DNC Chair: Non-Compliance With Obamacare Will Not Be Tolerated


IRS “easiest enforcer” of health care law

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Despite claiming Obamacare was “not a tax,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that the Internal Revenue Service would be the “easiest enforcer” of penalties against those who refuse to comply with the new health care law.

“The way we usually think of taxation, Wolf, is that taxation as the IRS administers is collected on broad swaths and large categories of individuals,” Wasserman Schultz said. “This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.”

“We’re not going to tolerate that any more in America. You have to be responsible and you have to pay a penalty if you choose not to be,” she added.

Last week the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare on the basis that it falls under Congress’ taxation power. However, critics have argued that the health care law actually mandates Americans to buy a service under threat of government coercion, a violation of the commerce clause. The Supreme Court upheld this argument but still gave the green light anyway.

Under Obamacare, the IRS will be empowered to collect a whole raft of information about taxpayers and small business owners.

“The IRS now gets to know about a small business’s entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage — and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax,” reports Fox News.

Earlier this year, the IRS said it would need at least 4,000 new agents to enforce the Affordable Care Act along with $300 million dollars extra in funding to manage the infrastructure needed to compel Americans to comply with Obamacare.

However, that could only mark the beginning of a massive expansion of the IRS as a result of Obamacare. Back in 2010 it was reported that as many as 16,500 extra armed IRS agents were being hired to harass Americans into complying with the new mandates.

Congressman Ron Paul responded by asking why so many armed agents were required to enforce a law that the Obama administration has promoted as beneficial to the American people.

“16,500 armed bureaucrats coming to make this program work – if it was a good program and everybody liked it, you wouldn’t need 16,500 thugs coming with their guns and putting you in jail if you didn’t follow all the rules,” said Paul.

Well Debbie Blabbermouth Slut, we won"t tolerate YOU and the Legion of JBT you plan to send, GET IT! What the hell is 26K more Traitors? Bring it on you LLB, Can"t Wait!

Yeah, the issue then is how the poor handle this. The whole "1099" thing was sort of cool but I just quit my fourth 1099 job in the last three years as soon as I figured it out they were functionally trying to scam me below minimum wage, but it would be up to me to prove that, so I would be taxed just based on the amount minus expenses, without anyone really taking into account how much time the company was demanding on their contract requirements.

A lot of people are self employed and barely making it, so an 8% mandatory increase is one thing, but then that's on top of a functional 20% tax. Nobody is "increasing the health care cost of others" if they don't use it or pay for it. It's like me blaming people who don't like fish for the increase in the cost of sushi.

So many people tell me about how the co-pay on their health insurance is really equal to the actual cost of what they are getting that they know the rest of the money is a scam or at best, an absurdly topheavy management system.

This is not about making anyone pay for the poor or entitlements, but to cover the upper middle class of health care administration and drug company executives.

Perfect - this is where open defiance can get a good percentage of the public on board with whoever leads the way in - Obamacare: Just Say No, and mean it.

I guess the question I have is, if ObamaCare is supposed to be so good for us, why will it take 16,500 armed federal agents to enforce it?

And just what will they do when the States refuse to comply with it, like Florida and South Carolina have already done?

Onward and upward,
airforce

So their telling me there will in fact be a gun fight in my future? Niiccceeee!

Look at the bright side. All the trigger time we have gotten in, along with all the training wasn't a waste of time.

I know they like to come early. Their in luck again, I'm a early early bird. They will be easily spotted where I live at. Non Locals stick out like a throbbing soar thumb.

Out here

Ps. When having a surprise party, act surprised, but make sure you do what I do. Make sure you have some nasty party favors waiting for them!

When only the best will do.

You Know It, I like party favors and trip wires

Everyone should send the stupid bitch a letter telling here where she can stick her socialist medicine and the fines. Then tell her to come get some. Flood her office with mail. Melt her phone and email into the ground.

Like I said. When only the best will do. I should have said, when only the very best will do.

My bad.

Lead slinger
Out here

SShhh, you'll spoil it. It's supposed to be a surprise party.

Wow, I will damn near bet when the bullets start flying, Y'all won't be so excited about it. It always concerns me when the guys are bragging about how quick they will be "slingin lead"... It is going to happen, but I have a little sadness that I will be shooting at my fellow citizens... I have trained for it... expect it... but regret it comes to this.

IMHO
Greywolf

It's like my dad told me nearly half a century ago, "War is a pretty glorious thing, until the other guys start shooting."

