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"It's For Syria!" #158835
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Paris is under attack. And scores are dead already. It will be interesting to see what effect this will have on the debate over refugees in Europe, and here.

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And how can terrorists shoot people in a Country with big time Gun Control.

The French are stupid enough to let large numbers of Muslims in so this is how the French are awarded for their Stupid Generosity.

And the Stupid United States Government wants to let in even more Muslims.


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Ship them to the ape Persian gulf and Saudis....


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The official death toll is at 140, but there are reports there are "hundreds" dead at the concert hall.

German chancellor Angela Merkel was already in political trouble, and this isn't likely to help her.

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Dayum. Its game on for Europe now.

Who was that guy who posted videos and stuff on "stages of Jihad" and Islamic takeover? It looks like the Paris area Muslims have decided to take it to the destabilization stage.

They probably ought to sack Merkel and dump those refugees back in Turkey, but from what I can see, these attacks were carried out by Jihadists who were already there.


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But it's impossible to deport 10 million illegal aliens...


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Last report, the authorities are saying there are still gunmen running loose. The last time Paris was under martial law was before my time, and that's saying something.

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President Hollande says France "is going to lead a war" against Islamic militants , and that his country's response will be "ruthless." Pacifism can disappear pretty quickly, apparently.

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I hope that the Frogs get really pissed... And go after these cockroaches with everything they have.

Between them and the Ruskies, they could do it.


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The Democrats are having another debate tonight. It will be interesting to see what they have to say about this.

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Today was another irritating day in a long line of irritating days and I got home early and had something good to drink and went to bed so I almost forgot about the Dems and their Debate.

I will watch it just to see how bad it will be if a Dem gets elected. I know it will be very bad but I want as much information about the enemy as I can get.


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President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry will fly to Paris soon - to attend the climate change conference .

The climate is changing alright.

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Obama and Kerry will soon be flying to Paris to beat their breasts about how the climate is changing … for the worse.

No kidding, the climate in France is changing!

But these clowns are making like ostriches, burying their heads in the sand. Hey, all Nero did was fiddle while Rome burned. Our new emperors are actively conniving to import more arsonists — “migrants” — into our modern-day Rome.

Obama doesn’t care that his own FBI director has said publicly we have no way of vetting this next generation of Tsarnaevs. He just wants to get them over here and onto to the welfare rolls (91 percent of Arab-speaking refugees are on the dole).

Vote Democrat — this is for Syria!

As the Muslims slaughtered Christians in the City of Light, another deluded multimillionaire flim-flam man named Al Gore was doing his own climate-change webcast from the base of the Eiffel Tower — “24 Hours of Reality and Live Earth.” Alas, reality intruded on Gore’s faux “reality.” The plug was pulled.

Meanwhile, Obama goes on ABC “News” Friday with a Clinton operative named George Stephanopoulos. Hours before the ISIS attack, Obama tells his courtier that his administration has got that junior varsity known as ISIS on the run. “I don’t think,” Obama said, “they’re gaining in strength.”

Think again.

“Our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.” (...)
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Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan is halting efforts to bring Syrian refugees to Michigan.

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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder says he is suspending efforts to bring Syrian refugees to Michigan in light of the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday.

"Given the terrible situation in Paris, I've directed that we put on hold our efforts to accept new refugees until the U.S. Department of Homeland Security completes a full review of security clearances and procedures," Snyder said in a statement released by his office on Sunday.

"Michigan is a welcoming state and we are proud of our rich history of immigration," the statement said. "But our first priority is protecting the safety of our residents." (...)
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The governor of Alabama, Robert Bentley, will also ban Syrian refugees in his state.

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I will not stand complicit to a policy that places the citizens of Alabama in harm’s way. We refuse Syrian refugees.
Meanwhile, 10 French warplanes dropped 20 bombs on Raqqa, the headquarters of ISIS in Syria. A training camp and a munitions depot were targeted.

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"Could Paris Happen Here?" is an actual headline from the New York Times.

