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Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri #157641
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Yesterday, police in Ferguson, Missouri, shot an unarmed teenager to death . Hours ago, a peaceful demonstration turned violent, with bottles reportedly being thrown at police and the police responding with tear gas.

Now, shots have reportedly been fired at the police, or a police helicopter, or both .

This is getting ugly.

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A lot of stuff out of that part of the country these days.


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The FBI will investigate the shooting of Michael Brown.

Al Sharpton and the usual cast of other publicity hounds are headed to Ferguson, too. They will undoubtedly succeed in getting on television.

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Police say the FBI is taking over the investigation of a suburban St. Louis police officer who fatally shot an unarmed teenager.

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson tells The Associated Press that he was informed Monday that the FBI was going to take over the investigation into the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Jackson says he welcomes the move. (Yeah, right. - airforce)

Police say the teen was shot multiple times Saturday in a scuffle with an officer.

Tensions erupted in Ferguson after a candlelight vigil Sunday night. Crowds looted and burned stores, vandalized vehicles and taunted officers who tried to block access to parts of the city. Nearly three dozen people were arrested, though the area was relatively quiet early Monday.

The FBI in St. Louis didn't immediately return a message seeking comment.
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OK this is a local/Regional domestic event. MO can we get some eyes in the area. Primary source information dissemination and first hand accounts. IE a SITREP.


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Here is an interactive map of the shooting and rioting in Ferguson. Anyone live in the St. Louis area?

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President Obama still hasn't commented on the riots in Ferguson. He released a statement on the death of Robin Williams, but not word about Michael Brown or Ferguson.

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Citing threats on social media, police will not release the name of the officer who shot Michael Brown to death .

They also say their cars are not equipped with dashcams, and their body cams aren't yet in use. That seems pretty convenient.

The FAA has now banned aircraft from flying at less than 3000\' over Ferguson.

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Here is an interactive map of the shooting and rioting in Ferguson. Anyone live in the St. Louis area?

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Those are not looters - they are Wealth Redistribution Engineers.


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Gun sales have quadrupled around the St. Louis area. Some of those "Wealth redistribution Engineers" may find the going a little tougher.

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Gun sales are up across St. Louis since the shooting of Michael Brown and subsequent nights of violence.

Sales have quadrupled at ‘Metro Shooting’ in Bridgeton according to owner Steven King. He says sales have mainly been to men, but not all:

“Probably a dozen or two dozen guns to females, single mothers. We’ve sold to black people, white people. We’ve sold to asians who have businesses on West Florissant.” said King. “They’re just afraid of whats going on and they’re coming in to purchase either additional firearms or their first firearm.”

King says he’s personally seen the fear in their eyes and feels the sorrow in their hearts. King says he’s not raised prices but he knows that some are raiding their savings accounts, feeling that having a gun is that important.

He says nearly 100 percent say they are buying them for defensive purposes. “They’re buying AR-15s, home defense shotguns, handguns, personal defense handguns something for conceal carry.” said King.

Nearly all of his sales at the Bridgeton store have been to people in North County. He has a store in Belleville and says, in contrast, sales have been normal there.
And a liberal reporter asked Al Sharpton if he was there to snitch on the rioters .

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Adam Sharp: Sir, the term “Snitches Get Snitches” was spray painted on the burned out QuikTrip. Since you are a federal snitch, sir, do you fear for your life?

Al Sharpton: I’m not a snitch. (Not true) But today I want to tell the feds about a cop that needs to go to jail.

Sharp: Are you in fear for your life being a federal informant and…

Sharpton: I want to inform on this policeman today.

Sharp: Are you here to snitch on the rioters?… Are you here to work with your FBI partners?

Sharpton: (no response)
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Now even liberals are concerned about the militarization of police. Welcome to the party, Mr. Marshall.

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Reddit has a live feed of the latest protest in Ferguson here .

Alex Jones also has a live feed. The protesters are advancing, and the line of cops and the MRAP aren't moving.

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There are many race baiters and hate mongers out there fanning the flames if these crowds, encouraging them to more violence.

We will see this in every urban area soon.


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Police are shooting gas right now. Reports of shots being fired, and the Alex Jones reporter is gagging on gas.

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In case you missed it, here\'s another video from tonight\'s protest . Things start going nuts at about the 9 minute mark.