Another gem he told me was, "Having guts is great. Just don't spread them around all over that goddamn place."

Onward and upward,
airforce

I don't want WAR, I would like to get to know my grand kids and spend the rest of my life doing my own thing fishing, Hunting,making my place ready for my old age, growing my own food, helping out family and friends, But some People have other plans for us, Closing out our Freedoms and making us do there will,We don't have but 2 choices,#1 Surrender everything or #2 fight for freedom when they come. They will come , Its what they do. SEMPER FI

Lets see a few months ago a certin agency. Bought up a bunch of certain type of ammo for there guns. Then a certain agency bought up more guns with no clear intent on there use.

Now someone from another agency. Comes out and says you will comply with what we say is good for you.

Ya, only a totaly delusional fool, will refuse to see what is in store.
Just my 2 cents.

Your point is valid, however. This is being thrust upon us. I do not want it either, but will not tolerate their tyrannical ways being shoved down my throat.

Its because of this, we have no recourse and at this time I can see no other way.

I'm all ears for suggestions. Please don't suggest 2-3 more years of babble.

Leo out

As to suggestions. Hear is what my father told me. He had a way that made me think for myself.

When one has a problem what ever it may be.
List all of ways in which the problem could be solved.
Next scratch off all the way that have been tried that didn't fix the problem.
Sooner or later you will find out what will work.

I understand how you feel, but I, as I'm sure you agree, would rather the beast, and the beast's minions suffer than my children. I wish nobody had to be hurt, but as long as volunteers seek to enslave, rob, and kill my children, I will not bat an eye stopping them.

And I won't lose sleep over it.

I see I ruffled a few of you... I said I regretted it comes to this and don't be so excited about killing your brother citizens... it ain't a game... I didn't say we should bitch for a few more years... you want the truth... I posted the truth in this post in the "Are we targeted for assassination thread"..


quote:
Originally posted by Leonidas:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by drjarhead:

One day they will tire of trying to intimidate us by making examples of American Patriots one at a time.

Its already here. Like Im telling you something. We should have rolled out the door years ago, yet here we are talking.

I would go right now, yet I am alone in my assessment. There for I would be just throwing away my life for sheep.

Out here
Leonidas


There is no one standing in your way, You belong to a unit... If you are confronted, do what you must..I am curious to see who come to who's aid..

I am pretty fed up, right about now, with a lot of things..

If you wait for someone else to start the battle, you will be waiting a while.

Many of these guys will run when they are confronted. I am just curious to see who will stand and who will run..

It is almost worth the war just to find out who was full of it.
But if you find out many of them were full of it, It will be a short moment of comfort.

You gotta do what in your AO is necessary when your faced with tyranny.

In other words though the founders sent the Declaration of Independence, and claimed freedom, as we have done many times. It took several confrontations with the British in local locations to bring the revolution to full swing.

Waiting for that one trigger to start the war... means the war will be over before your in it.

I am not saying go out and start it.

just saying you gotta make your stand, before the shooting starts. You gotta stop them from violating your rights locally and stir emotion to your cause...

some of you will die in that effort.


Like the men at concord..or at Ft Sumter...

People said.... "that's it I move no farther", and after they made their stand, They inspired the common folk to stand.

What good does it do to send all the militia against the Federals, when the news media will vilify us?

The Federals need to overstep badly, they almost did it with Waco and ruby ridge, but with the news media on their side , the truth was suppressed.

As bad as it was,

it wasn't enough to cause the people to rally against them.

But it swelled our rolls. Some real Patriots and some not so real.

But, You can't just go out there and start shooting folks, to start a war...

They have to start this war, and to be perfectly honest, we have to set them up to do it.

We have to allow them a chance to over step so badly that the people are disgusted with them...

They are close, they have set up the war machine, and one thing, we Vets should all know is.... When they have their machine set up, anytime in history... They can't help but use it.

It is what they do....

I know your going right about now....

that damn Greywolf is crazy...

I ain't waiting to be sacrificed for the cause..

It is not your choice really...

Let's be honest again... Your on here, you've preached you'll fight... You have talk about making a stand... They know who you are and where you are... Many of you they've even figured out your retreats and bug out locations. They probably have flown over and have the layout of your "compound" as they will call it.

They just this morning, in a single engine plane flew over my place..

now your probably saying Greywolf is paranoid...

But let me explain...

As you know I have been running in the morning to reclaim my physical conditioning, lost after my operation...

" I'm up to 5 miles by the way"

As I was about a half mile from my place I noticed a small plane flying toward my place. No big deal, I thought.

