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A vision of the future #101474
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This might sound Tin-foil but I'm sure its not... I been looking at economics, over-population and environmental assets in a logistical sense and not a human one. Here is my findings in a nut shell we are beyond screwed. The US dollar gets its value from oil, yes GPA and jobs per percentage of the country have an impact but we only have such a high exchange rate do to oil being the world reserve currency and being the trade currency of oil. If the UN creates a global currency the economy will have to be backed up by people working so... there is no glass ceiling. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, BUsh Jr. & Obama all knew/know this. Which explains an ever increasing drive to disarm the population and build up a military industria complex. Even before the industrial era, this was marked by the Imprial use of slaves in all empires across the history; Africa, hinese, Egypt, Greece, Rome, British, Spanish, Nazi, USSR & American.

So as the empire grows using an inflated market that inflates the value of currency; in he past this was gold, silver or other precious metal "coin of the realm" given value as official trade tokens. As land owned by the nation becomes more resticted wars to colonize (more specifically conquor a weaker enemy and turn its native land into a "colony") to be exploited for the benefit of the impirial state. In this case we the US are the imperial state btw...

US Foriegn Policy:
We enter smaller countries with a large industrial military and conquor them, we establish "puppet regimes" we are armed & funded by the US but use native soldiers to enforce US policy. Are funding backs tyrannts, terrorists and warlords we control a native population with force. The US maintains its natural resources as much as possible by using foriegn resources; including human resources in the form of workers. Eventually we leave an area with only a small percentage of Americans richer using foriegn resources. Eventually the US pulls out major business which also takes with it much of the US military funding to foriegn militaries. This results in chaos, insurrections and tyrannical regimes within these nations who eventually become our enemy. In trying our own terror tactics; lauching a hell fire missile from an unmanned drone (before that we used strike fighters but Drones are cheaper), that kill an enemy target and take out the nieghborhood with it. This in fact creates guerrilla insurrgencies many of which focus on the terrorist tactic.

Understand that guerrilla warfare has a times use the tactic of targetting civilians to frighten a civilian population into forcing politic change. Most often the terrorist tactic is employeed out of anger toward colateral damage and nothing more strategic. Typically guerrillas (smart one's anyway) gain popular support by aiding the civilian population caught in the cross fire. Either way US foriegn policy like that of the Romans, the Soviets or the British suppresses the value of foriegn goods, then inflates the price in US markets to sell it back to the foriegn "colonies." Eventually, wars to control the psuedo-colonies conquored by the Imperial State become wars by other imperial states over resources. We saw this in Europe before the discovry of the New World. We saw this in Asian during the many invasions of Korea by the Japanese and Chinese, the invasion of Japan by the Chinese & Koreans before that and the vivid history of the many wars and invasions between he Hung Dynasty of China and Siam (modern day Thailand), and more.

Movement into a "world economy" has put everything in a rise and fall of Imperialism and now Industiral Imperialism. The turnin point will be the World Currency for us in the US. Foriegn job markets will close, as the US economy tanks and unspent US funding loses value. So in my opinion the question is not how but, when? Not why prepare but, are we preparing properly? I don't think gold is a bad investment but precious metals is an expensive one nd saving money is a joke if the money devalues suddenly and you don't have millions or billions stashed away. At 1/10 the value the US dollar presently, $1,000 dollar savings would have the spending power of $100.

More importantly I don't blame the nation for dailing this back to secure American power or wealth. I don't mind the greedy politician-economists running the nation if they spread a bit of that wealth and security and don't destory the nation in the process. Exhausting the foriegn "colonies" of resources and allowing them to deal with the while heartless could help secure us as a Super Power for many years to come. However, I see Gun Control, a rising attack on gun owners, religions that preach against the humanist powers (particularly Christians, Jews and Muslims) and a build up of military force among law enforcement which amounts to a build up to use force against a hopefully disarmed civilian population.

The economics is alone is scary? The economics and police state military build up is terrifying. So I ask better question; what skills or items have you set aside for exchange based on the value of needs and can you "resupply" those items/items thats are skills related without currency?

