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ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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Leon Panetta, president Obama's former CIA chief, says the war on ISIS will last 30 years , and will extend far beyond Iraq and Syria, and will extend into "Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere." And Stars and Stripes is reporting that Apache helicopters of the 82nd Airborne Division have joined the fight . The United States sent helicopters into combat against Islamic State targets west of Baghdad on Sunday, the first time low-flying Army aircraft have been committed to fighting in an engagement that the Obama administration officials has promised would not include “boots on the ground.”
The U.S. Central Command, in a statement about U.S. activities against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, provided few specifics about the helicopters. They were probably AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, which were deployed to Baghdad International Airport in June to provide protection for U.S. military and diplomatic facilities.
Until Sunday, U.S. airstrikes in Iraq have been limited to fast-moving Air Force and Navy fighter aircraft and drones. But the use of the relatively slow-flying helicopters represents an escalation of American military involvement and is a sign that the security situation in Iraq’s Anbar province is deteriorating. Last week, the Islamic State militants overran numerous Iraqi bases and towns and were becoming a widespread presence in Abu Ghraib, the last major town outside of Baghdad’s western suburbs.
Jeffrey White, a former senior Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who closely follows developments in Iraq, said the use of helicopter gunships by the United States means that U.S. troops effectively are now directly involved in ground battles.
“It’s definitely boots in the air. This is combat, assuming U.S. Army guys were flying the helicopters,” said White, a defense fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a center-right policy institute. “Using helicopter gunships in combat operations means those forces are in combat.”
Moreover, the Obama administration’s decision to authorize the use of U.S. helicopter gunships indicates that nearly two months of U.S.-led airstrikes by fixed-wing fighters and bombers have failed to stop the Islamic State from massing ground troops and launching offensive operations, he said.... Congress, meanwhile, has yet to vote on authorization for this war. With the elections a month away, why would they want to? Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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In other news, the us bond market is due for a collapse, china takes over the us in economy in real terms, and labor participation is at a 40 year low. Things do not bode well for Uncle Sam.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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The ISIS have released a video of what they say is a training camp. I suspect it's more of a recruiting video; I didn't see much in the way of real training. But considering that about 10,000 foreigners have joined their army - including about 100 Americans - their propaganda arm seems to be in high gear. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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I know its bad when I can point to Jimmy Carter and his administration as having been the best president and administration from the dominant political party in this country during my lifetime.
It was the streetcorner executions on video that got him to flip against Somoza and authorize his assassination. For all of what is said about him being a wimp in the Middle East, he did authorize Delta Force to go in and storm the US Embassy and unleash some serious retribution on Iran.
The original plan for that, which he authorized, was for AC130 gunships to clear the streets of Tehran while the rescue convoy was taking liberated US Embassy personnel to the airport.
You realize had that succeeded, he would have been considered a butcher, but it was the military in the 1970s fuckup era that bungled the operation.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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Originally posted by Breacher:
...it was the military in the 1970s fuckup era that bungled the operation. Most immediately, it was one Air Force major who blew a weather forecast. (Gen. Klein publicly accepted responsibility, but it was a major who blew a pretty simple operational forecast.) But the person I blame most is still Carter. Around that time, fully 1/4 of the Air Force's planes couldn't fly, because the others were being cannibalized for the spare parts. The Army was accepting recruits down to the 30th percentile, our pay was being capped, and even and E-6 with two children qualified for food stamps - unless he was in Germany and didn't qualify for them. Those helicopters in the desert? Even with that dust storm, a $3 dust cover over the turbines would have kept them flying. Special Operations had turned into a cruel joke. So, yeah, I still call Carter the worst President of the 20th Century, with Wilson and FDR fighting for second place. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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If it really is going to be a 30 year war, we already have a 12 year running start.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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Word I got from the SF people who I trained with around 1986ish was that someone had not been wearing their protective goggles while guiding in one of the helicopters for a landing. He got blasted in the face with rotorwash and instinctively used one arm, with the flashlight/signal cone thing on it, to cover his eyes. The pilot took that as a signal to move to he side abruptly due to some perceived obstacle, bumped into another parked aircraft and all hell broke loose.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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ISIS is having some infighting problems. Let the barbarians tear one another to shreds.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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A 19-year-old Marine lance corporal... casualty of Operation Inherent resolve. The Pentagon on Friday reported the first death of a U.S. military serviceman in Iraq in its new mission to combat Islamic State militants who have seized large areas of Iraq and Syria.
