I have to find a copy, but there was a guidebook put out by the Oregon State Police and state Attorney General's office with a lot in it about what what they consider "citizenship". Basically, in their organizational policy opinion, any convicted felon is no longer a "citizen" and therefore forfeits all rights that would be associated with citizenship.

So for them, being "pro-gun" means everything is happy for someone who has the right sponsorship from law enforcement, and everything goes wrong for those who do not. It's pretty simple that way, because the double speak respects the rights of "people" without getting deep into how they define "the people" and "good citizens", or how half they casually will classify all lawbreakers the same, so if you break gun laws, you are a murderer, dope pusher, bank robber and all of the above, heck, child molester too if they can fit it in there. It is cult ideology pure and simple.

Any person believed to be a felon but not convicted, still is a forfeiture of all rights of citizenship. That's how they can say all of the right things, but in their own language doublespeak, single out anyone they want as "not a citizen" and therefore not subject to the respect of any rights whatsoever.

Combine with that any strong concepts of state or local sovereignty, and what you have is the very strong potential for warlordism if SHTF.

The thing to look out for with these people who are going to "say the right things" as they built up local posses is how much intel are you giving away and examine how they have treated others in the past.

Decentralization of political power, even at the local level, is one of the keys to sustainable liberty, without any single faction being in 100% control of everything.

I mention this because the whole "felons are not citizens" thing seems to trace back in Oregon to a nominally pro-gun conservative political family led by John Minnis. Minnis could be described as Oregon's version of Arpaio.

Most of the other political factions respect/fear the Minnis clan, and even the KKK has not done much to set up shop in this state because the "extreme" seem to already be entrenched with him, and have entrenched themselves with the state police and although the "feds" here are technically "feds" they usually are appointed locally and stay local, interchanging jobs between local appointments and federal appointments that keep them in Oregon.


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