the hours until Holder is cited for contempt and Obamacare is struck down!

Tomorrow SHOULD be a good day.

Don't count your chickens....

it SHOULD be a good day, and I think it will, but I'm not going to start celebrating just yet. Randy Barnett, who led the legal charge against ObamaCare (and, incidentally, the first person I would nominate for the Supreme Court if I resided at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue) figures the odds are 50-50, which is better than the 35-65 he gave it before oral arguments.

Personally, I've got a $5 bet going that the entire law is struck down. But my ESP is notoriously bad.

Onward and upward,
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At least four Democrats say they wi...ing Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. So, if it passes, I guess we can say it was a bipartisan vote.

Reps. John Barrow (D-GA), Collin Peterson (D-MN), Nick Rahall (D-WV) and Jim Matheson (D-UT) all say they will vote for the measure.

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Holder probably has almost as much contempt for this Congress as we all do. The only action they have been able to do in unison this year is be upset because he gave them the finger.
Though he is a real traitor to his oath he at least got the congress' attention. Something the people of this great land still haven't done.

The real truth about ObamaCare is that the entire thing is unconstitutional under the 10th.

The problem they face is that saying that means they open the door for challenges to SSI, Medicare/Medicaid, AFDC, Food Stamps, even several federal agencies.

I'm all for that but I don't see it happening.

Yeah, I'll give up my SSI benefits. Just end all this shit. Govt is far too large, far too intrusive and with far too much power.

I've never heard anyone else make the argument, but the individual mandate provision is unconstitutional under the Ninth Amendment as well.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This morning's word is that about a dozen Democrats--most of them facing tough reelection battles--will vote for the measure.

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airforce

The 9th is the most forgotten and disregarded of the BORs.

I hear people all the time say that if it isn't in the BORs that the right doesn't exist.

The 9th was specifically placed in the BORs for just that reason.

However, I don't see how it applies to ZeroCare.

You're not alone. Nobody else did, either. It was my argument that that one of those unenumerated rights was the right not to purchase something (in this case, insurance). However, all those law professors I suggested it to told me the argument was a loser.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Sen. Rand Paul\'s statement on ObamaCare.

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airforce

Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson on the ObamaCare ruling:

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Million dollor question.
What is it called when any government forces a people to do something in which they know to be wrong?
Government like fire when controlled warms the body,out of controll it burn and consumes the body.

By my reading, that may be the loophole we need. The Court struck down the Medicaid "penalty" it levied on states for noncompliance, so it seems to me the whole thing is left up to each individual state whether to comply with the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or not. But as I've said elsewhere, this decision is so confusing that I'm really not sure.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Secession!!!

It just dawned on me, but this decision must be especially damning for Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett. He argued the individual mandate could not be justified under either the Commerce Clause or the Necessary and Proper Clause, won both arguments, but lost the case anyway. I'm glad I'm not him right now. I'd be kicking holes in the wall.

Anyway, he\'s written an article about the decision already . You just have to admire a man like him.

And whenever it comes time for President Romney or President Johnson to nominate someone to the Supreme Court, they could do a whole lot worse than Professor Barnett.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Greywolf is right.

Damn straight. To hell with the yankee empire.

But instead of firing on Sumpter this time; lets do like Gen Jackson suggested and burn Washington to the ground first.

Repealing ObamaCare doesn't even matter anymore.

The true problem is the precedent that govt has unlimited powers to control us and our lives.

UN-LIMITED

People need to get that one through their heads.

This is just the beginning.

No.

Fight EVERYWHERE. Every inch of ground.

I literally fear what I think are events gradually pushing us in the direction of secession. It will end badly.

There is not one inch of America that should be surrendered to the enemy.

Not one fucking inch.

This day will be remember as a point of no return for an "UNLAWFUL",government.From this point forward the "truth be know".It is clear now,that no branch of government(Executive,Legislative,Judicial),respects the "limits of power" restrictions placed on them as enumerated in the Constitution.

To all of them,the constitution is "just a piece of paper",until they need it to impose their "Will" apon us,"we the people"!

The real fight will unfold so,as the government collapses,and one of the branch of government(Executive,Legislative,Judicial),fights(will military backing) for complete control and absolute power(which neither has the right or power too hold).They will pullout the constitution and quote it piecemeal to suit their individual agenda(as usual).