Just some thoughts I had looking at current trends, patterns and policies. Disclaimer I am no expert nor do I claim to be.

Re: A vision of the future #101475
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This might sound Tin-foil but I'm sure its not... I been looking at economics, over-population and environmental assets in a logistical sense and not a human one. Here is my findings in a nut shell we are beyond screwed. The US dollar gets its value from oil, yes GPA and jobs per percentage of the country have an impact but we only have such a high exchange rate do to oil being the world reserve currency and being the trade currency of oil. If the UN creates a global currency the economy will have to be backed up by people working so... there is no glass ceiling. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, BUsh Jr. & Obama all knew/know this. Which explains an ever increasing drive to disarm the population and build up a military industria complex. Even before the industrial era, this was marked by the Imprial use of slaves in all empires across the history; Africa, hinese, Egypt, Greece, Rome, British, Spanish, Nazi, USSR & American.

So as the empire grows using an inflated market that inflates the value of currency; in he past this was gold, silver or other precious metal "coin of the realm" given value as official trade tokens. As land owned by the nation becomes more resticted wars to colonize (more specifically conquor a weaker enemy and turn its native land into a "colony") to be exploited for the benefit of the impirial state. In this case we the US are the imperial state btw...

US Foriegn Policy:
We enter smaller countries with a large industrial military and conquor them, we establish "puppet regimes" we are armed & funded by the US but use native soldiers to enforce US policy. Are funding backs tyrannts, terrorists and warlords we control a native population with force. The US maintains its natural resources as much as possible by using foriegn resources; including human resources in the form of workers. Eventually we leave an area with only a small percentage of Americans richer using foriegn resources. Eventually the US pulls out major business which also takes with it much of the US military funding to foriegn militaries. This results in chaos, insurrections and tyrannical regimes within these nations who eventually become our enemy. In trying our own terror tactics; lauching a hell fire missile from an unmanned drone (before that we used strike fighters but Drones are cheaper), that kill an enemy target and take out the nieghborhood with it. This in fact creates guerrilla insurrgencies many of which focus on the terrorist tactic.

Understand that guerrilla warfare has a times use the tactic of targetting civilians to frighten a civilian population into forcing politic change. Most often the terrorist tactic is employeed out of anger toward colateral damage and nothing more strategic. Typically guerrillas (smart one's anyway) gain popular support by aiding the civilian population caught in the cross fire. Either way US foriegn policy like that of the Romans, the Soviets or the British suppresses the value of foriegn goods, then inflates the price in US markets to sell it back to the foriegn "colonies." Eventually, wars to control the psuedo-colonies conquored by the Imperial State become wars by other imperial states over resources. We saw this in Europe before the discovry of the New World. We saw this in Asian during the many invasions of Korea by the Japanese and Chinese, the invasion of Japan by the Chinese & Koreans before that and the vivid history of the many wars and invasions between he Hung Dynasty of China and Siam (modern day Thailand), and more.

Movement into a "world economy" has put everything in a rise and fall of Imperialism and now Industiral Imperialism. The turnin point will be the World Currency for us in the US. Foriegn job markets will close, as the US economy tanks and unspent US funding loses value. So in my opinion the question is not how but, when? Not why prepare but, are we preparing properly? I don't think gold is a bad investment but precious metals is an expensive one nd saving money is a joke if the money devalues suddenly and you don't have millions or billions stashed away. At 1/10 the value the US dollar presently, $1,000 dollar savings would have the spending power of $100.

More importantly I don't blame the nation for dailing this back to secure American power or wealth. I don't mind the greedy politician-economists running the nation if they spread a bit of that wealth and security and don't destory the nation in the process. Exhausting the foriegn "colonies" of resources and allowing them to deal with the while heartless could help secure us as a Super Power for many years to come. However, I see Gun Control, a rising attack on gun owners, religions that preach against the humanist powers (particularly Christians, Jews and Muslims) and a build up of military force among law enforcement which amounts to a build up to use force against a hopefully disarmed civilian population.