But I watched it any way.

As it approached my place I noticed it climbing higher and starting to turn.

I believe it climbed to gain altitude to circle quietly,

It then cut back it's engine to idle made two circles around my place and then after turning away and losing altitude it raised throttle and flew away toward the way it came.

So if they are scoping me out, I might just be one of the guys they come after in force.

Or it could be many of us at once.

But your chance will come, and soon I predict.

The truth is the fight will come to us, if we start the fight, we will be the bad guys, if we are attacked and innocents are killed by them...

Hearts and minds my friends..

That's the truth,

everyone else can blow smoke up your skirt, but I will tell you the truth...

They are coming and many will die, and appearances are important.

They must be the tyrants, we must not be the domestic terrorists...

Not in their eyes but the people's eyes...

because we can not win without support of the people.

So if your ready to fight your chance will soon come, but war is not like the old war movies, and this one will be like none other ever fought...

Your chance to make your stand is many little stands locally and maybe one big one when your enough of a pain in their A$$ to get their attention.

IMHO
Greywolf


So you wanted the truth now there it is...

What the F*ck you going to do with it?... You say your don't want 2 or 3 more years of talking...

Then stand the F*ck up, when they put up the road blocks in your neighborhoods, when they tell you you can't speak out, When they go after some one in your AO,

you and your unit should block access to that person...

I ain't saying you gotta travel 600 miles to defend a patriot brother. I can't get some of you to go 5 mile to help a brother or train for that matter.

Stop the violations of your rights in your AO, if you can't do that, your not going to do it nationwide...

Don't tell me how ready you are tell them...

And stand arm in arm and see if they try and crush you...

Then fight back..defend that brother patriot.

PS... I sure, I will get the well what are you doing about it arguments... First.. OPSEC second.. guess what It only matters what you are doing... worry about your AO, that what the militia is all about.. A bunch of different militia units protecting their AO's


Just once after a incident of tyranny by government agents....

I will be thrilled to hear just one time that a road block was busted up by patriots, or a van load of Homeland security agents were pulled form their vehicle and tied to a telephone pole and tared and feathered. TSA agents seen running from the airport naked. IRS agents who tried to enforce Obamacare, found hogtied on the side of a road with 10-40 forms rolled up and sticking out their a$$. Or JBT's found whipped and tied to a cannon in the city square.

your pissed..... GOOD!

Just once after a incident of tyranny by government agents....

I will be thrilled to hear just one time that a road block was busted up by patriots, or a van load of Homeland security agents were pulled form their vehicle and tied to a telephone pole and tared and feathered. TSA agents seen running from the airport naked. IRS agents who tried to enforce Obamacare, found hogtied on the side of a road with 10-40 forms rolled up and sticking out their a$$. Or JBT's found whipped and tied to a cannon in the city square.

Those are some pretty good ideas...

Once again, I am unable to convey my thoughts on this friggen box. Nothing quite like a FTF conversation.

Just so you know, I'm not ruffled that easily.

Out here

Guys the war doesn't have to begin as a massive shooting war.

It should progress in stages.

For example...

Everyone refuses to buy the government mandated crap. In the meantime we prepare for their next move by pulling all our money out of the banks, retirement accounts, stock market etc. That way there wont be anything for them to confiscate when they decide to enforce their tyranny. Also, we adjust our deductions so that we have nothing withheld...thus removing more of our money from their grasp.

Then come tax day, everyone fails to file. We don't pay their fines and withhold our taxes because they're being a bunch of assholes.

And, only then, when they come to collect do we let them have it. And, no Ed and Elaines this time. We kill all they send. No surrender.

Agreed CSC,

but we do need small skirmishes to protect the individual AO of each unit..

We really need to see some things... I said to much already..


I have said my piece already above... Take it for what it's worth..

.

but OPSEC is hard when you see the same argument over and over for years...

Sometimes you wish you had better secured coms, if you know what I mean.

You guys are missing the point. If we play our cards right, we as individuals won't have to refuse to comply with the mandate. Our States can refuse to comply and, thanks to the Supreme Court ruling, the feds can't do anything about it. It\'s up to us to make sure the States nullify this law.

Onward and upward,
airforce

Sounds a lot like the Boston Tea Party and the Revolution that followed.

Thousands of New IRS Agents Hired to Enforce Obamacare


Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
July 3, 2012

Rep. Kevin Brady, a Texas Republican, warns that the IRS will hire up to 16,500 new enforcers in the coming months to go after citizens who do not pay the new Obamacare tax. The expansion is said to include criminal investigators who “make cases” in order to levy penalties on scofflaws.