Marine Lance Cpl. Sean Neal, a 19-year-old from California, died in Baghdad on Thursday in what a Pentagon statement described as a noncombat incident. Further details about how Neal died were not immediately available.
Earlier this month, a Marine was deemed lost at sea after he fell from an aircraft into the Arabian Gulf.
The Pentagon said Neal’s death was the first U.S. casualty in Iraq since the Obama administration began its “Inherent Resolve” mission, which now includes airstrikes against the extremist group in Iraq and Syria and a growing number of U.S. military personnel on the ground in Iraq in August.
The Marine’s death is a milestone for the Obama administration, which withdrew U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011 and has sought to ensure the United States is not drawn into more of the costly, messy ground wars that characterized the decade after the 9/11 attacks.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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Is Japan ready to abandon pacifism? It could be. The brutal murder of two Japanese journalists by ISIS is being called "Japan's 9/11," or France after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. ...Some described a level of shock not unlike that experienced by the Americans after the 2001 terrorist attacks, or the French after last month’s assault on the newspaper Charlie Hebdo and the murders in a kosher supermarket.
“This is 9/11 for Japan,” said Kunihiko Miyake, a former high-ranking Japanese diplomat who has advised Mr. Abe on foreign affairs. “It is time for Japan to stop daydreaming that its good will and noble intentions would be enough to shield it from the dangerous world out there. Americans have faced this harsh reality, the French have faced it, and now we are, too.”
The crisis also comes at a crucial moment in Japan’s modern history. Since taking office two years ago, Mr. Abe, a strong-willed conservative, has tried to push his nation into shedding the passive brand of pacifism that it repentantly embraced after defeat in World War II, and playing a more active role in world events. Analysts and former diplomats say the stark savagery of the killings will be an important test of how ready Japan really is to step onto the global stage.
The question, analysts and diplomats say, is whether the trauma of the killings will drain Japan’s will to seek a higher international profile, or stiffen its resolve.... I'm actually a little bit conflicted about this. It's about time that Japan accepted the responsibility for its own defense, instead of relying on the U.S. to do it for them. But at the same time, I know what the Japanese kamikazes did to my father. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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You figure the way the Jihadis want it, they need some place in the world constantly at war at any given time so that they can constantly rotate their fighters through for combat experience. Their problem with being that relatively mobile and light force overall, if a technologically advanced enemy really sets up permanent camp to fight them and means it, they eventually take losses as unsustainable levels.
Think of it as Islamic tactical tourism. All the jihadi tough guys worldwide want their place to go fight, but don't want it to be a guaranteed suicide run. If it is IS, then so be it. in the 1980s it was Lebanon, 1990s Chechnya, 2000s Afghanistan and as the US pullout began in Iraq with the reduced chances of having to fight the full strength of a conventional military, the Jihadis moved into the power vacuum.
The issue with Afghanistan is that it is a heck of a place to fight a war, just still a shithole in the best of times with almost nothing worth fighting over. I don't think their opium fields are really all that big of a deal when compared to the GNP of just about anywhere else.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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I can just see BHO decrying Jordan's "needless escalation" in the region.
This should have the mederate Arab world up in arms, as they very well should be.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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It will take 100,000 ground troops to defeat ISIS , says former CIA #2 man. A former deputy director of the CIA said on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday that it would take 100,000 ground troops to effectively respond to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.
"Unless the coalition is willing to put more ground troops into Iraq and possibly into Syria, there is very little we can do to respond," said CBS News senior security contributor Michael Morell, the former No. 2 at the CIA.
