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Developing Eastern European Crises #176971
11/12/2021 01:31 PM
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“Poland has doubled the number of troops to 6,000 on its Belarus border, amid an ongoing standoff with stranded migrants”
https://euobserver.com/migration/153277

“Thousands of people are stranded at the border between Poland and Belarus ... have been gathering on the Belarusian side of the Kuznica border crossing. Authorities closed the crossing on Tuesday, with aerial footage showing large crowds congregating in the area ... One Syrian asylum-seeker, who recently arrived in Poland after his third attempt at crossing the border from Belarus ... that on arriving at the border, guards caught him and three others in his group. He was beaten up ... Polish authorities said seven migrants have been found dead on Poland’s side of the border ... Since the beginning of November, there have been 4,500 recorded border crossing attempts ... recorded around 1,000 crossing attempts in the last two days ... A Polish border guard representative told CNN earlier this week that some of the migrants had been pushed toward the barriers by Belarusian services ... Journalists and aid workers have been blocked from traveling to the area by an exclusion zone ... Polish President Andrzej Duda visited the border ... a speech ... ‘ we are and we will be part of a Europe based on Christian values, which are also the foundations of our tradition and culture’ ... ‘ The time has come when you need to defend your homeland’ ... ‘ It must be done with dedication, with sleepless nights, in coldness, in hardship, in a very ungrateful situation to which we were forced by the hybrid actions of the Belarusian regime against Poland and against the European Union’ ... leading Poland to adopt a bill in October for the construction of a wall along its border with Belarus ... Russia underlined their support for the Lukashenko regime by performing two joint military exercises over Belarusian airspace this week ... The two nations then held joint paratrooper drills near the Polish border on Friday ... Ukraine is also scaling up security around border with Belarus. On Thursday, it announced it would hold military drills ... allegations from the United States on Russia’s military buildup ... The United States and the European Union have announced new sanctions against Belarus this week ... On Thursday, Germany’s acting Foreign Minister Heiko Maas told German parliament that the EU had decided to ‘expand and tighten its sanctions against Lukashenko’s regime’”
https://keyt.com/cnn-europe-mideast...us-border-heres-what-you-need-to-know-2/

“The UK has deployed ‘a small team’ of armed forces to Poland amid the ongoing border crisis with Belarus ... Russia announced on Friday it had sent paratroopers to Belarus in a show of support for its ally after Poland sent thousands of soldiers to reinforce its border ... said its troops will parachute from Il-76 transport planes into Belarus’s Grodno region, which borders Poland and the two armies will carry out combined military drills“
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-11-12...-amid-tensions-with-poland-over-migrants

An older, related thread:
http://www.awrm.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=176935#Post176935

For those unfamiliar, very briefly, the principle parties are located in Eastern Europe. Poland is a member of the NATO alliance and is a puppet of Washington, and Belarus is a member of the CIS alliance and is a puppet of Moscow.


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“Putin has a message for the U.S. and its allies: Moscow won’t tolerate creeping expansion by their armed forces into Ukraine ... In Moscow, senior officials and others close to the leadership say the Kremlin aims to make clear that any further western steps to provide weapons or expand military facilities in Ukraine would cross Russia’s red line ... The moves reflect a deep conviction in Moscow that the declining power of a U.S. riven by domestic division and the imminent exit of Merkel, once Europe’s dominant voice, limits the potential for a coordinated western pushback, according to the people close to the Russian leadership ... For Putin, the prospect of North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces on Ukrainian soil is a nightmare scenario that he’ll do anything to stop, a person close to the Russian leadership said”
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/putin-masses-troops-to-tell-nato-to-stay-out-of-ukraine

“U.S. officials, increasingly alarmed by Russia’s monthslong troop build-up near Ukraine, are warning their European counterparts that the Kremlin may be on the verge of another invasion of that country. One senior U.S. national security official even suggested Russian leader Vladimir Putin may also be trying to establish some military capabilities along his western borders in case he sees a need to intervene in Belarus, whose Kremlin-aligned ruler is feuding with European neighbors ... Russian units newly arrived along the border have taken to repositioning themselves under the cover of night, a change from previous troop buildups when Moscow made big, public displays of moving armor and troops on railways and highways during the day”
https://news.yahoo.com/u-huddles-allies-over-possible-184250489.html

“The Kremlin on Friday rebuffed allegations that a buildup of its troops near Ukraine reflects Moscow’s aggressive intentions, saying Russia needs to ensure its security in response to alleged NATO threats. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed Western media reports that Moscow has intentions to invade Ukraine as a ‘hollow and unfounded attempt to incite tensions.’ ‘Russia doesn’t threaten anyone,’ Peskov said during a conference call with reporters. ‘The movement of troops on our territory shouldn’t be a cause for anyone’s concern.’”
https://www.cbs17.com/news/kremlin-denies-plans-to-invade-ukraine-alleges-nato-threats/


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This use of “migrants” to destabilize and overwhelm nations is sickening.


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Immediately chain the invading illegal alien Hajjis together and ship them back in the 18 wheeler van trailers or in cattle cars but be nice and give them some water. We need to do the same with the illegal aliens here.


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11/14/2021 01:59 PM
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“Poland is braced for a major assault by migrants on its frontier with Belarus tonight after receiving intelligence of a huge build up of enemy troops. Polish Border Force guards claim their Belarusian counterparts are issuing the thousands of stranded migrants with instructions, equipment and weapons to force their way into the EU. The attack is believed to be planned for frontier at Kuznica, one of two main crossing points from Poland to Belarus ... ‘we are currently observing that more groups of armed officers of Belarusian services are located in the place.’ ‘We are noticing a commotion among migrants. There is also a TV broadcast van.' He added: 'Some tents are starting to disappear. Migrants get instructions, equipment and gas from Belarusian services’ ... two mass migrant incursions into Poland last night in which some 77 people were detained and deported. An estimated 150 others evaded capture and are now seeking sanctuary ... NGO Grupa Granica said in a statement it had received information about attempts by Belarus to force migrants to use violence against Polish officers ... The Polish Prime Minister today called on NATO to take 'concrete steps' to resolve the migrant crisis on the Belarus border, adding that Poland, Lithuania and Latvia may ask for consultations under Article 4 of the alliance's treaty. Under Article 4, any ally can request consultations whenever they feel their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened ... Yesterday Warsaw revealed how Belarus was arming migrants with tear gas and knocking down border posts to push the asylum seekers over the border to Poland ... A task force of up to 600 UK troops is on standby to deploy in Ukraine amid fears that Russian troops massing near the border are planning an invasion ... 'Between 400 and 600 troops are ready. Their equipment is packed and they are ready to fly to Ukraine and either land or parachute in. They have trained for both eventualities.'”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...U.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

“The outgoing head of the UK’s armed forces has said the military will have to be ready for war with Russia after recent tensions in Eastern Europe.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-war-with-russia-says-armed-forces-chief

Belarus-Poland Videos:
“A Belarusian military convoy heading towards the border with the EU”
https://twitter.com/alshenko/status/1458742785335508992?s=21