Brady cites a recent analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and staff at the House Ways and Means Committee. The report says the IRS will need a fresh crop of agents to examine and audit tax information mandated by Obama’s misnamed Affordable Care Act.

In January of 2011, Rep. Michele Bachmann claimed the IRS planned to hire 16,500 IRS agents to police Obamacare compliance. CNN reported at the time that the number cited by the Minnesota Congresswoman originated in a GOP committee report, based on a preliminary estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

“When most people think of health care reform they think of more doctors exams, not more IRS exams,” Brady said. “Isn’t the federal government already intruding enough into our lives? We need thousands of new doctors and nurses in America, not thousands more IRS agents.”

Jim Kouri writes that nearly two dozen new tax increases will be levied under Obamacare, many of them hidden from the American people. Kouri also notes that compliance will add to the legendary annual headache Americans suffer every April 15. “In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of government approved health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes,” Kouri writes.

Characterizing Obamacare as a tax under the purview of the IRS is not mistake. The near mythical authoritarian power of the IRS will be used to make sure Americans do not challenge Obamacare and unquestioningly submit to its unprecedented intrusion.

“To even mention the name of this government institution can trigger waves of anxiety and stories of abuse and persecution that is unheard of for almost any other governmental body within this country,” writes Stock City News.

According to the noted polling service Rasmussen Reports, 43% of Americans fear the IRS more than the TSA. Only 20% feared the TSA more.

According to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, however, the Obamacare mandate is not a tax, although she told CNN the IRS would be the most effective enforcer.

“This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs,” she told Wolf Blitzer. “We’re not going to tolerate that any more in America. You have to be responsible and you have to pay a penalty if you choose not to be,” she warned.

Wasserman Schultz’s warning of IRS agents pursuing penalties is at odds with claims made by supporters of the legislation. For instance, in 2010, the Soros-funded disinformation project Think Progress claimed Republicans were fear-mongering the IRS aspect of the mandate. The website posted the video below. It shows IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman testifying before a House Ways and Means Committee hearing.

Shulman said the agency “won’t look behind” the “simple form” every American taxpayer will be required to submit in order to prove he or she has mandatory health insurance. This appears to be at odds with Wasserman Schultz’s comments about enforcement.

I just don't see this as the big issue to grandstand on. How many of us are small business employers? I could be wrong about this, but if you already pay for some sort of health insurance through work, then it counts toward this Obamacare thing. It amounts to a tax increase, and if you are already ducking the IRS one way or another, well, getting caught and fined is getting caught and fined. Being just plain too poor to afford taxes is one of those things they sort of look at on the enforcement side, that's why panhandlers just don't get the IRS on them, and guys scraping by with odd jobs don't either. Now tool around in a quad cab dually diesel 4x4 over to your nice paid for acreage in the country, or the Benz to your McMansion in the suburbs, while the wife brings the kids home from soccer practice in the Tahoe while dropping off a C-note for a tank of gas while none of you pay taxes, then yeah, the commission paid agents at the IRS will be licking their chops for some gunpoint financial negotiation.

Personally, I think this thing could go a dozen years without even getting heavily enforced at our level.

Thousands of New IRS Agents Hired to Enforce Obamacare

CSC,

That's why I said this......

IRS agents who tried to enforce Obamacare, found hogtied on the side of a road with 10-40 forms rolled up and sticking out their a$$

Have a great Declaration of Independence Day, Maybe today is a good day to renew that document.



The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton

On This Independence Day I am Not feeling what was a Celebration I enjoyed all My 63 Years in this Life..I am Ashamed of this Government, and the Morons that allowed them in Power..Everyday they get more Shrill and Demeaning,with their Threats of non-Compliance,the Petty Tyrants are out in force, they are embolden, by the Traitors in DC...

We are at a crossroads in our Lives, and its never been more Important,to organise, and prepare for what May Become Civil War..I do not want WAR! but I will not live as they direct! I will resist ,I may not fire the first shot, but I WILL Fire!...Semper Fi

Did this in 2000.

No bank accounts that matter - only enough to by some stuff online or pay a bill.

Pay 0 to the IRS, and will not ever again.

Independence Day means less to me every year.

This year, it means NOTHING to me.

Not a damn thing.

Independence from WHAT?

I LMAO'd earlier when Megan Kelly on Fox had a bunch of servicemen and women on. She was swooning about how they fought to protect our independence.

