On caching, I just read on another board about "Operation Gladio" and related plans.

These were plans made by NATO forces for 'stay-behind' groups of soldiers following a Warsaw pact invasion of their countries. The soldiers would organize and lead groups of citizens in attacking the enemy.

It seems that some (most) of these groups were to be supplied from caches that were built and stocked...in some countries, they were then forgot, and discovered during construction years later (how cool would it be to be digging a foundation for your garage and discover a cache with weapons, ammo and supplies for 50 people?)

A similar concept is in Vanderboegh's book "Absolved" where a misdirected from WWII railcar laoded with supplies plays a role.

The concept is probably valid: Problems include collecting the materials in the first place (obviously), packing them securely (the military is REALLY good at that sort of packing), emplacing the cache, and of course, security.

someone touched earlier in the post about dry ice removing the oxygen from the pvc pipe container and then sealing them, what about nitrogen gas (like in the car tires now) could this be used to push out the oxygen from the pvc container before sealing? thoughts?

Sure can. I packaged up a lot of wheat that way - I got a tire chuck valve with a pipe on the end of it hooked up to a tank of nitrogen - fill a bucket, stick the pipe in and give it a 5-10 second burst then close the bucket.

You don't have to displace all the oxygen: Just enough to keep bugs from surviving.

With the oxygen absorber packs, it's a lot easier.

I seen a guy that had taken a section of PVC and glued a cap on the bottom and screw caped the top.

He had drilled two holes in the side. The one toward the top he put a metal tire air valve in it.

The one on the bottom side he put one of those air tank drain water drain valves.

He teflon taped the screw cap.

Once he had it filled it with whatever he wanted he cracked that drain valve, then filled it with argon or other gases once the gas was escaping the drain valve.

He'd shut it and pressurize the container.

He said the higher press helped ensure no moisture inside.

It sounded good to me, but I've not tried it yet.

What do y'all think?

sorry double post

Time to cache all extra weapons....

not you field rifle, but your back up rifles and ammo...

Don't get caught with all your gear in one place.

Use all your caching knowledge, and make sure containers are water tight.

Not telling you to hide....telling you cache everything you don't need right now..

That way if a FED raid catches you off guard... you'll have backup when you are out of their grip.

Make sure all OPSEC papers are stashed.

anything that can bring a pinch.

If you have been posting on other sites things you should have use OPSEC on... then your in the crosshairs, cache everything...

And not behind your house please.

If you need to escape!!!

Don't run, you are probably being watched if your on their list. but plan your late night escape and safe house arrival. you must find a distraction, have friends cause an distraction.

Make sure your unit is on the same page and know your rally point... Hey don't send it over the phone or net. In person to each member with no one else around.

time to go undergound!!! not hide just covert. all ops should be covert now.

An alternative to the sometimes hard to come by, and always distinctive looking ammo can is to use a plain old gallon paint can....it's waterproof, cheap, nondescript (doesn't scream AMMO CAN), etc.

If you want to put some extra protection on it, spraying it with underseal would do.

That's a great idea and very "grey man" too.

remember to include a small 22 rifle or pistol with extra ammo in your cache as well as snare wires.

its also not a bad idea to include one of those survival skills books.