Morell made the comments following ISIS' release of a video Tuesday purportedly showing captive Jordanian pilot Lt. Muath Al-Kaseasbeh being burned to death. The killing led Jordanian officials to execute two Iraqi al Qaeda-linked prisoners.
Morell said the will to commit such a large number of troops "simply does not exist" in the U.S. or in Western Europe.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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You know in all honesty, if I got hold of an enemy pilot who had just strafed civilian refugees or bombed a school full of kids and was being all smartass about it, I would be inclined to torch him alive on television.
They are doing that sort of thing in Donetsk right now, people's war. Hauling Ukrainian POWs out to the scene of a civilian bus that was hit by Ukrainian artillery and letting the crowd have at them.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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Reportedly, the White House is finally getting ready to ask Congress for an ISIS War permission slip . We've already been bombing the tarnation out of ISIS for months, with Obama saying he doesn't really need a new congressional authorization. President Barack Obama is poised in coming days to ask Congress for new authority to use U.S. military force against Islamic State militants, the White House said Thursday. But the top Republican in Congress warned it won't be easy to pass the measure and that it will be up to Obama to rally support from lawmakers and the public.
"His actions are going to be an important part of trying for us to get the votes to actually pass an authorization," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Thursday. "This is not going to be an easy lift."
White House spokesman Josh Earnest responded that the administration is dedicated to getting a new authorization with support from Republicans and Democrats. That's even though Obama has argued new authorization isn't legally necessary and has been ordering airstrikes on militant strongholds in Iraq and Syria for months.
"The president believes it sends a very powerful signal to the American people, to our allies, and even to our enemies, that the United States of America is united behind this strategy to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL," Earnest said, using an acronym for the Islamic State group, "That across branches of government and even across political parties, even in this divided time in our nation's political history, at least, that Democrats and Republicans are committed to this very important task."
Earnest declined to discuss specific provisions being discussed, such as how long the authorization will last, what geographical areas it will cover and whether it will allow for the possibility of ground troops. He said details are still being worked out with lawmakers from both parties, with the hopes of coming up with the authorizations can draw bipartisan support.
But top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi of California said talks with the administration are focusing on a time frame of three years, while the other issues are still being worked out. Pelosi told journalists it will be a challenge for wary Democrats, the White House, and Republicans seeking a broader use of military force to forge an agreement, but that she ultimately expects one to be reached. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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I'm sorry, but I'm getting sick of this "police action" BS both party's presidents have used.
Either ask congress to declare war, then fight TO WIN... Or stay the hell out!
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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What are "enduring ground offensive operations?" Whatever they are, President Obama\'s war powers request is against them . The White House will ask Congress to approve military action against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) that bans “enduring offensive ground operations.”
Administration officials briefed lawmakers on Tuesday about the emerging language, which is intended to win over Republicans.
GOP lawmakers had balked at earlier language considered by a Senate panel in December that banned ground troops in combat operations with some exceptions, such as self-defense and rescue missions.
What is unclear is whether Democrats wary of voting for a new war will withhold their support for the updated language, which even some Republicans acknowledge is vague.
“It’d be interesting to know exactly what that ‘enduring’ means, but I have to see it,” said Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has called for language that would allow ground troops in order to give the military maximum flexibility to go after ISIS.
One congressional aide familiar with the new language acknowledged it could be a difficult sell with Democrats.
“That’s the whole debate on flexibility … that is the rub,” the aide said.
The White House briefed House Democratic leaders Tuesday evening, but rank-and-file members, including liberals critical of language approving ground forces, were keeping their powder dry as they awaited the final details.
The debate is being inflamed by ISIS’s recent actions.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Here is the "Authorization for Use ...e Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.” 2 1/2 pages, in pdf format. ...(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized, subject to the limitations in subsection(c), to use the Armed Forces of the United States as the President determines to be necessary and appropriate against ISIL or associated persons or forces as defined in section 5.
(b) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS.—
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION.—Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1547(a)(1)), Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(b)).
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—
Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.).