What a f'ing joke.

Independence from what?

From Afghanistan?
Iraq?
Iran?
Serbia?
Viet Nam?

Even Russia?
China?


The "Enemy" is in control of our Govt for crying out loud.

What has gone on in just the past week and a half?
The last 6 months?

Independence?
Freedom?
The UNITED States?

drJ,

Down South we still celebrate Independence day but it ain't on the 4th.

We celebrate our independence from a tyrannical federal government.

A very interesting conference by CATO institute on the Supreme court ruling Worth watching both sessions....
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/CareDecisio

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/CatoIn



Sorry the first link was to the pre decision, I have corrected it.. They are now videos on the ruling..

A-friggin-men! Just another pseudo-veteran's day?

I may be in the minority of opinions on this, but to me the 4th is about kicking the arse of those that seek to enslave you.....not kissing the ass of the powers arrayed against you and bleating the party line.

Only you,myself and a handful of other patriots have had their posts censored here.

But, not if your an Islamo-Facist TURD,(AKA EDOGZ818,Mr.Medina).Who fought dogs and sold drug,was busted by the fds and did "NO" time.Then goes on to infiltrate the patriot movement.Then it's time to be politically correct(or something) and allow the turd to through a S-storm of BS on multiple threads.And attack several members here for asking him to tone it down a notch.

Time for some house cleaning,to save what's left of this boards credibility.....

"If they are going to make you a criminal, be all the criminal you can be."
--Me

BTW, I think that this healthcare scam called ZeroCare is rife for PR opportunities.

Further, ZeroCare, excessive taxation and the IRS in general are suitable targets for a Tea Party type excercise.

The Sons of Liberty provoked King George by hitting his income. The same being done to the arrogant narcissist, Zero, would almost certainly be treated likewise.

Then we can finally get to our Concord Bridge, Lexington Green and the long march back to Boston the Redcoats got to be on the receiving end of.

I,like all of the above.

PR attack,ZEROCARE(NOCARE)!

Teaparty ops on the ground!

But,we are at a disadvantage when it comes to hurting their pocket book....

[The Sons of Liberty provoked King George by hitting his income]..
King George,had to coin wealth from real gold and sliver.

Todays,King George(FED/UN/NWO) creates money out of thin air.That's why it is worthless,but it does control the pawns and sheople...For now!

Leo, you summed it all up. It just don't get any better'n that!

I hear what yer saying Wolf, but I think for the most part, everybody is just sick and tired of it. As you said, we know it's coming, but there ain't a damn thing we can do about it, except get fired-up and ready for it. If that means getting a little "excited" about it, then so be it. As long as that "excitement" is channeled in a way that benefits the warrior in us all, we'll be ok.

Kinda makes me think about what we did to the Viet Cong tax collectors.......food for thought.

Thanks Straycat. Sometimes you just have to speak from the heart and I have a big heart.

I think sometimes my passion for what needs doing gets in the way and makes me come across as a hot head. When really, Im a serious contender, not a flail er.

Pisses me off that our Republic is getting smoked, when the traitors need smoking.

Out here

- Thomas Jefferson

I'll probably try to scam, gaff off or just plain break that law if I feel I can get away with it, but not to the point of going suicide trooper to the nearest federal building.

If I go to work for a regular employer who deducts that from my payroll, I'll just pay for the health insurance. Never know when I might need it, but then I served the government several years anyway, voluntarily, so that I could get on the regular VA medical program for free just in case later in life I could afford nothing else.

I don't have a major problem paying for the benefits of citizenship when they are tangible, and health care is, it is the big fat insulting violation of the social contract when you pay for services and benefits of citizenship and get stabbed in the back for it, with the fuckers taking your money and using it against you.

Far as I am concerned, most of the money going to the Justice Department and its spinoff shit is mostly stolen money, ripped off from entirely affordable social services and public benefit programs and possibilities. Roads, bridges, libraries, parks, public pools, recreation centers, schools....hospitals. Its all feel good stuff, I don't have a major big fight over it.

Prisons and gulags at a level beyond what the Soviets did, domestic spy agencies more pervasive than the CIA with they had in their most fantastic wet dreams during the cold war, cameras and thugs with guns and badges on everyone's back, well, that's where I get off the civic duty to contribute game. The 3rd amendment violation comes into play when you are forced to give up your sustenance to pay for government supervision and surveillance. Pitching in for clinics and hospitals, just not worth killing over.

Resistance at the state.gov level is key to what remains of our opportunities to effect peaceful (read non-violent) change.

