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Leaked U.S. Army Document Outlines Plan For Re-Education Camps In America


Political activists would be pacified to sympathize with the government

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Thursday, May 3, 2012

A leaked U.S. Army document prepared for the Department of Defense contains shocking plans for “political activists” to be pacified by “PSYOP officers” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States.

The document, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF) was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online.

The manual outlines policies for processing detainees into internment camps both globally and inside the United States. International agencies like the UN and the Red Cross are named as partners in addition to domestic federal agencies including the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA.

The document makes it clear that the policies apply “within U.S. territory” and involve, “DOD support to U.S. civil authorities for domestic emergencies, and for designated law enforcement and other activities,” including “man-made disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks and incidents in the U.S. and its territories.”

The manual states, “These operations may be performed as domestic civil support operations,” and adds that “The authority to approve resettlement such operations within U.S. territories,” would require a “special exception” to The Posse Comitatus Act, which can be obtained via “the President invoking his executive authority.” The document also makes reference to identifying detainees using their “social security number.”

Aside from enemy combatants and other classifications of detainees, the manual includes the designation of “civilian internees,” in other words citizens who are detained for, “security reasons, for protection, or because he or she committed an offense against the detaining power.”

Once the detainees have been processed into the internment camp, the manual explains how they will be “indoctrinated,” with a particular focus on targeting political dissidents, into expressing support for U.S. policies.

The re-education process is the responsibility of the “Psychological Operations Officer,” whose job it is to design “PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations,” according to the document.

The manual lists the following roles that are designated to the “PSYOP team”.

- Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.

- Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.

- Identifies political activists.

- Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).

- Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.

- Plans and executes a PSYOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.

Remember, this is not restricted to insurgents in Iraq who are detained in prison camps – the manual makes it clear that the policies also apply “within U.S. territory” under the auspices of the DHS and FEMA. The document adds that, “Resettlement operations may require large groups of civilians to be quartered temporarily (less than 6 months) or semipermanently (more than 6 months).”

The historical significance of states using internment camps to re-educate detainees centers around the fact that it is almost exclusively practiced by repressive and dictatorial regimes like the former Soviet Union and Stalinist regimes like modern day North Korea.

We have exhaustively documented preparations for the mass internment of citizens inside America, but this is the first time that language concerning the re-education of detainees, in particular political activists, has cropped up in our research.

In 2009, the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

In December last year it was also revealed that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned.

Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was established under the pretext of a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border, the same pretense used in the language of the KBR request for services.

During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, however, it was revealed that the program was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the federal government to suspend the Constitution, declare martial law, assign military commanders to take over state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens determined by the government to be “national security threats.”

Under the indefinite detention provision of the National Defense Authorization Act, which was signed by Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve, American citizens can be kidnapped and detained indefinitely without trial.

Read a portion of the Internment and Resettlement Operations manual below.

http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/

full document: http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf


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With not one,but two foreign(Russians/CO and NATO/iL) military groups entering our country at once.this may be a rouse or the opening of a preemptive strike/invasion by our communist rivals...

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So under this order they plan to intern civil and U.S.Military.Notice the order refers to U.S.Military and civilian detainees...If you thought being in the Military gave you a free pass.Think again!You are targeted as well asAll Americans....Chapter 7 CONFINEMENT OF U.S. MILITARY PRISONERS..And the Appendix A-METRIC CONVERSION CHART is for the foreign troops to use when they hear/read miles....It is clear all the plans are now starting with this final order.

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Yes, The Re-Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens


The time for denial is over

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, May 4, 2012


A shocking U.S. Army manual that describes how political activists in prison camps will be indoctrinated by specially assigned psychological operations officers contains numerous clear references to the fact that the policies do apply domestically to U.S. citizens.

Despite the fact that the manual is well over 300 pages long and would take hours to read properly, within minutes of posting our story yesterday a minority of commenters were claiming that the policies outlined in the document only pertained to foreign combat operations and did not apply domestically to U.S. citizens.

This is similar to the denial witnessed prior to the passage of the NDAA when some argued that the indefinite detention provisions did not apply to American citizens despite numerous legal analysts asserting they did and President Barack Obama himself acknowledging they did when he signed the bill.

Click here to read the full document entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations.

Yes, The Re Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens

The most alarming portion of the document appears on page 56 and makes it clear that detention camps will have PSYOP teams whose responsibility will be to use “indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes,” as well as targeting “political activists” with such indoctrination programs to provide “understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.”