The economics is alone is scary? The economics and police state military build up is terrifying. So I ask better question; what skills or items have you set aside for exchange based on the value of needs and can you "resupply" those items/items thats are skills related without currency?

Just some thoughts I had looking at current trends, patterns and policies. Disclaimer I am no expert nor do I claim to be.
Yes, we are screwed. I don't see anyway of avoiding war. Don't know who it will be with but a major war is coming. Hold on while I wrap my head with tin foil...

1: The UN doesn't have the ability to create a new reserve currency. What assets do they have to create it? Can they tax everyone worldwide? Would the PEOPLE allow GOVERNMENT to pay debts by selling our land when they find out that the ruling class was playing a corruption game? Maybe a NWO government might try but we (the US) have nukes.

2: Oil does not give the US $ value. The US dollar is a WW reserve currency like the British Pound before it. Total energy which drives our economy maybe, but not oil. We as a country could be free of foreign oil within a decade if needed, although probably painful. Food and water are probably more critical,and the foreign powers will try to attach farmland and water first. Bill Clinton set this in motion...

3: Buy hard assets: gold, silver, farm land, land as the source of water, food stores, solar energy panels, tools, horses, cows, seed, defensive tools.

4. Every power asserts it's military to control economics. Why did the Constitution advocate a strong navy over an army? One controls trade. He who holds the gold makes the rules...

5. Slavery? Why did the founding fathers assign keep and bear arms as a primary unalienable right? You enslave those that can't protect themselves. Sneaky devils that inhabit the chambers of power for now.

6. If the US government is not maximizing the wealth of every American versus the citizens of the world, they should be drawn and quartered. They were elected to represent our rights, values, needs and expectations and NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD... If they F&%* with my pursuit of happiness and my freedoms for a non-US citizen, hell yes their ass should be swinging from a gallow in front of Congress. If they want to give charity, remove it from their personal bank account...

Damn, I hope the tin foil worked...


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Re: A vision of the future #101476
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I will say within fairness, maximizing the wealth of every American citizen at the expense of others in the world is not exactly my idea of patriotism. That is within reason though. Oil does not give the US dollar value, it's the other way around. Lets face it, the Saudis need to be taught that this country is capable of breaking the petrochemical habit, and while we can go solar they can go back to sucking sand.

As a matter of fact, exploitation without the spread of the founding ideals is more along the lines of the NeCon values, but we also have to recognize that without the threat of followups to the Shays rebellion, there never would have been a bill of rights and one of the big reasons why people in other parts of the world shifted from loving America and Americans to hating us was they were getting our flag waved in their face and told all about Yankee superiority, without anyone pushing for their versions of the bill of Rights. That was an easy choice for the exploiters, since they could kind of sideline the BOR while still claiming to be constitutionalist Americans. It was when Americans got viewed as exploiters and not liberators that caused the shift. When Reagan was speaking for us, everyone knew what we said we stood for, and anyone saying otherwise at the ground level was immediately called out as a phoney patriot or false American. No wonder the Neocons tried harder than the radical liberals to kill him.

The trick when dealing with foreign policy, even at the micro level, is that it will attract immigration from those frustrated by conditions at "home" but the other side is we also have a lot of people who need options, need to be able to get out of the country to enclaves of international liberty. Places where "the Americans are coming" means good booze, good food, beautiful women, the individual right to keep and bear arms, speak your mind and peaceably address grievances, engage in free trade even though the local satrap does not like it.

One thing that the contraction of American influence in the world is doing in our favor is demonstrating how the non-American internationals treat people a hell of a lot worse than we ever did. From North Korean logging outfits in Siberia working on contract for the British to local corruption and pseudo slavery in the southern Pacific. A lot of places that kicked the Americans out are worse off for it. Even if there is one major economic lesson to be learned from the war in Vietnam, the eviction of American influence there with the "support" of every communist regime around seemed to just make it more of a shithole. Same with North Korea.

There is a "secret" to the possibility of some real advancement for America's educated young people in the world but it will always be a game that only the most adventurous can take advantage of, and that is a pioneering grant and financial support system for the expansion of the true American ideals overseas, through a system which is not directly tied to the US government, and is at least self sufficient enough that it can diplomatically withdraw from the government when those kinds of decisions become necessary.