Answer:

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Widespread Terrorism Is Just Part Of The Perfect Storm That Is Now Descending On The Western World

By Michael Snyder, on November 15th, 2015


Perfect Storm - Public DomainWords cannot adequately describe the utter horror that was unleashed on the streets of Paris, France on Friday. CNN is calling it “the worst violence witnessed in France since World War II“, and even though it happened a couple of days ago now, many of us are still having a really tough time processing what took place. Somehow, a small group of less than 10 radical Islamists was able to unleash a coordinated wave of attacks that killed at least 129 people and injured at least 350. All of this comes less than a year after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, and many in the western world are now starting to understand that something has fundamentally changed. Even though France has a highly advanced anti-terrorism infrastructure, and even though it also has some of the strictest anti-gun laws in Europe, none of that did anything to prevent these attacks. Despite all of our advanced technology, the openness of our society makes us highly vulnerable to Islamic terror. And as more waves of refugees from the Middle East are absorbed by both Europe and the United States, it is inevitable that there will be more attacks like this.

According to Google, the definition of a “soft target” is “a person or thing that is relatively unprotected or vulnerable, especially to military or terrorist attack.” And as we just saw in France, the western world is literally teeming with soft targets. I am talking about sporting events, concert halls, schools, churches, shopping malls, power stations, water treatment facilities, mass transit, etc.

For those that wish to create terror, the opportunities are endless.

In the western world, we generally rely on certain deterrents in order to maintain order. Most sane people do not want to be shot, and most sane people do not want to go to prison.

But what do you do when there are large numbers of crazy people that are actually looking forward to being martyrs?

We don’t really have a defense for the kind of attack that we just witnessed in France. What can you really do when you are dealing with large numbers of homicidal maniacs that are not afraid to die and that can strike anywhere at any time? Unless you can identify the terrorists or their plans ahead of time, it becomes a guessing game.

And the level of evil demonstrated by these terrorists is truly astounding. At the Bataclan Theater, two of the terrorists fired their AK-47s indiscriminately into the crowd for a full 10 minutes…

At the Bataclan Theater, at least 75 people attending a concert by a U.S. rock band were killed and many more injured, according to authorities. Eyewitnesses spoke of two young men armed with AK47 assault rifles firing repetitively and dispassionately into the crowded venue, targeting helpless victims cowering on the floor.

Julien Pearce, a radio reporter who was inside the concert hall, told CNN he saw two terrorists at the back of the venue, “firing randomly to the crowd. People yelled, screamed, everybody lying on the floor. And it lasted for ten minutes, ten minutes, ten horrific minutes, where everybody was on the floor covering their heads.”

But these latest attacks are just part of a wider trend of chaos and terror that has descended upon western Europe. For much, much more on this, please check out this video.

Sadly, what Europe is currently experiencing is coming here too.

When I first start dealing with someone new, I watch to see if that individual will actually follow through on what he or she has promised. Sometimes this happens, but sometimes it does not.

In the case of ISIS, I would have to say that they are indeed following through on what they said they would do. Tonight, much of Europe is completely gripped by fear and terror, and the head of ISIS has promised a “direct confrontation” with the United States as well…

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), issued a rare audio message back on January 21 in which he flatly stated his group’s intention to march on Baghdad and move into “direct confrontation” with the United States.

“Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” Baghdadi said. “So watch, for we are with you, watching.”

As WND has pointed out, there have been dozens of Islamic terror attacks on U.S. soil since 2001, but most of them have been relatively small.

Unfortunately, I believe that we are moving into a new era. Instead of just being satisfied with killing dozens or hundreds of people, these terrorists will start getting a hold of weapons that can kill thousands. Eventually we will see terror attacks inside this country that will make 9/11 look like a Sunday picnic. And Barack Obama is certainly not helping things by “resettling” thousands upon thousands of Syrian refugees in communities all over America.

Of course increasing terror is just a part of the overall picture. Many have described what is coming to the United States and Europe as a “perfect storm”, and I would agree with that assessment.