Let’s make one thing clear – the manual primarily deals with enemy combatants captured and detained in foreign prison camps run by the U.S. Military. However, another thing that is just as clear from reading the manual in full is the fact that it also applies to citizens detained within the United States, whether they be DCs (displaced citizens) or “civilian internees,” in other words citizens who are detained for, “security reasons, for protection, or because he or she committed an offense against the detaining power.”

Firstly, throughout the manual there are scores of references to how the U.S. Army would work together with the DHS, ICE and FEMA (page 24) to implement the policies “within U.S. territory” as part of “civil support operations” in the aftermath of “man-made disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks and incidents in the U.S. and its territories.” (page 38).

Yes, The Re Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens

“The handling of DCs (displaced citizens) is also a mission that may be performed in support of disaster relief or other emergencies within the United States or U.S. territories during civil support operations,” states page 33. Page 56 also states that it is the responsibility of the PSYOP officer to “control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.”

“Resettlement conducted as a part of civil support operations will always be conducted in support of another lead agency (Federal Emergency Management Agency, Department of Homeland Security)” states page 37.

All these passages make it clear that the policies outlined on page 56 are also applicable within U.S. territory as part of “civil support operations” conducted in partnership with domestic federal agencies like the DHS and ICE. The U.S. Immigration authorities have no role in detaining prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq and neither do other U.S. agencies also listed in the document such as the Public Health Service (page 224).

The document also contains numerous references to U.S. citizens (notably pages 13, 41). Page 13 notes how “U.S. citizens will be confined separately from detainees,” meaning they will be separated from foreign prisoners in the camps

On page 146 of the manual, we learn how prisoners in the camps are to be identified.

Yes, The Re Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens

“The prisoner’s last name, first name, and middle initial are placed on the first line of a name board, and the prisoner’s social security number is placed on the second line.”

Last time I checked, the United States Social Security Administration was not responsible for handing out social security numbers to people in Afghanistan or Iraq.

On page 193 of the document, we learn that the policies outlined in the manual can be applied domestically. The language makes it clear that so long as the President passes an executive order to nullify Posse Comitatus, the law that forbids the military from engaging in domestic law enforcement, the policies “may be performed as domestic civil support operations.”

Yes, The Re Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens

The manual states, “These operations may be performed as domestic civil support operations,” and adds that “The authority to approve resettlement such operations within U.S. territories,” would require a “special exception” to The Posse Comitatus Act, which can be obtained via “the President invoking his executive authority.”

These examples are just a handful of a plethora contained in the 326 page ‘Internment and Resettlement’ document which prove that the policies in the manual apply not only to foreign prisoners abroad, but also to American citizens within the United States.

On top of this, we have the 2009 story about how the National Guard posted a number of job listings looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

The time for denial is over. People spent weeks arguing over the ‘indefinite detention’ provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act, ignoring assertions by top scholars and legal experts that the kidnapping provisions did apply to U.S. citizens.

It appears as though cognitive dissonance is causing some people to desperately search for any way of denying the shocking truth contained in these Army documents. This is particularly prevalent amongst Democrats and liberals, whose support for the cult of Barack Obama has blinded them to the fact that his administration is passing legislation which in many cases is far more draconian than anything Bush signed into law.

Take this comment for example from the Democratic Underground forum. Linking to our article from yesterday, a user writes, “A friend of mine just posted (as he usually does) a ridiculous article from InfoWars and it’s pissing me off to no end. I’m trying to find stuff to continuously disprove this drivel, and I’m probably wasting my time. Anyone able to help on this particular “story”?”

The individual does not even have the inclination to look at the source document to find out if the story is true, they would rather just throw out ad hominem insults like “ridiculous” and “drivel”. Rather than being “pissed off” at the frightening language contained in the U.S. Army manual, the individual is “pissed off” at Infowars for reporting on it.

Yes, the U.S. Army has really written a manual which details re-education camps. Yes, the manual does apply to U.S. citizens domestically. Denying these manifestly provable facts will not make the threat go away. This is not an imaginary monster under the bed.

The time for denial is over.


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“The prisoner’s last name, first name, and middle initial are placed on the first line of a name board, and the prisoner’s social security number is placed on the second line.”

Last time I checked, the United States Social Security Administration was not responsible for handing out social security numbers to people in Afghanistan or Iraq.
http://www.issa.int/
The ISSA Social Security Web portal provides comprehensive information, news, data and analysis on social security developments worldwide.