(c) LIMITATIONS.—
The authority granted in subsection (a) does not authorize the use of the United States Armed
Forces in enduring offensive ground combat operations.
SEC. 3. DURATION OF THIS AUTHORIZATION.
[b]This authorization for the use of military force shall terminate three years after the date of the enactment of this joint resolution, unless reauthorized.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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I would read that as there would be no occupation of the area. No permanent bases, just strikes and occasional incursions from "friendly" territory.
I could see an armored brigade thunder run through the joint rolling in from Kuwait at full speed. Lots of fuel trucks, stopover in central Iraq, a few days fighting in the IS, then head back to Kuwait. If the Saudis foot the fuel bill, then it can be done. No grinding down the forces with occupation style patrolling or trying to maintain local control over anything. Just roll in, fuck shit up, then leave.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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President Obama is willing to negotiate details of that Authorization for Use of Military Force. Neither Democrats or Republicans like it, and Obama says he doesn't even need it anyway. The White House has said that President Barack Obama is open to negotiating several aspects of his proposed authorization to use military force against the ISIS terror group, including his proposed three-year time limit on U.S. military action and the use of ground troops.
According to the Associated Press, White House officials say Obama is firmly opposed to any geographic restrictions on where the U.S. military can pursue ISIS militants, who have strongholds in Iraq and Syria but have been operating across international boundaries. But they did said he is open to debate on much of the rest of his offer.
"I'm not at all going to be surprised if there are members of Congress who take a look at this legislation and decide, `Well, I think there are some things that we should tweak here, and if we do, we might be able to build some more support for,"' said White House press secretary Josh Earnest. "So I think it is fair for you to assume that this reflects a starting point in conversations."
Lawmakers are expected to consider the authorization request this week after returning from a weeklong break. Some Republicans say Obama's proposal is too restrictive for the mission to succeed. On the other side, some Democrats want more limitations on Obama's authority so the United States doesn't sign on for another open-ended war.
Obama argues he doesn't need a new authorization to pursue ISIS terrorists legally -- and he's been launching strikes against them for months based on authorizations given to President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. But critics say Obama's use of those authorizations is a stretch at best, and the White House has taken a new position that makes it clear it doesn't see reliance on that authority as ideal, either. White House officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the negotiations on the record.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Since I want to make this fairly short and to the point I will just say this.
A Great American once stated:
"Speak Softly, and Carry a Big Stick"
The United States needs to stop being Mr. Nice Guy and start doing what needs to be done.
Yemen and every other Country that willing permits al qaeda, ISIS or any other Terrorist Group to operate out of its Territory, needs to be informed, in no uncertain terms, that if al qaeda, ISIS etc attacks the United States that their itself will be held fully accountable and will suffer the consequences.
One of the biggest reasons that we are having all this crap with these Muslim Terrorists is because the worlds powers including the United States are too cowardly to do what is necessary.
As to 9/11 and Afghanistan, the Taliban and Osama bin Laden.
If I was President I would not have sent American Ground Forces into Afghanistan after the Taliban refused to turn Osama bin Laden over to us.
Instead I would have declared War on Afghanistan and the Taliban and issued a deadline to turn him over and if they didn't comply I would have dropped a Nuke on Kabul, result no American Lives Lost.
I then would have issued a warning that any Nation that willing Harbors Osama bin Laden or any other Terrorist or Terrorist Group would be held fully responsible for any actions committed by that Group against the United States and what happened to Kabul would happen to them.
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Three New York City men were arrested for trying to join ISIS . One of them was arrested at Kennedy Airport trying to board a flight to Istanbul. The three men were allegedly also planning to carry out attacks in the U.S., including one on President Obama. Three New York City men were arrested today on charges they allegedly conspired to join ISIS in Syria, while also trying to carry out attacks on the terror group's behalf in the United States, the authorities said.
The men had planned to travel to the Middle East and had also pledged to launch attacks in this country, including one on President Obama or planting a bomb in Coney Island, Brooklyn, federal officials said.