RECOMMENDATION:When the collapse/infighting between branches occurs.A congress of delegates from the various states legislations meet,protected by their respective state militia.And reestablish the constitutional Republic!

We're not the only ones pissed off right now. remember those TEA Party protests a couple years ago? Well, I think we can expect a resurgence. People are already talking about Fourth of July rallies in major cities. As one commenter on another blog said:

And the legal battle may not be entirely over. If this is a tax, how can it be valid if it originated in the Senate? For that matter, a tax repeal can't be filibustered in the Senate during reconciliation, so we may have an opening there as well. Or, it can lower the tax for non-compliant persons to zero.

With 51 Republicans in the Senate, there still seems to be a lot of options left open. My head is about to explode right now (hey, you try making sense of that opinion!), but there's a lot of people looking at this thing right now. Hopefully, this Obama victory will be short-lived.

Onward and upward,
airforce

DrJ,
We don't need to give up one inch. All 50 States need to secede from DC. Let the bastards in Washington have their negro and his tiny kingdom on the Potomac.

I'm not so sure this is an Obama victory, quite yet. The Dems now have to defend what has been legally ruled a tax on (for) healthcare. Notice that the Dems are not shouting "nah-nah-nah-nah!" in the streets? They are trying to brush it under the rug and forget about it. Obama's numbers are probably already starting to slide because of this ruling.

And best yet, read the opinion. This ruling does NOT give Congress the power to make Commerce or force Commerce where there is none. Roberts totally dodged the entire issue, at least as far as I read in the opinion.

I am certainly being hopelessly optimistic, but I have some hope.

We all know that isn't going to happen. It would be some southern States and most western States (minus the left coast) against all the rest.

That is a recipe for disaster, IMO.

Every fucking inch.
We're going to have to fight for all of it everywhere if we are going to have a prayer of a chance.

What you think another war against Northern aggression...

There is no Slavery issue for them to falsely claim to rally behind..

If anything we have the Slavery issue this time. The Federal government is trying to enslave us all.

It wouldn't just be 11 states, more like 35...

Question is... Would the Military think it would be a violation of their oath to stand down or would they believe that the states are doing what the founders envisioned in the face of tyranny?

I still say secession!

I think your looking at this all wrong...

Let's say they get the North east and Left coast. pretty soon all the Progressives who want that lifestyle, would leave for the socialist utopia. So would all the Illegals.

You see they get health care, driver licenses and work permits. free housing.

They taxed all the rich people till they left with their businesses to the New southern republic.

They collapse themselves.

Let them have their little socialist utopia in the North east.

In a few years they would be begging the Republic in the south for help and the socialist would be hanging from the capital.

Yep.

If there's a lesson in all of this (besides the fact that Chief Justice Roberts is a traitor), it's to scrutinize very carefully all those judicial appointments--even if the mainstream press says he's "conservative.". When George Bush appointed Roberts, about the only criteria he used, as near as I can tell, is whether Roberts agreed with Bush on declaring war on everybody after 9/11. He's a judicial lightweight, and it shows in his opinion.

Onward and upward,
airforce

You know, I've never been a big fan of having another Constitutional Convention. But I'm rapidly being persuaded otherwise.

Onward and upward,
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I agree 100%.

ObamaCare may be repealed, but the ruling that Roberts (piss be upon his name) made will stand as precedent until reversed by a future court. If the government wants you to do/buy/not do/not buy something, the .gov can penalize you and call it a tax permissible under this ruling.

Upshot of this ruling? Freedom died.

If you own a gun, the .gov can now tax you. Don't want to fly the Obama re-election flag? The .gov can tax you. This may/will not happen overnight, but I will guarantee you that our children and grand-children will be paying. This government is definitely of the Fabian sort. They may not acheive their goals today, but inch by inch they will creep forward and get there.

Roberts (piss be upon his name for all eternity) just gave them not an inch... but a mile. The dumbass didn't even consider that if this is a tax, it has to originate in the House, as all revenue raising devices must per the US Constitution. Not that he ever deigned to consult such a document before.

That may be the only avenue of 'appeal' left to us that doesn't discard the ballot box and leave us with the only box left; the soap and jury boxes have proved for naught already.

Not that we're related, or that I would claim him if we were, but Roberts happens to be my last name, too. Aim that thing somewhere else!