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National Guard asked to explain 'internment' jobs Campaign recruiting for workers at 'civilian resettlement facility'

Posted: August 07, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

An ad campaign featured on a U.S. Army website seeking those who would be interested in being an "Internment/Resettlement" specialist is raising alarms across the country, generating concerns that there is some truth in those theories about domestic detention camps, a roundup of dissidents and a crackdown on "threatening" conservatives.

The ads, at the GoArmy.com website as well as others including Monster.com, cite the need for:

"Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.

The campaign follows by only weeks a report from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warning about "right-wing extremists" who could pose a danger to the country – including those who support third-party political candidates, oppose abortion and would prefer to have the U.S. immigration laws already on the books enforced.

The "extremism" report coincided with a report out of California that the Department of Defense was describing protesters as "low-level terrorists."

The new ad says successful candidates will "provide external security to detention /internment facilities" and "provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program."

Officials at the state and federal National Guard levels told WND they were unaware of the program, although one officer speculated it could be intended for soldiers trained in the U.S. and dispatched overseas to "detention facilities." From the national level, WND was told, officials were unaware of any such "internment facilities" at which there could be jobs to be available.


Army job ad for 'internment' specialist

At a NationalGuard.com website, a front page video describes the position thoroughly.

But one of the critics was a YouTube contributor who identifies himself as jafount and titled his video, "Want a job putting people into camps?"

Alarmed by the ads, he said it, the idea "just absolutely blew my mind."
Citing a promise that successful applicants would be trained in "search and restrain procedures," he said, "That's code for violating the 14th Amendment."

Likewise, he said, "use of firearms" is "code for depriving somebody of their life.'

"This is the real deal, I think," he said, citing, among others, the NationalGuard.com link.

"I saw something that didn't sit right with me. I posted it so other people can investigate," he said.

A commenter on the YouTube site pooh-poohed the whole suggestion.
"You have … put out a relatively benign fact, twisted it into something sinister, and then did a tinfoil-hat connection to give a false impression," the forum participant wrote.
The ads list as "advanced responsibilities" issues such as supervision and administration, responsibility for the "prisoner/internee" population, "custody/control for the operation of an Enemy Prisoner of War/Civilian Internee (EPW/CI) camp," and work on "custody/control for the operation of detention facility or the operation of a displaced civilian (CD) resettlement facility."

An editorial at CanadaFreePress.com raised some overall concerns:

Let's look at some of the evidence we have of the U.S. government's intentions to establish the infrastructure that could be used to house large numbers of political dissidents, so-called terrorists and other individuals the U.S. government wants locked up.

HR 645 the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act is a proposed bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would authorize FEMA to build no less than six National Emergency Centers throughout the U.S. on closed or open military facilities. These facilities are to be designed to house large numbers of people. Why would emergency centers need to be built on closed or open military facilities unless there was a need to keep people from coming in and out of them?

KBR was granted a government contract a few years ago to build facilities to house illegal immigrants. Now with illegal immigration becoming less of a problem with the U.S. economy in the toilet, these facilities can now be used for other purposes.

"This is just another step in the U.S. government's long term plan to build the infrastructure that could be used to contain wide spread popular revolt. Combine this with the swine flu fear mongering and the potential for a mass swine flu vaccination operation and it is easy to see what might happen. Refuse to take their poisonous vaccine and you might risk being locked up as being a hazard to public safety. With the economy in the toilet and more and more people not trusting either political party or the corporate media, the 'powers that be' realize that they need to continue building their martial law apparatus. These Army National Guard job listings are just another piece to that puzzle proving what we already know is being built," the editorial claimed.

At the Examiner, a commentator wrote, "Correctional/internment facilities? I have to admit that the U.S. government is good at one thing: creating fluffy names for evil acts. During WW2, of course, the U.S. didn't have concentration camps, we had 'relocation centers' for hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese citizens."

The jobs also were listed at Jobsearch.money.cnn.com, employmentguide.com and freedomsphoenix.com.
WND reported when the DoD eventually withdrew a training manual question that linked protesters across the United States to terrorism.
That followed by only weeks a Department of Homeland Security report that described as "right-wing extremists" those who oppose abortion and support secure national borders.

Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, has told WND that as part of his organization's research for its lawsuit over the DHS "extremism" report, it has discovered additional information that it is withholding now but will include in a pending amended complaint.