Even without Islamic terror, we live at a time of rising civil unrest. The deep divisions in our country have been demonstrated by what happened in Ferguson, in Baltimore and more recently at the University of Missouri. Americans are angrier and more frustrated than ever before, and the mainstream media is constantly playing up the divisions between various groups. And thanks to Barack Obama’s refusal to protect our borders, there are now 1.4 million members of criminal gangs living in our cities. Violent crime is already on the rise in our urban areas, and it is going to get even worse as we plunge into recession. For instance, the city of Baltimore recently recorded its 300th homicide of the year after only seeing 211 for all of 2014. Our major cities have never been more primed for civil unrest, and I believe that we are going to see widespread rioting, looting and chaos in the years ahead as the economy totally falls to pieces.

In addition to increased Islamic terror and civil unrest, I also believe we are moving into a time of great governmental shaking, increased tensions between global superpowers, unprecedented natural disasters, and the greatest financial unraveling the world has ever seen.

All of these trends will feed into one another to create the “perfect storm” that I mentioned earlier. What this is going to mean is a dramatic change in our standard of living, our liberties and freedoms will continue to be stripped away, and our world is going to be transformed at a pace that very few of us ever imagined was possible.

If you have the feeling that everything has changed after what just happened in France, you are right.

But this is just the beginning.

What is coming in the weeks and months ahead is going to be even worse, and it is going to shock the entire planet.


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AS PARIS BURNED: Obama Quietly Doubles Processing Centers for Syrian Refugees into the U.S.

By Sara Noble

As Parisians were being slaughtered by radical Islamists, of whom at least one and perhaps two were migrants, Barack Obama was opening new processing centers which will double the number available to refugees in the Middle East in an effort to speed up and increase the numbers to be admitted.

Most Syrians are screened at U.S. resettlement at centers in Istanbul and Amman, Jordan.

The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.

“We want to be in a place where we can push out really ambitious goals,” said one of the officials, who spoke to Reuters on the condition of anonymity.

Lebanon had been closed because it’s too dangerous. What’s changed? If anything it’s more dangerous.

Barack Obama wants to move them in before Americans start demanding the massive flow be halted.

We no longer know how many refugees he is going to take in. There is a veil of silence but we know that it was originally 10,000 additional Syrians, 200,000 refugees each year for two years, and we know the Democrats want far more.

It was a Syrian migrant according to the latest news reports who was found among the dead suicide bombers in Paris Friday night, having entered Serbia on October 2nd where he was vetted and vetted again Greece on October 3rd.

The media will tell us the US is taking too few but we take in more than all the other countries combined.

The U.S. State Department confirmed the plans to open a refugee settlement processing center in Erbil, Iraq, before the end of 2015, and to resume refugee processing in Lebanon in early 2016, said spokeswoman Danna Van Brandt.

Both are hotbeds of terrorist activities.

We already have nine screening centers worldwide and DHS employees – clerks – will decide who can come in and be resettled. The intelligence agencies have told us we cannot vet these people so we’ve decided to turn it over to bureaucrats.

Some Republicans are concerned about national security.

“We have little or no information about who these people are … no ability to determine whether they are radicalized,” Republican Senator Jeff Sessions said at a hearing on Oct. 2.

When are Americans going to start paying attention?


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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At least 26 governors have now said "No, thanks" to Syrian refugees. That Syrian passport they found on a dead terrorist? The French are now saying it's a fake - meaning he may not be an immigrant at all.

And the Russians are now confirming it was a bomb that brought down that airliner over Egypt, murdering 224 people.

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I think the better option is building, securing and supplying the refugee centers in the region.


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With all the people fleeing the middle east, then there should be vast areas of unoccupied land. Sounds like a golden opportunity for an Eric Prince type to move in and take over as a warlord and go all 'Heart of Darkness'.


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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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World War III – The free world vs. radical Islam

November 15, 2015

By Ray Starmann

ISIS and radical Islam have declared war on anyone who believes in the cause of freedom.

