, the southern border is about as open as it can get, as recent activities show. Now, if we can just open the northern border, so the Boy Scouts can stop being threatened by Border Agents.

Suppose someone broke into your home so he could buy another bottle of cheap vodka. Would you blame that crime on alcohol, and try to make alcohol illegal again?

Suppose he burglarized your home to get enough money to keep his car from being repossessed. Would you blame the crime on cars? And if he did it to buy food for his family, would you blame it on food?

Of course not. Drugs may be the motive, but burglary is the crime. The two are not the same.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Well, for some reason you don't hear of people breaking into homes for money for vodka, or for money to keep their car from being repossessed.
But, people break into homes all the time for money to get more drugs.

Drugs carry a motive that apparently, other things do not.

I don't really think making drugs legal will change a lot, except to free up a lot of time for federal agents, so they can find some other way to harass and kill American citizens.
Doesn't much matter to me personally whether they legalize drugs or not.

I certainly did, in my job as a corrections officer at the jail. I'll agree that more often than not, the alcoholics were arrested for petit larceny, usually for stealing Listerine (the drink of choice for many of them). But an alcoholic needs his drink, even more than a drug addict needs his drugs, and they'll do whatever they have to in order to get it.

But the example is still good, even if the crime is different. If a drunk steals a bottle of Listerine, is it the Listerine's fault?

Onward and upward,
airforce

Ok, I see your cases on the Listerine.
That's pretty desperate, drinking Listerine, anyway.

I don't specifically blame the drugs themselves, a drug is an inanimate object, incapable of thought or desire.

With many things in life, some cannot control themselves with them.

With but a few things in life, very few can control themselves with them.
Seems drugs fall into the latter category.

Really, I should clarify my position a bit. There are some drugs I would see eliminated if possible. Never available, never legal. Many, not such a big deal.

Hello I've been MIA far awhile, busy life gets in the way sometimes.
Not sure if this belongs here if there's intrest I'll post the link. Fedbizopps com ran a add to escort unaccompanied alien children on their website dated January 29 2014. Don't know if anyone has seen this yet. If a mod will clear me posting a dot gov link I will. Had to go into their archives to find it. I'll post the link to where I stumbled on it now. I didn't put much faith in it because of the source but it did check out as legitimate.

http://theconservativewife.blogspot.com/2014/06/government-hiring-escorts-for-65000.html?m=1

You can post the .gov link if you want, but there's no need. There's enough links in the article to get you there.

I'm not sure how the "business opportunity" proves anything. It may have just got the media's attention recently, but unaccompanied children began showing up in large numbers last fall, and teenagers have always been a sizable portion of immigrants anyway.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Kind of my thoughts, media just began to report on it because of people speaking up.

Look as long as there is a drug war or war on terrorism, It will justify taking your freedom..

You have the absolute right to destroy your life with drugs, and I have the right to not care..

But the State uses drugs as a reason to search, deploy military equipment and basically take away many freedoms you should have..

Now that the war on drugs is becoming passe they must use the War on terrorism to continue the downward spiral of your freedom..

See folks forget because of the expansion of the government powers, that their original job was to defend the homeland from foreign invasion, and make sure the states didn't violate the Constitution..few other things, but that's about it..

So securing the border was the one main job they should do but didn't..

Why?...

Because of cheap labor?...

I doubt it..maybe years ago, but the reasons have changed..

The real reason they don't secure the border is...They want terrorist to get in..Any attack here in the homeland would justify all the rules and regs yet to be implemented.

Loss of all your freedoms...

So how do we remain free...We take back the Republic and deport all who have entered illegally..Hard yes..

We secure the Borders put our armies on them..

We hang any and all terrorist caught in the act..wrap them in pork and ship them home..LOL...

We become the Nation defense..We the people..