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The police didn't even hesitate. I was expecting a strobe along with the sound cannon but they went straight to tear gas and rubber bullets. It's as if they were trying to provoke the demonstrators. I noticed that the tear gas had a large amount of smoke with it. That works both ways. I'm sure that the helicopter was providing overwatch with FLIR and NV.


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I just watched a News Report the walking piles of pig excrement aka COPS also targeted News Crews and used Tear Gas against them.

Some cops also arrested some Reporters, at least one of them from the Washington Post.


Cops have had a License to Murder for far too long, I wonder when or if one of these Murders by Cop results in someone shooting and killing a cop or two or three cops, then things will really get interesting.

I believe it is only a matter of time until things really heat up.


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I love this quote from St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar :

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We’ve done everything we can to demonstrate a remarkable amount of restraint. If there was an easy way to fix this, we would have already solved the problem.
One of the people they arrested last night was Antonio French , a St. Louis alderman who had been reporting on the protest.

The Missouri governor, Jay Nixon, released a statement "urging" police to respect the rights of the citizens of Ferguson. Um, how about ordering the police to do that?

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The hacking group "Anonymous" has released the name of the officer who shot Mike Brown, Officer Bryan P. Willman. But their Twitter account has now been suspended, and police say that isn\'t the right officer .

Police are refusing to release the name of the officer involved in the shooting, due to threats.

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It seems the coppers started something. Methinks a class war. something far more than a riot. we should look for it and other ancillary actions to continue. When a civil suit is filed the bastards in blue will have to give the name up. I expect direct targeted retaliation from more organized members of the opposition to take certain kinetic actions against the pig who did the shooting.

As far as them pinching the reporters and news crews there will be a lot of expensive hell to pay. Look for many aclu actions.


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When a civil suit is filed the bastards in blue...
They're not in blue. They're dressed like an occupying army, but they don't have the discipline the Army does. Rep. Justin Amash is right, this looks more like a war zone than an American city.

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Gov. Jay Nixon has ordered the Missouri Highway Patrol to take over in Ferguson.

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Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon on Thursday ordered the state Highway Patrol to take over security in Ferguson, the St. Louis suburb roiled by four nights of unrest over the police killing of an unarmed black teenager.

The governor moved after police came under intense criticism for their handling of the protests, including firing tear gas into crowds on Wednesday night and arresting two reporters.

Nixon said that Ferguson in recent days looked “a little more like a war zone, and that’s unacceptable.”

The head of the Highway Patrol, Capt. Ron Johnson, told reporters: “I understand the anger and fear the residents of Ferguson are feeling, and our police officers will respect both of them.”

Police had said that healing racial tension in Ferguson was a priority. The Ferguson police department is mostly white, while the city is mostly black. Johnson, who is black, grew up in the community.

“It means a lot to me personally that we break this cycle of violence,” he said.

Nixon said that local police would still be involved in patrols, but he said that the Highway Patrol would be in charge. He said that he hoped the change would “provide a breathing space” to address bigger problems....
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Protesters are marching in Ferguson again. Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol is walking alongside them. the crowd seems to welcome him. No tanks, no tar gas. Quite a change from the last few days.

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Woman, reportedly almost in tears, thanks Capt. Ron Johnson for taking over in Ferguson. No armor, no rifles, no gas masks. No Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in sight anywhere.

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I am in agreement Sapper. Looks like class warfare to some degree. The upper middling tax parasites asserting their domination over the lower tax parasites. They made the mistake of thinking they could step on those not totally at the bottom, and when testing the waters of a streetcorner execution of a lower middling type, they hit the shitstorm.

By what I am getting from the original shooting incident, that cop just plain nutted up. Indulged in some high stakes crazy and for whatever reasons was out of touch with reality, as noted in the course of the conversations with the dispatcher, changing his story about not being aware of an officer involved shooting in the area.

I am really thinking it is a psych case but it went all sideways when the coverup started and the local residents called them on it.

Neither set of tactics, rioting or MRAPs with dismounted infantry swaggering around in the open all clustered up like that are going to be effective against our kind of people, so whatever tactics all of those people use against each other and adopt as doctrine because they figure it gets them what they want, then so much the better.