This is World War III. ISIS knows it. Does President Obama? Does Prime Minister Cameron? Does Chancellor Merkel? Does President Hollande?

As ISIS attacks Paris, Obama wants to ship in 100,000 Syrians who can’t be vetted and Merkel speaks of tolerance.

Obama, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel: the names don’t exactly denote fortitude do they?

Hollande just hit ISIS with 20 bombs and is sending an aircraft carrier to the region. It’s a good start. It’s a jab, a pin prick of what needs to be done. What Hollande should do is invoke Article V of the NATO Charter, which states, “The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”

What needs to be done is not for the faint-hearted. It is what nations do during world wars. It is total war and whether anyone wants to admit or not, that is what we must wage, a ruthless, vicious war.

This is a time for real leadership and for men and women made of steel. Sadly, the West has no Churchills, no De Gaulles, no Thatchers, no Reagan’s to call upon, to take the helm, to lead us all to victory. We are left with wallflowers, when we need warriors.

Israel does have Netanyahu. Notice how ISIS hasn’t hit Israel yet. Netanyahu is a friend, the best of friends and he can help. Putin is a tough customer, a roughneck in a silk suit. He’s just what the doctor ordered in the fight against ISIS. He needs to become an ally in World War III, not someone we’re rehashing Cold War arguments with. We can worry about Latvia another time.

It’s not about jobs President Obama. ISIS has a job. Their job is to kill us.

The leaders of the West are weak at best and dangerous at worst; dangerous because their cowardice and naivete and political pandering are making us all targets.

There is no more time for memorial tributes, for candle lighting, for holding hands in the dark and singing Kumbaya on the Champs Élysées. Those days are long gone. Mourn the dead when the war is over, when the bodies of ISIS fighters are stacked like cordwood on the burning ash heap of history.

Until then, it is time for the free world to arm itself against these maniacs. And, to wage war with all our might and with all the strength God can give us. To wage war until the last breath is taken by the last ISIS murderer on the planet. For without victory there is no survival; no survival for America, no survival for Europe, no survival for anyone in the world who believes in the cause of freedom.

It doesn’t matter what skin color you are, what gender you are, what religion you are. It doesn’t matter what flag you fly or where you born or how much money you have or what your job is. You just have to answer one simple question.

Do you believe that ISIS and radical Islam must be destroyed?

If the answer is yes, you are part of the Allied cause which doesn’t actually exist yet in an organized form. You are a freedom fighter. You are on the side of the angels against darkness.

If not, you are the enemy and you will in due time be destroyed.

There must be an Allied coalition formed, much like World War II. The Allied nations must meet and work out a strategy to fight ISIS. The first act must be a declaration of war on the Islamic State.

Yes, a declaration of war. The Allies must declare war against the Islamic State.

The war with radical Islam and against ISIS has transcended the Intelligence/Special Forces world. While their participation is key to final victory, to win this war we need to use conventional air forces and conventional armies to pound ISIS into oblivion.

It is no longer an effort where America goes to the mall, while a minute percent of the country fights the war. Those days are over. All Americans must participate in one form or another in the final destruction of radical Islam.

There must no longer be any holding back. Any leaders who won’t wage war must resign. At the top of the list are Obama and Merkel. If the President of the United States doesn’t have the guts to fight ISIS, then please resign and go back to the community center in Chicago. Chancellor Merkel is on the road to destroying Germany and Europe. She must resign immediately.

The free world has run out of time. There is no more time for cowardice. No more time for naivete. No more time for half measures. No more time for excuses. No more time for political correctness. No more time for worrying about climate change and safe spaces and imaginary racism when madmen are looting the planet.

It is thirty seconds to midnight for the free world. The clock is ticking.

It is time to wage total war.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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France and Russia are planning joint operations against ISIS in Syria.

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...Both the French and Russian forces are now striking at targets within Syria — and today, Tass says Russia's pilots have been told to hunt down and destroy tanker trucks that ISIS is using to move crude oil and petroleum products as part of its finance operation.