Thompson said one of the things that sparked the organization's curiosity was a reference by DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano in the original report to not only government resources but also non-governmental resources. Thompson said the information he has "creates even more concern that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is unconstitutionally targeting

Americans merely because of their conservative beliefs."

The earlier DHS report was "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." WND has posted the report online for readers to see.

The report linked returning veterans with the possibility of terrorism, and when it was released it created such a furor for Napolitano she has given several explanations for it, including that she would have reworded the report and that it was issued by a rogue employee.

She later apologized to veterans for having linked them to terror. But Thompson noted that the report also targeted as "potential terrorists" Americans who:

Oppose abortion
Oppose same-sex marriage
Oppose restrictions on firearms
Oppose lax immigration laws
Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
Are suspect of foreign regimes
Fear Communist regimes
Oppose a "one world" government
Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more

Thompson told WND no apology has been offered to the members of any of those classes of citizens.

Thompson said the original "extremism" report was "the tip of the iceberg. … Conservative Americans should be very outraged."

The Thomas More Law Center filed its lawsuit against Napolitano and the DHS on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Inc. and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray.

It alleges the federal agency violated the First and Fifth Amendment constitutional rights of the three plaintiffs by targeting them for disfavored treatment and chilling their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that DHS encouraged law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.


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Here is the US Military Police handout that goes with the above manual -

Process Captives Student Handout
www.armytoolbag.com/Tools/EPW/Handout.doc

Shows the FORMS that get filled out when they get ya.


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“We are Preparing for Massive Civil War,” Says DHS Informant

Posted by Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul on May 03, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“Folks, we’re getting ready for one massive economic collapse,” Hagmann told TruNews host Rick Wiles.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.

Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”


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There are not near enough DHS personnel to fight us. Not even close.

As for LE, Hell, there are only about 25-20 sheriff's deputies in my rather large county.

Without the military they're fucked.

Bring in the rest of the Fed alphabet JBTs?
Yeah, please, bring it, MF'ers.
It'll be like the colonists picking off the officers as the Redcoats marched back to Boston.

There are targets and then there are high priority targets....

All they had to do was not fuck with us, but they just had to. They are going to wish they'd left us the fuck alone.



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Look up the military term "yard farming".

The enemy will unleash their full arsenal against resisters their low-end bully boys and girls can't handle-I'm talking air and artillery support, tanks. As much force as needed to clean your little pocket of resistance out.

First, don't live where you're registered with the gov or corporations. Second have friends, real friends, within a 100 miles of you to be able to go to and KEEP THEM OFF ANY PUBLIC MILITIA OR PATRIOT MAILING LISTS, NOT EVEN LOGGING IN FROM THEIR OWN COMPUTERS.

Shoot and be ready to scoot-and do your shooting well away from where you live.


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Joel Skousen: Army Document Reveals Citizens to be Treated as Enemy Combatants

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There are not near enough DHS personnel to fight us. Not even close.

As for LE, Hell, there are only about 25-20 sheriff's deputies in my rather large county.

Without the military they're fucked.

Bring in the rest of the Fed alphabet JBTs?
Yeah, please, bring it, MF'ers.
It'll be like the colonists picking off the officers as the Redcoats marched back to Boston.

There are targets and then there are high priority targets....

All they had to do was not fuck with us, but they just had to. They are going to wish they'd left us the fuck alone.
I have been observing the local LEOs, and especially their changing job functions, over the last twenty years.

Following the FRNs, we see that fed.gov finances, and thus controls, more and more of the local police departments, many of which have federal liasons within.

Also of note, is the appropriation of and improvement of egress routes and secure areas outside the city, under the guise of park land acquisition, and also under the authority of UN Agenda 21 mandates.

I now see the New Centurians as nothing more than soldiers for the elite, whose primary job function is security for their bosses and handlers, and secondarily, revenue generation in these last remaining times of "peace."

When TSHTF, the LEOs will be nowhere near the taxpayers. They will be working with DHS to ensure the safe travel of the elites.

The big question remains:

Where will the culpable elites hide in times of turmoil?

Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:
And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.
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The big question remains:

Where will the culpable elites hide in times of turmoil?
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I don't know whether to call bullshit or sharpen my knives in anticipation of the ultimate resistance scenario wet dream.