If we can get this patriot stronghold network really off the ground, nobody will get away with playing that shit on our people, NOBODY. Imagine the massacre if someone was stupid enough to organize some bullshit protest against the Bundy and start trying to burn and loot the ranch because some aspiring demagogue inspired someone to try it. Or, imagine some cops rolling up on the "free speech zone" or one of the supporter campsites in the desert and just shooting someone down for the hell of it.

Maybe those SPLC experts really are on to something when they tell the police not to go getting stupid on our kinds of people, knowing how this police state thing is progressing. Yeah, better watch those thug habits if you are dealing with known patriots.


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The TTP's of the officers have set in motion the waking up of the sheeple.

This is going to spread. And either the TTP's will have to be downgraded to a less militant approach I.E more people friendly. Or the pushback from the populace is going to escalate.

Airforce the "boys in blue" is a slang term for police. Sorry for the misinterpretation that you received.

And the force applied was not proportional to the threat perceived. Way to much force. This creates a fairly predictable Cause and Effect.

The tackling and pinching of the reporters is a big issue. by attacking the press they now have no media outlet to spread their dogma or propaganda. Bad idea to go after reporters.

I have not put out a signal report in a few days I will start that again tomorrow. I have been working to help get HR 4969 passed. It is important.

This police state is not happening on its own. Barring any breach of debriefing or security clearance violations. I will put this in a simple terminology.

DHS was created under the auspices of fear and desperation. And as any agency that is created under such conditions. It can only continue to exist as long as fear can run rampant through the upper leadership of our country. They have to sell fear to stay in business.

When I was on the QHSR workgroup we ran scenarios . The output of those scenarios are the basis of the up armoring and upgrading of the equipment of the police forces. The nexus of this is the DHS.

I no longer have access to the dhs restricted collection as that was pulled recently. But I remember every report I ever read. and I can tell you that agencies and departments that you would never think of being involved in information collection are doing just that. This information is used to sell fear. this fear justifies a budget.


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From the reports I have seen..90% of the protesters are Peaceful.. The 10% causing trouble should be dealt with...

But after the initial riot...LEO's are the one coming in with violence right off the bat..

Other night they came in tear gassing, flash banging, and firing rubber bullets at anything that moved..Local militia's, and other organizations should come out with statements in support of ANY PEACEFUL protesters..

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The way I see it, the militia just won another battle. I don't know how many of those protesters would call themselves "militia," and many of them hold political views that are a little different from our own, but they are members of the militia as defined by the Constitution. And like the folks at the Bundy Ranch, they had the guts to stand up to the power of the government, and won. So, I consider this one more victory.

Even more important, the issue of police militarization has now been picked up by the mainstream press. Radley Balko was on CNN last night talking about that, and Sen. Rand Paul and Rep. Justin Amash have weighed in on it as well.

Just this morning I was down at city hall, waiting for an elevator with a city council staffer, and we got to talking. (Most of the people at city hall know me by now.) She asked me why the libertarians and the Patriots hadn't been talking about police militarization before now.

If I had any hair on my head, I would have torn it out. When have we not been talking about it? But it is gratifying to see everybody else talking about it now.

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Airforce you could of pulled Nose Hairs!! LOL...

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In either event, for a lot of us, showing up to some battle deployment thing is going to be a one way trip. Win or die sort of thing, not show up, wave guns, plackards and cameras around then go home declaring victory.

Some of us, if we wander in front of the wrong camera the wrong way will be marked for death. I was personally told that in one of those intimidation sessions by some very connected people. Of course I am sure Yeager was told the same thing, difference being he shows up with a dozen guys who have their rights and weapons intact. Heck, you are talking about guys who even have their class 3 and carry permits.

I am also not risking my life to defend the not so innocent who decided to go attacking and looting people for no reason and or were obviously turning a blind eye to it. What I see there is just the Missouri version of Maxine Waters dancing in the street to declare peace (and victory) while countless innocents are in the hospital or dead.

So what's next? Robbing banks to save the whales?

What I see on this was a clear cut justification for armed patriot militia units to converge on neighborhoods where welcome, I said WHERE WELCOME, setting up patrols and checkpoints and making sure neither combatant group molests those in the protected area.