“Armed military convoy escorting Iraqi and Afghan migrants in Belarus as they await transport to the Polish border.”
https://twitter.com/justice_forum/status/1458494602189680649?s=21

“Migrants from the Middle East are trying to violently force their way into Poland at the border with Belarus.”
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1457801267967791115?s=21

“Hundreds of people, largely from the Middle East, camped at the Belarus-Poland border”
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1458136064602738688?s=21

“Sunday morning at the Poland-Belarus border near Kuznica.”
https://twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/status/1459838359627575301?s=21

“last night’s tensions at the border with #Belarus”
https://twitter.com/l_team10/status/1459842736257916936?s=21

“Armed Belarusian border guards push women and children through the Polish border fence.”
https://twitter.com/voicesbelarus/status/1457442392701800454?s=21

“Children are caught in the middle of the migrant row between Belarus and Poland.”
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1459155903433818115?s=21

“Asylum seekers managed to tear down a part of the border fence. Polish Military Police is hindering them from moving towards #Poland”
https://twitter.com/dunyacollective/status/1457698173879738371?s=21

“Border forces arrive as migrants attempt to cross from Belarus at night”
https://twitter.com/xc4u2/status/1459703721152049153?s=21

Russia-Ukraine Videos:
“#Ukraine #Russia Boarders”
https://twitter.com/cop_american/status/1454607961888894980?s=21

“Video of #Russia-n tanks transported to #Ukraine border in city of Voronezh on Thursday”
https://twitter.com/joyce_karam/status/1459140885308923908?s=21

“Visual of military equipments movement in Krasnodar krai region #Russia which is very close to #Ukraine”
https://twitter.com/kaala_nag/status/1459941975277420548?s=21

“Russian tanks heading towards Ukrainian border”
https://twitter.com/kaala_nag/status/1458689448443617284?s=21

“Hundreds of Russian tanks are now parked on the Ukrainian border”
https://twitter.com/terror_alarm/status/1459052788898488321?s=21


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Re: Developing Eastern European Crises [Re: Navarro] #177007
11/17/2021 11:11 AM
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More Belarus-Poland Videos:

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1460962842073604100?s=21

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1460969101254402051?s=21

https://twitter.com/hallonsa/status/1460936742622703618?s=21

Those “migrants” are certainly aggressive. What we observe looks a great deal more like an assault than migration. One can understand why the people and government of Poland would be strongly opposed to allowing refugees into their land who have attacked the Polish border, and therefore Poland itself. Any reasonable person can see that these are in fact not migrants, but combatants. As they’re attacking Poland, it would be very fair for Poland to retaliate in kind. Germany once invaded Poland after Poles allegedly conducted a small cross-border raid against Germany. The ongoing assault against the Polish border by enemy combatants acting as proxies of Belarus is clear. If Poland were to go onto the offensive and enter Belarusian territory to neutralize the threat there, I would find this entirely justified.

Meanwhile:
“Belarus’ oil pipeline operator has temporarily restricted oil flows to Poland for unscheduled maintenance, Warsaw said Wednesday”
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021...plies-for-unscheduled-maintenance-a75594

Yet another Belarusian attack against Poland. Poland would be justified in retaliation in this instance as well. Of course, the specter of world war looms for any NATO member directly attacking a CIS member.


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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Originally Posted by ConSigCor
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“A Norwegian undersea surveillance network that is capable of detecting submarines has had its cables mysteriously cut ... The cables were cut and then disappeared, with the Institute of Marine Research describing 'extensive damage‘ ... has been offline since the outage in April ... was likely they were cut deliberately. The damage could not have been an accident.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ble-detecting-submarines-cables-cut.html

That is certainly Moscow’s M.O and it is in favor of Russia’s interests to blind its competitors to its activity in the Baltic. This isn’t a new development, but it is still relevant as well as interesting.


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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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U.S. State Dept says 'all options' on the table over Russian troop build-up near Ukraine

by Reuters
Friday, 26 November 2021 16:38 GMT

WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - All options are on the table in how to respond to Russia's 'large and unusual' troop build-up near Ukraine's border, and the NATO alliance will decide what the next move will be following consultations next week, the top U.S. diplomat for European affairs said on Friday.

"As you can appreciate, all options are on the table and there's a toolkit that includes a whole range of options," Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Karen Donfried told reporters in a telephone briefing.

"It's now for the alliance to decide what are the next moves that NATO wants to take," she said, speaking ahead of a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to Latvia and Sweden next week to attend NATO and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) meetings, where she said Moscow's "large and unusual" troop build up would be topping the agenda.

U.S., NATO and Ukrainian officials have raised the alarm in recent weeks over what they say are unusual Russian troop movements closer to Ukraine, suggesting that Moscow may be poised to launch a attack on its neighbor, accusations Russia has rejected as fear-mongering.

Asked if Blinken was going to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov while in Stockholm, Donfried said she had no announcements to make on such a bilateral but added: "Stay tuned." (Reporting by Humeyra Pamuk and Simon Lewis; Editing by Mark Porter and Alistair Bell)



U.S. delivers 80 tonnes of ammunition to Ukraine


Ukraine has received the fourth batch of defense aid from the United States, which included nearly 80 tonnes of munitions.
That’s according to the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Ukrinform reports referring to a Facebook post by the embassy’s press service on Sunday, November 14.

“Ukraine received today the delivery of approximately 80,000 kilos of ammunition from the United States. It was the fourth shipment made by the United States as part of $60 million in additional security assistance directed to Ukraine by President Biden in August,” the statement said.

The embassy added that this demonstrates U.S. “commitment to the success of a stable, democratic, and free Ukraine.”

The diplomats also recalled that since 2014, the United States had provided more than $2.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014.

As Ukrinform reported earlier, a third, consignment of security assistance from the United States government arrived in Ukraine on October 22.
The two previous consignments were delivered on October 10 and 18. In addition to the previously agreed $250 million, Ukraine receives from American partners $60 million in medical supplies, ammunition, high-precision weapons, and radar surveillance.


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Russian Armor Floods Toward Border With Ukraine Amid Fears Of An "Imminent Crisis"
A flurry of alarming reports and social media posts indicate that Russia is pouring military hardware into Crimea and its border with Eastern Ukraine.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ukraine-amid-fears-of-an-imminent-crisis