Federal officials said Akhror Saidakhmetov, 19, was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, where he was attempting to board a flight to Istanbul.
Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev, 24, had a plane ticket to travel to Turkey sometime next month. He was arrested in Brooklyn, according to the feds.
Abror Habibov, 30, a third man, is accused of helping fund Saidakhmetov's efforts, authorities said. He was arrested in Florida.... Onward and upward, airforce
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Well, here's a real shock: Those New York "ISIS terrorists" had a little help from an FBI confidential informant. A lot of help, actually. The three men had no money for travel, without help from the FBI. And one of the men had his passport confiscated by his mother. In other words, these are three more terrorists manufactured by the FBI, just to keep fear alive. Onward and upward, airforce
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Either way, they are massacring Assyrian Christians, people who still speak the language of Christ. I was watching some videos about it and their plight is compelling.
The good news is the Obama administration is not yanking US Citizenship from people who volunteer to go fight ISIS alongside some of the militias that are in the fray. In a nod to original constitutionalism, the US government is allowing the defacto letter of marquee against ISIS. We have no right to demand much more than that from them.
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It saddens me they feel justified in destroying priceless thousands of years old artifacts and knowledge that will never be replaced. It shows no respect for history,culture, and they have shown no respect for life. We can search history for similar hordes. They must be swept away the same way.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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02/28/2015 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by sempergumby:
It saddens me they feel justified in destroying priceless thousands of years old artifacts and knowledge that will never be replaced. It shows no respect for history,culture, and they have shown no respect for life. We can search history for similar hordes. They must be swept away the same way. The good news is that because they were in a museum, they were already well-documented. Replicas can be easily made based on the documentation. I'm more concerned about my fellow Christians in Iraq and Syria. I don't think the US government has any business interfering. HOWEVER, I as a Christian should indeed be doing something about the ISIS cancer.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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02/28/2015 02:35 PM
02/28/2015 02:35 PM
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Jihadis torched the most valuable library in the history of mankind when they first took control of Alexandria in Egypt. It contained translations of ancient artifacts, stuff from ancient aliens, original holy manuscripts, most of what we have been able to piece together since then had to be put together from fragments and memories of people who had been educated there and survived the mass executions. It was the main archive repository of the Roman Empire, but they had managed to salvage rather than destroy the main archive libraries of previous empires.
It would be the equivalent to torching the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian Museum, both of which the Jihadis would happily do.
Some of the Babylonian libraries and museums looted during the war, but at least the stuff is still around somewhere. Most people think it has ended up in private collections of wealthy individuals and will eventually resurface elsewhere relatively locally. At least the stuff was not being outright destroyed.
As for the three "Terrorists" in NY, I have been brushing up on the education about the IS and the current threat level. It is not quite what we thought it was, but in the case of those three, they fit the bill, just the FBI got to them in time. Problem is you can't afford to run elaborate entrapment or death squad stuff on every single one who fits that bill.
Around there the feds are all over a couple mosques which gained credibility among the more "authentic" Muslims. Apparently the main Imam at one of them had kind of a standard talk he does with the Jihadi minded, that they ought to bet getting plane tickets and going somewhere else if that's what they want to do.
On the authentic side, which I strongly suspect is at the hands of some CIA operatives, if they wanna go, then it gets facilitated that they get the fuck out of dodge, make a declaration once overseas which will authenticate their jihad status, and once that's done, its game on, but they are allowed to go.
The Justice Department mainly just wants to fill prison space. Sure, they will indulge individual agents here and there with a kill or two as a rite of passage, but every five criminals killed costs the Justice Department one well paid career level job to hand out to cronies. They really don't want to get too strong into the bodycount business, that's the military job.
By the time anything gets down to the Militia job, its because all hell broke loose and there was a defacto capitulation of the government (like in parts of the Middle East).
The FBI, I don't know what their point is supposed to be, but I can understand that once they have become aware of someone having the desire to pull off a terrorist plot, it's not like it's their duty to let it happen either.