That means in no uncertain terms, telling the protesters and rioters it is not their area to march through, tear up, get loud in, or go scouting for victims. It means facing down some of those MRAPs from behind a barricade and a small committee of local representatives steps out with armed bodyguards telling the police that their services are no needed in the area, the situation is handled, and do not enter under arms. You would expect a few to go undercover through the checkpoints, but the overt military force will be repelled. You are checking and recording IDs on whoever goes through the checkpoints, snapping quick digital photos of each vehicle and its occupants. If they are found to be "just cruising through", then on the outgoing checkpoint, you pull them out and toss the car. You find weapons, molotovs and shit like that, make examples. Don't forget too, in Iraq, some of those troublemakers were government provocateurs. I think the SAS got caught dressing up as one of the rival Muslim factions and then attacking a mosque in order to stir shit up between some rival factions in one of the cities the Brits were trying to get a handle on. There was an incident I remember someone talked a lot about on Lightfighter where a team of Brits got manhandled pretty badly by the US Marines when a similar looking team of Brits had been in the area randomly shooting people. Marines at the outgoing checkpoint had no sense of humor about it since they had been getting along with the locals and decided to give the "contractors" the Abu Graib treatment. Those who were picked up denied they were the ones randomly cruising around shooting people, but then other contractors were caught doing that shit a while later. You do fixed location security with lots of cameras around and I think you reduce a lot of the chances of someone tagging false flag stuff on you.

Even if your security group hires or includes several law enforcement people, it means changing uniforms on them, making statements that it is a new organization, and NOT taking directives from the old police department chain of command for the duration of the situation.

If local stakeholders, property owners and business are unwilling to sanction and support security operations to their own benefit, then fuck them. They can stick to the choices they have, A: rule by the police state, or B: Rule by the riot mob. Every option has its price.


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Breacher very good points. I myself do not want to be on camera. Nor do I want a to leave a large footprint.

If I am in the area It is on a strict need to know. A very short list. A list that knows the ramifications of betraying me.

I am a kinetic person I will act kinetically. And it will be options of my choosing at risks that I am willing to take. I do not involve others in my projects any more. from 1983-199- We had a small cell it dissolved in 93. All missions accomplished and no problems. thousands of man hours and hundreds of missions. If you want to do it right you do not talk and never publish how you did anything.

Statutes are up on all of the deeds done. And I can tell you that a proactive group can get anything done that they desire. You just have to want it.

I do not show up to protest I do not show up as a show of force. I show up to break shit and ruin lives. That is what I am a person who does bad shit to bad people to set a good example.

Thus is why I don't like wasting time as there is to much shit to be done.

To many people like to take a safe line. that line has been getting pushed further back into our territory rapidly in the last 30 years.

I do not attach to causes. Joan of Arc did and oops it was the stake. The other day you quoted Machiavelli. I prefer Lawrence and Sawyer Hart and Rommel. I will drag my actions on as long as they are fruitful and wear the opposition down. I don't act for money.

We had a Republic once and if we want it back we will have to fight for it. But it is impossible to get cowards to throw down the quill and pick up the sword.

Che Guevara was right about a revolution ripe for occurring will find its supporters along the way. It is as a self fulfilling prophecy. Yet to few are willing to stand up and do something. And even fewer lack the skillsets need to fight a new way of war. The traditional tactics are out the window. Technology has seen to that.

The ways to do are known to those who fight against that stuff every day yet, no one wants to learn and do. They key word is DO.

BE.. KNOW.. DO..

Remember asymmetry and learn how it works and what it does. Forget swarming that involves personnel. Here is the plain truth. The defense community will send a device before they send a person. Why? RELIABILITY.

So adopt this martial view point. Never send a person to contested or fatal ground when you can use a device that never sleeps, shits, snores or needs medical care.

And before any gets high and mighty remember this is a concept adopted by every standing army in the world. Forget trenches and all that 19th century bullshit. get with the program and learn to Be the Bane of your Enemy. Know how to do this. And How they act react. Do unto them before they can do unto you.

This is the New way of war folks. Cut an dried no theory and no bullshit.

Riots are one thing but look at this from a recruiting point every enemy your enemy makes becomes a friend to you. They are more receptive of you and never turn down the chance to make allies.

Something I learned from my days with the TNR..