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"U.S. intelligence has found the Kremlin is planning a multi-front offensive as soon as early next year involving up to 175,000 troops ... The Kremlin has been moving troops toward the border with Ukraine while demanding Washington guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO ... 'The Russian plans call for a military offensive against Ukraine as soon as early 2022 with a scale of forces twice what we saw this past spring during Russia’s snap exercise near Ukraine’s borders,' said an administration official ... 'The plans involve extensive movement of 100 battalion tactical groups with an estimated 175,000 personnel, along with armor, artillery and equipment' ... Russian forces massing in four locations. Currently, 50 battlefield tactical groups are deployed, along with 'newly arrived' tanks and artillery ... Secretary of State Antony Blinken ... warned there would be severe consequences, including high-impact economic measures, if Russia invaded ... Biden said he is preparing measures to raise the cost of any new invasion for Putin, who has dismissed the U.S. warnings ... The Russian military moves come as Moscow has raised eyebrows in Washington with a sudden mobilization of reservists this year and a dramatic escalation of its rhetoric regarding Ukraine ... Lavrov, in public comments this week, echoed Putin’s warnings about U.S. military equipment and activity encroaching on Russia’s borders and said, 'The nightmare scenario of military confrontation is returning' ... Blinken cautioned the Ukrainians not to give Russia a pretext for military action. 'We’re also urging Ukraine to continue to exercise restraint because, again, the Russian playbook is to claim provocation for something that they were planning to do all along,' he said ... Putin has demanded the United States and its allies provide signed assurances ... Putin has suggested for months that U.S. and allied military activities in Ukraine and near Russia’s borders are crossing a red line for the Kremlin ... Russia needs 'precise legal, judicial guarantees because our Western colleagues have failed to deliver on verbal commitments they made,' Putin said in a speech at the Kremlin this week ... Putin has long railed against NATO expansion into former Warsaw Pact states as a disrespectful encroachment on Moscow. He said a concrete agreement must 'rule out any further eastward expansion of NATO and the deployment of weapons systems posing a threat to us in close proximity to Russia’s territory.' White House press secretary Jen Psaki rejected out of hand the idea that Washington would provide a guarantee that Ukraine will not enter NATO ... In comments this week, Putin said drills with U.S. nuclear-capable strategic bombers flying over the Black Sea posed a threat to Moscow, along with U.S. missile defense systems in Poland and Romania. He also expressed concern about NATO deploying missiles on Ukrainian territory that could have a flight time of seven to 10 minutes to Moscow"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

"Biden dismisses Russia’s ‘red lines’ ... US President Joe Biden has vowed to hold lengthy talks with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, on the issue of Ukraine, but insists he will accept no warnings about 'red lines' from Moscow ... 'I don’t accept anybody’s red lines,' the president added ... On Thursday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry again claimed NATO had given assurances it would not move 'an inch' further east at the end of the Cold War. Despite that pledge, it has continued to expand, encompassing new member states ever closer to Russia’s borders, with Ukraine repeatedly having expressed an interest in joining the bloc in recent years. The ministry stressed that 'the only option for resolving the current situation' would be for NATO to rule out any further such expansion and to stop its ongoing military build-up on Moscow’s doorstep."
https://www.rt.com/russia/542180-biden-red-lines-putin/

"Pentagon spokesman John Kirby ... 'We don't envision any US military intervention in this conflict' ... Currently there's talk of an urgent Biden-Putin virtual summit in the works, in order to address the crisis, and where it's expected Putin will press the White House on gaining guarantees of no further eastward NATO expansion."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ine-offensive-us-intelligence-now-claims

"The expansion of NATO further eastwards is a red line for Moscow, and Ukraine’s possible accession to the US-led bloc is simply unacceptable, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Thursday. In a statement, spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned of 'serious negative consequences' if the situation on the border between Russia and Ukraine deteriorates ... According to Zakharova, the US is dragging Kiev into the military orbit of the alliance and turning it into a 'bridgehead' of confrontation with Russia. This could destabilize Europe, she said ... Zakharova believes the alliance is focused on 'fighting imaginary threats.' 'One of the pivotal topics – not for the first time – was Russia and its possible aggression against Ukraine,' she said. 'However, if we look at things realistically, it is NATO that has approached us.'"
https://www.rt.com/russia/542080-assurances-nato-expand-east/

Translation: "the Duma admits that Russia can help Donbass in the event of an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... The power scenario of Kiev in Donbass may force Russia to actively intervene, it is possible that Moscow will eventually recognize the independence of the LPR and DPR, according to representatives of the three largest factions of the State Duma and two specialized committees ... 'We will help the residents of Donbass as much as possible in case of active aggression' ... Russia intends to fulfill the Minsk agreements and remains their guarantor, but Kiev does not want to fulfill them. As a result, it is very difficult to predict how the situation around the two unrecognized republics will develop. If it comes to military aggression, Moscow will not be able to stand aside ... the leader of the LDPR faction in the State Duma, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, has repeatedly argued that Moscow should recognize the LPR and DPR, moreover, in his opinion, Russia should include them in its composition, since these territories were previously part of the USSR and the Russian Empire"
https://rusvesna.su/news/1638512309

"Russian missiles have been deployed near the Japan-claimed Kuril Islands chain as tensions between Russia and other nations escalate, the Associated Press reported. In a video released Thursday, Bastion coastal defense missile systems could be seen being relocated to Matua, a deserted volcanic island in the Pacific chain's middle. The Bastion can hit targets at sea at a range of up to 500 kilometers. The missile systems were not the only thing deployed to the islands; living quarters for military personnel and vehicle hangars were also transported."
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-dep...sland-middle-chain-claimed-japan-1655535


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This (and Taiwan) are such scary international disasters waiting to happen. Unfortunately we have exactly the wrong people in charge at exactly the wrong time. They (Russians and Chi-Comms) smell weakness and know that this is the time to strike.


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Translation: "Russian President Vladimir Putin called what is happening in the Donbass genocide ... 'Russophobia is the first step towards genocide. We know what is happening in Donbass ... it is very reminiscent of genocide'"
https://m.lenta.ru/news/2021/12/09/genotsid/

Translation: "The Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Armed Forces, Valery Gerasimov, harshly warned Ukraine about the consequences of the aggression in Donbass ... stated that the situation in Donbass was escalating, and warned the Ukrainian authorities that any provocation with an attempt to resolve the ongoing conflict by force would be suppressed"
https://rusonline.org/donbass/glava-genshtaba-vs-rf-sdelal-vazhnoe-zayavlenie-po-donbassu

"A senior Russian diplomat warned the United States and its NATO allies Friday that their own security would suffer if they 'torpedo' providing Russia with certain military guarantees. Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged the West to provide guarantees that would preclude NATO from expanding to Ukraine or deploying troops and weapons there. Putin brought it up during a video call with U.S. President Joe Biden this week. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said during a news conference Friday that while it would be “naïve” to expect to get those security guarantees soon, Moscow remains committed to seeing them made. 'If our opponents on the other side — first and foremost the U.S., but also other countries, allies, the so-called allies of the U.S. — refuse, try to torpedo the whole thing, they will inevitably encounter a further worsening of their own security situation,' Ryabkov said."
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-presses-west-guarantees-amid-164243638-000840648.html

"NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday rejected Russian demands to rescind a 2008 commitment to Ukraine that the country would one day become a member of the Western military alliance."
https://news.trust.org/item/20211210192039-sgjcm

"The Biden administration prepared a $200 million package of additional military assistance for Ukraine in recent weeks but chose to hold off on delivering the aid despite appeals from Kyiv and some lawmakers, according to three people familiar with the issue. A source familiar with the matter, however, said there are a number of other options on the table for further assistance to Ukraine, including a much larger package of aid that would be approved in the event of further incursion by Russia."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-to-kyiv-amid-diplomatic-push/ar-AARHta1

"Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, but a final delivery containing four counter mortar radars is still scheduled for early next year ... This year, the US has delivered approximately $450 million in security assistance to Ukraine ... Since 2014 ... the US has provided more than $2.5 billion in aid to Ukraine ... The US military also helps to train Ukrainian forces. In November, about 150 members of the Florida National Guard's Task Force Gator deployed to Ukraine as part of the Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine, replacing the Washington National Guard ... In addition to Task Force Gator, Special Operations Command Europe has a "large role" in training and advising Ukrainian special forces"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ps-to-train-countrys-military/ar-AARCuvy


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“The West must send a strong message to Russia to deter it from invading Ukraine, including cutting Russia off from the SWIFT payment system ... if Russia does invade Ukraine, the West should prepare a very strong economic sanctions package, including cutting Russia off from the SWIFT international payment system”
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...tion-nord-stream-latvia-says-2021-12-07/

“Kremlin reveals new independent Russian-Chinese financial systems ... Russia and China will develop shared financial structures to enable them to deepen economic ties in a way that foreign states will be unable to influence, the Kremlin has announced following talks between the countries’ leaders. The move appears to be a response to a series of warnings that Western nations could push to disconnect Russia from the Brussels-based SWIFT financial system as a form of sanctions. The payment platform underpins the vast majority of international transactions.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/543258-moscow-china-create-independent-structure/

Interesting.


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Originally Posted by Navarro
"Putin has suggested for months that U.S. and allied military activities in Ukraine and near Russia’s borders are crossing a red line for the Kremlin ... Russia needs 'precise legal, judicial guarantees because our Western colleagues have failed to deliver on verbal commitments they made,' Putin said in a speech at the Kremlin this week ... Putin has long railed against NATO expansion into former Warsaw Pact states as a disrespectful encroachment on Moscow. He said a concrete agreement must 'rule out any further eastward expansion of NATO and the deployment of weapons systems posing a threat to us in close proximity to Russia’s territory.' White House press secretary Jen Psaki rejected out of hand the idea that Washington would provide a guarantee that Ukraine will not enter NATO ... In comments this week, Putin said drills with U.S. nuclear-capable strategic bombers flying over the Black Sea posed a threat to Moscow, along with U.S. missile defense systems in Poland and Romania. He also expressed concern about NATO deploying missiles on Ukrainian territory that could have a flight time of seven to 10 minutes to Moscow"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

"Biden dismisses Russia’s ‘red lines’ ... US President Joe Biden has vowed to hold lengthy talks with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, on the issue of Ukraine, but insists he will accept no warnings about 'red lines' from Moscow ... 'I don’t accept anybody’s red lines,' the president added ... On Thursday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry again claimed NATO had given assurances it would not move 'an inch' further east at the end of the Cold War. Despite that pledge, it has continued to expand, encompassing new member states ever closer to Russia’s borders, with Ukraine repeatedly having expressed an interest in joining the bloc in recent years. The ministry stressed that 'the only option for resolving the current situation' would be for NATO to rule out any further such expansion and to stop its ongoing military build-up on Moscow’s doorstep."
https://www.rt.com/russia/542180-biden-red-lines-putin/

"Pentagon spokesman John Kirby ... 'We don't envision any US military intervention in this conflict' ... Currently there's talk of an urgent Biden-Putin virtual summit in the works, in order to address the crisis, and where it's expected Putin will press the White House on gaining guarantees of no further eastward NATO expansion."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ine-offensive-us-intelligence-now-claims

"The expansion of NATO further eastwards is a red line for Moscow, and Ukraine’s possible accession to the US-led bloc is simply unacceptable, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Thursday. In a statement, spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned of 'serious negative consequences' if the situation on the border between Russia and Ukraine deteriorates ... According to Zakharova, the US is dragging Kiev into the military orbit of the alliance and turning it into a 'bridgehead' of confrontation with Russia. This could destabilize Europe, she said ... Zakharova believes the alliance is focused on 'fighting imaginary threats.' 'One of the pivotal topics – not for the first time – was Russia and its possible aggression against Ukraine,' she said. 'However, if we look at things realistically, it is NATO that has approached us.'"
https://www.rt.com/russia/542080-assurances-nato-expand-east/

"A senior Russian diplomat warned the United States and its NATO allies Friday that their own security would suffer if they 'torpedo' providing Russia with certain military guarantees. Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged the West to provide guarantees that would preclude NATO from expanding to Ukraine or deploying troops and weapons there. Putin brought it up during a video call with U.S. President Joe Biden this week. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said during a news conference Friday that while it would be ‘naïve’ to expect to get those security guarantees soon, Moscow remains committed to seeing them made. 'If our opponents on the other side — first and foremost the U.S., but also other countries, allies, the so-called allies of the U.S. — refuse, try to torpedo the whole thing, they will inevitably encounter a further worsening of their own security situation,' Ryabkov said."
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-presses-west-guarantees-amid-164243638-000840648.html

"NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday rejected Russian demands to rescind a 2008 commitment to Ukraine that the country would one day become a member of the Western military alliance."
https://news.trust.org/item/20211210192039-sgjcm

“Russia has demanded that Nato, America and Britain withdraw all military bases and troops from central and eastern European countries, including those within the EU. The Russian foreign ministry published Moscow’s demands to Nato, the US and allies on ‘security guarantees’ in return for withdrawing a massive troop build-up on Ukraine’s border. Russia’s demand in the form of two draft legal treaties is highly unusual in international diplomacy and is regarded as an ultimatum that threatens the existence of the western alliance and the EU. The draft treaties call on Nato and Washington to halt any enlargement of the alliance eastwards and ‘not to deploy weapons and forces’ where it ‘would be perceived by the other side as a threat to national security’ ... Demands include an incendiary call for all troop deployments in eastern Europe to be rolled back to the levels before 1997, effectively removing Nato protection from all countries that have since joined. ‘Nato and the US must not station any additional military personnel or weapons outside the countries where they were stationed as of May 1997 (prior to the accession to the alliance of Eastern European countries) except in exceptional cases with the consent of Russia,’ said the demands ... Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic joined Nato in 1999, followed in 2004 by Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania ... Sergei Ryabkov, Russia’s deputy minister, warned that relations with Nato and the West were at a ‘dangerous point’ and called for crisis talks with the US tomorrow in Geneva on the demands ... Other demands include a US commitment ‘not to establish military bases in former Soviet countries’ or ‘to develop military co-operation’ with countries that include the EU members Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Russia is additionally demanding a ban on the deployment of Nato, US and Russian warships and aircraft to ‘areas where they can strike targets on the territory of the other party.’”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...all-troops-from-eastern-europe-tdklrrvdg
https://archive.ph/2021.12.17-173828/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-demands-nato-remove-all-troops-from-eastern-europe-tdklrrvdg

Clearly Moscow doesn’t expect NATO to agree to any of these demands. The Russian may be establishing Casus Belli, or may be in pursuit of some lesser goal.


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They've been demanding NATO go away ever since NATO was founded. You would think, after seventy or so years, they would find a new script writer.