Onward and upward,
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You aren't the Chief Justice. And you are a patriot of the sort we need. So, no I'm aiming it rightly, and it isn't at you!

They stated in the ruling by the SCOTUS....

CONGRESS CAN LEVY ANY TAX FOR ANY REASON?..

Have a gun?............................TAXED!

Buy a second gun?....................TAXED!

Buy more then a little ammo?.......TAXED!

Speak out,write or protest against
the current political regime?........TAXED!

See where this is going?

Didn't pay your taxes?..........GO TO JAIL!

Get arrested for a federl ofence?Lose your second amndmt rite 2bear Rrms......

Meet and Greet: There's a nice gun range called Saint Charles Sportsman's Club in Waldorf, Maryland. We should ALL go there this coming week to get some practice and hone our skills. Since it's so close to our beloved capital, we can all visit the National Mall while were there.

Anyone want to get together?

http://www.stcharlessc.com/

National Training Week begins July 4th.

http://www.gunlaws.com/NationalTrainingWeek.htm

And that is EXACTLY where we are going. If you do not 'comply' with an edict issued by the .gov, you will be "taxed". And the tax will become so steep that freedom will only be available to the leftist rich.

And the leftist rich will be exempt from that tax, as long as they support the Fabian agenda.

Times Up?

Yep, that about sums it up. Any activity or product that a committee finds undesirable can be taxed into extinction.

Scenario: Motorcycles are dangerous. Motorcycle accident injuries cost a lot to treat. Motorcycle owners aren't paying their "fair share." Motorcycle ownership becomes cost prohibitive.

Mark my words, this is where the assault on gun ownership will begin in earnest.

We are where the Founders were.

What are we going to do?

Me? I am going to fight. I am willing to bleed my life blood out upon the ground. That oath I swore. All enemies, foreign and domestic. That is what I swore.

If you join me, I do not need to know your name. I will only know you as Patriot.

Today started the Second Revolution. It will start slowly. But today started it.

BLACK THURSDAY

Regardless of what happens with the Holder contempt vote, today will likely be remembered by freedom-loving people as Black Thursday. My response to a reporter a few moments ago: "You may call tyranny a mandate or you may call it a tax, but it still is tyranny and invites the same response."


LATER: The other day I did an interview which will appear, I am told, on Monday. Here is a relevant portion of that which deals with the decision today.

Question: You said in an interview with the Washington Post that a handful of Americans “are armed and are capable of making such resistance possible and perhaps even initiating a civil war.” Would you support a civil war over health care law?

"Initiating a civil war" is a misquote. All of my work has been focused on preventing a civil war by making the clueless understand that one is possible. Their Weltanschauungs prevent it. I'm trying to get them to understand that we are in fact two countries now. We share a common language (most of us) and border, but we disagree on the critical question that the Founders answered with defensive violence against King George's violence -- shall the people serve the government of the government serve the people? Does it matter if we agree on traffic laws or the rules by which our kids play soccer if we disagree on something so fundamental? The health care law carries with its meeching platitudinous promises the hard steel fist of government violence at the center. If we refuse to obey, we will be fined. If we refuse to pay the fine, we will in time be jailed. If we refuse to report meekly to jail, we will be sent for by armed men. And if we refuse their violent invitation at the doorsteps of our own homes we will be killed -- unless we kill them first. It is Nancy Pelosi who first plunked the threat of violence on the table like Goering reaching for his revolver. How should principled, free people react to such threats? I am on record as advocating the right of defensive violence against a tyrannical regime. The Founders would agree. If someone on the street threatens to break into my house and steal my property or kill me, and I tell them, "If you do this, you will be killed," am I the violent one? Or is it merely good manners to warn the miscreant of the probable outcome?

I was once asked by a gun prohibitionist my thoughts on his desire for my disarmament. I began to explain as best I could and he cut me off with an impatient, "Give me the short answer." "Okay," I said after pausing briefly, "If you try to take our firearms we will kill you." He left quickly, muttering oaths about my sanity. Yet you will get the same answer from that other half of the country that such people make no attempt to understand, only deride and name-call. Such ignorance can get a whole lot of people killed. That is the point I'm trying to get across. If the Constitution as crafted by the Founders and the rule of law no longer applies, that is, if we now have the law of the jungle, then my half of the country is far better prepared to live and thrive in that jungle others force into than they are. Another formulation: If the rule of law no longer protects us from government tyranny, it no longer protects that tyranny and its acolytes from us. It is a two-way street and I hope desperately that Nancy Pelosi and her ilk understand that before it is too late.