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I don't see anything in the constitution that authorizes our government to take an individual's wealth and enrich someone else, much less a non-citizen living in another country. I expect the government to enact policies that allow our citizens to become more wealthy versus the citizens of any other country. I hope that explains my point.


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I believe the problem is not US citizens making money at the expense of foreigners. The problem is that capital for growth is no longer the monopoly of the people who live in such a country. As long as the Chinese continue to control capital and by that, gain control over the nations of the free world (as it once existed) and have their say into what goes on.

I am a Canadian citizen. I have the privilege to invest in any foreign country, within reason (I can't invest in North Korea directly for example) and if I were to invest in say, America, I would control that country to the extent that I had invested into it.

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I just wanted to point out, in a global economy, the means of producing wealth belong to those who have (or their governments have) control over the hard capital which is spent within a country. You might continue to buy cheap clothing from China, then wonder why the Chinese are profiting at the expense of American workers.

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Well first off let me say this,no matter what theweaker nations will be exploited. ts just a matter of who, if its gonna be someone might as well be us...

Secondly, the issue is this the few are growing rich off the exploitation. Those invested in say Exxon who have oil wells in Iraq due to the US invasion are getting untaxed money as it comes froma foriegn division of the company.

That raise in capital allows them to get money in the form of loans and invest in other companies to gain more capital and make more money. I don't hae an issue with them making money... I hae an issue with the same economists having a say in our politcial process and using US foreign policy to push an UNamareican agenda.

1. The use of crony capatialism to empower those who push for socialism and communism.
2. The Prison state America is becoming.
3. The destruction of American culture and individual responsibility.

I don't think we can stop this train wreck, I think we can use the same strategy of building up before the dollar loses value.

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Asher, I agree. When I went to my liberal arts school for a degree in Political Studies we were taught all sorts of hippie BS. One thing I took away was the idea that people who work hard are rewarded. If an American wants to build car components in China Taipei, it benefits both their workers and the Americans who provide that opportunity.

I know some people don't like the idea of trickle-down economics, but if a person wants to help others, the best way is not foreign aid or free grants. The solution is employment.

My grandfather went to China to teach his trade as part of a government program. He spent about six weeks teaching Reds about his trade. They were fascinated with the idea that if his business didn't do well and lost money, it came out of his pocket. They thought that if his company didn't do well, he should be reimbursed by the government.

That's what separates us from them. If we don't do well in our business, whether it's investing, or running a burrito stand, we can lose. If the Chinese don't do well, they run to the government and demand help.

Now, the problem is that there are Americans and Canadians who believe the government owes them a living and that they are entitled to be supported if their business fails. That's socialism, and that's why I own a gun, speak English and work.

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I actually bought a CD (off brand Rossetta Stone Program) with Spanish, French, Russia, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, German, Dutch & Portigese on it. I figure knowng a few extra languages might come in handy, specially with friends in South Africa, Russia, ROK, Japan, Guam, UK, Ireland, Mexico and the Philipines.

The biggest issue we have as a militia is funding, bake sales is just kinda... idk strange. lol The value of gold will come down as the demand wanes but its been inflated by "panic buying" it will still keep value when the dollar tanks. Everyone seems to forget the UN is a confederacy of nations, alone the UN is worthless but if that committee convinces the nations in that confederacy to adopt a new trade currency the dollar will crumble.

So my plan (which I been playing with in theory) is to invest in a privte support network for my unit; this comes in 3 layers and my belief that any fighting the modern militia will have to do isgoing to be at the guerrilla level... but if you place the founation for the 2nd Stage of guerrilla warfare (parallel government) the transition can occur much faster...

1. Investment(Non-Physial Assets):
I figure everyone has to eat, so investing money commodities (like food) will generate a benefit when "panic buying" of foods occurs due to inflation. Which means buy in now, wait for the price to climb and get out before just it peaks. Thats more cash on hand for other assests.

This can allow for last minute supply buys.