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With Neville (Chamberlain) Biden in the White House, and his tract record for standing firm, backing allies and refusing to allow tyrants to have their will… if i lived in any of these nations I would be strongly considering my alternatives.

These former Soviet satellite nations have a right to do what THEY want to protect their own interests. Moscow has ever agreed to this concept… be it the Tsars, Soviets or the oligarchs of the Putin regime. To them… this is RUSSIAN lands that THEY allow these people to live on. If they are lucky they will get to die serving as a buffer zone protecting “mother Russia”.


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it would not be a good thing for Russia to invade Ukraine. My problem is, I don't see any reason for us to get involved, other than selling arms to Ukraine. Ukraine means nothing to us, either militarily or economically, and I see no reason to put American military men's lives at risk in another war for no reason. If Ukraine wants to stay free, let them fight for their freedom. I'm perfectly happy standing on the sidelines and watching this one.

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I can appreciate this line of thought, but after the fall of the evil empire, the Ukrainians inherited 1/3rd of the extensive soviet nuclear Arsenal. The US, UK and Russians came to an agreement (Budapest Accord) to de-nuclearize the Ukrainians. The only reason the Ukrainians agreed to destroy their greatest defensive deterrent was that the Russians agreed to forever respect their boundaries (oops… their fingers must have been crossed on that… sorry Crimea and Donnboss basin), and that the western allies would come to their defense if the above was threatened.

Had they known BOTH of those pledges were idle hypothetical talk… they would have kept their nukes in 1994 and been better able to prevent the intimidation and invasions they’ve seen.

With out track record of making idle promises of having nations backs in the future in exchange for current actions… it will become all the more difficult to get nations to side with us, make agreements with much less agree to major disarmament agreements. The world (including us) becomes all the more dangerous.

South Vietnam 1975
Afghanistan 2021
Ukrainian 2014 and 2022

Not a good list there.


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Originally Posted by airforce
They've been demanding NATO go away ever since NATO was founded. You would think, after seventy or so years, they would find a new script writer.

One would be wise to note that the Russian Federation has not issued such ultimatums since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and therefore something has changed. One would also be wise to recall that Russia has a clear historic pattern of expansion and contraction, conquering and annexing Eastern Europe followed by losing those territories later. Given that established pattern, it’s likely Russia will someday repeat it, unless a novel variable interferes with that process. If NATO is that variable, that would explain why Moscow is posturing against a non-NATO Eastern European nation seeking NATO ascension, while demanding NATO abandon its present Eastern European members. That is however not to say that NATO is necessarily a sufficient deterrent to prevent Moscow from repeating its historic pattern of expansion. The Russian may perceive solutions to the threat posed by NATO, should Russia repeat its expansionist pattern, and may therefore assess methods of reliably mitigating that threat.

What we see today is an indicator of revanchism, and the execution of thoughtful planning. Beyond that, nothing is certain. It would however be unwise to dismiss Russia’s behavior based solely on normalcy bias.

Originally Posted by airforce
I don't see any reason for us to get involved, other than selling arms to Ukraine. Ukraine means nothing to us, either militarily or economically

What happened in Ukraine in 2014 was a western coup against the democratically elected government in Kiev, though a corrupt puppet of Moscow. The hands of western governments, western corporations and western oligarchs could clearly be seen in this event, and some called it “the most transparent coup in history.” The present government of Kiev is a corrupt puppet of Washington and Brussels, and Moscow’s intervention was/is for the purpose of stripping Ukraine from US/EU’s grasp and once again rendering it a puppet of Moscow. There are no good guys in this conflict, but all parties have interests involved.

The American people have no interests in Ukraine, but that isn’t to say that the American government and certain American corporations and American oligarchs don’t.

Ron Paul on the subject:
https://youtu.be/qPXMNaYSXwM
https://youtu.be/G93SlyJIQSg
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...-cia-fingerprints-all-over-ukraine-coup/


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“Putin will convene the Russian Federation Security Council tomorrow after meeting with Defense Ministry officials”
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1472960242191269890?s=21

“Looks like Russia could be calling up the reserves, another train load of heavy military equipment delivered to Klintsy, Russia not far from the Ukraine and Belarus border”
https://twitter.com/winterc25760081/status/1472781247139119104?s=21

“Russian natural gas flows to the EU have been shut off again”
https://twitter.com/soberlook/status/1472879565823434756?s=21

“European natural gas prices jumped more than 8% on Monday, nearing an all-time high, with Russian deliveries to Germany through the Yamal-Europe pipeline at very low levels ... Flows have diminished, data from German network operator Gascade showed, as Russia's Gazprom GAZP.MM started to fill the second line of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline with gas on Friday“
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gas-prices-surge-in-europe-as-russian-yamal-pipeline-exports-fall

“Russia says US response to security demands needs to be 'urgent'”
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-us-response-security-151621044.html

“Russia may take unspecified new measures to ensure its security if the U.S. and its allies continue to take provocative action and ignore Moscow's demand for guarantees precluding NATO's expansion to Ukraine, a senior diplomat said Saturday. Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov accused Western allies of continuously pushing the envelope in relations with Russia, and warned that Moscow could also up the ante if the West doesn't treat its demands seriously.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...oscow-ante-west-ignores-demands-81830384

“Ukraine – Level 4: Do Not Travel ... The Department of State continues to advise U.S. citizens not to travel to Ukraine due to COVID-19 and to reconsider travel due to increased threats from Russia ... U.S. citizens should be aware of reports that Russia is planning for significant military action against Ukraine. U.S. citizens are also reminded the security conditions, particularly along Ukraine’s borders, in Russia-occupied Crimea, and in Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine, are unpredictable and can deteriorate with little notice.”
https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-level-4-do-not-travel/


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Translation: “Defense Minister Shoigu: American PMCs are preparing a provocation with chemical weapons in Donbass ... ‘Tanks with unidentified chemical components have been delivered to the cities of Avdiivka and Krasny Liman to commit provocations,’ he said at an expanded meeting of the Defense Ministry board with the participation of President Vladimir Putin”
https://ria.ru/20211221/ukraina-1764715058.html

“Vladimir Putin has said he will consider a military response if Russia feels threatened by Nato ... ‘What the United States is doing in Ukraine is at our doorstep,’ he said of Washington’s support for Kyiv. ‘And they should understand that we have nowhere further to retreat to. Under [US] protection, they are arming and urging on extremists from a neighbouring country at Russia. Against Crimea, for instance. Do they think we’ll just watch idly?’ ... Russia has made it clear that an attack is on the table ... ‘If our western counterparts continue a clearly aggressive line, we will undertake proportionate military-technical countermeasures and will respond firmly to unfriendly steps,’ Putin said in televised remarks. ‘I would like to stress that we are fully entitled to do that’ ... Putin railed at Nato’s expansion and accused western powers of supporting terrorists and separatists in Chechnya ... ‘What’s happening now, this tension in Europe, is their fault,’ Putin said. ‘At every step Russia has been forced to respond, the situation has got worse and worse and worse’ … ‘And now we’re in a situation where we must make a decision. We can’t allow the situation I’ve described to develop any further’”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...itary-response-to-aggressive-nato-russia