Citing Kartapolov, Tass reports, "Russian warplanes have destroyed about 500 fuel tank trucks that were illegally transporting oil from Syria to Iraq for refining."
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Obama administration blocks 75% of U.S. airstrikes on ISIS.

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U.S. military pilots who have returned from the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq are confirming that they were blocked from dropping 75 percent of their ordnance on terror targets because they could not get clearance to launch a strike, according to a leading member of Congress.

Strikes against the Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) targets are often blocked due to an Obama administration policy to prevent civilian deaths and collateral damage, according to Rep. Ed Royce (R., Calif.), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

The policy is being blamed for allowing Islamic State militants to gain strength across Iraq and continue waging terrorist strikes throughout the region and beyond, according to Royce and former military leaders who spoke Wednesday about flaws in the U.S. campaign to combat the Islamic State.

“You went 12 full months while ISIS was on the march without the U.S. using that air power and now as the pilots come back to talk to us they say three-quarters of our ordnance we can’t drop, we can’t get clearance even when we have a clear target in front of us,” Royce said. “I don’t understand this strategy at all because this is what has allowed ISIS the advantage and ability to recruit.”

When asked to address Royce’s statement, a Pentagon official defended the Obama administration’s policy and said that the military is furiously working to prevent civilian casualties.

“The bottom line is that we will not stoop to the level of our enemy and put civilians more in harm’s way than absolutely necessary,” the official told the Washington Free Beacon, explaining that the military often conducts flights “and don’t strike anything.” (...)
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A lot of meda coverage complains about collateral damage from the drone strikes, of course the decision makers are going to hesitate approval on the strikes. World opinion is not going to let any of us get away with using reconnaissance by fire on IS held towns and villages, definitely not cities.


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Collateral damage is also counter productive anyway. I can remember when napalm strikes on villages became a recruiting posters for the Viet Cong and NVA, and I have little doubt the same is true today.

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"Anonymous," the group of hackers who seem to be doing more against ISIS than anyone else, has uncovered information that ISIS is planning attacks in the U.S., Paris, and elsewhere for tomorrow, Nov. 22.

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The hacker collective Anonymous says the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is planning to launch attacks in the U.S., Paris, Indonesia, Italy and Lebanon on Sunday.

OpParisIntel, the name of Anonymous’ mission against ISIS, released a statement Saturday saying it had uncovered information regarding new terror plots “on Paris and the world” scheduled for Nov. 22.

“All proof was submitted to official authorities all around the globe days ago,” the statement said, as first reported by the International Business Times. “They have it and it is their responsibility to do something with it. But because they have not done anything with it yet and it’s almost the 22nd, we have matters into our own hands.”

“We only take the responsibility of warning civilians (incase the authorities do not act well enough),” the statement added.


Anonymous warned against attending events with large crowds, especially church services, but added that “the risk of any churches outside Paris/France being targeted is low."

The group listed several events in Paris that it said “have been confirmed are at risk” and several events around the world that are not yet “100% confirmed,” including a major WWE pro wrestling event in Atlanta, Ga.

“The goal is to make sure the whole world, or at least the people going to these events, know that there have been threats and that there is possibility of an attack to happen,” the statement continued.

Anonymous told IBT that it has sent the information to U.K. intelligence agency MI5, as well as the CIA and the FBI in the U.S., but has refused to release proof of the attacks publicly.

“If we share the proof [publicly], everyone will start calling it fake because screenshots can be edited and accounts can be deleted,” the hacking group said. “We have purposely not shared account links publicly because they would be shut down immediately and then no one would believe the proof.”

Anonymous declared cyber war on ISIS after the group claimed responsibility for a terrorist attack in Paris last week, killing at least 132 civilians and injuring hundreds.

The collective claimed to have shut down 5,500 ISIS Twitter accounts earlier this week.
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Word,

They likely are going to try and hit a few churches during Sunday Service. If I remember correctly, some of the Jihadi groups were doing that in Africa a few years back.