I also agree with Breacher that we should not attack the actual medical benefits, but instead focus on thwarting those agents of tyranny who steal our money through violence, and use the fruits of our labor in order to squelch individual liberty.

Yeah Debbie I got a reply for that:

http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2012/07/fuck-obamacare.html

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

UPDATE

One of the moderators seems to have a bigger issue with a naughty swear word than with our enemies or sticking together:


J. Croft
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Member # 3405 Icon 1 posted 07-07-2012 07:31 AM Profile for J. Croft Email J. Croft I don't know what your particular beef is with me and I really don't care but you censoring me as a Patriot-that's something I'm not going to tolerate.

I am going to repost my reply, again. Do not censor me again, a few spicy words are not worth acting like the enemy would and start something that needn't be started. Shouldn't have in the 1st place.

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Member # 563 Icon 1 posted 07-07-2012 10:49 AM Profile for Imagrunt Email Imagrunt If your post has the word "***" in it, I will delete it again.

I gave you an opportunity to be civil with your discourse, and that particular word is beyond innapropriate.

I asked you simply to repost without that word.

I don't care what type of language you use on your own blog, but AWRM needs to maintain a certain decorum, so prepare for more censorship.


Putting it out there so everyone can make their own mind up about Imagrunt... I mean, really.

LePage calls IRS the 'new Gestapo'
The governor uses his radio address to attack President Obama's Affordable Care Act.

By Steve Mistler smistler@pressherald.com
Staff Writer

Gov. Paul LePage used his weekly radio address to blast President Obama's health care law and described the Internal Revenue Service as the "new Gestapo."


The IRS description was a reference to a provision in the Affordable Care Act that requires Americans not insured by their employers or Medicaid to buy health insurance or pay an annual penalty when filing their tax returns. The provision, known more broadly as the individual mandate, was the subject of a multi-state lawsuit, but was recently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.

LePage said the court decision has "made America less free."

"We the people have been told there is no choice," he said. "You must buy health insurance or pay the new Gestapo -- the IRS."

Maine Democratic Party Chairman Ben Grant, responding to LePage's remarks, said, "We've come to expect a bunch of nonsense from Gov. LePage, but this is a step too far. There appears now to be no limit to the extreme language he will use to misinform, degrade and insult people. Somebody needs to explain to him that he's the governor of a state, and not a talk radio host. I demand a full apology on behalf of all those who suffered at the hands of the real Gestapo."

"There is nothing that degrades politics more than purported leaders who so cavalierly invoke the worst in human history when they can't get their way in legitimate, modern policy disagreements," Grant said.

The Gestapo were Nazi Germany's official secret police under Adolf Hitler, who imprisoned and murdered thousands of people without cause.

The debate over the mandate has become a political flash point since the health law was enacted. Republicans maintain that the requirement is an unfair tax. Democrats say the mandate was originally a Republican idea born from the conservative Heritage Foundation, which introduced the measure in 1989 as a counterpoint to calls for a single-payer health care system.

LePage also addressed another element of the health-care law that was immediately thrust into the public debate: Medicaid expansion. Originally, the Affordable Care Act required states to increase eligibility for low-income residents or pay a penalty. The court decision struck down the penalty; however, the federal government is still offering to pay for the expansion.

The federal government will fund 100 percent of the expansion from 2014 to 2016, gradually declining to 90 percent after that.

LePage says he needs more answers before making a decision about the Medicaid expansion, which has been assailed by fellow Republican governors. At least 15 have said they'll forgo the federal funding.

LePage said the state doesn't know how the federal matches will be paid for and how the newly eligible recipients would be defined.

"However, Maine is already a welfare expansion state because of the generous benefits offered," he said, adding that Maine's welfare costs are among the highest in the nation because the state had expanded Medicaid prior to the Republican electoral sweep of 2010.

The governor also appeared to preempt potential pressure from hospitals to support Medicaid expansion.

Hospitals may end up supporting the expansion because increased Medicaid offerings lower uncompensated, or charity, care levels.

Uncompensated care is health-care costs that hospitals absorb because people can't or won't pay. A recent report in the Portland Press Herald showed that uncompensated care by Maine hospitals has doubled over the last five years, from $94 million to $194 million.

LePage said that increasing Medicaid may make it more difficult to pay hospitals the $500 million the state already owes in reimbursement.

The governor added that Maine will not move forward the ACA's insurance exchanges -- the marketplaces where individuals can shop for health plans from private companies -- until the proposed $800 million tab to pay for them passes Congress.