Running resistance operations with no real authority to answer to on familiar ground, without much of a language barrier, very little ethical oversight and a target rich environment. I mean, hawt dayum. Forget going to work, forget paying bills, forget paying your traffic tickets. Just start wasting JBTs, collaborators, whatever. Foreign troops? Yeeaah motherfuckers, welcome to the game, and yous all are the targets, and yeah, we don't lose points for camping your spawning points either. Food and gas shortages? Just waste some of those foreign troops and take what you want out of their vehicles.

Want some new toys? Just dial 911 "Hey
ossifer there's this empty warehouse and I seen a bunch of those militia guys going in and out of it. Ya'll better hurry up, bring that SWAT team of yours." Yeah watch the doorkickers go in, and like the roach motel, they check in but the don't check out. Think raiding a meth lab would be dangerous? Give a combat engineer a few days to set up the party favors in an abandoned warehouse prior to it getting raided. We'll be getting plenty of cool new toys. Sure, some will be a bit bloody and scorched, but come on, its easier to clean off than cosmoline...

But, you move prematurely, and instead of being a freedom fighter hero, you are just another conspiracy theorist nutjob who "went off". That's why I file this stuff in the "you gotta be fucking joking" category. I am not sure how seriously I should be taking it, but in all honesty, I would not be doing much differently in my life without seeing this stuff going down first, just on the issue of that whole legitimacy thing on the sources.

You might have some otherwise worthless officers and tax parasites in some office somewhere dreaming this stuff up, but my guess is that somewhere between planning and implementation someone will just bitchslap some sense into them.

I mean seriously, the ratio of enforcement vs those who don't want to be enforced upon is not happening in this country any time soon. The Ranger operations in Mogadishu were a pretty clear test of how that would go. They could put a lot of force in a single place for a short period of time, but holding down an entire city that does not want to be held down? If the rangers could not suppress Mogadishu, then there is not an alphabet agency anywhere that could suppress a major uprising in say, Detroit.


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I mean seriously, the ratio of enforcement vs those who don't want to be enforced upon is not happening in this country any time soon.
True.

But the same was true 70 years ago in Europe. Most people refused to believe a 'civilized' country could be so barbaric. Most wanted to believe the government propaganda.

There are never enough gestapo to enforce the new order...unless the people lack the will to resist.

And, that's the real question. Do we have the will???


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Like a friend of mine always says, "As long as there is still beer in the refrigerator and the cable TV/satellite dish still works most men will never get off their fats butts." So if they start trying to put all the patriots in the FEMA Camps to be brain washed or executed I hope no one starts shooting all the electrical power line transformers. They could not be replaced fast enough and the entire US power grid would go down. Sure that would wake up a lot of men and get them off their fat butts but there would be unacceptable collateral damage. Many old people could not live without any more electricity or in a lot of cases without water coming out of the faucet and would die so I hope no one does it.


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Like a friend of mine always says, "As long as there is still beer in the refrigerator and the cable TV/satellite dish still works most men will never get off their fats butts." So if they start trying to put all the patriots in the FEMA Camps to be brain washed or executed I hope no one starts shooting all the electrical power line transformers. They could not be replaced fast enough and the entire US power grid would go down. Sure that would wake up a lot of men and get them off their fat butts but there would be unacceptable collateral damage. Many old people could not live without any more electricity or in a lot of cases without water coming out of the faucet and would die so I hope no one does it.
Leave the grid up, but take down all of the boob-tube headends and fiber loops...


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As long as you don't commit suicide by committing to a defensive position, have places to go with more stuff to use, have allies and grow intel networks you OUGHT to be able to keep ahead of the enemy. Remember: they have a lot of substandard people filling their ranks and they have a LOT to defend. They rely on fear, ruthless special ops, and a LOT of firepower to plug the holes. They also have control of the media which means they have control of mainstream American opinion and thinking. Operating in a simultanious manner with others ought to overwhelm the enemy locally.


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Re-Education Camp Manual Includes Rules On Isolating Political Prisoners


Document also describes forced labor

Paul Joseph Watson
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Monday, May 7, 2012

A shocking U.S. Army manual that describes how “political activists,” including American citizens, are to be indoctrinated in re-education camps also includes rules on forced labor and separating political prisoners by confining them in isolation.

Aside from detailing how PSYOP teams will use “indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes,” as well as targeting “political activists” with indoctrination programs to provide “understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions,” the manual directs political prisoners to be separated from the rest of the camp population.