Hence, I stand by the policy on this of holding off, holding the safe zones, let those fuckers have at it for a while and sort out what the sides are without jumping in with automatic blame going one way or the other.
For a lot of obvious reasons, the Jihadis have become an enemy. The feds, claiming to be our rulers and demanding unilateral disarmament from a lot of us, plus frequently lying to us, that's kind of into abdication of the legitimacy of authority turf, but while it plays footsie with enemy turf, it's not quite there in the face of this Jihadi thing.
The other thing about trying to keep a lid on anyone going pogrom happy is dipshits like that guy who shot up a Sikh temple. What recon I have managed to do on supposed "jihad training camps in the US" sifted out as bullshit right at the satellite recon level. Some of the properties listed are simply not large enough to be training facilities.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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02/28/2015 02:48 PM
02/28/2015 02:48 PM
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As for other security protocols, most of it is "Capitan Obvious" grade stuff. Those guys have the balls to go hijacking Al Queda safehouses and caches, and they damn sure would hijack your weapons stash if given the chance.
There was a mall shooting not far from where I live where one of these characters stole an AR from a guy, apparently some home built rig which jammed up on him. He was not classified as a Jihadi, they said "mentally unstable individual" in the news reports, but other elements of that smell too much like a self radicalized early bird IS. Their plan, like the attacks in Europe is that they pull something off either before heading to the IS, or if they find it impossible to go (hence the CIA plans for discreetly facilitating their exile on a case by case basis). If they are fresh out from an attack, then they won't make it, that's the plan. If they just sold their shit and got passports (which they burn upon arrival), then so be it. Maybe track them, and the standard offer being that if for whatever reason they decide they can't handle jihad and want a pipeline out with complete debrief, maybe something can be worked out. That, in fact, is where a lot of the most current intel is coming from. If they self radicalize and self organize their own pipelines for getting their own people out of the west with no agency involvement at all, then that's the problem right there, it means they can go with plan "A" which is to do some damage then leave.
According to the Germans who managed to get into and out of the IS and do their own psych evaluations, they don't consider the people coming out of the IS to be the real threat. The reasons they leave the IS is they were rejected or flunked out somehow and don't really want to go back. They smoke tobacco, or weed, they might be queer, they might just be useless lazy fucks or exhibited cowardice on the battlefield. They thought maybe they were radical but were proven by their own kind not to have the stomach for it. The ones you would then need to worry the most about are like the Tsarnaev brothers. They want to pull something off that gets them a victory welcome parade when they show up to the IS. Maybe not 99 virgins in paradise, but if they make it, a victory parade and bevvy of bitches volunteering to be their harem, that, apparently the IS can arrange locally there.
That means you are better off trusting a criminal felon with access to weapons than those people. They don't work at gun shops, they don't get around police or military armories, they don't work at gun and ammunition factories, you politely keep them at arms length in any patriot movement stuff. If they go to a gun shop and buy shit with a background check, then that's them. If they are buying a dozen AKs at a time fast and furious style, then informing to the FBI does not make it cool, you find an excuse not to do the business, period, done, shot called. Hadji mart owner wants a .357 for protecting his cash register from the ghetto goblins, OK, fine. He wants a half dozen FN FALs, uh, no dude. Fresh out...
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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03/13/2015 04:32 PM
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Vatican calls for a Crusade against ISIS. Well, not exactly, but Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican's United Nations diplomat, is calling for the use of force against ISIS. The main Vatican UN diplomat, Italian Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, has called for armed resistance to ISIS in a document presented to the UN Human Rights Council. Crux interviewed him about its aims: Tomasi told Crux that in the first instance, he hopes the statement will galvanize nations around the world to provide humanitarian aid to Christians and other groups suffering at the hands of ISIS, “so they can survive and stand up for their own rights.”
Beyond that, Tomasi said, the crisis requires “more coordinated protection, including the use of force to stop the hands of an aggressor.”