2. Physical Assets:
Selling reloaded ammo is another element which requires things to be on hand, most of all like the food thing. The Militia unit can run a SHTF farm for food, but also use the cow manuer to make Potasium Nitrate which mixed with Charcoal makes Gun Powder (Sulfur is commonly added as well but you can do without it). Grow herbs and develop methods of concentrating and measuring the chemical that makes it effective allows the militia to create cheap and effective medicine. Offering health care, food and safety. At a price, which I discuss at the end.

3. Community Support Programs:
This is important the origional Black Pathers were big for this but community programs to help out. So if the militia is self-funded, self-sustained and has established Community Support Programs before SHTF they will have "economic and political" power during or after.
Programs:
* Child Education Programs: Lets mimic the liberals and government hear and offer a school lunch/baby sitting program. This feeds kids 1 to 2 meals and teaches basic education.
* Adult Trade Skills Programs: Offer a free lunch and teach people to grow food, use herbal medicines and so. This gets people in a self-sustaining mindset and you can also include an Advanced Instructors Course to "certify" people to teach others. They can set the price if they like to do this to get people bartering skills. But include carpenty, metal work/black smithing and so on.
* Local Area Security Trainiing: Train people in a few basic skills to Police themselves, track crimes and defend theselves.
* Develop Teacher Programs: So that others can teach children and so on.
* Add to that Militia Partnership Programs to develop local area militias for individual areas.

Now here is my thinking, this will be more effective in the rural areas but keep in mind. This will begin as a "limited militia martial law" people will already know the militia has food and so on but avoids the trouble of people trying to fight the militia is "snitch" for government benefits/rewards. The militia will be helping people to help themselves. So while people might start off dependant on the militia to police their neighborhood, feed them etc. They will be weened off in a "help yourself" kind of way. Eventually people helping themselves and helping each other turns into a stable community network. This approach is makes the militia appear less violent (counter propaganda).

So while "militia courts" might handle trials intially, militia courts become community courts. So this keeps the focus on maintaining the US. The Militia supports, protects and aids its members but helps lets say 6 communities. Which develop their own assets and networks free of the militia core.

These off shoots aid other communities as they turn to the rebounding communities for support. Which aids lets say 2 other communities in the same way. Those communities stablize and build up then aid other communities in a similar fashion. Granted this means you will experince issue with various "warlords" who form from gangs and oter criminal elements. But each rebuilt community will be a buffer to the militia core group (though not dependant on it) and spread out like a stablized network. In suburban and urban areas communities might be as small as a few streets, apartment complexs and so on.

I figure major problems will be triggered from economic collapse, rising crime and international war. Any thoghts?

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Lets look at the work that people are willing to do. Anybody here want to work in a clothing factory?

If you want to put in a ten hour shift sewing shirts then be my guest. Hop on a plane to Saigon and then go apply for a job somewhere, and you will be an American with a job and a lower cost of living. If you like it, then fine.

What we have been seeing in the US is the expectation of economic competitiveness with $70 per hour union jobs. We see trade unions in the construction sector targeting $35 per hour, but the fact of the matter is they end up only representing the top 10% of any particular trade they represent. If they go to war against the craigslist get er done for cash crowd, the people who really benefit are the non-union employers who pick those guys up for $10-$15 per hour and compete with the Unions, so the unions generally these days STFU on labor relation issues outside of their little fiefdoms.

Thus, non-union employers tend to be the ones asking and getting the most out of government control. They tend to get most of the subsidies, they also tend to get the most enforcement action against those who violate their turf.

The only lifestyle that works for our kinds of people by and large is going to be self employment trade and entrepreneur type stuff.

The only physical realspace areas where our kind of people and organizations are going to exercise much sovereignty is going to be in areas where the central governments have functionally abdicated both authority and responsibility.

That's also why however, the government operatives tend to play dirtier "away from the flagpole". Incidents like Ruby Ridge will not happen in the SF Bay area where you can guarantee a fairly well connected and savvy lawyer would be within earshot of any gunshot. That is also why a lot of "liberals" react in disbelief when you try to explain what happens in some places and how people deal with it.


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