On page 284, the manual (PDF) describes how “Malcontents, rabble-rousers, trained agitators, and political officers who may attempt to organize resistance or create disturbances within the I/R facility,” are to be confined “in isolated enclosures to deny them access to the general population.”

The document also makes clear that the internment facility is not only a re-education camp but also a forced labor camp. Page 277 of the manual states, “Detainees constitute a significant labor force of skilled and unskilled individuals. These individuals should be employed to the fullest extent possible in work that is needed to construct, manage, perform administrative functions for, and maintain the internment facility.”

Page 69 of the manual notes in a section called ‘Detainee Processing Technique’ that prisoners should first have their weapons confiscated before “silence” is guaranteed by methods to, “Prevent detainees from communicating with one another or making audible clamor….Silence uncooperative detainees by muffling them with a soft, clean cloth tied around their mouths and fastened at the backs of their heads.”

As we have exhaustively documented, all these provisions apply not only to prisoners in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, but also to American citizens domestically, including “civilian detainees” incarcerated for “security reasons, for protection, or because he or she committed an offense against the detaining power,” as part of “domestic civil support operations” involving FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security.

The manual details how prisoners will be identified by their “social security number,” another glaring confirmation that the rules apply to U.S. citizens.

The document makes it clear that the rules apply to processing American detainees on U.S. soil so long as the President passes an executive order to nullify Posse Comitatus, the law that forbids the U.S. military from engaging in domestic law enforcement.

Although this story has gone viral amongst independent media outlets, the only mainstream news operations to cover it have been Russia Today and Digital Journal. Having studied all the documents, Digital Journal writer Anne Sewell confirms all the points of our original article – that the manual does describe how to re-educate political activists and that its policies do apply to U.S. citizens domestically.


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Plan by the Army to intern U.S. Civilians who speak out against the Government

Think we still live in a free country? Get this out. As many people as possible. Save it, print it, make this go viral. Else this is what is planned for everybody who speaks out against the government, a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment.

http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf


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Too many Amerikans think that the govt is the nation. A great victory for the fasco-socialists along with silencing dissent through political correctness and driving men out of the homes.

It appears we will wait too long, until we can finally meet one another in the camps and bemoan our lowly state.



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It appears we will wait too long, until we can finally meet one another in the camps and bemoan our lowly state.
The amerikan people will do exactly like the Jews. The will deny it can ever happen; even while they're boarding the cattle cars.

As for myself...when this starts I intend to go hunting.


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I have lived too long as a freeman to allow myself to ride the trains...

But as we have seen,

they will be rid of most of the hard core militia men long before the trains come....

So you'll fight or die quietly...


I believe in absolute Freedom, as little interference from any government as possible...And I'll fight any man trying to take that away from me.

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The enemy clearly identified by their actions steal, lie, imprison, torture and murder innocent people. One man war will not accomplish anything good, Coordinated one man wars will accomplish much.

The enemy has declared war on us, we are losing everything because we do not call it what it is, WAR.

Identify the enforcers of tyranny. Identify their friends and associates. Identify where they live and work. Identify what they drive and the routes they take.

Plan accordingly.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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However most important identify who in your neighborhood will inform on the rest for either favor or pay.
While less than 10% of the rank and file American Military soldiers will agree to enforce this if a Neighbor is providing the targets they will need less and can use "non-american' Troops.

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I agree that it is essential to ID the local gestapo informants in our midst and act accordingly.

I can't imagine anyone here didn't realize that long ago, however. Certainly, I did.

Fact is, those on the Left want us dead or enslaved. They simply haven't the balls to do so themselves, so they will gladly direct others towards doing so.

And they will do so with smug justification.

We all know the score.

Offensive tactics will win the day.

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Safetalker, I think you need to make that 50% instead of 10%. This is just going off of what I read on this forum in regards to Katrina where only 50% of the troops were unwilling to go door to door and confiscate guns.

Maybe it just me, but I think there are a lot of active duty and guard that are currently riding the scum line. How else could our military complex be so effective?

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McGrath: “The Control Grid is Being Put Into Place to Handle What They Know Is Coming.”

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Charlie McGrath of Wide Awake News offers an insightful and succinct breakdown of what’s really going on behind the scenes of government and finance, and says that the people have had enough. The push-back has been growing for quite some time, starting first with Tea Party protests in 2009 and then with widespread Occupy protests in 2011.

With the system already in the midst of collapse and slowly destabilizing, many have not yet realized what’s happening.