1. If they cannot give people they can lend transportation. If they cannot lend transportation they can lend equipment and tools.

If they cannot lend equipment and tools they can lend food and band aids. if they cannot lend those items they can give an alibi.

If they cannot do these things they can give money. If none of this then they can look the other way.

The safest safe house is one that does not fit the profile of who you hang out with. No one would ever think to find any of us hiding with the Crips and Bloods or MS-13 .


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Re: Rioting in Ferguson, Missouri #157671
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A lot more options open up when you have an ongoing income stream and relatively open schedule with a cover story for travel. Most of the rest of us have to make money as we go.

Personally, I am risk adverse on that too. I don't want my means of income being something that has "normal" law enforcement on my tail or citizens complaining, and I also avoid the kinds of risky work where someone could murder me and rig it to look like an accident. For example, I don't do roofing or any high ladder work. I won't work a regular schedule with highly predictable out of the house and back to the house times. I used to swap vehicles on an irregular basis, but now am stuck with just one.

We had a crew from the NW head out to the Bundy thing and it was nearly a disaster for them. Why? Deferred maintenance on vehicles caught up with them hundreds of miles from home, and everyone in the support network was too cheap or too broke to do a rescue operation. They almost had to face the choice of abandoning the vehicle, cache gear and weapons and exfiltrating through California vs looking really stupid and asking for local handouts. All of those who most smoothly went in, did that deployment for a while and smoothly exited are on a government pension. I don't have that.

Sorry, bills gotta be paid, vehicle maintenance does not get done with a gun to anyone's head. Gas costs money, food, beans bullets, bandaids. Only the far left has their game together of setting up homeless camps for their activists, and thats a bullshit stunt in my book even for them. When you are talking about conservatives with assets, its appropriate to see that the army gets compensated. If it is not worth it to the guy with ten rental houses to take an equity loan out and get a crew set up the right way for a deployment, why is it supposed to be worth it to me to sink ten grand into weapons armor, gear and travel expenses to go on a show of force saving one of those houses from a crooked foreclosure action?

None of us has had to deal with some guy with a lamed leg who got shot while on an op that we can't file disability for. That's not without precedent either. Those oh so revered Founding Fathers were pretty ruthless with Daniel Shays when after several battles in the revolutionary war, he got shot and disabled, then leaving military service injured, not only was there no system of pension for disability due to battle wounds, they did not even pay him the soldier's wage right, but gave him scrip which he could only cash in with banksters at 10% value. Lafayette had kind of honored/pitied him and presented him with a fancy sword as a gift. He eventually sold it to pay debts and went on to fight in his losing rebellion. Trying to run a farm all on his own manual labor, while nursing injuries suffered while fighting for the benefit of those who just wanted to make sure he paid taxes and interest to them, not the King.

We do need to be looking at compensation for our volunteers, from recruitment to retirement. It is entirely valid.

I'll say this, front and center, a bunch of armed white militia guys rolling up there are as likely to be treated with extreme suspicion if not betrayal from those very same hood rats who regularly betray public defenders and each other. You show me individuals on a case by case basis worthy of it, and there are plenty out there, then that's one thing. but those people are also not looting and burning.


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Oh, and homie who got shot is in surveilliance footage thugging someone at a convenience store a day prior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M13HOAnuSGY


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Oh, and homie who got shot is in surveilliance footage thugging someone at a convenience store a day prior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M13HOAnuSGY
I just watched the footage on the news and it was stated that it was the same day he was shot.

Of course the protesters are not happy and they are accusing the cops of releasing the video just to divert attention from the shooting.


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Of course the protesters are not happy and they are accusing the cops of releasing the video just to divert attention from the shooting.
For good reason. Every time the police shoots somebody, the police are pretty quick to say the person was a suspect of something, whether it's true or not. And since the police also say the officer involved in the shooting didn't know about the convenience store incident, it's irrelevant anyway.

Whether he committed the petit larceny or not, the fact remains he was unarmed when the police shot him. That doesn't necessarily men the officer didn't have a good reason to shoot him, but it sure raises questions. And it's pretty darn convenient that there is no video footage of the shooting.

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I see enough bad on both sides that I don't see justification in putting our people at risk taking sides in that conflict.