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Word,

They likely are going to try and hit a few churches during Sunday Service. If I remember correctly, some of the Jihadi groups were doing that in Africa a few years back.
There is one very big difference between Europe and here.

We have a lot more gun owners then they have and if they hit any of our Churches at least some Mosques are going to BURN along with some Muslims.

Take FEAR + HATE and add in a little RACISM and what happened in 1921 Tulsa just may happen again except this time it will be Muslims getting killed.


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Yeah, I hate to bring it up, but I have worked with some refugee settlement stuff off and on over the last few years. Its about as close to the "action" as the government was ever going to let me get. I am afraid that this is going to play into the sympathies to the Jihadis if someone does counter-strike any mosques but it is likely the way that such a scenario is meant to play out.

Also, on the big picture, most of your Jihadi types are not poor refugees. They often come from the privileged classes in moderate Muslim countries.

Its a touchy issue here since we need a lot of those people to act as translators on the various communications intercepts going on overseas along with people willing to go back on behalf of US interests and capable of blending in those societies with loyalties rooted here in America instead of there. That's where I saw the value in refugees. Get them over, treat them nice, and they are more likely to end up a US asset than IS asset. The IS knows that. While some consider that if 2% of the refugees are going Jihadi on us, the Jihadis have to figure a good 20%-30% will go hard core American loyalist on them, and that's "new Americans" who know the local languages and culture in the areas that the Jihadis wish to control. In either event however, it brings the game home and it will no longer just be a war "over there".


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Uh-oh. A Turkish F-16 ha shot down a Russian warplane flying near the Turkish border. Putin is warning of "serious consequences," and is accusing Turkey of shielding terrorists.

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Were witnessing the early stage of the next world war.

Plan accordingly.


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The rescued Russian copilot says there was no warning before he was shot down.

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“There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That’s why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn’t even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres.”
The pilot was apparently murdered by Syrian rebels as his parachute was coming down.

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Murdered in clear violation of Geneva Conventions... Shooting at a defenseless survivor in a parachute while yelling "allah Akbar"....

THESE are the "moderates" that our leaders have recruited, financed and trained!


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Is Turkey propping up ISIS? It sure seems that way. Putin is now claiming that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS - giving the "caliphate" some much need funds.

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...And was there any truth in Putin’s accusation yesterday — made just as Moscow was expelling 39 Turkish businessmen attending a conference in Russia — that Turkey is propping up ISIS by buying oil from them?

This latest claim inevitably prompted a furious response from Erdogan, who accused Putin of slander. But the fact is that Erdogan’s regime has on many occasions turned a blind eye to ISIS activity in Turkey, as well as to Turkish businessmen and smugglers doing trade deals with the jihadist butchers.

To be fair, on the surface, Turkey’s president is fully involved in the fight against ISIS. In October he allowed U.S. jets to use Turkey’s Incirlik air base for operations against ISIS, pledging that his forces, too, would join the fight.

But the truth is that Turkey’s planes have aimed their missiles almost exclusively at the one army which poses a real threat to ISIS, and has won countless battlefield victories against them — the Kurdish PKK forces inside Syria.

The trouble is that Erdogan, who has spent years ruthlessly concentrating power into his own hands, considers the Kurds an even greater threat to his nation than ISIS.
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Look into Erdogan's background. Typical back stabbing dirty dealer. Wouldn't trust him in an out house with a muzzle on. The Kurds should wipe Turkey off the map.


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Stumbling to War With Russia?

Friday - November 27, 2015

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Turkey’s decision to shoot down a Russian warplane was a provocative and portentous act.

That Sukhoi Su-24, which the Turks say intruded into their air space, crashed and burned — in Syria. One of the Russian pilots was executed while parachuting to safety. A Russian rescue helicopter was destroyed by rebels using a U.S. TOW missile. A Russian marine was killed.