Excerpted from Charlie McGrath (video follows excerpt):

You’re going to see what’s happening in the rest of the world come to this country. It Is Inevitable. It Is Going To Happen.

Do you think for one second Department of Homeland Security is ordering 450 [million] man shredder rounds so that they can sit back and plink at gofers on the weekend? Absolutely not.

Do you think this one internet bill after another, this trying to clamp down on the sharing and free ideas on the internet because it’s not good for people? No. The control grid is being put into place to handle what they know is coming. They already know this is coming. A kinder gentler government is on its way out the door. Par tyranny is what’s on the menu.



Two days ago we have an elderly pharmacist go before parliament [in Greece], put a gun to his head, and blow his head off. In his suicide note he writes “I would rather die than rummage through the garbage. This is sparking a new onslaught of riots inside of Greece.

But it’s not going to stop with Greece. Just like the Greek debt deal did not fix the problem.

The problem is people are being abused and thrown away like trash; they’re being treated like serfs. At some point they’re going to push back.

So, isn’t it fortunate that we have all these pieces of legislation waiting in the wings? Isn’t it fortunate for the government that we have the security industrial complex squarely aiming 450 million forty caliber human shredder rounds at the people that might want to push back.

An unbiased look at the evidence suggests that the financial, economic and political systems of the world are in the process of destabilizing, and the only thing world leaders have been able to do is extend the deadline for the inevitable breaking point.

Despite throwing trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of pages of government regulations at the problem, nothing has been resolved.

In fact, the American economy, our quality of life, our government’s respect for the rule of law, and our liberty as outlined by our founding documents are worse off today than at any time in our nation’s history. We are, by all accounts, in the midst of a massive paradigm shift that promises to fundamentally alter the American way of life – and not for the better.

While the majority of Americans are oblivious to the warning signs around them, recent actions taken by our government and the governments of other industrialized nations suggest The Powers That Be know very well where we’re head. They are and have been taking steps for quite some time to prepare for what is coming next.

What is the purpose of the National Defense Authorization act unless they plan on indefinitely detaining American citizens without charge or trial?

Why does the President of the United States (and his proxies) have the ability order the assassination or execution of an American citizen, again without trial, charge or reason?

For what reason does President Obama’s ‘Doomsday’ executive order (National Defense Resources Preparedness) allow the seizure of food, land, energy resources and skilled laborers?

Why is the Pentagon actively war-gaming economic collapse scenarios and the civil unrest that would follow such an event?

With roughly 1 million active law enforcement officers in the United States, why is the US military training tens of thousands of personnel for domestic urban response, riot control and mass detentions?

For what purpose do we require some 30,000 armed surveillance drones over American cities?

Why has the Department of Homeland Security acquired in excess of 140 million emergency rations, over 450 million rounds of ammunition, bullet resistant checkpoint booths, and expedited the regionalization of supplies.

When it hits the fan, and things go critical, the recent actions of our government demonstrate that it is only capable of responding in one way – through brute force and tyranny.

Everything they have done in recent years with respect to liberty-restricting legislation, the militarization of our police forces and the expansion of the security industrial complex has been to prepare for the inevitable.

They already know it’s coming. They’re getting ready for it. You might want to consider doing the same.

Visit Wide Awake News for your daily dose of alternative media and tune in to Charlie’s daily Wide Awake Radio Show (7pm – 9pm CST) on the Rense Radio Network. If you liked the video above, follow Charlie McGrath’s Youtube channel for regular video news updates.


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The militia is always looking for a way to create good public relations.

So, how about...

when these camps are activated, they are surrounded, seized, all prisoners released and every single prison employee from the janitor to the guards publicly executed.


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I like your idea of public relations ConSigCor


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Army Admits Re-Education Camp Manual “Not Intended For Public Release”


Public Affairs Director falsely claims document does not apply within U.S.

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Fort Leonard Wood Public Affairs director Tiffany Wood has provided the first official response to the shocking U.S. Army document that outlines the implementation of re-education camps, admitting that the manual was “not intended for public release” and claiming that its provisions only apply outside the United States, a contention completely disproved by the language contained in the document itself.


After a reader sent Wood a link to where the manual, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF), can be downloaded on the army.mil website (but only by military employees with special credentials), Wood responded by stating that the document should not be in the public domain.

“The document was not intended for public release,” said Wood, adding, “Any other questions regarding the document, you will need to file a FOIA request.”