“It will be up the United Nations and its member states, especially the Security Council, to determine the exact form of intervention necessary,” he said, “but some responsibility [to act] is clear.” The Vatican is clearly calling for some sort of UN-authorized force here. Tomasi further said that whatever force is formed, it must not be just a “Western approach.” Regardless, this statement could fuel the burgeoning movement of Westerners traveling to the Middle East to fight ISIS. There have been several profiles published of American veterans joining anti-ISIS forces; in at least some cases the motivations have been religious, with some American volunteers apparently having joined a Christian militia called Dwekh Nawsha. The AP described one American volunteer this way: “Bearing a tattoo of a machine gun on his left arm and another of Jesus in a crown of thorns on his right, Brett jokingly refers to himself as a ‘crusader.'”A Daily Beast article paraphrased one volunteer fighting the Kurds: “a lot of his ex-Army buddies are itching to get to Iraq and join the anti-ISIS fight, but he says many have been blocked because they make those plans public on social media.” For self-styled crusaders, a call from the Vatican might be just the thing to nudge them to join the fight—whether that’s what the Vatican intended or not. Onward and upward, airforce
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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03/13/2015 06:43 PM
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I sense a lot of opportunities on this, but unlike the paid Iraq contractor work, it is likely not going to be financially rewarding any time soon and can prove pretty costly no matter how it ads up.
What I see the real measure being on this is whether or not any serious money is raised to fund these guys going over. Right now I think a lot of them are collecting some sort of Uncle Sam money one way or another, retirement, disability, other stuff. Meanwhile televangelists are buying themselves mansions and airplanes.
What's really going to sort out on this is the division between the truly righteous and those who have just been playing all of this conflict as a social and moneymaking game except this does have a price of entry.
Getting people in and out of the country is a task of its own, but gives practice on the "underground railroad". Most likely involving flights between Mexico, Canada and the Middle East, specifically Kuwait, Jordan, and maybe Saudi Arabia. You can scam it through Israel, but I hear that if you have an Israeli stamp on your passport then try to get into one of those other countries, they can treat you pretty badly.
I see the real problem on this is funding. There is really no lack of volunteers from what I can tell in the commentary on the articles and youtube videos. Second is logistics. Making sure the people and supplies get to where they need to be in order for the tactical people to carry out operations. That's where I am seeing these guys as not being particularly combat effective. It is volunteers who can barely gas up their trucks to go buy some guns and knockoff surplus tactical gear at the local flea markets let alone carry out any combat operations, like cross desert rat patrol type raids against ISIS strongholds or rescuing Christian hostages.
Little stuff, they are having translation problems with their public relations works. That all could use some professional help too and I think a fair amount of that work could be done elsewhere. The plight of the Assyrian Christians could reach the hearts and minds of Christians worldwide if publicized right. I would imagine they could even get some participation from countries which I don't think were originally members of coalition forces, like Brazil and Argentina just on the principal of the matter, a lot of second world societies coming up on first world standards of living wanting to strut their stuff in the big arena without having to foot an American scale of foreign relations bill to make things happen.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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03/14/2015 06:08 AM
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I've seen a lot of stories of Americans going over there to fight ISIS. If anyone here is thinking of doing that, I would strongly urge him to think again.
You will be fighting one evil group, but you won't really know if the group you're fighting with is any better. John McCain and Nancy Pelosi, among others, can't tell the good guys from the bad over there. What makes you think you can?
Sen. Rand Paul is suggesting we help the Kurds form a new country, Kurdistan. I don't have any problem with the Kurds having a country, just with us having anything to do with forming it. Most of the problems over there stem from the fact the British didn't know what they were doing when they drew up maps of the Middle East, and I think we've already shown that we aren't any better. I would leave it up to them to figure out.
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Re: ISIS Will Be a 30-Year War
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03/14/2015 11:42 AM
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Sadly the Brits knew exactly what they were doing... A standard colonial modle was to split strong ethnic/cultural into smaller disunified colonies, where they would be a minirity in all 3-4 colonies. The borders in Africa were all done this way, with the help of the Germans, French, Portuguese and Belgians...
It made it easier to rule.
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