“A stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists,” said Vladimir Putin of the first downing of a Russian warplane by a NATO nation in half a century. Putin has a point, as the Russians are bombing rebels in northwest Syria, some of which are linked to al-Qaida.

As it is impossible to believe Turkish F-16 pilots would fire missiles at a Russian plane without authorization from President Tayyip Recep Erdogan, we must ask: Why did the Turkish autocrat do it?

Why is he risking a clash with Russia?

Answer: Erdogan is probably less outraged by intrusions into his air space than by Putin’s success in securing the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad, whom Erdogan detests, and by relentless Russian air strikes on Turkmen rebels seeking to overthrow Assad.

Imperiled strategic goals and ethnicity may explain Erdogan. But what does the Turkish president see down at the end of this road?

And what about us? Was the U.S. government aware Turkey might attack Russian planes? Did we give Erdogan a green light to shoot them down?

These are not insignificant questions.

For Turkey is a NATO ally. And if Russia strikes back, there is a possibility Ankara will invoke Article V of NATO and demand that we come in on their side in any fight with Russia.

And Putin was not at all cowed. Twenty-four hours after that plane went down, his planes, ships and artillery were firing on those same Turkmen rebels and their jihadist allies.

Politically, the Turkish attack on the Sukhoi Su-24 has probably aborted plans to have Russia join France and the U.S. in targeting ISIS, a diplomatic reversal of the first order.

Indeed, it now seems clear that in Syria’s civil war, Turkey is on the rebel-jihadist side, with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah on the side of the Syrian regime.

But whose side are we on?

As for what strategy and solution President Obama offers, and how exactly he plans to achieve it, it remains an enigma.

Nor is this the end of the alarming news.

According to The Times of Israel, Damascus reports that, on Monday, Israel launched four strikes, killing five Syrian soldiers and eight Hezbollah fighters, and wounding others.

Should Assad or Hezbollah retaliate, this could bring Israel more openly into the Syrian civil war.

And if Israel is attacked, the pressure on Washington to join her in attacking the Syrian regime and Hezbollah would become intense.

Yet, should we accede to that pressure, it could bring us into direct conflict with Russia, which is now the fighting ally of the Assad regime.

Something U.S. presidents conscientiously avoided through 45 years of Cold War — a military clash with Moscow — could become a real possibility. Does the White House see what is unfolding here?

Elsewhere, yet another Russia-NATO clash may be brewing.

In southern Ukraine, pylons supporting the power lines that deliver electricity to Crimea have been sabotaged, blown up, reportedly by nationalists, shutting off much of the electric power to the peninsula.

Repair crews have been prevented from fixing the pylons by Crimean Tatars, angry at the treatment of their kinfolk in Crimea.

In solidarity with the Tatars, Kiev has declared that trucks carrying goods to Crimea will not be allowed to cross the border.

A state of emergency has been declared in Crimea.

Russia is retaliating, saying it will not buy produce from Ukraine, and may start cutting off gas and coal as winter begins to set in.

Ukraine is as dependent upon Russia for fossil fuels as Crimea is upon Ukraine for electricity. Crimea receives 85 percent of its water and 80 percent of its electricity from Ukraine.

Moreover, Moscow’s hopes for a lifting of U.S. and EU sanctions, imposed after the annexation of Crimea, appear to be fading.

Are these events coordinated? Has the U.S. government given a go-ahead to Erdogan to shoot down Russian planes? Has Obama authorized a Ukrainian economic quarantine of Crimea?

For Vladimir Putin is not without options. The Russian Army and pro-Russian rebels in southeast Ukraine could occupy Mariupol on the Black Sea and establish a land bridge to Crimea in two weeks.

In Syria, the Russians, with 4,000 troops, could escalate far more rapidly than either us or our French allies.

As of today, Putin supports U.S.-French attacks on ISIS. But if we follow the Turks and begin aiding the rebels who are attacking the Syrian army, we could find ourselves eyeball to eyeball in a confrontation with Russia, where our NATO allies will be nowhere to be found.

Has anyone thought this through?


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