Question: What are your thoughts about how the Supreme Court will rule on health care Thursday? What do you see as the potential implications of its decision?

See above. If the individual mandate is upheld, me and a few million of my friends will not comply and we will make ourselves so obnoxious in our refusal that sooner or later some government agent is going to try to kill us. Because the one thing a tyrant cannot tolerate is the example of someone being unafraid and saying "No." It's a bad example for the rest of the sheep and might encourage noncompliance. When that happens, you have only to read history to predict the outcome. To believe anything else is to whistle past the graveyard of history.

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Greywolf is totally correct, if lets say ten States were to Secede the result would not be as it was the last time, this time I believe there may not even be a War.

This time as Greywolf stated it is different.

A few things to consider.

Now today there is no Slavery. And no other unifying cause important enough for the Liberals to fight for

Last time it was the North vs the South.

This time it will not be North vs South but Liberal States vs Conservative States.

Last time very very very few, Northerners had friends that were Southerners or even knew any Southerners and did not even know anything about the South.

Today a large percentage of people living in the DC controlled Union, not only know and are friends with people who will be living in the Seceded States but they even have Family Members who live there.

During the first Civil War a lot of Yankees wanted to teach the South a lesson and though it would be fun to kill a few Johnny Rebs.

Today the people living in the DC Controlled Union States are Anti-freedom, Anti-gun and Anti-fighting-for-anything Liberals who will not want to risk their Precious lives fighting against the New Confederacy. In short they are cowards and don't believe in anything enough to fight for it.

And as to the Military we need to think about this.

The last time the Union told all the Military who were Southerners to return to the South if they wanted to, since the Union did not want any Soldiers who's loyalty was to their home State and the Confederacy.

This time if States were to Secede it would be very different and the Federal Government would not be able to take any effective action to force the Seceded States back into the Union.

And one more thing as to the Military, if lets say ten or even as few as four States, depending on which States, were to Secede the Military does not have anywhere near the Combat strength to force them to do anything.

We've all been waiting for it to start for a long time now.

When it starts, I will be ready. I will do what I have to do. I will do my part.

Only question is 'when'?

The Decision of the US Supreme Court today proves that our Nation can not be saved by working within the system and the only way it can be saved is by Bloody Revolution and I believe it will be very very very bloody.

I believe not only that we will win but that we will win in only a few months, weeks or even days and our Victory may even be quicker then the 6 Day War.

Why do I believe as I do about the shortness of the War and that we will win it. I just posted a few facts that should answer that question and will prove that we have the power to win and win quickly.

http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=32&t=000738


One of the big problems as I see it is the truth that a lot of Patriots including members of this board do not have the balls or stomach for fighting a War.

On one hand we say we want to fight for freedom and on the other hand we don't want to get our clean hands a little dirty.

It has been said, you can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs which is true. And I say if you want to own a horse you better be willing to accept getting Manure on your boots or forget about getting a horse.

War is a very dirty business and Civil War or Revolution is the Dirtiest type of War.

If a man is not willing to get a little dirty fighting for freedom then he should not join in the fight and he should stay home where he can keep his hands clean.

My brain has been into legalese mode all day, so it's probably a little bit warped right now, but I'm going to disagree, at least in part. While the decision is not what I expected or wanted, there is a silver lining in it.

First, the Court affirmed that there is, indeed, limits on what the feds can do under either the Commerce Clause or the Necessary and Proper Clause. After the awful decisions in Wickard, Raich and Kelo, this is indeed a victory, albeit a limited one. But it's something to build on.

Secondly, the fact that ObamaCare was upheld by proclaiming the penalty a tax was a good thing on a few counts. It gives our side political fodder to work with. It's far easier politically to get rid of a tax than it is to explain to the electorate what the Commerce Clause is. (As I explained in another post, it can even be done in "reconciliation," where the senate filibuster rules don't apply.)

Thirdly, as George Mason law professor Ilya Somin pointed out, there is even a question as to whether the tax itself is constitutional . This may well be revisited in a couple years.