“When the US intelligence community first picked up signs in the fall that Russia could be preparing a new attack on Ukraine, President Joe Biden directed his administration to act -- and fast ... Biden directed his national security team to use every tool possible to try to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin while a possible invasion was still assessed to be several months away, a senior US official told CNN. ‘What we have been doing is very calculated,’ the official said. ‘But we only have about a four-week window from now’ to pull it off, he added ... former senior NATO official ... ‘The forces he is amassing are exactly the forces you would amass if you were preparing for an all-out land invasion of the country’”
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/19/politics/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-obama-2014/

“Russia has stoked further tensions with its European neighbors when its national hockey team took the ice against Finland sporting Soviet-era jerseys. Finland’s former Prime Minister Alexander Stubb said he was ‘surprised’ and ‘disappointed’ with Russia’s move during the Euro Hockey Tour’s Channel One Cup in Moscow over the weekend, calling the display ‘an offensive gesture’ ... jerseys sporting the letters CCCP, or USSR, across the chest.”
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/21/russias-hockey-team-sports-soviet-uniforms-riling-/

Note that like Ukraine, Finland is also an Eastern European country bordering Russia which is on the path to NATO membership. Should Russia some day conquer Ukraine, Moscow may next seek to adjust its relationship with Finland, having at least indirectly intimidated it, compelling it to distance itself from NATO and to instead gradually realign to Russia, joining Moscow’s sphere of influence.


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I did not like seeng the CCCP jerseys on the ice. It was intended as intimidation. I'm not even remotely supportive of the Euromaidan government in Ukraine. Ukronazis as far as I am concerned. Crimeans speak Russian. They voted to join the Russian Federation by 89%. Painting it as an invasion is farcical as there was no shots fired. I saw much footage during the early part of the civil war where Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainian pregnant women were hung and gutted with baby and guts spilling out. I saw Right Sector and Svoboda (formerly Social Nationalist Party, name changed by the CIA) marching on protestors wearing all black, ski masks, armbands with a swastika-like symbol, armed with clubs beating unarmed people senseless.

Now to be fair, those protestors were fuckin commies, and I have no love for them whatsoever as well.

The footage I saw around, 2014-2016 I think, really stuck in my head. Satellite photos of mass graves with heat signatures of the warm bodies recently burried by Adar and Azov Batallions, which during WW2 were Ukranian Nazi battallions that to this day wear Nazi regalia on their uniforms, swastikas painted on their tanks, etc.

Donetsk and Luhansk, like Crimea, speak Russian. Unfortunately, they're fuckin commies too, so I have no love for them, but, I absolutely understand why they'd want to leave Ukraine and become independent.

Russia is not some pissant 3rd world country. Technological like us, ahead of us in hypersonic missiles which are carrier killers, and we get most of our titanium from Russia and the rest from China and that is integral to producing aircraft, commercial and military. Back when the USSR fell, Daddy Bush promised Russia we would not gobble up former Soviet Republics, but we did and I've lost count of how any times we violated that agreement. They have a legitimate security interest in keeping us from gobbling up Ukraine. No wonder they are pissed! If Canada had Chinese troops on our northern border I'd be pissed too! Oh wait... They do!

For a time there I think Russia was becoming more Free while we were losing our freedoms. Their citizens can now own firearms BTW. But I think k that window of opportunity closed thanks to US troops inside Ukraine, which Trump did as well for some exercises, arming and training them. Squandered opportunity. What we are pulling is only feeding the hardliners there who want a return to the glory days of the old USSR.

No good can come from our involvement in Ukraine. We have no legitimate National Security interest there whatsoever. Plus, my guess is Russia will not invade Ukraine propper. They might send in troops to help Donetsk and Luhansk only. Of course it will be painted as Russia is invading Ukraine which is rediculous cause those countries have been separated for several years now.

I don't know if these stories of chemical weapons and PMC's is true or not. But if it is then I smell a repeat of crap we pulled with Hyat Tahrir Al Sham and the Syrian White Helmets staging chemical false flags with crisis actors and Hollywood style filming.


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Originally Posted by Kelldor42
I did not like seeng the CCCP jerseys on the ice. It was intended as intimidation.

Agreed Kelldor, with all the points of your post.



“The Biden administration plans to hold talks with Moscow early next year and will marshal allies toward a plan for sanctions ... A senior U.S. diplomat said Tuesday that the Biden administration’s plan to address Russia’s escalating military aggression in and around Ukraine centers on new talks it plans to orchestrate with Moscow early next year ... ‘While we pursue diplomacy, we must also pursue deterrence, and we’re working on a coordinated and comprehensive approach’ ... Donfried’s comments represent the first specifics the administration has offered publicly since Russia issued a series of demands last week of NATO – many of which partner countries consider ludicrous”
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...llies-seek-clarity-on-threats-to-ukraine

Moscow made a series of very serious demands and requested an “urgent” response, and Washington is transparently delaying while preparing further escalation, as Moscow anticipated. Russia is therefore likely to now proceed to the next step of its plan.



“A Belarus court on Wednesday handed two-decade prison sentences to a group of anarchists on terrorism and illegal arms charges after a closed-door trial in the authoritarian country. Sergei Romanov and Igor Olinevich were sentenced to 20 years in prison, while Dmitry Rezanovich and Dmitry Dubovsky were handed 19 and 18 years respectively. They were accused of setting fire to law enforcement cars and security service offices in the eastern Gomel province. The four anarchists were arrested in October last year near the Belarus-Ukraine border. They have since been held in a prison run by the KGB security service.”
https://www.macaubusiness.com/belarus-anarchists-given-20-year-jail-terms/

Minsk is displaying a heavy hand in an effort to deter Belorussians who would be otherwise swayed by western propaganda and western handlers to engage in destabilizing action against Lukashenko’s order, or even to directly if unwittingly participate in a western coup against Minsk.


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“A top Russian diplomat has refused to rule out deploying nuclear weapons in Belarus amid continued high tensions with Ukraine and its NATO partners. Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Rudenko told reporters on Tuesday that "all options" would be considered if NATO moved ahead with proposed Ukrainian membership, or deployed additional weaponry in Baltic member states along the Russian border, RIA Novosti reported. Some 100,000 troops backed by armored vehicles and artillery are currently deployed along Ukraine's frontiers with Russia and Belarus ... President Alexander Lukashenko ... told RIA Novosti in November that Minsk would ask Moscow to deploy nuclear weapons in Belarusian territory if NATO did the same in Poland ... Belarusian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei told RT Arabic that Minsk ‘is considering deploying nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus.’ Such a step, he said, ‘is one of the possible responses to future possible actions by the North Atlantic alliance on the territory of Poland’ ... Rudenko said on Tuesday nothing has been ruled out. ‘We have heard such proposals from our Belarusian allies,’ the deputy foreign minister said to questions about possible nuclear deployments in Belarus. ‘All options will be considered, but much, as I said, will depend on the reaction we expect to receive from the United States and NATO’”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...d-nato-standoff-diplomat-says/ar-AAS1uTH

“Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war. He told NATO to back off, adding: ‘Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash’”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-everyone-25759453