"With these looming uncertainties circling around this issue, Maine cannot move forward right now with Obamacare," LePage said.

The governor finished his radio address by outlining his ideological opposition to the health-care law, which he said "raises taxes, cuts Medicare for the elderly, gets between patients and their doctors, costs trillions of taxpayer dollars, and kills jobs."

"Even more disheartening is that reviving the American dream just became nearly impossible to do," he said. "We are now a nation which supports dependency rather than independence. Instead of encouraging self-reliance, we are encouraging people to rely on the government."

State House Writer Steve Mistler can be contacted at 791-6345 or at:

smistler@pressherald.com

Twitter: stevemistler

J. Croft, you posted Imagrunt's PM to you, so...

If a fellow patriot came into my home and began using foul language, I would ask him to stop using foul language. If he refused to stop, I would politely ask him to leave. If he refused to leave, I would use force to remove him.

It has nothing to do with his views or his patriotism. It has to do with me wanting to maintain a particular kind of environment in my home.

As I understand it, AWRM is not equivalent to a street corner outside a convenience store where there are no rules. It is a privately owned space on the Web. The owners of this privately owned Web space have, whether for good or for ill, decided that the use of foul language in the discussions on this site adversely affect our image.

What is so difficult about using different words or omitting the offensive words when you post here? Is it really such an imposition? I honestly don't get it. You're coming into their "house", you're violating their rules, and you're laying down the law for them, forcefully telling them to submit to as if you own this space. There are a number of choice words to describe that kind of behavior.

Aren't we already too much divided against one another to let something as insignificant as this get us riled up?

What's really at stake in your view, and is this, in your view, a my-way-or-the-highway issue?

Ah Flick I was wondering when you'd chime in...

If a "fellow patriot" censored you in your hour of outrage-in this hour where we all need to be outraged instead of hemming and hawing and rationalizing Obamacare and it's imposition of more tyranny-if that "fellow patriot" CENSORED you for a "naughty word" when others on this board curse the enemy... and get away with it(have to get away with it-on a patriot board?!)

Okay, if someone billing themselves as a "fellow patriot" censored you for some rough language in this hour of righteous outrage, would you not call him on his BULLSHIT?

I did.

Flick, when you log onto a website, you are NOT at your home. In effect you are out in a more public space and sometimes those you are with are going to be pissed off, mightily pissed off as all hell about some outrage-like Obamacare.

Now, a Patriot can look at the word "cunt" and say, well that woman probably deserves. Or they might say whoa that's hauling out the heavy artillery for a gnat and perhaps that's a issue of taste...

Taste...

Imagrunt decided to play potty mouth po-lice over a word he personally considered 'tasteless'. He played the same BULLSHIT our enemies like to play-what does that make him?

AWRM is privately owned-but it's not owned by myself, Imagrunt and definitely not you. It is in essence a public space isolated from other public spaces by registration requirements for other Patriots... and I don't see Breacher, Greywolf, DoctorJeep, CSC, or any of the other Patriots having their posts censored by Imagrunt and his sensitive eyes. Mabye because they give the impression they'd make the car trip over to his house and knock his teeth in for pulling such crap-you think that's it? Perhaps I don't exude that, or enough?

You worry about AWRM's image-over me dropping the c-bomb on a cunt? A traitorous cunt who approves-do you remember what this post was about Flick? What was that... oh yes the title: "non-compliance with obamacare will not be tolerated".

We got tyranny being shoved down our throats and we got someone acting like a petty tyrant over some well-earned foul language-you don't see the disconnect?

See Flick, there's this thing in America we call Free Speech; something a Patriot would honor even though calling a cunt a cunt does melt the ears and eyes of those not used to such terms. I typically don't haul out the word, I save it for special occasions and for people that especially deserve the perjorative.

Aren't we already too much divided against one another to act like our enemies over some well-earned foul language?

So, Flick, what's really at stake in your view, and why is it you're the commanding officer of the J. Croft wet blanket brigade here at AWRM?

JC,

Everyone is fed up and angry with the current situation.

Sometimes I have to censor myself.

As one of the moderators here, I gave Imagrunt full authority to censor or delete anything he determines is out of line or over the top.

And, it is at his discretion.

Just trying to be helpful. I guess I just don't see much constructive or unifying in making threats to other patriots. So much for my budding career in conflict resolution.