This means that either hackers have obtained access to a secure military website and downloaded the manual or it was leaked by a military employee concerned about the content of the document.

As we have exhaustively illustrated, the document is a training manual for U.S. Army personnel that details how to treat detainees incarcerated in prison camps both abroad and inside the United States.

The manual outlines how officers will develop programs to “indoctrinate” “political activists” incarcerated in detention camps into developing an “understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.” The document also explains how “reeducating the I/R facility population or setting the stage for acceptance of future operations,” is the responsibility of ‘PSYOP’ personnel within the camp.

The document also makes clear that the internment facility is not only a re-education camp but also a forced labor camp. Page 277 of the manual states, “Detainees constitute a significant labor force of skilled and unskilled individuals. These individuals should be employed to the fullest extent possible in work that is needed to construct, manage, perform administrative functions for, and maintain the internment facility.”

The manual also directs that political activists be confined to isolation and that prisoners be silenced using by “muffling them with a soft, clean cloth tied around their mouths and fastened at the backs of their heads.”

In her email response, Wood falsely claims that, “The document is intended for operations outside of the continental United States. Depending on the nature and magnitude of an event will determine the level of U.S. military involvement.”

As we have proven using only direct quotations and screenshots from the manual, it is clearly designed to be applied both abroad and “within U.S. territory,” including against “civilian detainees” incarcerated for “security reasons, for protection, or because he or she committed an offense against the detaining power,” as part of “domestic civil support operations” involving FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security.

The manual also details how prisoners will be identified by their “social security number,” another glaring confirmation that the rules apply to U.S. citizens.

The document makes it clear on page 193 that the rules apply to processing American detainees on U.S. soil so long as the President passes an executive order to nullify Posse Comitatus, the law that forbids the U.S. military from engaging in domestic law enforcement.

It is clear from Wood’s response that she has either not read the documents properly or has been directed to downplay their significance by asserting they do not apply within the United States, a claim clearly disproved by the numerous references within the manual to how its instructions can be applied as part of “domestic civil support operations.”


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It's funny how men can say all kind of things,but there actions show there intents.
Sorry I'm not a mushroom,kept in the dark and fed bullshit.


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They are preparing and will get support of the sheep and the foolish kids who are now indoctrinated into believing the BS they were taught.

I can't believe they are some people out there who don't see whats coming...

Are they stupid or complicit is the question?

I think if they are stupid, their automatically complicit...

That includes the many Militia members who say they are getting ready for when the SHTF....

Hey you wake up it already has... just quietly so far....


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Yep, they say one thing and really do nothing or next to nothing. Adds up to being the same thing. These are the same ones eating out at applebees and what not and have jack squat squirreled away.

Then you can count on them to be the first to show up, and a short while later. Whats for chow? Implied dumb look fits right here.

If your not as serious about this as I am, then I just cannot roll with you. I just don't have the resources to take care of others and probably don't have enough for my own. Id rather be alone than have to have this possibly violent conversation with anyone. Sorry, family comes first. We all knew that this day was coming and now its here.

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And they say zombies don't exsit.
In a way they do. Zombies aimlessly walk around as a herd of cattle, trying to eat the brains of the of the living.
Why brains,the brain is what holds
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This reminds me of the drive-in theater in the movie Red Dawn that was turned into a brain washing concentration camp. Someone needs to raid the camp, free and arm the prisoners, and paint "Wolverines" on the screen.


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I mean seriously, the ratio of enforcement vs those who don't want to be enforced upon is not happening in this country any time soon.
True.

But the same was true 70 years ago in Europe. Most people refused to believe a 'civilized' country could be so barbaric. Most wanted to believe the government propaganda.

There are never enough gestapo to enforce the new order...unless the people lack the will to resist.

And, that's the real question. Do we have the will???
Hitler never went below 60% public support, Stalin was considered to have around 70% consistently. Only Mussolini dropped down into that 20-15% scale, and of course due to making deals with the Nazis who got extremely brutal with the Italian opposition, got lynched in the street.

Stalin actually delegated a lot of authority downward, to the point that a lot of bad stuff was actually decisions made at the lower levels of his regime and then he would support it after the fact. Nazi society had very high levels of party participation, but they were looking at having a ruling elite of 1-5% at the max. In occupied countries, they were looking at an elite of 1 in 10,000. Only the top rungs of society in their eyes would be party members.


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