Security operations at non combatant locations where welcome on prearranged agreements. Room, board, fuel and supply (including ammunition) expenses to be covered by the locals. If they cant come up with food, gas and ammo to have their homes and businesses protected from looting, thuggery and "accidental" fires caused by tear gas cannisters and pyrotechnics, then its not worth the blood of our men.

I am not buying that junk ethic that it is only "giving" if we do every relief effort at our own expense after leaving our own homes, sources of income and support networks to go on the rescue for someone elses problem.

A dirty cop played dirty with a dirty thug and a bunch of other thugs started tearing shit up so a bunch of the thugs with badges brought their buddies in to play really tough.

What's next? We need to take sides from among the crips and bloods? Hells Angels and Gypsy Jokers?

This is one of those stop punching the tar baby issues and we need to be careful not to advocate our kinds of people expending themselves into these things.

I am pretty sympathetic to the journalists and could see adding armed escorts to the crews, but then they are all adults, they know how the game plays, there are plenty of out of work steely eyed killers who would sort out during the job interviews with questions like "if a cop is beating a journalist, would you shoot the cop?"

You are helping to set up cameras and lighting, you notice incoming gunfire from what appears to be a government vehicle. Would you return fire?

Those are questions for media security people. In Iraq, they had varying rules of engagement since it was often not entirely clear which side a particular group of men dressed as Iraqi police might be on.


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I see enough bad on both sides that I don't see justification in putting our people at risk taking sides in that conflict.
Breacher, that's pretty close to how the Missouri Militia sees the events in Ferguson. Plus some of the Intel indicated that the New Black Panther Party had boots on the ground, stirring the turmoil.

The video release does pretty well debunk, that contrary to the parents early claims he was a 'Gentle Giant' he was indeed prone to violence. So when the officer fired (repeatedly) did the teen have his hands up or clenched in a fist to attempt some 'smash'? I know from my Missouri CCW training, once a person shoots, that either the threat is stopped (they go to the ground) or you are to keep shooting till the bad guy does quit being a threat. Of course standing over someone, delivering a final shot can't be considered defensive, IMO.

While initial LE response was inappropriate, one good thing to come of this was the liberal side seeing just what a militarized LE can look like. I'll be surprised if the Justice (?) Dept. doesn't bring suit against the deputies that arrested then let go the journalists in McDonalds. Elections are to close for them not to do so.

On the west side of MO most departments have video/audio equipment on the officers and in the cars. I know this case would have been better served by them having that equipment. I worked for one of the 'early' companies in LE video/audio, so I know the technology was available, not sure why Ferguson did not have it.

The Ferguson police chief needs to defer any future 'press releases' to the county or state. He is not a good choice to address the press, plus he seems very close to a nervous breakdown...

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It looks like the folks in Ferguson have boldly managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. frown

In any event, you're all right. We have to choose our battles carefully, picking not only the ones we can win, but the ones that make us look good as well. Remember Al Sharpton and the Tanawa Brawley fiasco? Sharpton won the battle - but the battle wasn't worth winning. That may or may not turn out to be the case here.

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The governor of Missouri has declar...is imposing a midnight-to-5 a.m. curfew.

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Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declared a state of emergency and imposed a curfew Saturday in the St. Louis suburb where a black teenager was shot to death by a white police officer a week ago.

Nixon said that though many protesters were making themselves heard peacefully, the state would not allow a handful of looters to endanger the community. The curfew will run from midnight to 5 a.m.

Tensions in Ferguson flared late Friday after police released the name of the officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown and documents alleging Brown robbed a store before he died.

Nixon also said the U.S. Department of Justice is beefing up its investigation of the shooting.

Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is in charge of security in Ferguson, said there were 40 FBI agents going door-to-door talking to people who might have seen or have information about the shooting.

Nixon and Johnson spoke at a church in Ferguson, where they were interrupted repeatedly by people demanding justice and objecting to the curfew.

Johnson assured those in attendance that police would communicate with protesters and give them ample opportunity to observe the curfew....
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I've read a couple of articles saying the LEO's don't need to be armed like a small military force. I seem to remember the same progressives saying the law needed more and larger weaponry to combat the patriots.


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NBPP will be protesting tonight have placed bounty on the shooting officers head. stay tuned for more of the continuing episode of " Fun in Ferguson"


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