“One of Ukraine’s top politicians has alleged that signals coming from Russia indicate that Moscow could be plotting a full-blown nuclear attack against its Eastern European neighbor”
https://www.rt.com/russia/544001-ukraine-afraid-nuclear-attack/

“Putin on the ‘deployment of NATO attack systems’ in eastern Europe: ‘What about we put Russian missiles on the border of U.S in Canada or Mexico?’”
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1473967392325787648?s=21

Video: “RUSSIAN TROOPS EN ROUTE TO UKRAINE. SOME ESTIMATE 265,000 TROOPS NOW AT BORDER”
https://twitter.com/the_real_fly/status/1473847172496080896?s=21

“Russia wants to avoid conflict with Ukraine and the West, President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday, but needs an ‘immediate’ response from the United States and its allies to its demands for security guarantees ... ‘You must give us guarantees, and immediately - now,’ he said ... the United States and NATO have said they will discuss the package with Russia early next year, aware that outright rejection could further inflame the crisis”
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-we-dont-want-conflict-over-ukraine-2021-12-23/

“US not ready to agree to Russia’s security proposals regarding NATO – WH spox Jen Psaki”
https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/1474068918226591745?s=21


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“Russia's foreign ministry has warned against the inclusion of Finland and Sweden in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). ‘It is quite obvious that Finland and Sweden joining NATO’ ... ‘would have serious military and political consequences that would require an adequate response from the Russian side,’ Maria Zakharova, the ministry's spokesperson, said. ‘The policy of not being part of any alliances, traditionally pursued by Stockholm and Helsinki, is viewed by Moscow as an important factor in ensuring stability in northern Europe,’ Zakharova added.”
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-12-...-Sweden-join-NATO-16jnCfg2a3e/index.html

Likely a suggestion intended to be recalled following future events which may serve to intimidate Stockholm and Helsinki, such as an impressive and successful Russian military campaign in Ukraine.

“The editor of controversial Russian nationalist website Sputnik & Pogrom, Yegor Prosvirnin, has reportedly died in the very centre of Moscow after throwing a knife and a gas canister out of a 5th floor window, and then jumping out himself. He was 35.”
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1475482686122872839?s=21

Likely a botched yet successful assassination by a small group of amateurs handled by the IC of a minor western nation which recently increased interest in Russia, and which perceives Russian foreign propaganda to be a significant problem.

“More than 10,000 Russian troops have been returning to their permanent bases after month-long drills near Ukraine”
https://www.reuters.com/markets/eur...es-after-drills-near-ukraine-2021-12-25/

“RUSSIA has warned of a new Cuban missile crisis unless demands over Ukraine meet ‘here and now’ as troops stage fresh war games. It comes amid a new round of major military exercises by Vladimir Putin’s troops amid a standoff between Russia and Western powers over Ukraine ... ‘ deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov ... ‘ I call on everyone considering this topic publicly to think whether it is shameful for Russia to meet Western ultimatum demands halfway.’ And he made clear that ‘if we cannot do it [through diplomacy], then open questions will emerge: what are further steps and what should we do?’ He thundered: ‘We are against escalation, we are against conflicts, we do not draw lines in the sand, just the logic itself leads us to say that we are not ready to make peace with the current situation.’ He added: ‘We can no longer postpone, let's deal with this serious issue’ … ‘here and now’”
https://www.thesun.ie/news/8124075/russia-warns-new-cuban-missile-crisis-demands-ukraine/

“The US military is reportedly working on a scheme to provide Ukraine with battlefield intelligence in a purported bid to respond to perceived Russian offensive ... The list of ideas being drawn up by the US Defense Department, the State Department and the White House ‘include redirecting helicopters and other military equipment once allocated for the Afghan military to Ukraine’ ... The Biden administration is also considering sending ‘additional cyber warfare experts’ to Ukraine ... ‘The information would include images of whether Russian troops were moving to cross the border. Such information, if shared in time, could enable the Ukrainian military to head off an attack’”
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2021/ukraine-211226-presstv01.htm

“The president of Ukraine held a video call with 20 U.S. senators and members of Congress on Friday”
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Ukraine-leader-discusses-Russia-tensions-with-US-16728364.php

“The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine has extended the trade embargo on Russian goods for one year”
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ec...mbargo-on-russian-goods-for-one-year.htm

“Putin said Sunday that if NATO does not provide binding guarantees to curtail military deployments in Eastern Europe and to bar Ukraine from membership in the alliance, he will be forced to consider a variety of options, including a military response ... ‘We have nowhere to retreat,’ Putin said. ‘They have pushed us to a line that we can't cross. They have taken it to the point where we simply must tell them; Stop!’ When asked about the exact nature of the response he was proposing, Putin said it would ‘depend on what proposals our military experts submit to me’”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ato-rejects-russian-ultimatum/ar-AAS9Q18

Putin appears to be eroding his own image by posturing and threatening, then suggesting he may only intend to retaliate with more posturing and threatening, and he doesn’t have any more significant plans already developed for actual direct confrontation. At this juncture, if Moscow doesn’t strike Ukraine, Putin needs to resign to preserve Russia’s image. Otherwise, going forward, Russia will appear weak and irrelevant, like him. However, one could argue that Putin isn’t a fool, hasn’t initiated the present campaign with the obvious end-game of sabotaging his international image through lack of followthrough, and therefore does intend to attack Ukraine, perhaps following failed negotiations with NATO, and a very public diplomatic impasse. Information prior to the present crisis did after all indicate in-depth post-invasion planning of Ukraine, implying a serious desire to conquer Ukraine.



Russian Defence Ministry: NATO Preparing for Large-Scale High-Intensity Conflict With Moscow
https://sputniknews.com/20211227/na...an-defence-ministry-says-1091840807.html


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Families of U.S. Embassy personnel in Ukraine will begin evacuation on Monday.

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he State Department has ordered families of U.S. Embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday, U.S. officials tell Fox News.

Next week, the State Department is also expected to encourage Americans to begin leaving Ukraine by commercial flights, "while those are still available," one official said.

Moscow has massed tens of thousands of troops at the border with Ukraine, leading to fears of an invasion.

Late Friday night, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine announced the first shipment of ammunition had arrived as directed by President Biden.

U.S. officials say small arms ammunition constitute the bulk of the 200,000 pounds of what the State Department is calling lethal aid – needed by Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines. U.S. officials also tell Fox that Javelin anti-tank missiles are expected to arrive early next week from the Baltic states and from U.S. military stockpiles....


Read the whole thing at the link.

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Just watched a great lecture on the causes of the Ukraine conflict. Spot on. Meishiemer nails it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=QAFIAg%3D%3D


The Ukronazi's are still crucifying Russian speaking Ukrainians and burning them at the stake. DO NOT watch this vid unless you can stomach it, and DO NOT click this link if your device has weak defenses against pop-ups and crap.
https://media.deepgoretube.site/upl...om-Novorossia-in-a-sadistic-video-Up.mp4

Ignoring Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers
August 13, 2014
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/13/ignoring-ukraines-neo-nazi-storm-troopers/

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Everyone is reporting the Russians plan on installing a puppet government in Kiev in advance of any invasion. It looks like their playbook hasn't changed much since they went into Afghanistan forty years ago.