Justice Roberts took some great pains to call the penalty a "tax," even invoking a hypothetica "window tax:"

What Justice Roberts did not do, however, was say just what kind of a tax it is. It is not an income tax, because accession of wealth is not a requirement before the tax is imposed. And it certainly is not a tariff, excise, or impost or duty tax. It can only be a direct tax, which is borne out by both past legislation and case law. And if we use his example of a "window tax," it becomes apparent that it is a direct tax.

On July 14, 1798, Congress passed the "Direct Tax Act," which ordered tax assessors to examine houses in order to make note of the number and size of windows on each house, so that Congress could impose a direct tax on windows. there was no dispute the window tax was a direct tax. Therefore, a tax on not having a certain type of window would also be a direct tax.

But the Constitution, under Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4, states that direct taxes must be apportioned among the States.

can the tax be challenged in court, on the basis that it is an unconstitutional tax? I'm starting to think that it can.

Onward and upward,
airforce

I appreciate your attempt, but once JC posted my PM on the board, I knew there would be no "resolution."

There are so many words one can use, and that particular word I personally consider to be highly offensive, and generally disrespectful to ALL females.

Restraint requires discipline and honor, especially when a self-proclaimed warrior patriot is reacting with "righteous outrage."

As to Obamacare:

The passionate reactions will all but cease once this epic travesty is renamed Romneycare.

Agreed. I'm a little late on this, but I'm in your corner.

Onward and upward,
airforce

J croft, bother

I understand your passion at Obama care..

What is happening in this country, makes my blood boil. I am sure there has been an occasion when I slipped in a word or two that shouldn't be said in front of children, or as We used to say mixed company.

But that's old fashion now.

I can pretty much say though 99% of the time. I write those words with symbols to replace letters leaving it up to your imagination.

Such as A$$ or F#ck...

Is that really cleaning it up... Probably not.

But I feel there in not much need to fill in the blanks and I really try to remember that kids and people, who already have a slightly bad opinion of us may read, what I post.

I try not to feed the trolls with too much they can post elsewhere and make us look bad by taking it out of context.

I mean think about it, we all get mad, we all say how we feel, and if their's an idiot using our posts to prove his point, that we are Racist sexist homaphobs with the desire to kill the president and over throw the government.

He or She can take pieces of our post and paste them together to lean that way...

Fair or not fair, that's how the enemy works...

I do try to check out sites that post things we say, and bad mouth us..I have on occasion even went on their sites and commented.

I did it just recently on The SPLC site and a couple others that were taking posts out of context to say we were planing a war.

So, what I am saying is many of you here, are look on as leaders by younger patriots, and some sheepies come on here to see what we are about, maybe decide to join up.

With that power comes responsibility..

The members who have been here a while and know more, must act with honor and dignity.

They are the guys that back home may be looked for as leaders when the SHTF.

So take it for what it is worth, we all are angry, we all say things that should be removed and we all should do a better job of setting an example.

Back on topic...

We are being tested by this administration..

Not just us, but all the people.

Obama care is not about health, it is about control, power, and how much the people will take before they buck the Feds.

President Obama has systematically put in executive orders and laws to strip rights, as Bush did before him, and the people are not in the streets...

Until they are in the streets, he is emboldened to continue.

Greywolf

There is no reason for dedicated members of the militia to talk, or write, like a bunch of street punks. We're better than that.

Onward and upward,
airforce

If you actually take a few days and download the Obamacare legislation to your desktop and get a cse of cold _____ and make yourself read it you will find very little healthcare and a bunch of Health Care "Control". There are in and outs in the bills because of terms used.
When I see a State pass legislation to remove The State from the law and I go look at their "TERMS" I see no references to "The People" nor any wordage that says the State will be proactive in protecting the people.
The Bar-Fly lawyers who write this stuff know this. When the feds come after Uncle Edie, and take his farm because he refused to be covered by Obamacare or pay the Taxes the state will probably provide backup Deputies and State police to help arrest him.
People have to learn that the federal Government is a 'Corporation'. The State of ______ is also a "Corporation".
The 14th Amendment prohibits any state from denying any US CITIZEN any right granted by the Federal Governmnet. So these bogus statements of " Non-Compliance " only apply to state requirements to perform and not to you and me unless they specifically state different and I have yet to see one do that.

I really wish someone would finally point out that "health insurance" and "health care" are two different things. I like to point out that if you're a terrible driver, having auto insurance will not make you able to parallel park.

Everyone in Canada has health insurance, and everyone in Britain has dental insurance, too. Ask anyone from those two countries how good their health care and dental care is.

Onward and upward,
airforce