And fourth, little attention has been paid today on the fact the Medicaid penalty provision on the states was overturned. While it's not yet clear--at least to me--what effect this will eventually have, it does at least give a nod to the Tenth Amendment. There are indeed some victories in this decision.

Is a bloody revolution inevitable? I don't think so. An economic collapse is certainly looking more and more likely, and while that would be unpleasant and not without casualties, it probably won't be anything like a Civil War. I think it will be more like the collapse of the USSR.

But, as I said earlier, my ESP is notoriously awful. So keep your powder dry.

Onward and upward,
airforce

This.

Agreed!

My .02. We don't have years anymore to work tripe like this through a corrupt system.

Im not going to stay middle aged forever. I cannot see us waiting this thing out. We have been waiting for this thing for 2 and half years now. How friggen long do we want to drag this out. Nope, its ass kicking neck stomping time.

Republic is dead. I want to live and die a free man. I want my children to live free.

Solution: Eliminate enemies of the Republic!

Out here

It's kind of ironic that just last week, I dusted off my copy of Matthew Bracken's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" and started reading it....again.

Stray, I have lately thought about rereading that book again myself.

Must be something in the air.

Out here

I've been rereading Guerrillas In The Mist.

Remember that Medicaid provision that was struck down, and that everyone was ignoring? That may be the key to this whole thing.

ObamaCare's "employer mandate" will tax employers up to $3,000 per employee if they don't offer their employers benefits through a state-run insurance "exchange."

But, suppose the state doesn't establish that insurance exchange? There is now no penalty if they don't! And if there is no insurance exchange, the employers can't offer those benefits, and can't be taxed that $3,000!

That has the same effect as taking away the individual mandate. Funding for ObamaCare collapses.

This battle has only just begun. Have a little patience, and pay special attention to your elections for governor and state legislators. And for your state attorney general, if that is an elected position. This is where the next battle is going to be fought.

Onward and upward
airforce

I don't advocate for succession or another constitutional convention although I do believe we are in the midst of a Constitutional crisis. A new constitutional convention would be able to eliminate the BOR and the founding father's concepts of checks and balances against tyranny. A constitutional convention would be in the best interests of the NWO.

Lord Actin stated in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887 that "Power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." We don't have to look hard to see the truth in his words.

We need a new set of disciplined leaders that will help us return to the individual rights and responsibilities of our founding father's Constitution. It means that these leaders may need to leave their political party at the door if they want to do the right thing.
It will take people that are willing to pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to get it done and hopefully at the ballet box.
If we can't get it done there, I fear that we will follow in our founding father's footsteps to address tyranny and we will need an equally strong group of leaders that will return power to the people when it is all over.
May God grant us wisdom, blessings and light.

I agree that a Constitutional Convention would be a worse case scenario.

I decided long ago that the day that happens is the day the next American Revolution is born.

You all can make what you will of that.

All I can say is that if we don't hang together we will surely hang separately.
--loosely paraphrased.

Fight or Die

Folks keep asking 'when' we are going to start shooting? I do not know about anyone else but I for one am NOT going to announce it publically. 'They' just have to worry about when they have crossed MY line. After that, for me I will follow Stonewall Jackson's philosophy of raising the Black flag and going on TOTAL war.

Total War. Just like they are using on us. Nothing for them can be considered safe. Not them, their family, their pets,......hell even their dreams.

Will I win? I doubt it as I am sick and old, but unlike the past I will take one or two of them with me. They just have to figure out how, who, what, and where I will strike. You know like they do to us everyday.

Now for all of you I give this advice. SHUT THE HELL UP!

Do not give the enemy a break or intel on YOU! Take that for what it is worth.

Now I would like to give us ALL an assignment. Watch and record the polling places this fall. Watch and record ANY instances like the last Presidential election where folks were deterred from voting by weapon carrying thugs. Also register and VOTE. Do this so not to allow your vote to be stolen by 'someone' voting absentee for you. Also encourage anyone you know to do this also. I do not care who they vote for, but I do not want to give either party a free hand this fall.

That's true. But the truth is, the Bill of Rights and all those checks and balances built into the Constitution are all but gone anyway. With a new Constitutional Convention we'll find out who our friends and enemies are pretty quickly. They won't be able to hide anymore.

Amen, brother. Well said. Don't give the bastards anything. I've always considered the act of not voting to be a form of surrender.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Jump While you can.

All I have to say...