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NEWS FLASH: Kamala Harris is capable of a Deep Thought!"

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Um, we're way ahead of you, Kammy Baby.

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PUTIN RECOGNIZES DONETSK AND LUHANSK IN EASTERN UKRAINE AS INDEPENDENT STATES

The story is still developing, but this could be the pretext for Russia moving into Ukraine.

More here – https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495821790697996289

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495835606328426497?s=20&t=gmhB2K3qPrY7GiFrmw2Oew

Putin Declared Eastern Ukraine as, “Independent”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ge-immediate-russian-military-assistance

Video – Russian “Peackeepers” being bussed into Donbas


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaQUU71tUfK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Putin Orders Russian Troops Into Ukraine Breakaway Regions


https://www.theepochtimes.com/putin-orders-russian-troops-into-eastern-ukraine-breakaway-regions_4292926.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-02-21-4&utm_medium=email&est=G08dTx5Ul30DxO0GCkzTZypCr794kbE9o9%2BouBiiL7XOHVL41cgB%2FMKLibDEuA%3D%3D



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Dangerous days. I really fear for the people of Ukraine and Taiwan. If Vlad gets his way, look for Taiwan to fall, taking with it 90% of world microchip production.


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Putin announced he is sending troops into eastern Ukraine. That sure sounds like an invasion to me.

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War is nigh…or already here? The rift between Russia and Ukraine got more extreme on Monday, as Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was sending Russian troops into eastern Ukraine. While that might sound like an invasion is already starting, onlookers have been cautious about describing it as such.

"Europe edged closer to war on Monday," wrote Yahoo News White House Correspondent Alexander Nazaryan. The Associated Press reported that "a long-feared Russian invasion of Ukraine appeared to be imminent Monday, if not already underway."

The confusion seems to have come from Putin's wording, which did not make clear if the troops were already on their way into separatist regions in Eastern Ukraine or simply about to be and, regardless, described their presence not as an invasion but a "peacekeeping" mission. "The developments came during a spike in skirmishes in the eastern regions that Western powers believe Russia could use as a pretext for an attack," notes the A.P.

Fighting between Ukrainian forces and Russia-backed separatists in Ukraine's Donbas region has been going on since 2014.

"I consider it necessary to take a long-overdue decision: To immediately recognize the independence and sovereignty of Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic," Putin said on Monday.

Putin's "combative address" was "a nearly hourlong recitation of decades worth of historical grievances and an unmistakable challenge by Moscow to the post-Cold War international order dominated by the West," says the Wall Street Journal. "The speech, ostensibly aimed at recognizing the independence of two breakaway statelets that Russia carved from Ukraine in 2014, outlined Mr. Putin's view that Ukraine was a historical accident that the U.S. has turned into a launchpad to attack Russia."

(For a play-by-play of Putin's speech, see this Twitter thread from Dmitri Alperovitch, the Russian-American founder of CrowdStrike and The Alperovitch Institute at Johns Hopkins University.)

The U.S. responds. In response to Putin's Monday announcements, President Joe Biden issued an executive order banning trade and investment between Americans and those in "the so-called Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) or Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) regions."

"This E.O. is distinct from the swift and severe economic measures we are prepared to issue with Allies and partners in response to a further Russian invasion of Ukraine," the White House said in a statement. "The United States will not hesitate to use its authorities to target those supporting efforts to undermine Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

Update: On Tuesday morning, the White House began calling what Russia is doing in Ukraine an invasion. "We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia's latest invasion into Ukraine," Jon Finer, principal deputy national security adviser, said. "An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway."

European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen called Putin's announcement "a blatant violation of international law."

The bigger picture. Washington Post columnist Robert Kagan—a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, prominent hawk, and ardent defender of the U.S.-led postwar order—offers a depressing analysis for what this could mean: first, a full takeover of Ukraine and then a realignment of the international order. "It is wishful thinking to imagine that this conflict stops with Ukraine," Kagan writes:

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The map of Europe has experienced many changes over the centuries. Its current shape reflects the expansion of U.S. power and the collapse of Russian power from the 1980s until now; the next one will likely reflect the revival of Russian military power and the retraction of U.S. influence. If combined with Chinese gains in East Asia and the Western Pacific, it will herald the end of the present order and the beginning of an era of global disorder and conflict as every region in the world shakily adjusts to a new configuration of power.


His predictions are far from assured, but represent a common thread in centrist-hawk concerns.

The Post editorial board also offers a gloomy short-term prognosis:

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This is the way the postwar world ends, and the post-Cold War world, too: not yet with a bang, and not with anything close to a whimper, but with a rant.


The Cato Institute's Alex Nowrasteh points out that European countries are going to see a surge of Ukrainian refugees:

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"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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Even CNN isn't impressed with Biden's response to the invasion.

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CNN anchor and Chief National Security Correspondent Jim Sciutto seemed unimpressed by President Joe Biden’s planned response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s latest moves.

“Is this really it?” Sciutto asked, sharing a statement from White House press secretary Jen Psaki on the Biden administration’s immediate response to Putin, which he reportedly planned to implement on Monday using an executive order.

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Putin just launched a night full scale attack on Ukrainia
- tanks rolling in from north (Belorus), east (rebel held lands), south (occupied Crimea)
- amphibious assault of a key port on Black Sea
- paratroopers landing around Kiev airport to allow troop transports to land

This is so messed up that FJB allowed this to happen! So beyond pissed!


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RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE

President Putin has just said that “he has decided to conduct and begin a Special Operation to protect people from the Genocide from the Kyiv Regime.”

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 24, 2022

Heavy attacks east of #Mariupolpic.twitter.com/hsnjHUUGOw

— marqs (@MarQs__) February 24, 2022

#Ukraine 🇺🇦: latest footage from the front in #Donbass. Sounds of intensified shelling can be heard in the village of Talakivka, east of #Mariupol. pic.twitter.com/7QsuKXJary

— Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge) February 24, 2022

#BREAKING: Putin: “All Ukrainian servicemen who lay down their arms will be able to return to their families”

— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) February 24, 2022

Putin to NATO: We are ready for all outcomes. All decisions have been made

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) February 24, 2022


"The time for war has not yet come, but it will come and that soon, and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Gen. T.J. Jackson, March 1861
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The root of the matter is that Putin sees Ukrainia as Russian land that they should control regardless of the will of the people there. They can pretend to be independent but are supposed to do the bidding of the kremlin, and be a buffer zone for Moscow. Don’t look west or have any notions of being in control or you will regret it.

This feckless dementia ridden piece of crap that is sleeping at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (President FJB) so royally screwed this up (like the Afghan withdrawal) that it makes you wonder if it was his intent!


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There was a time when we would have Green berets over there, training and equipping indigenous forces to conduct a guerrilla war against the aggressors. Jimmy Carter pretty much did away with that idea.

We'll see what happens when Russian ground troops move into Kiev and other major cities. If they meet any resistance at all, it will be there.

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